No POST or BIOS video, but fine after Win loads

March 2, 2017 at 13:15:00
Specs: Windows XP
System built 10 yrs ago.....
Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600), CPU = 2.40 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core, MOTHERBOARD = MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD MS-7253 1.00 K9VGM-V Series, BIOS = BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 01/25/2007 l Award(LPC) Flash ROM, DISPLAY ADAPTER = NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE, AUDIO = Creative Sound Blaster Live, MONITOR = Acer AL2216W 22.0"vis....After reading dozens of forums, My problem is similar, but also different. The system has operated almost flawlessly since built. The HDD is a Western Digital 10k rpm drive which normal is, you can hear it working. --- Here is the new problem -- Worked good few days ago, now when you turn it on, 1 normal short bios beep (not heard if you restart)-- If you start either way, the post or bios screen, Windows logo screen, (or if you try to go to safe-mode or boot from boot CD- CD is first boot dev.) there is no video to see and make selections. monitor wakes up but is still dark, After the usual time that it takes to boot, the welcome screen comes on, and windows is visible and operates as good as it ever has.
The clock does keep the correct time and date and USB printer and scanner and USB hub work normal. Audio is good. No changes were made from good start, to bad start, just happened. Thinking about defaulting CMOS but afraid I couldn't get back and see BIOS to set back up. Any suggestions and help greatly appreciated. Thanks

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#1
March 2, 2017 at 13:33:44
Your title is misleading. "NO POST" generally means the computer doesn't boot at all. Your system functions normally other than you're not seeing the boot screens prior to Windows loading. It could be a monitor problem, graphics problem, or BIOS problem. Temporarily remove the video card & connect the monitor to the onboard graphics port & see what happens. You might also wanna consider updating the BIOS; it appears you're still using the original.

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#2
March 2, 2017 at 14:00:50
What happens if you continuously tap the Del key as soon as you turn on the computer? That should take you into the BIOS screens.

Are you sure about the WD hard drive speed?

If you restart the computer by momentarily depressing the start button you are performing a hot reboot. The memory probably hasn't purged itself so the single beep is not heard.

As riider pointed out The computer is obviously posting or you wouldn't be entering Windows.

Try a different monitor or try that monitor on a different system.


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#3
March 2, 2017 at 14:36:04
I get the vague impression that it is not a hardware problem,
and that some setting was changed without you realizing that
it could have this effect. Did you recently run any kind of tweaking
program or even just a diagnostic program? Did you install and
run a new program of any kind? Did you make any adjustment
or change in your monitor or display settings that you considered
to be so minor that you might have forgotten you did it? Did you
make any change in antivirus/antimalware/security software?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#4
March 2, 2017 at 15:41:30
Sorry about the Title.. I am trying to borrow a monitor and VGA cable to try Riider's suggestion. -- Member-Othehill, I have tried Del key, f-8, and boot CD, but no video, monitor awake but dark, I've done the hard reset, as well as cont-alt-del. If I use the Del key at start, it seems that the bios loads, but you can't see it. I figure this as after years of use, the HDD noise normally quietens shortly after booting to BIOS, until you work. I had this HDD put in several years ago and got it from Western Digital where they advertised it at 10k rpm. I just assume it's right. You can hear it read/write when it's active though. WD told me this before purchase. Member-Jeff Root, I didn't install or tweak anything in months. I did have to go to VA out of town and unplugged the working system while gone, got home, plugged it back in, and this problem was there. Thank you gentlemen for responding, will try some of your ideas and re-post any results.

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#5
March 2, 2017 at 18:03:02
So the problem showed up immediately after plugging it
back in and turning it on following an unusual (or unique)
period of being unplugged? That should be enough info
for someone who knows about monitors to identify the
problem. I'm sure it is in the monitor, not the computer,
and it still doesn't look like a hardware failure.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#6
March 2, 2017 at 18:30:55
If you have a user manual for your monitor, or can find it
online, look in it for info about setting the monitor up after
turning it on for the first time.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#7
March 2, 2017 at 18:57:06
Are you using an HDMI cable?

The BIOS doesn't use the operating system to drive the display. So, the resolution while in the POST stages is VGA or SVGA. This is especially true for a 10 year old computer.

So, the Graphics chip/card, has a basic video level AND a better level to display after the operating system is loaded.

Using adapters or OS dependent hardware MAY not allow the basic graphics level to work.

The specs on your motherboard indicate you have an integrated GPU as well as the add in card. Try connecting the monitor to the integrated graphics port on the back of the motherboard and see what happens then.

