Solved Networking with Win 7 & XP

November 15, 2011 at 16:07:07
Specs: Windows XP, Pent4/2ghz 1gb
I had a hard time setting this up..but succeeded partially I couldn't ping them and barely share files though. XP could not see my Win 7 net book...this is all under wireless. ..so I tried again with ethernet cables and all went well. ..they see each other and share...I had to disable my router's wireless. First, i am confused why I was successful via cables and not wireless...? Also, does anyone know how I can do the wireless bit, when necessary, without screwing up my configurations that do work? I hate to go through the tedious effort of disengaging the cables and go into the router's setup and enable wireless...is there an easier way?

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#1
November 15, 2011 at 20:56:39
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A wired network adapter - network cable - connection doesn't require any Security settings.

A wireless network connection is more complicated.

A wireless network connection is supposed to use Security settings - an encryption type and a code or a password - because otherwise anyone within range wirelessly can access your computer. Windows XP and above require you to use Security settings by default if you set up your wireless adapter's connection in Windows.
If your wireless network adapter is connecting to your own router wirelessly, if the wireless network adapter is using Security settings, the Security settings for the wireless connection in the router's configuration must be compatible with the wireless network adapter's Security settings.
If you want more than one computer to connect to the same router wirelessly, if the router is using Security settings, the other wireless network adapters must use Security settings compatible with the Security settings for the wireless connection in the router's configuration.

Some wireless network adapters come with a wireless settings utility. Windows XP and up, and maybe 2000, come with a built in Wireless Zero wireless settings program.

It is usually MUCH easier to use the built in Wireless Zero wireless settings program to set up your wireless connection, rather than the wireless settings utility that came with the wireless network adapter, especially when you already have at least one wireless connection to a router that is using Security settings. .
- if you are given the choice of installing the drivers or both the drivers and the wireless setting utility when you install the software for the wireless adapter, DO NOT install the wireless settings utility.

- If the software has already been installed for the wireless adapter,
- if the wireless settings utility is listed separately in Add or Remove Programs in XP, or in Programs and Features in Vista or Windows 7, un-install it.

- if it's not listed there, run: msconfig - click on the Startup tab, disable the line that loads the wireless utility.
In XP, after you restart the computer, you will see a System Configuration window pop up after the desktop screen loads - click on the small blank box to insert a checkmark to prevent it from popping up again.

When you already have an existing wireless connection to the router that is using Security settings, all wireless network adapters that you want to connect to that router must use Security settings compatible with the router's Security settings.

If you don't know them, the router's existing Security settings are easily determined by accessing the router's configuration.
The default URL you use in your internet browser - 192.168.xxx.xxx - to access the router - and the default user name and password you use there to access it's configuration, are in the manual for your specific router.
(Note that if you have a combo router / high speed modem that was provided by your internet service provider, the URL, and/or password, and/or user name may be different than in the generic manual for the same combo router / modem model, Search for support info for the router / modem model on the internet provider's web site in that case.)

You must access the router either by
- using a network cable connection between the computer and the router
- or - by using a computer with a wireless connection that can already connect to the router wirelessly.

Once you know the Security settings the router is using...

With the built in Wireless Zero program, that's easy to set up. After the drivers have been installed for the wireless adapter in Windows, you have it look for available wireless connections, pick the label (SSID) that your router is using, click on Connect. When the connection is labeled Security Enabled, the Wireless Zero program will detect most Security settings automatically - you just provide the encryption code or the password the router is using in it's Security settings. .
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Security alternatives ? You can NOT have a encryption type and code or password and set the router's configuration settings to not let any wireless or wired network adapters access the router unless they have a specific MAC address, but make sure you include the MAC address(es) for your own network adapters in that list, otherwise you will have to re-set the router to default settings (by pressing a hidden switch) to access the router after you have saved settings when you find you can no longer access the router.

The MAC address is a unique code that is usually assigned to only one network related device.
It's called the adapter's Physical Address in 2000, XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

That code can be determined by any network related device that accesses it, and it can't be changed,
except in a router's configuration, the router can broadcast it's own MAC address, or it can clone the MAC address of one wired network adapter it's connected to, or you can type in a MAC address of a wired network adapter it's not connected to that is acceptable to the internet provider.

A wireless router has wired network ports as well in most cases - it has a wired network MAC address, and a wireless network MAC address. Only the wired MAC address can be changed in the router's configuration.

When there is a router between your computer and the internet, no one on the internet can "see" the MAC address of anything connected to your computer - they "see" the MAC address the router is using, and your computer "sees" the URL the router is using - 192.168.xxx.xxx .

You can only connect to the internet from one computer one way at a time - either via a wired network connection, or via a wireless network connection.
To make sure you're connected to the internet the way you want to be.....
- unplug any network cable to the router from the same computer when you want to connect wirelessly
- disable any wireless network adapter's connection in Windows, or turn off the wireless broadcast in the router's configuration, to the same router you're connected to via a network cable if you want a wired connection.
- you may need to restart Windows when you change connection types.

If you're NOT using a wireless N connection on both ends, a wired connection always has a higher max connection speed to the router, if it's a 10/100mbps connection or higher.

If you have the computer close enough to connect to the router via a wired network connection, a wired connection is always more reliable than a wireless connection.


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#2
November 16, 2011 at 02:12:21
Also check that firewall enabled when you choose wireless

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#3
November 16, 2011 at 05:43:30
In XP, after you restart the computer, you will see a System Configuration window pop up after the desktop screen loads - click on the small blank box to insert a checkmark to prevent it from popping up again.>>>

Thanks, I do not see anything in my configuration setup that has to do with networking...but in the future, just what do i look for in such setup? There are a few acronyms that i do not understand and as far as your response to my post, sorry to say, its beyond my scope of understanding networking. If its at all possible, the gist of my post was that at times i want to use wireless, otherwise the net book is not living up to why I bought it in the first place..and how to go about it, without going first to my desktop to enable wireless, and then remove the cable from the net book and etc. I really appreciate the time and effort you had put into your response.


