windows xp install

Fujitsu Lifebook p1120
February 26, 2010 at 14:28:54
Specs: Windows xp
hi, i have a fujitsu p1120 no cd drive, i bought a usb cd rom but the computer wont see it, when i look at the boot menu and put the usb cd rom on top of the bootable devices like it says on the screen ( the device on top of the list shoul be the bootable device, i noticed that only the hdd and the usb floppy are marked with the + i cant figure how to mark the cd rom with + and maybe thats why the laptop wont see the cd rom, i put a new hdd, any help please.

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#1
February 26, 2010 at 20:16:57
I did some searching and found you have two problems.

1. is with your Fujitsu Lifebook p1120 bios version.

In order to be able to boot from a bootable disk in a USB CD drive ( or a USB flash drive, or a USB External drive), you must be able to select "boot from USB" or similar in the Boot Order or similar settings in your bios Setup. Apparently your model is old enough that the bios does NOT have that feature there to select !

2. is the XP CD cannot recognize USB optical drives early in Setup.

Even if you had a floppy drive (do you ?) , you can download files that make 6 floppies you can start the XP Setup with,

Windows XP Home = http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...

Windows XP PRO = http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...

but at that point in Setup, it cannot recognize USB CD drives (or USB DVD drives - USB optical drives).You get a blue screen and Setup cannot continue !

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Two "hits" about ways around that I found the web....

This will work for sure....

Install Windows XP without floppy or cd drives
5 pages.
http://www.syschat.com/install-wind...

Requires you get and use an adapter to connect your hard drive to a desktop computer, and some software requirements. Download links 1st post below instructions.

The advantage of that is you are running XP's Setup on your own Lifebook p1120 computer.
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See the last post:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/vi...

Solution #2
External floppy drive and external USB drive
You boot your own Lifebook p1120 computer with a floppy that has an operating system on it that loads USB drivers. Then you can use the USB CD drive to install XP.

But - does it work ? - wouldn't you still have the problem the XP CD cannot recognize USB optical drives early in Setup ??

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NOTE that ....

If you install XP on the hard drive when it's on the other computer, then install the hard drive in your own computer, if the hardware (main chipset, I/O chip, etc.) on your Lifebook p1120 is more than a little different from that on the mboard on the other computer, which it probably is, it's common for XP to NOT load Windows all the way ! Typically you see the first bit of Windows graphics, then a black screen, blinking cursor top left, nothing further happens. That could be fixed by you running a Repair installation of Windows from the XP CD, but you cannot boot the XP CD from the USB CD drive !


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#2
February 27, 2010 at 14:18:14
well, so far i was able to make a boot floppy disk and format the hdd, i do have the original 30 gig hdd that came with it, am upgrading to a 60 gig, the cd rom works fine on other laptop, i was told this p1120 model works with specific cd drives to boot, because i have a dvd/rw and works with it, but it wont boot. i also tried installing windows from another laptop, xp pro, home, me, 2000 and none will laod with the p1120. am gonna try the floppy install as soon as i find floppies. i also found the drivers for the cd rom but it 4mb.

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#3
February 27, 2010 at 19:16:17
You're not heeding what I found.

You can't boot from anything connected via USB with the Fujitsu Lifebook p1120's bios version.

I found several references to that, for the Fujitsu Lifebook p1120.

You could boot the system with an operating system floppy that has USB drivers, which will get the USB CD drive working, and you could load the six floppies that load the first part of XP's Setup (that just enables you to start Setup from the CD if you can't boot from the CD), and you could insert the XP CD in the CD drive, but you probably CANNOT continue Setup from that point because Setup cannot recognize USB CD drives at that early stage !!.
I found at least one reference that confirms that, for the Fujitsu Lifebook p1120.

This will work for sure....

Install Windows XP without floppy or cd drives
5 pages.
http://www.syschat.com/install-wind...