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#8
March 3, 2017 at 12:01:03
Hello again. Jeff Root -- I did read the manual again and everything seems to be set right. I even reset it to default. OtheHill -- Couldn't find a monitor to borrow, but did get a VGA cable. Took video card out and hooked up VGA to same monitor. At start, the MSI usual logo came up, then the POST-BIOS choice came up, I could get into BIOS and went through the settings, only disabled Quick boot and selected on board graphics then F-10 to save and exit. It did come to windows with a large desktop. Reinstalled driver for VIA graphics, and got smaller icons but ob-longed a little probably from resolution without Nvida card as lower resolutions (1024x7680 still large but shaped right. Monitor seems to work with either port- HDI gets windows but no POST even pressing DEL key, VGA gets all but sometimes hangs at POST requiring a restart to continue. Re-seated all connections, and CMOS bat at 3V. This ones got me..But thinking something with graphics. Wondering should I reset CMOS and BIOS just to try. Maybe something missing... Thanks again.

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#9
March 3, 2017 at 12:34:58
So, to clarify, you managed to see some video at startup by using a VGA cable? You lost me with: "Monitor seems to work with either port- HDI gets windows but no POST even pressing DEL key, VGA gets all but sometimes hangs at POST requiring a restart to continue".

So, you were originally using an HDMI cable?

What is the model of your monitor?

You may have Nvidia update software running and it updated or changed settings on the card. Either that, or the card may be partially dead.

I suggest you do the following while you are using the on board graphics. Go to Windows device manager and see what version of drivers are in place for the GeForce card. There is a link to the last version for XP below. It is version 307.83. If you have something else then update to that version and re-install the GeForce card. Should automatically install. No need to enter the BIOS and disable the on board graphics.

http://www.geforce.com/drivers/resu...



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#10
March 3, 2017 at 12:52:20
OtheHill, and others, Thank you for your attention in this. I was originally using HDI. I Was thinking about this, the HDI recognizes the windows loaded video from Nvida driver and card, but not seeing the raw graphics you mentioned the BIOS commanding. The VGA sees it all, but has a hang up. Beginning to feel towards the HDI input of monitor, or something in connection of HDI cable. Looked up pin arrangement in cable but not sure where raw signal vs. correct signal transmitted. I am going to try your suggestion and let's see what we get. Will update about it soon. Thank you

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#11
March 3, 2017 at 12:54:53
PS- Monitor is an -- Acer Mdl#-AL2216W

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#12
March 3, 2017 at 13:13:23
The native resolution of your monitor is 1680x1050, which is 16:10. 1024x768 is 4:3. Using 4:3 ratio is going to distort the image.

Update the drivers as mentioned above and you should be able to set the monitor at 1680x1050.


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#13
March 3, 2017 at 20:03:41
There is no HDI. The choices are VGA, DVI, or HDMI.

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#14
March 3, 2017 at 22:57:01
Thanks riider for catching my mistake, I meant DVI, Been up over 24 hrs with this and switched cables and insert-remove cards and other hardware so much I'll probably dream about it. OtherHill -- I did as you suggested, had problem installing driver because hardware was missing and screen said it couldn't find the card. I put it back in, installed new driver, shut down took card out, and started with VGA on board video. Pretty much same problem, so I put Nvida back in and resolution very good with VGA but no POST or CD boot screen, however, I figured out when to push DEL watching HDD indicator, and time, and could go to POST & BIOS. Switched to DVI, and same way most start ups. Now, I found a Syst-Restore point about 6 wks old and restored. Still no POST-BIOS screen but can inter listening to HDD as mentioned above. Normal order of screens was MSI logo, POST-BIOS, Win logo, boot into windows. However, the MSI logo returned, still no POST-BIOS screen, but win logo returned, and insted of booting to windows the welcome screen now shows then boot into win. Since POST uses different part of video, then normal video, I just don't know but were making progress. Seems like all is ok except no POST-BIOS screen. Still using same hardware. I do have another monitor and cable in Fl, but I'm in Tn with VA medical, and gonna go get my PC stuff when I get a break. I did back up the system again to another drive while we are this far and still going to figure this out so we may be able to help others. I like this forum and still appreciate any input to try so I can eventually post an answer of problem solved to help others. Thanks to all of you, very much but I'm not gonna quit...and will keep this thread updated.

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#15
March 4, 2017 at 08:00:59
With the power disconnected try disconnecting the power and data cables to the hard drive and the optical drive. Then boot and see what happens. You don't need drives in order to POST.

What should happen is the computer should POST to a message stating it couldn't find a system disk, or something along those lines.

You can change how the system logo displays in the BIOS.

If I understand the present situation you can see video at POST when using onboard graphics but not when using the Geforce card. In both instances you can boot into windows. Is that correct?

Describe exactly what output ports are on your Geforce card. Also, what type, if any additional power connectors are required with that card.


