nothing will boot my Frontpath ProGear webpad

March 16, 2011 at 15:50:48
Specs: Windows Vista
it recognizes a usb key board and usb floppy but will not take any boot disc i can scare up it just shows remove any disc and hit any key to continue [doesnt work] cant get in. need a totaly different OS. WHAT CAN I INSTALL IN THE HARD DRIVE TO GET IT TO BOOT

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#1
March 16, 2011 at 17:14:01
Is the bios set to boot from CD first?


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#2
March 17, 2011 at 11:06:32
bios set to hd first,floopy first,cd rom first.same junk .nothing gets thru .can put hd on a usb to my other laptop all looks good .have put 98, xp,me and anything else i could think up into it.wont boot to save my[ A] keyboard works floppy works cd rom works all are usb tried dos boot 6 floppys from xp one from 98 one from me
put them on the hd same [S]

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#3
March 17, 2011 at 11:11:18
Slave the HD in another comp & run CHKDSK on it.

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#4
March 17, 2011 at 13:29:47
Apparently your Frontpath Progear may be as old as made in 2002.

If yours is that old the bios may be incapable of booting from USB connected anything ! Older bioses can't do that.

What is your problem with it?

Does it have it's original software on the hard drive ?

Have you EVER had it working ?

If yes, have you dropped it and it didn't work properly after that ?

Do you have the manual for it ?
If you don't, good luck finding one - I didn't.

It probably has a laptop sized 2.5" hard drive.
Laptop hard drives never have a longer warranty than 3 years.

If it was made in 2002, the hard drive would be about 9 years old.

You could connect the hard drive to another computer and test it with hard drive manufacturer's diagnostics.

If the hard drive itself tests okay, there is a method of installing an operating system when you can't load the operating system from a CD and you can't boot from USB connected anything.
E.g.
Install XP from scratch on a netbook - optical drive not built in.
See response 6:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...
.......

Info I did find.....

There is a type of specialized computer tablet that functions as a dedicated Web browser. The Frontpath[TM] ProGear[TM] Web pad is one of these Internet "laptops." Like the PC tablets, the ProGear has a 10.4-inch screen (measured diagonally) that is touch-screen sensitive and that works with a handwriting recognition...


ProGear WebPad Specs
http://www.transmetazone.com/articl...

Full specs
http://www.transmetazone.com/articl...

One USB port (Host to Function)

Linux 2.4x operating system

Optional docking station with extra battery bay for charging and 4 additional USB ports
.......

About frontpath:

frontpath, inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of S3 Incorporated (Nasdaq: Slll). The company designs, develops and markets Information Appliance products and services that deliver personalized communication solutions enabling consumers to live a "connected lifestyle" at home, at work and at play.

frontpath is headquartered at 2841 Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, Calif.

About S3 Incorporated (www.S3.com)
(useless to go there)
......

Linux Laptop & Notebook Installation Guides: SonicBlue/FrontPath
http://tuxmobil.org/sonicblue.html

How to Upgrade, Repair, Disassemble a SonicBlue/FrontPath Laptop or Notebook
http://repair4laptop.org/disassembl...
........

SONICBlue ProGear
A trailblazing information appliance (January 2002 issue)

Detailed article

OS Microsoft Windows 98SE or Mobile Linux 2.4

http://www.pencomputing.com/frames/...
.....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/1...

14th October 2002

Currently, you can get PDF manuals from Sonicblue here
dead link
http://www.sonicblue.com/support/pr...
, and the most useful repository of Progear tips I've found so far has been posted by Prasad Wimalasiri, here.
dead link
http://www.whiningdog.net/forums/vi...

I can't get this one to work - it may be a dead link.
Progear xxxx FAQ
http://www.keyesfamily.org/WebRoot/...



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#5
March 18, 2011 at 16:37:30
tried 3 2.5s all do the same bios is set to default. somtimes cant even get into bios .have three of these and they all work the same. they use to have xp 98 and linux . the bios states
a os as windows 98 on default .the hd's are all good

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#6
March 18, 2011 at 18:56:29
You haven't answered most of our questions, or provided much regarding comments about what we've said.