Requires you get and use an adapter to connect your hard drive to a desktop computer, and some software requirements. Download links 1st post below instructions.

The advantage of that is you are running XP's Setup on your own Lifebook p1120 computer


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#4
February 27, 2010 at 19:32:50
"i do have the original 30 gig hdd that came with it, am upgrading to a 60 gig...."

If Windows is working fine on the 30gb drive, then the solution to your problem is simple !
Buy an external enclosure for the 60 gb drive (~$30 or less - I recommend a Vantec one) , install the 60gb drive in it, connect it to your computer via USB, get a free program from either hard drive manufacturer's web site that can copy the entire contents of the 30gb drive (e.g. MaxBlast from the Seagate site), install the program on the 30gb drive, copy it's contents to the 60gb drive, swap drives . Done !

"the cd rom works fine on other laptop"

If you mean you can boot from a bootable CD in aUSB CD drive on the other computer, that's not relevant.
Your Lifebook p1120 bios version can't boot from anything connected via USB or from anything bootable in anything connected via USB

"i was told this p1120 model works with specific cd drives to boot, because i have a dvd/rw and works with it, but it wont boot."

Your Lifebook p1120 bios version can't boot from anything connected via USB or from anything bootable in anything connected via USB !

The bios version on the computer I'm typing this on can't boot from anything connected via USB or from anything bootable in anything connected via USB !


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#5
March 8, 2010 at 10:03:53
ok, i tried the floppy install, dont work,gives me blue screen at the last floppy disk, i could just clone the hard drive and forget about it, but i really want a fresh install, i stoped trying for a week and yesterday i was able to install windows 98 and see if i can do something from there and once i can move to windows 2000, am fine, cause i will be able to upgrade to xp, the problem now is that windows 98 dont see usb devices, am gonna copy the entire contents of windows xp and 2000 to the hdd and see if one of them can be installed from the hdd runing them from windows 98,

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#6
March 8, 2010 at 10:08:05
"by the way., the cd rom i bought, it just plain does not work with the p1120 at all, even with the original windows already installed, it does works with other laptos, i will buy another later on and try before i buy."

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#7
March 8, 2010 at 12:48:39
"...i tried the floppy install, dont work,gives me blue screen at the last floppy disk,..."

I told that would probably happen, twice - you have confirmed I was right about that. 2000's and XP's Setup can't recognize any, or at least your model, USB CD drive at that point in Setup.

"...i really want a fresh install,..."

OK, in that case....

See Response 1 starting at
"This will work for sure...."

You will be running Windows Setup on the Lifebook p1120, from the hard drive, and you don't need the Windows CD to be recognized or the USB CD drive to work when you do that procedure.

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""...by the way., the cd rom i bought, it just plain does not work with the p1120 at all, even with the original windows already installed, it does works with other laptos,..." "

If you mean you can't boot the computer from a bootable CD in the USB CD drive on the p1120, for the third time, your p1120's bios version's Boot Order or similar settings CANNOT BE SET TO BOOT FROM ANY USB DEVICE !

If you mean XP doesn't see the USB CD drive in Windows, does XP recognize any USB device ?
If it doesn't recognize any USB device, either the USB controllers are disabled in the bios Setup for the Lifebook p1120 (if there is no setting they're always enabled) , or the USB controllers on the Lifebook p1120 are fried ! !
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" the problem now is that windows 98 dont see usb devices.."

Windows 98 has no built in suppport for recognizing flash drives, but it does have built in support for recognizing USB keyboards and mice.
A USB keyboard should work fine while booting into Windows and in Windows, but you may not be able to get into the biosSetup with it, if Legacy USB or USB Keyboard or similar is not enabled in the bios Setup settings.
For a USB mouse, a cursor should appear on the screen while booting into Windows, but you may not be able to move the cursor until Windows has gotten to the desktop and has loaded generic drivers for it. If you need to Logon while booting, use the Tab key to toggle which thing is active (dots or dashed lines around it, or it's highlighted) , type the password if you used one and press Enter, or just press Enter if you didn't use a password - the USB mouse should be able to move the cursor a short time after the desktop has loaded.

