windows xp end of support pop-up notification

Dell / Latitude d620...
March 6, 2014 at 11:28:30
Specs: Windows XP, Core2Duo
I just got notified of an End of Support Update Windows Auto Update. I sure was hoping M$ was going to extend the support. I guess there is no hope. I am sad :( sadder than when I let 98 go. I did hear I would be safe as long as I use other browsers. My question is. Should I install this update? What does it really do? I feel it's going to bug me to death about the end of support. It's a good thing this laptop will do Windows 7 but only 32 bit.

Laptop Dell Latitude D620 Core2Duo
Windows XP Pro SP3
Desktop HP Pavilion p6533w
AMD Dual Core 3.0
Windows 7 Home Premium
Server Windows XP Pro SP3
3.0 Ghz 3 GB Ram


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#1
March 6, 2014 at 12:56:50
Where is the difference?
You had WinXP 32 bit and can use Win7 32 bit.

The browser only, isn't the the problem.
If WinXP has a security hole, which will never be fixed in the future, it's a matter of time, to get infected or hacked.

And, btw, Win7 is a good OS. With some small tools, it looks like WinXP and on my experience, it more stable than XP.

Windows 8 is not my thing.
It's as it always was. Every good and stable Windows version is followed by a bad version. So while Win7 is a good one, you can guess, what Win8/8.1 is.

Version 9 might again be a good one, hopefully.


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#2
March 6, 2014 at 14:14:44
Actually, it appears Microsoft Tencent will continue to support XP in China. If that's true, updates should become available, just not thru the conventional method. In other words, you will have to search for them, download them, & install them yourself.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2103...

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...

http://www.techinasia.com/tencent-r...

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#3
March 6, 2014 at 17:44:28
There is no difference I really meant most new systems that came with 7 came with 7 64 bit. And yes Windows 7 is as good as XP. It's just personal I guess I know that sounds weird really it's a matter of having to re install everything. And updates downloaded one by one may be better.

Laptop Dell Latitude D620 Core2Duo
Windows XP Pro SP3
Desktop HP Pavilion p6533w
AMD Dual Core 3.0
Windows 7 Home Premium
Server Windows XP Pro SP3
3.0 Ghz 3 GB Ram


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#4
March 7, 2014 at 02:20:55
I don't get it. Microsoft has turned everyone into a bunch of pussies who are now ready to wet their pants because XP support is ending. Guess what, YOUR COMPUTER WILL WORK JUST FINE. Most of the updates are just placebos anyway. Like having an insurance policy in case your house gets hit by a meteor.

(Whoa, must be getting late again.)


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#5
March 7, 2014 at 02:50:28
I also had to install everything from scratch.
It's a one time pain.
After that, I made an image of my new installed windows 7, including the software I installed additionally.

It wasn't my wish, to have to do that, but at the bottom line, you have a new clean system, without the gabage, installed and uninstalled over the years.

Companies do have more pain with that.


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#6
March 7, 2014 at 07:07:03
I am just going to keep using XP and see how it goes. If I do run into problems I will go top Windows 7. The laptop will run 7 fine as good as XP runs or better. I don't think the laptop has ever been reinstalled. I got it off ebay got a good deal Laptop Latitude D620 With docking bay all around $115.00. I thought that was a steal. It had XP and I look at the Date modified on the Windows folder and it's like 2007. Has the Dell Wallpaper and the Dell logo on system properties.

Laptop Dell Latitude D620 Core2Duo
Windows XP Pro SP3
Desktop HP Pavilion p6533w
AMD Dual Core 3.0
Windows 7 Home Premium
Server Windows XP Pro SP3
3.0 Ghz 3 GB Ram


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#7
March 7, 2014 at 12:04:49
[quote]I don't get it. Microsoft has turned everyone into a bunch of pussies who are now ready to wet their pants because XP support is ending. Guess what, YOUR COMPUTER WILL WORK JUST FINE. Most of the updates are just placebos anyway. Like having an insurance policy in case your house gets hit by a meteor ...
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I would very much like that to be true Dave, as I want to stay with XP as well. But what about Microsoft continuing to support XP in China with security updates via IT companies like TenCent, as mentioned by riider?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2103...

