problem using xp home disk during sfc

April 17, 2011 at 10:35:30
Specs: Windows XP, 1.80gh amd/athlon, 1gig ram
I have had this problem b/f running sfc, which asks me to insert xp disk, but I only have my original xphome disk that came bundled w/pc. It seems to reject it, saying op system on pc is newer. Well, the only thing 'newer' about it, is the addition of service packs 1, 2, and 3! Everything's legit, purchased, one owner=me. Now I'm afraid to run sfc, tho I recently had to do repari/install of system, and re-install of service packs, So, wd like to check the files. Please advise--is there anything I can load onto pc to solve this problem of getting the message when running sfc and inserting my original op sys disk, that my op system is newer than on disk? Not like I can buy xp/sp3 anymore, even if I wanted to spend the money. Wd appreciate any insight/advice, thanks.

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#1
April 17, 2011 at 12:57:39
You can use anyone's cd if it is a real xp cd to do the sfc.exe deal. One can also sometimes change the path to use a local folder. See microsoft web pages for that.

Many OEM disks are not xp installer disks they are ways to clone over some image.

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#2
April 17, 2011 at 16:33:06
Thanks--unfortunately, all my friends think I'm back in stone age and have Window's 7! I actually have it too, on one of my pc's, but prefer to keep using xp. I'll look into your suggestion concerning changing path to local folder, but of course, that still leaves me having to fine a xp Home/sp3 disk. I do have XP Home on disk, but it's OEM, with no service packs and seems to not work for sfc purposes. If anyone else can think of something I'm missling,let me know, and thanks again!

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#3
April 17, 2011 at 18:36:37
Slipstream your XP disk with SP.3, you could also include all updates since SP.3 in the slipstreaming process so that you come out with a completely up-to-date version of XP with no need to d/l old updates whenever you reinstall. Takes a while but well worth the effort.

Good luck.

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#4
April 18, 2011 at 14:57:31
Actually Wanine is right. I read that wrong. You can use sfc.exe or repair and let it fall back to the original service pack or better still slipstream it up to current and use the new burned disk as source.

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#5
April 19, 2011 at 10:19:38
Thanks--actually I happen to have a slipstream of my xp home with SP3, but only SP3, no updates that have come since. I had a failed attempt to use it for a repair/install due to product key from my original(and legit) xp home disk not working. So I had to use the original xp home cd and manually add in SP's and all updates(about 100) since!! It was a true nightmare. I obviouisly did something wrong in slipstream as far as process to insert Product key, which I never saw. I used nlite to make slipstream as seemed to be most reccommended ap. Everything worked like a dream until Product Key part, so the slipstream seems fine.
So, sorry to be so long, but can I get some use out of my slip stream creation for sfc, or will the fact that it doesn't contain all the updates since SP3 make it unusable for that? Thanks for being patient.

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#6
April 19, 2011 at 10:49:41
Have a look at this

http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc...

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#7
April 19, 2011 at 13:27:05
When you run sfc /scannow, the source must have the same Windows SP1, SP2, or SP3 , or no SP updates, integrated into it as the present Windows installation on the hard drive, otherwise SFC will not accept it as a valid source of files.

E.g.. if your Windows CD does not have SP3 updates integrated into it, SFC will not accept it as a valid source if Windows has had SP3 updates integrated into it

The source probably must be for the same version of Windows as on the Windows installation - Home, or Pro, or Pro 64 bit.

You can make a "slipstreamed" burned Home or Pro or Pro 64 bit CD, preferably a CD-R for best drive compatibilty, that has the SP3 updates integrated into the contents of your original Windows CD,and that will be accepted as a valid source by SFC. Sometimes you will need to click on Retry many times when SFC claims it can't find a file on the CD, especially if the burned CD was not made in the same drive it is being read in, but it will complete eventually.