If a USB mouse or keyboard is not recognized in 98, either the USB controllers are disabled in the bios Setup for the Lifebook p1120 (if there is no setting they're always enabled) , or the USB controllers on the Lifebook p1120 are fried ! !

I don't know whether 98 / 98SE has built in support for recognizing USB connected optical drives - if not, you need to install drivers - there are generic USB drivers you can install in 98 or 98SE that might work, that allow for the recognition of flash drives and many other USB devices.
That might get the USB CD drive working in 98, HOWEVER, you would STILL have the problem that 2000's and XP's Setup can't initially recognize any , or at least your model, USB CD drive !!
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Windows 98SE and previous Microsoft operating systems have NO built in support for recognizing flash drives; Windows ME was the first Microsoft operating system that did.

It used to be flash drives came with Windows 98, and/or, more often, 98SE drivers that you could install, but that's no longer the case. You can still download 98SE drivers from a few flash drive manufacturer's web sites, but I've found these drivers to be a better solution.....

If you're not sure whether you have Windows 98 or 98SE, RIGHT click on My Computer - Properties.
Whether it is 98 or 98 Second Edition is shown on the right on the first page you see.

Generic USB Mass Storage drivers.
These allow many USB devices that have no drivers for 98 and 98SE to work in those operating systems.

Win98SE
http://www.technical-assistance.co....

Win98 original, modified from the 98SE version.
http://www.technical-assistance.co....

Both say:

"Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager"

NOTE that I have not had to Un-install previously installed drivers.
If you want to do that, those are listed in Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs.

The 2.x versions support the recognition of many USB devices.
The 3.x versions also support the recognition of USB 2.0 controllers.

NOTE that the 2.x versions have NO Un-install; the 3.x versions DO - in Add/Remove Programs.

After you have installed these drivers, after you have plugged in or installed a USB device that hasn't been plugged in or installed before, you are prompted to have Windows search for drivers - do that, it will find the drivers, and that same USB device is detected automatically when it's plugged in or installed after that.

These drivers work for many devices, but there are some they can't detect.
E.g. Apple never made drivers for their devices for previous to Windows 2000, so an iPod , iPod Shuffle, iPod Nano, etc., cannot be recognized.
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#8
March 8, 2010 at 16:09:49
ok, i know about the bios unable to be set to boot from usb, but what i tried to say is that the cd rom i got does not work with my p1120 but it does with the other laptop, i had a dvd rw drive and it did worked with the p1120 but i sold it, i will get me another usb cd rom rw or so, i just know this kind of cd rom i bought wont work with my p1120, when i plugged it in, the touch screen features stops working and it just does not work, but the original windows xp works fine and see the usb devices fine (except the cd rom i got wich works fineon other laptops, weird i know) i will get another cd rom just to use it for whatever since i know it wont boot from it. i will try the hdd windows install and see what happens.

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#9
March 9, 2010 at 14:29:55
"....the cd rom i got does not work with my p1120 but it does with the other laptop, i had a dvd rw drive and it did worked with the p1120 but i sold it, i will get me another usb cd rom rw or so, i just know this kind of cd rom i bought wont work with my p1120, when i plugged it in, the touch screen features stops working and it just does not work "

If you are not plugging the USB CD drive directly into a USB port built into the p1120, or if you are not using the cable that came with it, if it came with one.....

Any USB optical drive should work fine in Windows XP itself on the p1120, unless you have the rare case that the particular USB CD-rom model is somehow conflicting with the use of the resources for some other device, most likely another USB device. E.g. I have one Logitech "combo" USB / PS/2 mouse that conflictswith some other USB devices, but there's no problem when it's connected as a PS/2device.
Although, in your case, it sounds like that particular USB CD-rom model is somehow conflicting with the use of the resources for the touchscreen. If you had more than one USB device plugged in when you tried that particular USB CD drive model, try connecting the drive by iteself.