"the hd's are all good"

How do you know ?
Did you test them with hard drive manufacturer's diagnostics ?


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#7
March 20, 2011 at 13:09:39
stuck them on a ide adapter into my laptop . they all work good . they all came out of my working progear laptops. use to work untill i monkey with them.tried partitioning them .computer ask to shut down to restart make it work.then came the words [remove any disc and push any key] somthing like that.never worked again. same with the other 2.now non will boot.must be a tricky OS like a view sonic laptop .had to go to the company and download 1.5 G of SPECIAL OS to make it work on a dvd USB

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#8
March 20, 2011 at 15:37:10
"they all work good . they all came out of my working progear laptops. use to work untill i monkey with them.tried partitioning them .computer ask to shut down to restart make it work.then came the words [remove any disc and push any key] somthing like that.never worked again. same with the other 2."

If it didn't work the first time, why did you try to do it three times ?

If you deleted the partition(s) the hard drive will not be bootable. It has to have an operating system installed on at least one partition of a type the operating system recognizes - e.g. Win 98SE can't recognize NTFS partitions - you make FAT32, or FAT (max size 2.1gb) partitions - and the partitions must be formatted in a separate step.

As I have already told you, if they were made way back in 2002, the bios probably cannot boot from USB anything.That feature wasn't added to bioses until about 2005 or later.

See the part starting "If the hard drive itself tests okay, there is a method of installing an operating system when you can't load the operating system from a CD and you can't boot from USB connected anything."

You can modify that procedure to install Win98SE (Copy the \Win98 folder to the drive) on the whole drive, or Linux 2.x on the whole drive.
If you want to make multiple partitions on the drive, don't use all of the drive space for the first partition - 1,024mb per GB. In Win 98SE use Fdisk to make the partitions, then Format to format each one of them.
I have no idea what you use in Linux 2.x


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#9
March 21, 2011 at 16:21:52
sounds like you know what your talking about. if i knew your address you would find all of it in your mail box. i installed 98se in one hard drive and ME in another.the laptop recognizes the usb key board and the usb floppy.the one with linux boots up to some sort of NETSCAPE then tells me what i have plugged into the usb even the CD-R and the DVD-R buts thats it will go no farther.like i said my viewsonic laptop had get a special OS from the company to work.my IQ is 32 when i had a good nights sleep and took my vitamins.ill try one at a time with step by step instructions. SEND NOW

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#10
March 22, 2011 at 07:58:52
"if i knew your address you would find all of it in your mail box.'

all of what ?

"i installed 98se in one hard drive and ME in another."

When the hard drive was in the Frontpath Progear, or when it was in another computer ?

Did you run Setup ?

"the laptop recognizes the usb key board and the usb floppy"

As I have said twice, your bios version on the Frontpath Progear may not support booting from USB anything.

"the laptop" refers to what ? The Progear?
If it ain't the Progear then that's not relevant.

"the one with linux boots up to some sort of NETSCAPE then tells me what i have plugged into the usb even the CD-R and the DVD-R buts thats it will go no farther"

Did you install Linux on the hard drive when the hard drive was in the Frontpath Progear, or when it was in another computer ?

I know very little about Linux.
Netscape is an internet browser that must have been built into the Linux operating system.
"it will go no farther"
When can you do and what can't you do ?

There is a big difference between
- the Frontpath Progear won't boot from the hard drive,
and
- it boots from the hard drive but it won't load the operating system itself properly.

If you're seeing something about Netscape it's obviously booting from the hard drive and loading the operating system even if the operating system is not working properly

"my IQ is 32"

Did you make a typo ?

"step by step instructions"

See the last part of response 8.


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#11
March 22, 2011 at 09:58:04
i installed nothing in my usable laptop except to put the systems into the 3 hd's of the pro gear using the ide adapter.wont boot with anything put in the progear laptop hard drives.formated ,partitioned, different sizes of volumes partitions. need one at a time with step by step NUMBER 1 ,STEP NUMBER 2 ,3,4,5,ECT for one hd. do this first,do this second ect [also how to do]

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#12
March 22, 2011 at 12:47:34
All situations boot order.