You can't integrate the SP3 updates into the contents of the OEM XP MCE 2 CD sets, so you can't successfully use SFC /scannow for any XP MCE version if SP3 updates have been installed in Windows.
(You CAN run SFC /scannow successfuly if you un-install the SP3 updates in Add or Remove Programs BEFORE you run it, for MCE 2005, which has SP2 updates built in.)
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"actually I happen to have a slipstream of my xp home with SP3, but only SP3, no updates that have come since."

It's not necessary to have Windows updates that came out after SP3 updates integrated into the source, as far as SFC is concerned.

"I had a failed attempt to use it for a repair/install due to product key from my original(and legit) xp home disk not working"

The original Product Key WILL work with Setup with the slipstreamed CD with SP3 updates integrated into it
- if the slipstreamed CD was made using the contents of the original CD, for the same version of Windows as the Windows installation on the hard drive, Home, Pro, or Pro 64 bit
- OR - for a brand name computer, if the slipstreamed was made using the contents of an original Microsoft OEM CD, for the same version of Windows as the Windows installation on the hard drive, Home, Pro, or Pro 64 bit.
A Microsoft OEM XP CD has "For distribution with a new PC only." printed on it and has the Microsoft holograms.

They will work for installing Windows from scratch with the OEM brand name system Product Key that's on the Microsoft label on the outside of the brand name computer case.
They will work for running a Repair installation of Windows too with the original Product Key, in most but NOT all cases.

If you use an original XP Reinstallation CD that came with another brand name computer model, or a slipstreamed CD made using the contents of one, it cannot be used to install Windiows fromscratch or to run a Repair installation of Windows unless the model you are using it with is the same.

You can't run a Repair installation of Windows unless the Windows CD is the same version as the on the hard drive - Home, Pro, or Pro 64 bit - the second Repair choice in Setup will not appear if they are different.

I found out recently that the Product Key you use for Setup when you do a Repair installation must be one that is accepted by the Windows installation already on the hard drive, not necessarily one that works when you install Windows from scratch - I had a legitimate key for for a volume licensed version of Pro that works fine when you install Windows from scratch, but I had to use a Product Key for a retail version of Pro for Setup to accept it when I used the CD to run a Repair installation of someone else's Pro installation.



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#8
April 21, 2011 at 13:18:46
Thanks, Clive--I have printed your reference out, and will use it if my slipstream cd doesn't work for sfc!

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#9
April 21, 2011 at 13:33:08
Thanks, Tubesandwires--I'll have to reread your very thorough response a few times, but it sounds like it may be worth a try to use my slipstreamed cd, made w/my original xphome oem disk and only with sp3 added in.
There seemed to be a question about service packs being totally cumulative. I only added SP3 to my disk, which didn't end up working even tho I believe I satisfied requirements(stated in your article) and it should have worked. So, when I had to just start over, using my original oem XP Home disk which came w/pc for the repair/install, I put SP 2 plus 3 on a cd and added them in after the repair. Then went online and added in the 94 updates!
It sounds like the only way I'll find out if the slipstream I made w/xp home + only SP3, will work for my sfc, is to try it. I'm leery b/c of all the down time that pc has had, and don't want to do more harm than good. But I do feel, aft all that's happened, it wd be a good time to run sfc--I hate to ask, but what's the worse that can happen? Thanks again to you and all that have replied.

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#10
April 21, 2011 at 15:42:24
I have never integrated updates that came after the SP3 updates into the "slipstreamed" CDs I've made with SP3 dates integrated into them and they have always worked for SFC /scannow with an up to date Windows Home or Pro installation that has SP3 updates and all available Windows updates that apply installed.

I've made the "slipstreamed" CDs with SP3 updates integrated into it them many times, and before there were SP3 updates, the same with SP2 updates integrated into them a few times, because I help other people with their computers and I sometimes make them one for their own systems. I always make them on a CD-R disk for the best drive compatibility - any drive should read a CD-R - other types of burnable disks may not read properly in a drive they were not made in.

The only glitch I've seen is....
"Sometimes you will need to click on Retry many times when SFC claims it can't find a file on the CD, especially if the burned CD was not made in the same drive it is being read in, but it will complete eventually."