USB devices may not work correctly when they're connected to certain USB ports e.g. ports in a hub or on the front of a desktop case. If you have a desktop computer, you may have an IRQ sharing problem you need to fix, or your power supply may be starting to fail.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

Also - if you are using a USB extension cable, some of them have inadequate wiring and will not work properly with some USB devices.
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"i will try the hdd windows install and see what happens."

If you mean the one referred to in Response 1 starting at
"This will work for sure...."

it will work for sure.
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As far as a USB optical drive being recognized by running Setup from the XP CD goes....

I know that only a few USB floppy drive models that were available when XP first came out in 2001 or so are recognized by the CD early in Setup, and that has not changed as far as I know since then, for the newer XP CDs that have SPx updates included. The few newer USB floppy drive models that are recognized probably have the same device ID code detected by Setup as one of those old models.
I don't know if XP's Setup can recognize ANY USB optical drive models, but apparently it doesn't recognize your particular USB CD drive model, for whatever reason.

You can look up which hardware is compatible with XP.

It used to be called the Windows XP Hardware Compatibilty List, or similar, but these days you can look up that info here:

Windows Logo'd Products List

Scroll down to
Designed for Microsoft Windows XP

http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/De...



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#10
March 11, 2010 at 13:14:49
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr., i installed windows 98, then windows me, and was working except win-me cant install devices such touch screen or others, since there are drivers for 2k and xp onlyi tried to install windos 2k the same way i did 98 and me., at reboot says ntldr is missing., i guess i need to get that cd rom fast and see if i can finish this obsess instalation, since windows me sees usb devices, i believe i wont have problem installing windows from there, now i have to start all over again.,!!!! yikes!!!!

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#11
March 11, 2010 at 16:11:24
How many times do I have to tell you !

If you do the following you don't need a CD driver at all !

See Response 1 starting at
"This will work for sure...."

it will work for sure.

Install XP (or 2000) that way, then after Setup has finished, load the drivers listed for your p1120 model on the Fujitsu web site !!


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#12
March 11, 2010 at 21:21:40
OK, I looked at the info again at the link in Response 1 I referred to.

In this case you MUST connect the new hard drive to another computer that has a CD drive (that the other computer / operating system recognizes) - either you must get and use an inexpensive adapter as the guy suggests ( I got one for about $12 Canadian - local computer parts places have it for that or less) and connect it internally to a desktop computer,
or - you could install your drive in an IDE 2.5" external drive enclosure and connect it via USB to any computer (~$25 and up at local computer parts places if you don't have one - I recommend Vantec). You could use the external drive enclosure for your original drive afterwards..

You can do this part either on your computer with it's external floppy drive, or on another computer that has a floppy drive, or use your external floppy drive on another computer......

Boot with a Dos 7.1 bootable floppy (it must have Fdisk, Format, Sys.com, etc. on it), or a Win 98 Startup Disk, or a Win 98SE Startup Disk, or a Win ME Startup Disk.

If you haven't made a Win 98 Startup Disk, or a Win 98SE Startup Disk, or a Win ME Startup Disk, you can make one in an existing Windows installation in Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs - Startup disk .

The guy left out an important step.
You DO NOT use the entire drive's space for the older operating system. You need to install the older operating system on a small partition, at the beginning of the drive, and leave the rest of the drive un-allocated.

Run Fdisk from the floppy.
Delete all existing partitions.
Make a Primary partition, but DO NOT make it the default maximum size. E.g. a 2 gb partition (2,048mb) is more than big enough for 98SE or ME.
Don't bother making another partition.

With the new hard drive connected to a computer with a CD drive the operating system on the computer recognizes ...

Boot with the floppy in the legacy or your external floppy drive again, load CD drive support.