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#4
November 16, 2011 at 08:15:10
"In XP, after you restart the computer, you will see a System Configuration window pop up after the desktop screen loads - click on the small blank box to insert a checkmark to prevent it from popping up again"

That applies only if you have run msconfig, have clicked on the Startup tab, and have disabled a program (or programs) listed there from loading by clicking on the small box with the checkmark at the beginning of the line to remove the checkmark.
If you don't click on the small blank box in that System Configuration window that pops up,to insert a checkmark to prevent it from popping up again, you will see a second System Configuration Window when you have closed the first one that is the same one you see when you run msconfig. You can close that second window, but both windows will appear every time Windows is loaded, until you HAVE clicked on the small blank box on the first Window to insert a checkmark to prevent it from popping up again.

If you search your Windows folder in 2000 or XP for msconfig, it is found.
There is no msconfig program in Vista or Windows 7 when you search that way, but if you type msconfig in the Search box above your Vista or Windows 7 icon bottom left of your main desktop scvreen, msconfig works - iit's embedded into Windows somehow.
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If your wireless adapter is using a wireless settings program that came with it, you can't use Window's built in Wireless Zero wireless settings program. How you use the wireless settings program that came with it varies a great deal. It's usually much easier to un-install that wireless settings program that came with it, or prevent it from being loaded, then you can use Window's built in Wireless Zero wireless settings program.

The drivers for your wireless network adapter must have been installed, that wireless adapter must be enabled (e.g. you can disable it in Device Manager), and at least the wireless broadcast of your own router nust be enabled, in order for the Wireless Zero program to offer you the choice or choices of which wireless connection to connect to. If there are other wireless routers within range of where your computer is that have the wireless broadcast enabled, more than one available wireless connection will be listed. The connections that have Security settings (an encryption type and a code or password) will labeed Security Enavled or similar.
When you have not specified which wireless connection you want to connect to, an icon appears in your taskbar bottom right, if you hold your cursor over it , it shows "view available wireless connections" or similar, and it may pop up a message balloon saying the same thing shortly after the desktop screen has fully loaded when you first load Windows.
That same icon is probably there in the taskbar even when you HAVE specified which wireless connection you wanted to connect to, although it may be hidden and you need to click on the < at the left end of the icons in your taskbar to reveal it.

I have a desktop computer that dual boots XP or Vista, that presently has no wireless adapter, but I have set them up many times, mostly for other people's computers, and I have several wireless routers and wireless G adapters.

For more info about the built in Wireless Zero program and wireless networks in Windows,
- search Window's Help and Support for: wireless
- search the web for: wireless zero.
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In your case you could......

- enable the wireless broadcast in the router's configuration.
You can only connect to the router when the wireless broadcast is off if you use a network cable connection between your computer and the router.
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Choose some Security settings for the wireless connection - an encryption type, shorter (e,g, 64 bit) or longer (e.g. 128 bit) code, have the router generate a random code, which you will be able to read there. In some cases you need to supply a random Password.
Make notes about the encryption type, and the code or password, and the SSID your wireless settings are using .

SAVE settings for the router's configuration.
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- enable the wireless adapter in Windows if it's been disabled

- have the Wireless Zero program look for available wireless connections.
Choose the one that has the SSID (label) for your own router
Provide the code or password used in the router's configuration.
(You may also need to choose an encryption type).

Done !

Windows will automatically load that wireless connection after that, if the wireless adapter is enabled in Windows.


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#5
November 16, 2011 at 11:50:30
That applies only if you have run msconfig, have clicked on the Startup tab, and have disabled a program (or programs) listed there from loading by clicking on the small box with the checkmark at the beginning of the line to remove the checkmark.
If you don't click on the small blank box in that System Configuration window that pops up,to insert a checkmark to prevent it from popping up again, you will see a second System Configuration Window when you have closed the first one that is the same one you see when you run msconfig. You can close that second window, but both windows will appear every time Windows is loaded, until you HAVE clicked on the small blank box on the first Window to insert a checkmark to prevent it from popping up again.>>>

I an familiar with the msconfig in run..i've used it at times in the past...but whatever your saying in the quote above i do not understand. Uncheck what box? Most of them other than 5 are unchecked, and of those five nothing indicates anything about networking...just to try it out...i disabled ALL of them and no second window appeared as you claim. I am using XP SP3.

As far as wireless adapters...if you mean a gadget ..ie ...usb adapter...i am not using any, only what came with my XP pc and Net Book Win 7 .My router is generic bought from CompUSA awhile back and apparently is compatible to both, wire and wireless networking.


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#6
November 16, 2011 at 13:49:18
I'm absolutely sure my info is 100 % correct about msconfig.

You get one or both System Configuration windows AFTER you have made a change in msconfig and have Restarted Windows, unless you enabled ALL the lines seen when you click on the Startup tab.
If you click on the small blank box on the first System Configuration window to insert a checkmark, the second will not appear when you close the first window, and neither System Configuration window will appear when you start or restart the computer after that, unless another change was made in msconfig.

"Most of them other than 5 are unchecked, and of those five nothing indicates anything about networking.."

If you DO have a wireless settings utility that was intended for your wireless adapter, the name of it, whether it is enabled or not, isn't necessarily obviously for wireless settings

I have been able to disable a wireless settings utility in every case where it wasn't listed separately in Add or Remove Programs in XP, or in Programs and Features in Vista or Windows 7.

It's quite possible that a wireless settings utility doesn't make a line there that can be disabled, but I haven't encountered that so far, for the ones that were not listed in Add or Remove Programs, or Programs and Features.
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How do you know whether a wireless settings utility that was intended to be used with your wireless adapter model has been loaded ?

"If your wireless adapter is using a wireless settings program that came with it, you can't use Window's built in Wireless Zero wireless settings program."

You will get an error message.
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wireless adapter in my posts in this topic = wireless network adapter, or wireless networking adapter.
Recent and fairly recent laptops and netbooks virtually all come with both a wired network adapter, usually built into the mboard, and a wireless network adapter, usually on an oddball card that plugs into a slot on the mboard, inside the case.
The network adapter, or any hardware device, isn't a CARD, unless it's on a physical card that plugs into a slot built into the mboard inside the case, that can be removed.

You can get external wired or wireless network adapters for laptops or netbooks, or for desktop computers, or internal network adapter cards for desktop computers, but your netbook doesn't need an external wireless network adapter - it's built in.

"My router is generic bought from CompUSA awhile back and apparently is compatible to both, wire and wireless networking."