The Boot Order or similar list in the Progear's bios Setup should be set to
Floppy drive, or similar, if there's one to select.
(It doesn't matter if you list it if the computer doesn't have one. In older bioses, if you do have one, it it must be first because if it's after CD drive or similar a bootable floppy disk in the drive will NOT be recognized as bootable while booting the computer.)
CD drive or similar
Hard drive
Network boot or similar should always be listed after hard drive unless thev computer normally connects to an institutional or business network.

If you can't select removable drive or USB drive in the boot order list, your bios does NOT support booting from anything USB connected.
However it MAY support booting from a bootable floppy in a USB drive floppy drive, ONLY.

"need one at a time with step by step..."

See the last part of response 8.

The link there takes you to more info and then to 3 responses in another link that have step by step instructions.

Modify those instructions for your case....

E.g.

If you want to install 98SE or ME on the drive.....

NOTE that the version of IE included with 98SE and ME no longer works properly on the internet.

Go to:
http://www.oldversion.com/Internet-...

and download IE 6.0, the highest version that works in ME and previous.

Go to:
http://www.oldversion.com/Opera.html

and download version 7.11 ? (the last Opera browser version that was designed to work in ME and previous - newer versions can be installed but you have to do some tweaking)

98SE and ME cannot recognize NTFS hard drive partitions.

If you boot the other computer from a 98SE or ME CD, if all the other hard drive partitions on the computer on any other hard drives connected to the computer are NTFS, the only hard partitions their CDs can see are FAT32 or FAT partitions.
After the CD has loaded it's intial files, at the command propmpt, type Fdisk.
Make sure it's your Progear drive - the info I found said the Progear's original drive is 5.6gb, or ~5340 mb binary size (1,024 mb per gb, whatever size it is. Divide the manufacturer's size by 1.073741824 = it's binary size, which is what Fdisk, Format, and the operating system detects)
press 5 - change current disk drive - to see the sizes of attached drives, if there is more than one.)

NOTE that 98SE's Fdisk version on the CD has bugs that prevent drives or partitions on drives > 64gb binary being see as their full size - when that exceeds 64gb binary Fdisk subtracts 64gb (65,536mb) binary, or mutiples of it, from the detected size.
ME doesn't have that problem.

Delete all existing partitions with Fdisk.

Make at least one partition on the Progear drive.
If you want more than one partition on it (it's wise to have at least two), type in a smaller size for the first partition than the default figure - 1,024mb per gb..
The first partition should be at least, say, 3gb - 3,072mb
If you make only two, the second one only needs to be large enough to copy personal data to you don't want to lose to. E.g. 1gb - 1,024mb

Type Format (drive letter) at the prompt to Format each partition.
If all the other hard drive partitions on the computer on any other hard drives connected to the computer are NTFS, the only hard partitions Format can detect are the ones on the Progear drive, so
Type: Format C: for the first partition, press Enter,
type: Format D: for the second partition, press Enter etc.

When that's done type: Setup , press Enter to install 98SE or ME on the first partition.

Copy the \Win98 folder (or \Win9x from a ME CD) from the Windows CD to the first partition - you do that so you don't need to insert the CD when Windows wants to install something from the CD - point Windows to C:\Win98 (or \Win9x for ME) instead.

Copy at least the IE 6.0 install file onto the C partition.
You could also copy the Opera install file and the Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.1 install file (see below) onto it too.

Remove the drive, install it on the Progear.

Windows should load fine and install generic drivers for the Progear's hardware while loading Windows.

Then you install drivers - main chipset drivers and drivers for anything else that wasn't built into Windows.
E.g. for an Intel main chipset, you can download the laptop main chipset drivers - INF Update Utility - from their web site.

Install at least the IE 6.0 install file.

Go to the Windows Update page on the Microsoft web site and do an Express Search and load all listed updates

The Adobe site auto lists the last version of the Flash and Shockwave players that work in ME and previous.

I recommend you use Adobe Acrobat Reader version 5.1, available here:
http://www.oldversion.com/Acrobat--...

because higher versions load slowly on ME and previous and use up more drive space.