Install Dos 7.1, or run Setup for 98, or 98SE, or ME on the partition.

- Copy the \I386 folder from Win XP (or 2000) cd onto the laptop hard drive
*probably place this directly on the root of the drive to prevent confusion later.

(only for Dos 7.1; it's built into 98, 98SE, ME)
- find and download smartdrv.exe and copy it to the root directory as well (speeds up dos transfers)
(you may find smardrv.exe is already in the Dos 7.1 installation somewhere -
at the C prompt, type: dir /s smartdrv.exe , press Enter)

*IF you cannot find this file, it is also found on win98 boot disks

Transfer the drive back to your p1120.

Boot the hard drive's Dos 7.1 or 98 or 98SE, or ME operating system.

(only if you installed Dos 7.1)
- run smartdrv.exe (type C:\smartdrv.exe , press Enter, at the command prompt)
( or run it from where ever you found it to be)

- run the 16bit Windows XP installer - type C:\I386\winnt.exe , press Enter, in Dos 7.1,
or run C:\I386\winnt.exe in 98 or 98SE or ME

- now let the laptop sit! Even if it appears to stall, it will continue, some older harddrives do not spin very fast and need time to load (5-10min is not an unreasonable wait
*with smartdrv.exe installed, expect MUCH longer without it!

- follow the Windows installer directions!
(Total time, depending on computer speeds: 1-2hrs - though most of this is waiting for Windows XP to install)

XP or 2000's Setup will detect the un-allocated space on the drive, and you can partition it using NTFS and format it, then Setup will continue.

After XP or 2000's Setup has finished, the next time the computer boots you will have the choice of booting the older operating system, or XP or 2000.

Install the p1120 drivers in XP or 2000.
E.g. available from here:
http://driverscollection.com/?H=P11...

You can delete the partition the older operating system is on in Disk Management in XP or 2000, then make it a NTFS or FAT or FAT32 partition to store data on, (recommended for a place to backup up important personal data to)
- or - you can delete the older operating system partition and use a third party program, e.g. Partition Logic, to add the unallocated space to the XP or 2000 partition (you can't do that in XP or 2000 itself).
You can then edit boot.ini in XP or 2000 to eliminate the choice of booting from either of 2 operating systems every time you boot.


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#13
March 16, 2010 at 11:33:14
ok., i got it., its all up and running nicely and faster than before, i know one of u kept telling me to do it this way, but at that time i could not find my xp cd rom, therefore i was trying to get it running with win 2k wich did not worked, its running good and i have set to use it kinda like an ipod touch, no menus, no side bars, except i wish i can get rid of the top menu where the file, edit view options are, that way u will only see the screen with the big icons aligned in rows wich u can just touch once and navigate everywhere just by touching the icons, just like and ipod touch, there are backgrounds in every folder, and a picture in the actual folder to give it a better look instead of just seeing the original folder figure, i will post a video sample on youtube, just to do it. thank u all for your help.

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#14
March 16, 2010 at 14:32:03
Well - we're glad to hear you have FINALLY had success !!

"....i wish i can get rid of the top menu where the file, edit view options...."

If you mean in Internet Explorer, you can get rid of that in IE 8, and possibly in IE 7 but I don't have it loaded on any computer, but NOT in IE 6.

XP comes with IE 6.
IE 6 isn't being properly supported by a lot of web pages anymore, in any case. You'll get some nag messages about your IE version not being new enough.

Install IE 8.
NOTE that I think you must have SP3 updates installed BEFORE you install IE 8. See below.
Start up IE 8 - click on a blank area at the top of the page, click on the check mark beside Menu bar to remove the checkmark - the File, Edit, View, etc. line will go away.
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If your XP CD does not have SP3 updates included.....

See Response 6
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...
starting at
"If your XP CD does not have SP3 updates included, the best time to load them is right after you have installed Windows from scratch...."