That's the usual case - as I said...

"A wireless router has wired network ports as well in most cases - it has a wired network MAC address, and a wireless network MAC address.

Both types are built into it.
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If you need any help regarding the settings in your router's configuration, you need to supply the make and specific model of the router so I can look up it's manual Look for the specfic model on a label on it, and a specfic revision or version it that's there too - tell us what they are.
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If you find you cannot use the Wireless Zero program, you DO have another wireless setting utility (program) running.
If you can't figure out how to disable or un-install that, you need to tell us which specific make and model of netbook you have.

The specific model of a brand name system is often shown on a label on the outside of the case somewhere, or it can often be determined by going to the brand name's web site and loading a program they have available, if Windows is still working, on the subject computer.

If it's a Dell computer...
Go here for how to find the Service tag "number":
http://support.dell.com/support/top...

Tell us what it is.

If it's a HP or Compaq computer.....
Go here:
http://partsurfer.hp.com/search.aspx
Scroll down a bit.
Look for the similar label on the outside of your computer.
Quote the specific model number - that's at the end of the first line.
Quote the Product number - that's on the third line.

If it's a Lenovo computer
Find your specific Product number and tell us what it is:

Finding my product number
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/Fin...


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#7
November 16, 2011 at 15:51:16
If you need any help regarding the settings in your router's configuration, you need to supply the make and specific model of the router so I can look up it's manual Look for the specfic model on a label on it, and a specfic revision or version it that's there too - tell us what they are.>>>

Unfortunately, its a generic router, and the manual has it listed as "CompUSA" Broadband router...the small tag on the back of it , has nothing to speak of..as far as numbers and etc.

I have been able to disable a wireless settings utility in every case where it wasn't listed separately in Add or Remove Programs in XP, or in Programs and Features in Vista or Windows 7. >>>

I do see my Realtec network driver listed in Add/remove only

"If your wireless adapter is using a wireless settings program that came with it, you can't use Window's built in Wireless Zero wireless settings program.">>>

I believe that i was able to use windows wireless Zero settings program without an error...but that is not to say that it worked as it has with my wired settings, it did not.

You can get external wired or wireless network adapters for laptops or netbooks, or for desktop computers, or internal network adapter cards for desktop computers, but your netbook doesn't need an external wireless network adapter - it's built in.>>>

your right, and its also in my desktop integrated MB...no 'cards'' per se.

If you need any help regarding the settings in your router's configuration, you need to supply the make and specific model of the router so I can look up it's manual Look for the specfic model on a label on it, and a specfic revision or version it that's there too - tell us what they are. >>>

I be honest, i don't know much what they have listed in the settings of my router, except for the obvious....i figured to leave well enough alone, as long as its working. Like I said above, its generic and there is no info on revisions and etc. I doubt if you would be able to get any info on it, unless of course, Compusa is willing to help, which i doubt.

If you find you cannot use the Wireless Zero program, you DO have another wireless setting utility (program) running.
If you can't figure out how to disable or un-install that, you need to tell us which specific make and model of netbook you have.>>>

Its the Acer Aspire one 722-BZ454 Net Book and made a year ago.with Win 7 home premium.


Aside, from the above, I believe we are getting off course of my original post, as much as i enjoy this 'chat' and learning a few things...Msconfig is not a big deal for me, I think...If its to go in and just disable a 'network' there, i can do it just as well with Device Manager as you mentioned earlier...or even go into my routers settings, where i did disable the wireless part....I just was curious why all goes well with my setup as long as its wired, and only partially wireless, and how can I quickly, without much inconvenience 'toggle one off, to get to the other, if its possible.



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#8
November 16, 2011 at 19:09:53
"Unfortunately, its a generic router, and the manual has it listed as "CompUSA" Broadband router...the small tag on the back of it , has nothing to speak of..as far as numbers and etc."

Not good enough.
I can't help you with settings in it's configuration unless I have enough info about it to find the manual for it on the web.

When did you buy it ?
CompUSA currently has lots of routers.
Is it just a router, or a combo router / high speed modem ?

Try this in XP - you should get a make and model shown when you do this.

Control Panel ( - Classic View) - Network Connections
On the left select My Network Places

If you don't see the icon for your router at the top of the page
on the left select Show icons for UPnP devices
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"I be honest, i don't know much what they have listed in the settings of my router, except for the obvious....i figured to leave well enough alone, as long as its working. Like I said above, its generic and there is no info on revisions and etc. I doubt if you would be able to get any info on it, unless of course, Compusa is willing to help, which i doubt."

CompUSA sells lots of brands and models of routers, and currently none of them are CompUSA anything. It's not likely they can help.

If you have the manual, there should be sufficient info in that. If you have the CD that came with it, there may be a larger manual on that with more explanation. It's not rocket science.

See my generic instructions at the end of response 4.
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"I do see my Realtec network driver listed in Add/remove only"

You probably have two driver listings for network adapters there - one for the wired one, the other for the wireless one.

That's not the wireless settings utility, although as I said sometimes it isn't listed in any case.
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""If your wireless adapter is using a wireless settings program that came with it, you can't use Window's built in Wireless Zero wireless settings program.""

"I believe that i was able to use windows wireless Zero settings program without an error...but that is not to say that it worked as it has with my wired settings, it did not."

If you got no error messages from the Wireless Zero program, then there is no other wireless settings program loading.

""You can get external wired or wireless network adapters for laptops or netbooks, or for desktop computers, or internal network adapter cards for desktop computers, but your netbook doesn't need an external wireless network adapter - it's built in. ""

"your right, and its also in my desktop integrated MB...no 'cards'' per se."

Most desktop mboards have a wired network adapter built in, but I haven't seen any with a wireless network adapter built in, so far.


""If you find you cannot use the Wireless Zero program, you DO have another wireless setting utility (program) running.
If you can't figure out how to disable or un-install that, you need to tell us which specific make and model of netbook you have.""

"Its the Acer Aspire one 722-BZ454 Net Book and made a year ago.with Win 7 home premium."

There's no such Aspire One model.

Quote these:

Where is the model number located on my notebook or netbook?
http://acer.custhelp.com/app/answer...

Where is the serial number located on my notebook or netbook?
http://acer.custhelp.com/app/answer...

Knowing the serial number allows you / us to look up which specific components your netbook has.


