PC crashes after using Partition Magic

Biostar group / Nf61s-m2a
August 25, 2010 at 15:28:36
Specs: Microsoft Windows XP Professional, 1.808 GHz / 958 MB
Hello :) so I have created a new partition with partition magic,the computer rebootet finished his work,I've copied the files from C ot the new partition no problem here,but I thing i should mention this.After that I placed the Win boot cd started the install and after it reached the blue screen Windows setup the computer freezed.It didnt show the black signs (For system recovery pres F2;Kernell debugger) it just crashed.Ive rebooted it tried with couple of windows bootable cd-s,still the same.I ve tried to start it in safe mode,last known good configoration,start windows normaly but when I press enter to choose one of the options it freezes again,same happens when I wait 30 seconds.After this Ive put the hard drive on my PC,cleaned it from viruses,I have made format and I have installed the windows on the hard disc on my computer with no problems.But when I conected it with the other PC It didnt find the hard drive.When it goes to NTLDR is missing when i press enter it freezes.When I get the sign Plese insert system disc it crashes some times or it goes to Checking your hardware configoration and freezes then.I placed my RAM on the other PC it got pass those,started to install windows but when it reached karnell debugger or the next one it crashed again.The second time it crashed earlyer.When i change the old ram back it goes to karnell debugger and again a crash,and the same repeats.Ive tried Memtest86 but it crashes too :D When i try to format it with a bootable cd it crashed again.Please if someone can help me I will be realy gratefull :) sory if there are some mistakes with the spelling or gramar im not a native speacer :D

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#1
August 25, 2010 at 20:33:31
I haven't a clue what you are trying to accomplish. Did you try copying Windows from one place to another? What files DID you copy?

Was Windows already installed and working? If so, why are you trying to move things?


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#2
August 26, 2010 at 03:18:13
No man,I started to install a new windows but it only got to Windows startup (the blue screen) the computer crashed,and from then it crashes everywhere exept in the BIOS menuŠ».The windows was installed before this,I moved the things because they wara some pictures,and I have moved them from C: to D: because I wanted to format partition C:

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#3
August 26, 2010 at 04:41:17
Is this computer new to you?

Has it been working right before you did the move and format?

How and when did you format the partition?

Are you installing with a recovery CD or with a full version of Windows?


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#4
August 26, 2010 at 07:19:55
The computer isnt mine,but its not new.Yes the computer worked only the windows started to bug so thats why I went to install a new one.I formated the partition before 2-3 days (the same day I started to try and fix it) I have formated it with the windows cd,Format to NTFS (quick format).The version of the Win is full.Ive tried several diferent Windows CD's.But the computer crashes even without a hard disk.I have installed windows to this computers 2 or 3 times before without a problem.

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#5
August 26, 2010 at 10:38:10
Run a memory check on the RAM as a start. Memtest86+ is good. Get it below.

http://www.memtest.org/


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#6
August 26, 2010 at 14:46:46
I have tried with memtest86 :D the computer freezes again at the 3% of the test :)

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#7
August 26, 2010 at 21:21:20
Then try running it again with only ONE stick at a time. Or first try re-seating all the RAM. Snap each one in and out 4 or 5 times to burnish the contacts.

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#8
August 27, 2010 at 03:24:08
its only got one RAM stick.Ive tried replacing it with the one from my PC and it crashes again :D

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#9
August 27, 2010 at 04:36:10
I have tried with Hiren's boot cd but it freezes again when using it :(

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#10
August 27, 2010 at 08:26:33
Ive tried with Hiren's boot cd.....again a crash,so now I will try a Linux live cd.....

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#11
August 27, 2010 at 08:42:16
Inspect the motherboard for evidence of bulging or leaking capacitors. I would also boot into the BIOS screens, if you can, and check the voltages and temperatures. Out of spec voltages could be a sign of a defective power supply. Your problem sure appears to be hardware related.

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#12
August 27, 2010 at 08:54:19
Yep the BIOS screen is the only place that I can go without having a crash :D so the interesting thin is that everywhere the fan RPM's are at 0 (the cpu fan and the system fan) but the fans are working.The temperatures are normal and the RAM & the Hard disc seems to be fine.....so i think its eather the motherboard or the power supply

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#13
August 27, 2010 at 08:56:16
Without reading the entire thread over tell me if you tried booting to Windows safe mode by tapping F8 at start up?

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#14
August 27, 2010 at 18:46:07
hahah you should read it.It crashes when I chose Run in safe mode or last known good configoration or start windows normaly.When I chose one of those the PC freezes,the same happens when the 30 seconds pass

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#15
August 28, 2010 at 01:37:11
Before you started doing whatever it is you're a-doing...

Is this a self-built system; as in you had originally a blank drive and then installed the OS via a typical XP full (or even an upgrade) CD?

Or is this a manufacturer's build - e.g. HP/Compaq, Dell, Acer etc...?


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#16
August 28, 2010 at 03:28:00
Its a self build system,I have installed windows to this PC several times before.The drive was not blank :)

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#17
August 28, 2010 at 04:10:34
OK - I was wishing to remove possible hidden partitions from the equation...

Sadly PM has a wee history re' XP... Some people find it works just fine; and others not so... PM6x I think was the culprit.. But I have come across odd refernces too to later versions; but by no means as frequent as with earlier version...

Which version are you using?