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#15
March 16, 2010 at 15:37:09
no. i dont mean the bar when using ie, just the top bar when u r using windows xp, the only bar i use is the scroll bar on the right side, but that 1 only appears when there are many icons that dont fit the screen and u scroll down to see them, if the screen has enough icons/folders to fill the screen or less, that bar doesn't show. also i would like to know if there is a way when windows starts if it can automatically open the main folder where i have all my settings , meaning i need windows to jump the windows desktop screen and open one folder located in the desktop, inside this folder i have all the ipod touch like settings. any ideas..?

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#16
March 16, 2010 at 17:47:01
"i dont mean the bar when using ie, just the top bar when u r using windows xp"

Press F11 - it toggles between a screen with just one line of icons (full screen) / icons with the text menu bars. Same goes for Internet Explorer 6 and up

"....the only bar i use is the scroll bar on the right side, but that 1 only appears when there are many icons that dont fit the screen and u scroll down to see them, if the screen has enough icons/folders to fill the screen or less, that bar doesn't show"

Think about it - you don't need the scroll bar if all the icons all fit on the screen.

"....i would like to know if there is a way when windows starts if it can automatically open the main folder where i have all my settings ,..."

Try -
Control Panel - Folder Options - View - enable Restore previous folder windows at login.

If the folder is open when you Shut Down or Restart Windows, it should appear the next time the desktop loads.


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#17
March 20, 2010 at 12:18:32
ok, by leaving a folder open and restart the pc it does not open it again either way. but its not a big deal, am fine the way it is now, now u can see the results of what i was trying to do., the video is not that great but it will give u a clear idea of my project. thanks to all of u again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F4V...

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#18
March 20, 2010 at 15:39:22
I can't watch current you tube videos in 98SE - they crash both IE 6 SP2 and Netscape 9.0.0.6.

I looked at it on another computer that has XP.

Comments .....

Press F11 to toggle minimizing the amount of stuff at the top of the screen when you're in a window.

It's a touch screen, not a push screen ! You're pressing on it with more force than you need to ! I can see the display screen moving back when you touch (push) it, and move forward when you let go.

Your XP is obviously working well, and your internet connection is obviously quite fast.


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#19
March 29, 2010 at 09:26:29
ok, by pressing f11, the top bar it does dissapear, which is what i wanted, the only thing is it shows up on the next windows startup and have to press f11 again, so i guess am fine how it is now, and also ( It's a touch screen, not a push screen ! ), i know it looks i push hard, but the screen does not respond very well if u use your thumbs like i use it to open folder unless u press slightly hard, i tried doing it softer, but its hard to make it respond well, now., it does respond very well if u sort of pock it with your straight finger, like pointing at the items and basically using your fingernail to activate it, it does respond well like that or using the stylus. it also respond well if u touch the icons and keep it pressed until the folder opens, but takes longer.

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#20
March 29, 2010 at 12:23:44
The problem with searching for how to make full screen being the default like it is when you press F11 is when you search almost all the "hits" are for merely making a window open up to fill the screen, rather than in a smaller window, not like the situation you have with F11.
Even searching using: full screen view make default
or similar mentions using F11 a lot, but not how to make it's full screen view the default.

The only thing I found so far is a registry tweak for Internet Explorer, and it's not foolproof.

"This tweak forces Internet Explorer to open in full screen mode. That said, I've left this tweak here because a number of people have asked for it so they could remember how to uninstall it. While it does work initially, if you change the view while browsing, the second part of the tweak resets to "No" so that opening IE subsequently will launch it in normal view. Rather than using this tweak, I suggest using the F11 key which accomplishes the identical results."

http://www.theeldergeek.com/run_exp...
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If you Fujitsu p1120 came with a stylus, and/or if the screen has a hard surface, then it's fine to use a stylus or your fingernail.
If the Fujitsu p1120 did NOT come a stylus, and/or if the screen has a SOFT surface, then DO NOT use a stylus or your fingernail - you will DAMAGE the screen surface !


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