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#13
March 22, 2011 at 17:33:07
one of my progear laptops came with windows 98 .i put windows xp pro onto it with a usb cd-rom [went right in] then decided it took up to much room.instead of cutting a lot of services i tried to partition it then install ME and later take XP out. goofed up and shut that one down,of course i had to try it with the next one .turned out the same. tried every thing .formating with fat 32 ,putting a partition for boot,installing the whole 98 disc ,trying 98 boot disc's could not put it back together again.just says "remove any discs and push any key to continue" the usb keyboard is active but does nothing. with f2 will go to bios on start up set everthing to boot floppy first or removable cd-rom first don't seem to do anything. will try to take a step back and try again. BY THE WAY 32 PROBABLY WAS NOT A TYPO THOUGH IT SEEMS

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#14
March 24, 2011 at 10:51:49
""my IQ is 32""

"Did you make a typo ?"

"BY THE WAY 32 PROBABLY WAS NOT A TYPO ..."

I don't know where you got that number from, but according to this, that's so low that I doubt you would be able to even put together what you've written so far:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell...

Any IQ below 60 or so is very rare.

On the other hand, IQ test scores are not anywhere near accurate in some situations in any case. E.g. They assume yoiu have formal education and are of a certain culture or group of cultures - if that doesn't apply, the IQ number can't be accurate.
.............

"i put windows xp pro onto it with a usb cd-rom [went right in].."

What does went right in mean ?

Were you able to install XP from the CD in the USB drive on the hard drive when the USB drive was connected to the Progear?

If yes, congradulations - then the Progear can boot from a bootable CD in a USB optical drive, and the CD recognozes the USB drive model - that usually doesn't work because the intial files loaded from the XP CD can't recognize most models of USB optical drives unless they were available when XP was first released, circa 2001.

"....decided it took up to much room.instead of cutting a lot of services i tried to partition it then install ME and later take XP out."

What did you use to try to partition it ?
You can't make the partition Windows XP was installed on smaller in XP itself without losing all the data on the partition, but you can use a third party "partition manipulation" program to do that without losing all the data on the partition.
Re-sizing (shrinking) the size of a partition frees up allocated space on the drive, then you create a partition in the un-allocated space using FAT32 so Win 98 or ME can see it, and format it.
Then you boot the computer from a Win 98SE or ME CD (it must he a full install CD, not an Upgrade CD).
If the only partition on the dirive that is FAT32 is the one you're going to install 98SE or ME on is the one you jusy made, then that's all the CD can see. type Setup at the prompt and yopu should have no problem installed 98SE or ME.
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"third party "partition manipulation" program"

E.g. Partition Magic, but it's not free, or the freeware Partition Logic - they support being used in older operating systems as well, or the freeware Easeus Partition Master Home Edition - you may not be able to install it in ME and below - or some free drive preparation prrgrams avalable on hard drive manufacturer's web sites.
..........

If you CANNOT boot the Progear from a bootable CD in a USB drive....
see response 12 !
(Upgrade 98SE and ME CDs are NOT bootable)

If you CAN boot the Progear from a bootable CD in a USB drive....

When you boot the computer from a 98SE or ME CD, if the hard drive does not already have one or more FAT or FAT32 partitions, then see response 12 starting at
"98SE and ME cannot recognize NTFS hard drive partitions.

"remove any discs and push any key to continue" the usb keyboard is active but does nothing.

"the usb keyboard is active but does nothing."

What do you mean when you say that ?

When the bios detects no bootable device and you get that message, it doesn't always work to press a key after you remove the disk.
E.g. on some of my systems, I have to press alt-ctrl-del, or hold the power button in / down until the mboard shuts off, then let go of and press the power button, to attempt to boot the computer again.
On newer systems, e.g. if I have a non bootable floppy inserted, I remove that after I get the message, then press a key, the bios continues with it's boot sequnce rather than rebooting and attempts to boot from other things in the Boot Order list - if it finds a bootable hard drive, it boots from it and the operating sysatem loads.



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