"Aside, from the above, I believe we are getting off course of my original post, as much as i enjoy this 'chat' and learning a few things...Msconfig is not a big deal for me, I think...If its to go in and just disable a 'network' there, i can do it just as well with Device Manager as you mentioned earlier...or even go into my routers settings, where i did disable the wireless part....I just was curious why all goes well with my setup as long as its wired, and only partially wireless, and how can I quickly, without much inconvenience 'toggle one off, to get to the other, if its possible."

I included the info about msconfig in XP because many people don't know it exists, and if they don't they would probably be puzzled by the System Configuration windows popping up.

Your first post included info that indicated to me the wireless settings are a puzzle to you.
The purpose of most of what I posted was intended to help you with that.

For more info about the built in Wireless Zero program and wireless networks in Windows,
- search Window's Help and Support for: wireless
- search the web for: wireless zero.

See the last part of response 4 regarding generic instructions for your router's configuration.

"how can I quickly, without much inconvenience 'toggle one off, to get to the other, if its possible."

The easiest ways are
- disable the network adapter you won't need for the connection type in Device Manager
- or for the wireless connection, unplug the network cable to the router if it's plugged into the router.

You may need to restart Windows when you change connection types.




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#9
November 17, 2011 at 06:21:07
"Unfortunately, its a generic router, and the manual has it listed as "CompUSA" Broadband router...the small tag on the back of it , has nothing to speak of..as far as numbers and etc."

Not good enough.
I can't help you with settings in it's configuration unless I have enough info about it to find the manual for it on the web.>>>

I have both a small manual and the cd, which is merely a duplicate of the manual. I would gladly send you the pfd of the manual, if its allowed, if you want it, and tell me how to do so. ...just a word about it..it does not and i repeat does not show model number ...just what specifically are you asking for in the manual?

When did you buy it ?
CompUSA currently has lots of routers.
Is it just a router, or a combo router / high speed modem ?>>>

5, 6 years ago and no modem i use my cable modem...

Try this in XP - you should get a make and model shown when you do this.

Control Panel ( - Classic View) - Network Connections
On the left select My Network Places
If you don't see the icon for your router at the top of the page
on the left select Show icons for UPnP devices>>>

again, it shows nothing as you would expect from a brand name.

Most desktop mboards have a wired network adapter built in, but I haven't seen any with a wireless network adapter built in, so far. >>>

Perhaps your right, but how come when i had a laptop with this same desktop, i had wireless connection. they both had XP, unlike in this case?


""If you find you cannot use the Wireless Zero program, you DO have another wireless setting utility (program) running.
If you can't figure out how to disable or un-install that, you need to tell us which specific make and model of netbook you have.""

"Its the Acer Aspire one 722-BZ454 Net Book and made a year ago.with Win 7 home premium."

There's no such Aspire One model.>>>

LOL...really? Well i suggest, if you haven't checked Acer website, to check it out it definitely says at the back of my net book Aspire ONE 722.......etc. If you like, i can send you a jpg of that too.

Knowing the serial number allows you / us to look up which specific components your netbook has.>>>

S/N: LUSFT020021251CE7F1601


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#10
November 17, 2011 at 09:51:05
Apparently your router model is too old to have the UPnP feature - older routers, or older combo router / high speed modems, don't have that feature.

E.g.
I have several newer routers and a D-Link wireless router model that's at least 5 years old and they all show an icon and brand and model number. I have older wireless and wired routers, and they don't show that.

(If the icon does show up, you can just click on the icon to access the router rather than having to type 192.168.xxx.xxx in your internet browser.)

There is no way I know of of identifying your router brand and model by using information in Windows if it doesn't have the UPnP feature.

See my generic instructions at the end of response 4 and consult your manual.
You should be able to figure out how to do that.

You could also try searching for generic instructions on the web.
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"S/N: LUSFT020021251CE7F1601"

Information About Your System
bout Your System" target="_blank">http://secure3.tx.acer.com/FindSyst...

I entered that serial number there - this is the result...

Description: AO722-BZ454-US W7HP64SS/C-50/2G/250GB/6L2.2/11.6
Country: US
Warranty Type: SMW-1 yr (Mail In)
Warranty End Date: 6/25/2012

2 gb ram, 250 gb hard drive, 11.6" (diagonal) display
.......

Downloads and Support Documents - Aspire One / AO722
http://support.acer.com/us/en/produ...

LAN Driver (Local Area Network Driver) - Atheros - the wired network adapter

Wireless LAN Driver
- Realtek, or
- Atheros, or
- Broadcom

You said you saw Realtek network something or similar listed in Programs and Features.

Realtek "Drivers" download - 17.8mb

When it's that large, it probably has a wireless settings utility.
I downloaded it
Looked at it's contents in WinZip.

In the file text.file:

"REALTEK PCIE Wireless LAN Utility"

That's the name of the wireless settings utility.

It that's been installed, it's probably listed in your All Programs list somewhere.

However, if you are actually able to use the built in Wireless Zero program without getting error messages, then there is no other wireless settings utility loading in Windows.

Specs
Part Number: AspireOneAO722 Acer Aspire One AO722 Netbook Series
http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/n...

Excerpts:

Processor - AMD C series - C50

Display
11.6" HD 1366 x 768 resolution, high-brightness (200-nit) Acer CineCrystal™ LED-backlit TFT LCD

OR

11.6" SD 1024 x 600 resolution, high-brightness (200-nit) Acer CineCrystal™ LED-backlit TFT LCD

You can find out which one you have here by seeing which resolution it's using.
Control Panel - set View as to Small icons or Large icons - Display - Advanced Settings or similar.
.....

Generic User Guides
http://support.acer.com/us/en/produ...

The main Generic User Guide includes info about Recovery.

If your model does not have a smaller second partition on it that has all the data necessary to re-load the original contents of the large C partition, eRecovery disks are available from the Acer web site for your model, cheaply.

The smaller second partition would show up in Disk Management. It would need to have at least 5 gb of data on it, more likely more, say, ~10 gb.
Control Panel - set View as to Small icons or Large icons.- Administrative Tools - Computer Management - on the left side, Disk Management.


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#11
November 17, 2011 at 12:01:54
You said you saw Realtek network something or similar listed in Programs and Features.>>>

Yes, but that was in my XP desktop.