Won't the bad guys be monitoring those updates very closely to see where the holes are, so they can exploit anyone who is not protected?

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#8
March 7, 2014 at 12:17:09
If you are keeping XP, see these:

http://www.computing.net/howtos/sho...

http://www.computing.net/howtos/sho...

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#9
March 7, 2014 at 20:23:41
Without any new updates I think you can assume your XP system will always be as secure as it is now. The bad guys have new virgin territory to exploit with windows 7 and 8.

For what it's worth, my XP computers have the sp2 and sp3 updates, IE 7 and then IE 8 and one cumulative security update that was on the same download page as IE 8 AND THAT'S ALL. I run no AV or firewalls. I occasionally run malware scans and once or twice did a system restore but I've never had any serious problems. Understand, my online activity is boring so I'm not likely to find much trouble but still, common sense is the best computer security feature you can have.


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#10
March 8, 2014 at 17:31:58
Thanks for the info DAVEINCAPS. I use Avast (free version) as my av and Comodo (free) as my firewall. From what I've been reading, most av's will continue to support XP long after the MS support has finished and I believe Avast is included in that (although I haven't seen any official word on that from Avast themselves, only what I've been reading in their forum.)

I just downloaded "Drop My Rights" as well (haven't installed it yet though.) Thanks a lot Derek.


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#11
March 8, 2014 at 17:46:07
Avast went on supporting Windows 98 for years. The last time I had a Win98 update was about a year ago (machine in loft now). If they do as well that gives you at least 5 years and my guess is the they might support XP longer as it is a lot more popular than Win98 was at the end of support. XP is a lot more like modern systems too than W98 was compared to Vista onwards - easier on the database programmers.

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#12
March 9, 2014 at 15:32:34
Here is MY two cents. If you store passwords and bank/ stock information on your hard drive you are just asking for trouble, no matter what OS you use.

Once the security updates are no longer available things like online buying, banking & stock market transactions will become riskier.

If you have a home network then the most vulnerable machine can put the rest of the network at risk too.

Practice sensible computing. Clicking on everything offered to you is asking for trouble.

If you don't use the computer as mentioned above, then maintain regular images of your hard drive so if the worst happens you can restore from that image.


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#13
March 11, 2014 at 10:52:52
If you D620, has the broadcom wireless chip, this distro will install it "out of the box"

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08184

larry


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#14
March 11, 2014 at 14:13:17
ChristopherTGarrett

"Should I install this update?"
If you mean the end of support reminder, then you know what it is saying so there is no need to keep the update. It doesn't do anything else. As I always update manually I didn't even download it. I'd read about the notification update that was coming so I saw no need for it.

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#15
March 14, 2014 at 20:36:03
@Derek

The Avast Free 4.8.1368 still works and updates on Windows 95, NT 4.0 and later. It was supposed to be killed off a while ago, but Avast is still releasing updates for it.

This page (http://www.avast.com/en-us/download-update has the manual update for each program: 4.8, 5-8, and 9 (9 is officially known as 2014)

I think it's interesting that all the focus is on XP's risk with zero day exploits, the fact of the matter is that any OS is susceptible to zero day exploits until either the vendor releases a fix or the AV companies do. It's likely all versions of NT from 3.x to 8 are vulnerable, not withstanding UAC.

Of course there will be viruses and malware that can bypass UAC. If a method is foolproof now, it won't be for long. You know how many "genuine" copies of Windows XP and 7 there are in the world that update just fine but the user didn't pay a dime for?

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#16
March 15, 2014 at 09:40:34
"Avast Free 4.8.1368 still works and updates"

Yeah, my wording was a bit off. What I meant to say is that I was still getting Avast updates until I put my Win98 machine away a year ago. Amazing that they are still supporting Win 98, despite threatening to pull the plug way back.

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#17
March 15, 2014 at 11:42:57
@Derek

Yes the updates for 4.8 are still being released. However, I would note that 1) the 100MB+ update files are probably not dial-up friendly (all my machines are on TCP/IP), and 2) installing the latest manual updates can use up to 300MB of RAM, so on older machines, the update will likely take several minutes as the system will be paging to disk or using virtual RAM. Once the update is installed, you'll receive a confirmation (see Picture 3 below) and RAM usage will go back to normal.