So, sometimes you need to sit in front of the screen while SFC /scannow is running and click on Retry many times until it's finished, which usually takes at least a half hour if not more.
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As far as installing Windows from scratch or running a Repair installation of Windows is concerned, when I used a "slipstreamed" CD that has SP3 updates integrated into it, that has been no different than using the original CD - no glitches,
Except for........
"I found out recently that the Product Key you use for Setup when you do a Repair installation must be one that is accepted by the Windows installation already on the hard drive, not necessarily one that works when you install Windows from scratch - I had a legitimate key for for a volume licensed version of Pro that works fine when you install Windows from scratch, but I had to use a Product Key for a retail version of Pro for Setup to accept it when I used the CD to run a Repair installation of someone else's Pro installation."

It would save some time if it did have the additional Windows updates that came out after SP3 updates integrated into it, but I haven't tried that.



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#11
April 22, 2011 at 08:42:14
Ok, thanks Tubesandwires--when I get brave, I will closely monitor, and do the 'retry' as suggested. Knowing I'm using original XPHome, with no service packs at all, is it ok to just have SP3 slipstreamed in, and not any previous SP's?

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#12
April 22, 2011 at 09:16:51
To slipstream. nlite is probably best, but an easier simpler way is with Autostreamer

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/...

http://www.nliteos.com/index.html

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#13
April 22, 2011 at 09:41:29
Thanks, Clive, yes I already did use nlite to slipstream my oem xpHome disk, which has no service packs at all, slipstreamed w/SP3 only. Unfortunately, it didn't work for my repair/install as Product key was not accepted, so I had to use the xpHome orig. disk. Then I added in SP2 + SP3, and all updates, after the repair, manually. (I have seen where some say SP3 is all you need, but others say you need at least SP 1 or 2, plus Sp3, so didn't want to take any chances on that second repair.)
Now, I'm asking if that slipstream w/only SP3 wd work for sfc purposes.

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#14
April 22, 2011 at 10:45:29
When your original XP CD has no SP updates at all, if you want to install SP3 updates in an existing Windows installation that has no SP updates, then you MUST install SP1 or SP2 updates in Windows BEFORE you can install SP3 updates.
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When your original XP CD has no SP updates at all, if you want to make a "slipstreamed" CD, apparently, according to info on many places on the web, you can EITHER....

- do the procedure to integrate SP2 (or SP1) updates into the contents of the original CD, then do the procedure to integrate the SP3 updates into the resulting contents from the first step, then make the "slipstreamed" CD
(that's what I have done - integrated SP2 updates first).

OR - you can just do the procedure to integrate the SP3 updates into the original CD contents, then make the "slipstreamed" CD.

Apparently, either way works fine, the only significant difference is when you don't do that in two steps of integrating the SP updates, a small number of the same file names have older dates, but that causes no problems.
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"Unfortunately, it didn't work for my repair/install as Product key was not accepted, so I had to use the xpHome orig. disk."

I have mentioned the probable reason for that twice, the second time being in the last part of response 10.

That has happened to me only the one time, when I ran the Repair installation procedure on a Windows Pro installation that originally used a different type of Product Key (e.g. there are Retail, Volume licensed, OEM, etc., Product Keys)

I have had NO problems all the other times with using a "slipstreamed" CD that has SP2 or SP3 updates integrated into it when I ran a Repair installation and used the original Product Key, which in all other cases was done on a Windows installation that originally used the same type of Product Key.

My usual situation was both the Product Key used for the existing Windows installation and the original Product Key were the OEM type. The computer was either a brand name computer - most brand name computers use an OEM key type - or the original Windows installation was installed from a regular official Microsoft OEM CD ( has "For distribution with a new PC only." printed on it and the Microsoft holograms) .

All of my "slipstreamed" CDs except the one Pro CD were made from a regular official Microsoft OEM CD that used an OEM Product Key.
Most of them were made from CDs that had no SP updates, a few from CDs that had SP1 updates.


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