"REALTEK PCIE Wireless LAN Utility"

That's the name of the wireless settings utility.>>>

It that's been installed, it's probably listed in your All Programs list somewhere

Mine saids Realtek RTL8139/819/810x Family ..... and then it drifts to those dots

If your model does not have a smaller second partition on it that has all the data necessary to re-load the original contents of the large C partition, eRecovery disks are available from the Acer web site for your model, cheaply.>>>

The net book does not show another partition but i do have what they call erecovery default which has my preinstalled OS. Strange, I did a search on my XP for Realtek and nothing shows up, and yet i got that info from the icon in Network Place.and does show up in my add/remove list. I have the box checked in File options to show all hidden files and folders...even unchecked it and still no difference.


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#12
November 17, 2011 at 12:45:31
""You said you saw Realtek network something or similar listed in Programs and Features.>>>""

"Yes, but that was in my XP desktop."

Oops - I can't search the whole topic when I'm editing a post, which I frequently do.

"Mine saids Realtek RTL8139/819/810x Family

That's the wired network adapter

If your desktop computer has a built into the mboard wireless adapter, supply the make and model of the brand name system, or the make and model of the retail mboard if it's a generic system.

Whatever computer....

" However, if you are actually able to use the built in Wireless Zero program without getting error messages, then there is no other wireless settings utility loading in Windows."

"The net book does not show another partition "

If it DOES have one, it probably ONLY shows up in Disk Management, NOT in Computer or Windows Explorer.

"I did a search on my XP for Realtek and nothing shows up, and yet i got that info from the icon in Network Place.and does show up in my add/remove list."

Look in Device Manager - Network Adapters.

That's all for now.

I just got a phone call - my Mother may have broken her ankle.


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#13
November 17, 2011 at 15:50:25
Sorry to hear about your mother's problem...hope its not broken...Yes, i also see the Realtek info in device manager...I just assumed that i had a wireless 'card' in my desktop, cause like i said earlier I was able to wireless between my laptop at that time with XP to my desktop XP..I did notice in my Net book that it shows 2 adapters in device manager...the other one is Broadcom 802.11n ...with Atheros AR8152/8158 PCI-E Fast Ethernet controller (NDIS 6.20 )...i suppose then that Broadcom is the wireless one. Do you think it possible if I could copy the driver from Net book into my desktop? If I don't have a wireless driver in my desktop, as you claim, and i am inclined now to agree, how was it possible for me to have a wireless connection with the laptop XP and this same desktop?

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#14
November 18, 2011 at 07:51:22
Apparently my Ma has three fractures in her ankle bones. It took about 9 hours for the hospital staff to tell me that. She's going to have an operation probably some time today. She was bowling when it happened. She''ll be 85 in December.
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What I said previously was:

"Most desktop mboards have a wired network adapter built in, but I haven't seen any with a wireless network adapter built in, so far. "

On the other hand, I haven't looked specifically for that, and a brand name desktop system certainly could come with a wireless networking adapter on a card in a mboard slot in some cases.

If you provide the make and model of the desktop computer or it's mboard, I could look up what your mboard has or your what brand name system comes with - it might have a wireless networking card in it. .
Tell us the make and model of your brand name system, or if you have a generic desktop system, the make and model of the mboard.

The specific model of a brand name system is often shown on a label on the outside of the case somewhere, or it can often be determined by going to the brand name's web site and loading a program they have available, if Windows is still working, on the subject computer.

If it's a Dell computer...
Go here for how to find the Service tag "number":
http://support.dell.com/support/top...

Tell us what it is.

If it's a HP or Compaq computer.....
Go here:
http://partsurfer.hp.com/search.aspx
Scroll down a bit.
Look for the similar label on the outside of your computer.
Quote the specific model number - that's at the end of the first line.
Quote the Product number - that's on the third line.

If it's a Lenovo computer
Find your specific Product number and tell us what it is:

Finding my product number
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/Fin...

The model, sometimes the make, of a mboard in a generic desktop system is usually printed on the mboard's surface in obvious larger characters, often between the slots.
.....

Okay, so you have the Broadcom wireless adapter in the netbook.

"Whatever computer...."

"" However, if you are actually able to use the built in Wireless Zero program without getting error messages, then there is no other wireless settings utility loading in Windows.""
....

"Do you think it possible if I could copy the driver from Net book into my desktop?"

I've never come across a Broadcom wireless adapter for anything but a laptop or netbook - it's not likely the desktop computer has a Broadcom one, built in or on a card in a mboard slot.

In any case, any particular network adapter brand usually has many different possible networking chips - the drivers must be meant for use with the chip the networking adapter has.

"If I don't have a wireless driver in my desktop, as you claim, and i am inclined now to agree, how was it possible for me to have a wireless connection with the laptop XP and this same desktop?"

You would have had to use the Wireless Zero program, or a third party wireless configuration program, on the desktop computer's Windows installation, to connect wirelessly to the router if it does have a wireless networking adapter.

If you don't have a wireless networking adapter on the desktop computer, you certainly could have had it connected to the router via a network cable and had the netbook connecting to the same router wirelessly, and both computers would have been able to access the router and the internet.

Any individual computer can only connect to the internet via the router one way at a time - via a wired or a wireless network connection - but more than one computer can connect to the internet via the wireless router either way, when the wireless broadcast is enabled in the router's configuration.



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#15
November 18, 2011 at 09:59:43
Whoa!! Its a shame at that age...she is two years older than me...gotta watch out for hips and etc...hoping for the best for your mother.

My desktop is an ABS computer and terrific company..it came with an ASUS MB P4P800S

If you don't have a wireless networking adapter on the desktop computer, you certainly could have had it connected to the router via a network cable and had the netbook connecting to the same router wirelessly, and both computers would have been able to access the router and the internet. >>>

No, i only had the cable coming from router to my desktop...nothing from my Laptop.

My MB ASUS manual shows that it has a WI-FI slot and supports ASUS WIFI-b and the 802.11g wireless add on cards...which did not come with it. I bought the desktop in 2004


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#16
November 18, 2011 at 11:26:34
My Ma has lost over 4 inches in height. She has had bone density scans done a few times, and she has taken calcium supplements for years. Her bone density is stable or improving.