This link details many known error messages re' PM8x:

http://service1.symantec.com/suppor...

Haven't read them all - so don't know if they apply here or not...

Rereading some of your earlier posts here - note that you say the PC crashes even without a HD installed; that you can only manage to get into bios pages... no further...

Have you incidentally inspected what settings are in the bios?

I'm inclined to think the MoBo is dying a death... They don't always go on for ever... Might be a psu (power supply unit)... but I'm lesincllined there...

If you're happy using a voltmeter and going inside the physical system... check all psu volts are correct? Or failing that borrow (if possible) a good psu and see what happens with that running the system?


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#18
August 28, 2010 at 04:53:03
Now im using the PM8.I cant use a voltmeter but I will ask someone to do it for me.I have been told to use a diferent power supply but Im not sure I can handle that too :D I cant understand your question about the settings in the BIOS.If the mother board is dead the PC will go to the trash :D

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#19
August 28, 2010 at 05:33:48
As per #11, you didn't state what the voltages were in the BIOS.

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#20
August 28, 2010 at 06:01:05
I have a litle work on the working PC so I cant shut it down to check them right now.But in a few houers I will post a reply with the voltages

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#21
August 28, 2010 at 07:40:24
if you know the details of the motherboard (make/model etc.) you can locate information re' voltages various on the web. Generally psu deliver pretty well the same volts out; unless it's a customised one for a given manufacturer?

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#22
August 28, 2010 at 08:39:15
I dont think its a custom one.I will see the model of the board and check it out in the net and then see the system voltages & temperature.I will finish my work in about 15-20 minutes and I will write shortly after :P tnx 4 the suggestions

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#23
August 28, 2010 at 15:11:34
So I've changed the power supply and the pc started to work :) Thank you for your help :) aaammm.....but now the PC doesent find the Hard drive :)

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#24
August 28, 2010 at 17:36:00
Sure you connected a power connector to the hard drive?

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#25
August 28, 2010 at 17:55:43
:D hihih Im absolutely sure.The problem with the hard disc started after I connected it to my PC,formated it and installed a windows to it :) its a SATA maby some drivers are needet ?

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#26
August 28, 2010 at 21:01:30
Well, yeh, if you are installing WinXP to a SATA hard drive you must supply SATA drivers at teh beginning of the installation. If you have a floppy drive you can supply them by floppy when you see teh message to provide SCSI drivers or any third party drivers hit F6.

If you don't have a floppy drive then you need to slipstream the SATA drivers into your WinXP files. Use nLiteOS to do that.

You also need to have at least SP1 on the disk if your hard drive is larger than 127GB and you wish to keep it as one partition.


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#27
August 30, 2010 at 09:08:42
Ive downloaded all now Im waiting for a new PSU and I will try to fix the hdd problem :P

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#28
August 30, 2010 at 09:31:26
This is the thrid psu to go down here in the last month - six weeks or so... Are we being hit by invisible aliens...?

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#29
August 30, 2010 at 10:06:05
trvlr

Folks without problems don't post here so I don't find it unusual to have that number of PSU issues here.

Slasher never did respond to my question about the voltage readings. I am not convinced the PSU is even bad. How does he know?


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#30
August 30, 2010 at 11:35:55
"OtH"

He appeared to say (at least implied) he borrowed one and things started to work again - after a fashion... But who knows (besides - "The Shadow"?)


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#31
August 30, 2010 at 12:18:53
trvlr

I thought you were referring to other posters, not slasher.

Slasher, clarify what you have done with power supplies. Lets go back to the beginning of your problems. Was the computer working fine before you used PM to make another partition?

Then you got NTLDR missing?

I suggest that you download nLiteOS and the SATA controller drivers for your motherboard. Use nLite to slipstream the drivers and then burn the new files to CDR. Perform a repair installation on your WinXP partition.

I doubt you need a new power supply or any other hardware.

While making all those changes did you change any settings in the BIOS?


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#32
August 30, 2010 at 12:28:05
OtH

see "slasher's" post 23.. re' psu and wot 'append then...

I have to agree with you to some extent re' it not being a psu issue... More likely SATA drivers etc.. But who knows...


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#33
August 30, 2010 at 13:34:05
trvlr

Cables may have been unplugged with the old PSU. The computer was working OK before using PM, I don't see haw PM could pooch the PSU.

If WinXP was running on a SATA drive the SATA controller drivers must have been installed. When slasher booted to and tried installing WinXP without supplying the SATA drivers he pooched the existing installation. That assumes it was salvageable before then.

Slasher might have been able to fix the NTLDR issue without trying to re-install. Too late now.

I wonder if the other OSes on the drive are OK. PM may or may not have partitioned correctly. Aren't the parameters for a Linux partition different? No telling what was done. That is why I gave the advice I did.


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#34
August 30, 2010 at 16:46:23
I agree with you totally re' psu.. and likewise is much else too...

No experience with Linux overall - apart from CD/DVD versions...

I and avoided PM after version 3x (I think it was) as I found other ways to do what I wanted; mainly set up dual/multi-boots without using add-in utils... Just think ahead a little about possibilities and leave conditions set/ready for them...

So often difficult to really know what is going on; what has really been done/tired etc... Which is why many questions are often needed to establish the real what/why/how etc... And then often they aren't answered... (as you observed earlier in this post...)


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