I like the low overhead of Avast 4.8, on older machines it only requires a 486 with 32MB RAM. It's the last version for Windows 95 and NT 4.0. It also has none of the dependencies of the later versions, such as service pack prerequisites, which on later machines, SP's simply slow the machine down.

You can review the system requirements and installation visuals here: Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4

http://sdfox7.com


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#18
March 18, 2014 at 17:26:51
I understand what it does now. It harasses you about buying Windows 8. Good job Microsoft! Anyway something I just thought about. The AV programs someone said avast still works on 95. What will happen to MSE if you have XP will I be able to update my MSE if I still use XP and I plan on using XP as long as I can thought about giving this old XP machine to goodwill but not yet. I am refering to the desktop with XP I have 3 desktops one with XP 2 with Windows 7 and a Laptop with XP just can't give up XP yet.

Laptop Dell Latitude D620 Core2Duo
Windows XP Pro SP3
Desktop HP Pavilion p6533w
AMD Dual Core 3.0
Windows 7 Home Premium
Server Windows XP Pro SP3
3.0 Ghz 3 GB Ram

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#19
March 18, 2014 at 17:47:44
MSE database updates will continue until June 2015. After that there is Bitdefender, Avast and so forth.

MS Malicious Software Removal tool (MRT.exe on your system) will also be updated until the same date. Worth running but MalwareBytes is a better option.

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#20
March 19, 2014 at 08:28:06
@Christopher

If we can't count on Microsoft to support XP after April 8, why should we trust them them with Microsoft Security Essentials. I won't.

Microsoft has a vested interest in getting people off XP. If MSE misses something "accidentally" that ends up hosing XP, wouldn't that actually be in the best interest for Microsoft to make extra money if you have to go out and buy a new OS?

No thanks. I'll stick with Avast. And I wouldn't install any new updates that Microsoft releases for XP in the near future. You never know when it might "accidentally" hose your system.

http://sdfox7.com


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#21
March 19, 2014 at 13:25:04
I'm sure MS want you to move to Windows 8 but would stop short of thinking they might deliberately hose your system. Apart from anything else they would have far too much to lose it something like that hit the press (which it surely would).

If folk already have Avast then that's fine but if they are running MSE it should be safe until they withdraw regular updates to its data base. Whether or not Avast is a better option than MSE is of-course a quite different matter.

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#22
March 22, 2014 at 08:29:14
If you think the Target and Neiman Marcus data security breaches were bad, wait until Microsoft stops patching Windows XP on April 8.

http://sdfox7.com


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#23
April 2, 2014 at 17:22:31
I just got an update to MSE. Bad news there is a message telling about end of support for XP M$$$ will no longer support XP.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...

They want you to jump to 8 not even consider 7. I have considered 7 for my Latitude D620

Laptop Dell Latitude D620 Core2Duo
Windows XP Pro SP3
Desktop HP Pavilion p6533w
AMD Dual Core 3.0
Windows 7 Home Premium
Server Windows XP Pro SP3
3.0 Ghz 3 GB Ram


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#24
April 2, 2014 at 18:12:00
I always do manual updates but because you are on auto you downloaded an update to the "MSE program" which adds this new warning. This means the tray icon will remain orange but it will still be active and updated until June 2015 - see my #19.

After that (or whenever you wish) I suggest you remove MSE and get Bitdefender, which is cloud based, light weight and does not intrude. If you read my second "How To" in #8 Bitdefender was mentioned there along with various other things.

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#25
April 17, 2014 at 21:33:45
@Derek

It looks like my suspicions were accurate. Microsoft just hosed a bunch of machines in the UK.

Again, I would highly recommend against using any type of software Microsoft releases at this point that they claim is compatible with Windows XP.

Microsoft Security Essentials Bug Kills XP Boxes

http://sdfox7.com


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#26
April 18, 2014 at 14:54:15
I still tend to run with the last para - that it was just another MS screw up. Who knows though.

Whatever, it does seem a good time to move to Avast, or maybe Bitdefender because, like MSE, it is a very light program. Does well in reviews too (unlike MSE in recent months).

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