I turned 60 in August. I've lost over an inch in height from my peak of 6' 2 1/4".
I've never had a bone density scan done, but it's not likely I (a male) have osteoporosis at my age.
I DO have back and joint problems. Regularly taking glucosamine, condroitin, and msm nutritional supplements relieves virtually all of my joint ache and pain problems, but my back is another matter, although I'm not getting pain from it at present. Those are all substances your body produces naturally that it's often the case not enough of them are produced when you're older.
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The computer I'm typing these posts on has a newer Asus mboard than yours. I have another system that has an older than yours or about the same age Asus mboard, and one Asus mboard first released between those two mboards that is newer than yours that is not installed in a system that was only used for a few days. I have installed several new Asus mboards for other people in their systems. They've all been reliable mboards.

"ASUS MB P4P800S"

Four possible model series
http://support.asus.com/Download/Mo...

None of them have a wireless networking adapter built into the mboard.

Your ABS system must have come with a wireless networking adapter on a card installed in a mboard slot (or if not, someone installed one later).

If you supply your ABS system model name or "number", I may be able to determine which wireless networking card you have.

The specific model of a brand name system is often shown on a label on the outside of the case somewhere.

E.g. Your model may be one of the models listed in the drop down list here:

Download Desktop Drivers Here
http://www.abs.com/Drivers/Desktop_...


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#17
November 18, 2011 at 16:05:05

Your ABS system must have come with a wireless networking adapter on a card installed in a mboard slot (or if not, someone installed one later). >>>
There is none showing in the only slot reserved for it. The manual says i would have to buy it...its a WIFI-b for the slot and it cannot be used the same time with PC1 5 slot


E.g. Your model may be one of the models listed in the drop down list here:

Download Desktop Drivers Here
>" target="_blank">http://www.abs.com/Drivers/Desktop_...

I remember it was one of the Awesome group and either its the 3300 or 3500, leaning more to the latter. Manual and computer desktop and even the package slip ( i still have it ) don't mention the actual Model number. But as far as updating drivers i have no way of knowing what they are offering as update would even improve my system..i am satisfied anyway.


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#18
November 18, 2011 at 20:23:38
You may have noticed this link on your response 17 doesn't work:

Download Desktop Drivers Here
>" target="_blank">http://www.abs.com/Drivers/Desktop_...

NOTE that this site uses software that automatically shortens links that are longer than a certain length to save visual space in the posts - the shortened link has 3 dots at the end of the line and is a link to the actual full length link.
When you copy the text in posts on this site, the highlighted links included in them that have 3 dots at the end will NOT work in the copy, and the shortened links are incomplete!
To fix that in the copy, RIGHT click on each highlighted link that has three dots on the right in the posts on this site that you copied, and (in IE) choose Copy shortcut, place the cursor where the shortened link is in the copy, and RIGHT click and Paste that full length link into your copy - you might as well delete the useless shortened link in the copy at the same time.
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Awesome 3300 has a Gigabyte mboard

Awesome 3500 has the Asus P4P800s

For all the 4 possible P4P800s models
- there are no wireless network adapter (wireless LAN) drivers listed on the Asus web site
- there is no mention of a wireless network adapter in the specfications.
Therefore it's NOT built into the mboard !

"There is none showing in the only slot reserved for it. The manual says i would have to buy it...its a WIFI-b for the slot and it cannot be used the same time with PC1 5 slot"

I see what you mean in the manual for P4P800s
page 28 of the pdf

A wireless networking adapter for a desktop computer is usually either on a PCI card, or it's on a USB adapter - your mboard has 5 PCI slots. On a desktop computer, the card would probably have an oddball connector you attach an antenna to, like the one on the bracket for the proprietary card you don't have that there is a picuture of in the manual.

Look in Device Manager - Network adapters on the desktop computer.

Is there more than one network adapter listed ?

If yes, what do the lines say ?
..........

"But as far as updating drivers i have no way of knowing what they are offering as update would even improve my system..i am satisfied anyway."

I referred to that page because that's the ONLY place on the ABS web site that lists the system model names, not because I wanted you to use the drivers there !

They don't list any network adapter drivers at all for your ABS model except for an AOpen dial-up modem, and the link for that no longer works. .


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#19
November 19, 2011 at 05:36:12
A wireless networking adapter for a desktop computer is usually either on a PCI card, or it's on a USB adapter - your mboard has 5 PCI slots. On a desktop computer, the card would probably have an oddball connector you attach an antenna to, like the one on the bracket for the proprietary card you don't have that there is a picuture of in the manual. >>>

exactly as the manual shows it...BTW, reading the above, it reminded me that i do have a usb wireless adapter that i had used on my previous laptop. it worked just fine for both machines, they had XP...but forgot about it since i bought the net book and its not working for Win 7....Trendnet said it has no win 7 drivers for it...do you think it might work if i put it into the ABS desktop that still has XP? Don't forget though, the net book is win 7.

I don't use IE browser, and i tried in Firefox the link you mentioned and it doesn't work in it..."page not found"...no big deal ..


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#20
November 19, 2011 at 07:02:01
Please answer this...

" Look in Device Manager - Network adapters on the desktop computer.

Is there more than one network adapter listed ?

If yes, what do the lines say ?"

E.g. RIGHT click on My Computer - Properties - Hardware - Device Manager.
........

".... i do have a usb wireless adapter that i had used on my previous laptop. it worked just fine for both machines, they had XP...but forgot about it since i bought the net book and its not working for Win 7....Trendnet said it has no win 7 drivers for it...do you think it might work if i put it into the ABS desktop that still has XP? "

Yes, it would work with the ABS desktop computer.
If Vista drivers are available for it, those drivers will probably work fine with Windows 7.Windows 7 has many things that are the same as they are in Vista.
.
"I don't use IE browser, and i tried in Firefox the link you mentioned and it doesn't work in it..."page not found"...no big deal .."

As I told you in response 18, if you copy a blue highlighted link that has the three dots at the end of it in posts on this web site, it won't work - it works fine in response 16 - it doesn't work in response 17 and 18 because they are copies of the displayed link in response 16.


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#21
November 19, 2011 at 10:52:03
Look in Device Manager - Network adapters on the desktop computer.