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#16
March 5, 2017 at 18:40:40
Hello friends, We may have figured this odd one out, It's looking more like Jeff Root had the right idea. Here's the update, -- Because of the problem, I left the system booted into windows but turned the monitor power off. When I turned power back on, (have done this in the past with no problems) I had an awake monitor but nothing visable with DVI or VGA, not even POST or Windows now.. I tried restarting several times and still nothing ever, not even windows as before. I read OtheHill's post from friends PC and tried that. Same thing, powers on, comes alive, but still dark with nothing to see. (1) - I finally borrowed a Dell SE198WFP monitor and VGI cable, removed the Nvida card, started, and every thing was fine with on-board video, POST, boot, and Windows. Set resolution to 1280x768 max. Looked good. (2) - Reinstalled Nvida card, hooked up VGA to test with same Dell monitor. upon start got MSI logo with POST screen, Win logo, Welcome, then booted to Win fine. Resolution auto-set to 1440x900. Looked even better. (3) - Unhooked VGA and hooked up DVI. Started, got POST with MSI logo, Win logo, welcome and then Win. Resolution still 1440x900. Booted to CD, worked fine. Shut down, hooked up Acer Mon. Again, nothing. No POST or Windows. Hooked Dell Mon. back up and researched the Acer 2216. These were problematic with power supply capacitors and some Backlight problems for LCD. It looks like I'm gonna be shopping for a new monitor as I don't believe these are worth fixing. -- I Would like to ask the community their opinion about the results above. Thanks. Got this monitor till Friday or I get another. Will keep updated with fixing solution.

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#17
March 6, 2017 at 05:57:46
You should run your monitor at the manufacturers native resolution.

The native resolution of your monitor is 1680x1050, which is 16:10.

I suggest you try doing that to see if you get the same results. 1280x768 is an odd ratio of 5:3. Your Monitor or Graphics card may not support it.


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#18
March 6, 2017 at 11:56:33
With the problem monitor connected, are you able to run the
BIOS setup program and see anything, or does the screen stay
black when you try to do that?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#19
March 6, 2017 at 13:14:41
Hi, The borrowed monitor works fine and everything works. It is a Dell 198 WFP. With the Nvida driving the Dell, DVI, it auto sets the res to 1440x900, which I believe is the native res of this monitor.-- Jeff--My monitor has quit everything, not even windows now. You can see it awake (gets a touch lighter) each time along with the power light turning green from yellow, but still dark. As the screen stays dark, I can hear the HDD working and watching the HDD lght I can tell which phase of starting the PC is in. After windows loads, it quitens up and I let it sit for a while with no changes. Several times I have rebooted and listened to the same and you can see the old monitor change from pitch black, to the "gets a touch lighter" as mentioned above as the system boots. But never anything readable as it is still to dark.

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#20
March 6, 2017 at 14:57:49
Looks like time for a new monitor. I have 2 AOC 23" monitors. Bestbuy is clearing these at $90.

I bought the first one about a year ago. Paid $130 each and just bought the last one about 2 months ago. They are 16:10. Native resolution is 1920x1080, which is what I run them at.

See the link below. Research IPS LED type display too. It is superior in some ways but the best response is about 5ms, which is what these are. IMO that is fast enough but there are 1MS gaming monitors out there. Lots of cash too.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/aoc-23-...


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#21
March 8, 2017 at 16:17:59
I'm going to follow up with the progress when this monitor arrives. I did agree to go with the AOC on sale OtheHill gave the link to at Best Buy, but had to get a rain check. They sold fast. $89.00 for the AOC 23in IPS LED type and $10.00 for Geek Squad protection and /or replacement for 4 years beyond Manuf. warrenty as I understand. Not bad Will let everyone know if that solves the prob..Just waiting...I did finally get only to windows with old mon and just leaving it on. It took 2 days though...

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#22
March 13, 2017 at 17:56:02
Will do a complete problem diag. and answer soon as I verify. This must have been a hot item for backorder.

Good news, Stephen.
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Please note that it may take up to 24 hours for your tracking data to appear on the carrier's website.
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#23
March 13, 2017 at 18:18:24
$80 for a 23" LED LCD monitor is cheap. As I stated I am using one as I type. I paid $130, which is still a good price for that unit,IMO.

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#24
March 17, 2017 at 01:29:27
First I want to thank each one of you for your input and help. -- Any one following this will find that replacing the monitor solved everything. All the test by OtheHill helped me eliminate other software and hardware problems. Jeff Root had the answer to all the test. My old monitor still won't show POST, but will load Windows. Sometimes it may take a couple of reboots to get there though. With this new monitor, I can see everything, including boot CDs. -- I'm going to have to research this to understand it. I don't know why the POST or Boot screens are the only screens that won't show, but Windows looks and works fine. I need to learn how the video works from power on, till Windows loads. Thank you all again.

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#25
March 17, 2017 at 06:22:05
The circuitry in the old monitor is not detecting the VGA signal from the computer correctly. My advice is to put it on the side for a backup but not waste anymore time with it.

Were you using ANY adapters in the Video cable?


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#26
March 17, 2017 at 12:12:04
No adapters. BTW the new one came with a 6 foot HDMI to DVI and a VGA cable as well. I love the new one, it is so much more. The old monitor would show windows in VGA, and DVI. Just no POST in DVI, but would POST in VGA. Still researching the video path between POST and Windows.

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