Is there more than one network adapter listed ?>>>

NO, it only shows the one ethernet adapter "Realtec" ...Win 7 shows 2 Atheros and Broadcom. The Trendnet says its good for 98se, ME,2000, and XP...nothing about Vista....I called Trendnet about Win 7...never thought of asking about Vista...and they said they have no update driver for Win 7...Again, would the desktop with this adapter work with my Net book wirelessly, regardless? If so, maybe i have to see if they have an update driver for this item for Vista.


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#22
November 19, 2011 at 12:06:56
Well, I just went to Trendnet and downloaded the only updated driver version for my unit and it doe not include vista. Trendnet told me that it still should work wirelessly win the Win 7 netbook. I installed the driver and it does show up in DM..working properly. The light on the adapter does light up, but unlike in the past its not blinking. It should be blinking ...i did see others nearby and my next door neighbor as i had before, but i do not see my net book.

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#23
November 19, 2011 at 13:27:20
""Is there more than one network adapter listed ?>>>""

"NO, it only shows the one ethernet adapter "Realtec"

Realtek - that's what I thought it would say, that's the wired network adapter, or that and a listing for an optional AOpen dial-up adapter (56 kbps) card.
You DO NOT have a wireless networking adapter on the Awesome 3500 ABS computer at present, at least not one that's being recognized by Windows.

"...Win 7 shows 2 Atheros and Broadcom."

I already knew that from your previous info and from what I looked up for the model, for the netbook - the Broadcom one is the wireless network adapter.

"Again, would the desktop with this (Trendnet) adapter work with my Net book wirelessly, regardless? If so, maybe i have to see if they have an update driver for this item for Vista."

The Trendnet USB adapter won't work with the netbook, unless Windows 7 has built in drivers for it which is unlikely, unless you install Windows 7 drivers for it.

You normally would want the wireless adapter for the desktop to work with the router, not the netbook, although you can probably set it up so it just connects wirelessly to the netbook's wireless adapter, but then neither wireless adapter would connect to the router wirelessly. Wireless networking adapters can use either Infrastructure mode (works with a router) or Ad Hoc mode (works with other wireless adapters) - both ends of the wireless connection must use the same mode.

There are only so many wireless networking chips. If you tell me the exact model of the Trendnet USB wireless adapter, if I can determine which wireless networking chip model it uses, there's a good possibility some other source, such as the maker of the chip, has the drivers for Windows 7 for that chip model.

But - you don't need a USB wireless adapter with the netbook - you've got the Broadcom one built in.
XP drivers are available for the Trendnet USB adapter for the ABS desktop computer and it's XP operating system. If they've already been installed properly on the ABS computer, The Trendnet's listing will appear under Device Manager - Network adapters when you plug it in.


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#24
November 19, 2011 at 15:53:27
Trendnet.com the adapter is TEW-424UB v2

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#25
November 20, 2011 at 09:08:46
The short answer -

If the Windows 7 version is 32 bit on the netbook - Windows® 7 Starter - the Windows 7 Compatibility Center says the drivers for TEW-424UB are built into Windows 7 and will automatically load.

However, there are at least two different wireless chips used on the various versions of TEW-424UB. The Windows 7 drivers may not work with all versions of the TEW-424UB model.
...

If the Windows 7 version is 64 bit on the netbook, the Windows 7 Compatibility Center says there are no Windows 7 drivers available for TEW-424UB and they're not built into Windows 7.
......................................................................................................................

The Aspire One AO722 Netbook Series Specs say your system can have one of these three versions of Windows 7:

Operating System
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
(or) Genuine Windows® 7 Home Basic 64-bit
(or) Genuine Windows® 7 Starter

If you're not sure which Windows 7 version it has...

On the netbook, click on the Windows 7 icon bottom left of the main desktop screen, type this in the Search box: msinfo32 , press Enter.
On the right side of the first screen you see in System Information which version you have of Windows 7 is shown.
...

"TEW-424UB v2"

There are more than two versions of TEW-424UB.

Browse "TEW-424UB" Questions
http://www.trendnet.com/support/kb/...

Downloads
TEW-424UB (Version V2)
http://www.trendnet.com/downloads/l...

Data sheet - doesn't specify which wireless networking chip it has

FAQs - includes how to set the Trendnet wireless settings utility so you can use Window's Wireless Zero program.

User's Guide - good info but doesn't specify which wireless networking chip it has.
........

Wireless Adapter Chipset Directory
http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_...

Searched the page (in IE 8 - Edit - Find on Page) for: TEW-424UB

TEW-424UB v1 - chipset - Zidas

TEW-424UB v2 - chipset - SiS

Sis Download center
http://w3.sis.com/download/agreemen...

Set to Windows 7 - no Network Drivers

Set to Vista Basic / Premium
Network Driver
SiSi63U WLAN controller
Go

784kb download - probably the drivers only.
........

Windows 7 Compatibility Center
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/co...

Set to Hardware - TEW-424UB - Search

Trendware TEW-424UB 54Mbps Wireless Network Adapter
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/co...

(Windows 7) 32 bit - This product installs automatically without extra software.

However, as I found above, there are at least two different wireless chips used on the various versions of TEW-424UB. The Windows 7 drivers may not work with all versions of the TEW-424UB model.


(Windows 7) 64 bit - Not Compatible (no drivers available)


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#26
November 20, 2011 at 10:56:32
HI, I do have the 64 bit ( highly recommended ) and the Home Premium version...so I can see why the adapter won't work as you say. The question arises, do i need the 64 bit version or 32 and should i pick 32 version just for networking?

TEW-424UB v2 - chipset - SiS

Sis Download center
http://w3.sis.com/download/agreemen...

Set to Windows 7 - no Network Drivers

Set to Vista Basic / Premium
Network Driver
SiSi63U WLAN controller
Go

784kb download - probably the drivers only.>>>>

I did download that version yesterday and have been tweaking both my systems. I now show 2 adapters for each computer..one wired and the other wireless. I disabled in both, the wired adapter...and am able to have wireless...but its not the full wireless view...ie i could only see my desktop from my net book, but not reverse. My Trendnet adapter is installed in my XP desktop which should make it compatible as far as that ...but the light on my usb adapter does not flick on and off as it should, or as it has in the past with my older laptop...so its not working the way it should. Trendnet said that i should set it up to my router...which leaves me in a bind...i do not how enter any wpa security key that it keeps asking for. All I see as far as that is concerned in my setup of the router, that it shows asterisks only. I certainly am appreciating the efforts you are putting into this...I couldn't ask for anything more from anyone.


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#27
November 20, 2011 at 12:09:31
By the way, my Ma got her operation to fix her broken ankle problem this morning. They've said they're going to attach two metal plates, one on either side, using screws because she has osteoporosis there.
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You can't use the 32 bit version of the drivers for the TEW-424UB in any 64 bit version of Windows.
However, sometimes both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of the drivers are included in driver downloads. E.g. I don't know if that applies for the SiS download for SiSi63U for Vista - it's so small it's probably 32 bit drivers only.

I don't know if your TEW-424UB has the SiSi63U WLAN controller or not - that's the only one listed for Vista.

You DO NOT need to use the TEW-424UB with the netbook or install drivers for it on the netbook - it has the built in Broadcom wireless network adapter.

As far as using the TEW-424UB with the ABS computer is concerned......

- see my info in response 1
- it's much easier to use the built in Windows Wireless Zero program rather than the one that came with the TEW-424UB adapter.
- when you install the "drivers" for that, if you have the choice of installing only the drivers, or the drivers and Trendnet's wireless settings program, DO NOT install the wireless settings program !
- If you don't have that choice, see my other info in response 1 about that, and/or see next.

- see the TEW-424UB Questions and FAQs and Downloads info in response 25 - the User's Guide is probably on the CD that came with it too.

- For setting up both wireless adapters using settings in your router's configuration and the Wireless Zero program, see the last part of response 4

For more info about the built in Wireless Zero program and wireless networks in Windows,
- search Window's Help and Support for: wireless
- search the web for: wireless zero.
....

"i could only see my desktop from my net book, but not reverse"

It often takes longer for other computers to show their network adapter connection in XP. You may need to Restart the XP computer, or both computers, and even then it may not show up in XP for a while.

In any case, that's not important - you need to concentrate on connecting wirelessly to the router.
The wireless adapters and the router must use Infrastructure mode in order for the wireless adapters to connect to the router. Infrastructure mode is usually the default mode.

"...i do not how enter any wpa security key that it keeps asking for. All I see as far as that is concerned in my setup of the router, that it shows asterisks only."

READ the router's manual !
READ the TEW-424UB's User's Guide !
Look for info about security settings when you do these things....
- search Window's Help and Support for: wireless
- search the web for: wireless zero.


If you mean the router already has a security code but the characters shown are asterisks, there is ALWAYS something you can click on that will show the code's characters instead of the asterisks (at least there always has been in all the configurations of the wireless routers I've seen).

You DO NOT need to be concerned about any code shown in Windows for a wireless adapter, which by default always shows only asterisks. If you use the instructions at the end of response 4, all of the wireless adapters will be using the code settings found in the router's configuration automatically !



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#28
November 20, 2011 at 13:30:52
Well, it seems your mother is going to have a long time in recovering..does she live alone? I wish her well i fear for myself in falling and breaking my hip which is common with people my age and your mothers...so if its any consolation it wasn't her hip.

I finally got to ping again both computers...i do not have a cable connected to my net book, so I am assuming that i have it setup finally..the only puzzling thing is that the USB adapter is not flashing on/off, like it did on my older setup which gave me confirmation that all is well...hey, who cares as long as its wireless, right? LOL


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#29
November 20, 2011 at 14:10:47
I live with my Mother and Father in their house and take care of things they can't do or don't want to do anymore. Otherwise, they'd be living in an apartment or condo or with my empty nest brother or empty nest except for her 2x year old son sister in the same city. I have no wife or ex-wife or girlfriend or family of my own.
I drive her car for them a lot, but Ma still drives fine. Some time after she turns 85 in December she'll need to pass a driver's test to retain her operator's license - she's worried about that, but I don't think she'll have a problem with that. The only thing she has a problem with is turning her head more than about 30 degrees from center because of calcium deposits in her neck bones - she turns her upper body if she needs to.
Dad no longer drives, and hasn't driven for 5 years or more.
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"the only puzzling thing is that the USB adapter is not flashing on/off, like it did on my older setup which gave me confirmation that all is well"

The User's Guide for the TEW-424UB probably tells you what the led(s) on it should do.
"...i do not have a cable connected to my net book,"
You don't know for sure whether the ABS computer is connecting wirelessly unless there is no network cable between the ABS computer and the router, or unless the wired network adapter is disabled in Device Manager when that cable is connected.

If you have the security settings set up properly, when you use the Wireless Zero program, the connection for your router's SSID is labeled Security Enabled or similar in the available wireless connections list.


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#30
November 20, 2011 at 15:50:52
The User's Guide for the TEW-424UB probably tells you what the led(s) on it should do.
"...i do not have a cable connected to my net book,"
You don't know for sure whether the ABS computer is connecting wirelessly unless there is no network cable between the ABS computer and the router, or unless the wired network adapter is disabled in Device Manager when that cable is connected. >>>

Set to Vista Basic / Premium
Network Driver
SiSi63U WLAN controller>>>

This is what i found in the user guide with that number driver you showed me...check the dates ...2004 way before even Vista I believe.

xp NETWORK connections shows a red X for the wireless connection, and although i can ping each pc, my XP cannot see my net book...and as far as the lens the adapter lighting up..there is nothing in the user guide about it...i vaguely recall a Trendnet supporter once told me when i bought it about 4or 5 years ago. I think there is something in the router setup that is preventing it. Why does it show a red X in network connections and yet in device manager it says its working properly? go figure..


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#31
November 20, 2011 at 19:45:06
"Network Driver
SiSi63U WLAN controller>>>

This is what i found in the user guide with that number driver you showed me...check the dates ...2004 way before even Vista I believe."

As I told you I DO NOT KNOW if the Trendnet USB adapter has that SiS chip !

Why are you even mentioning Vista ? You can't use the Trendnet USB adapter and make it work with the netbook ! I looked at the 2007 file contents of the Vista drivers download from the SiS web site - it does NOT mention Vista 64 bit in any of it's readable files, so it's probably for the 32 bit versions of Vista only ! If you can't use them for Vista 64 bit, you can't use them for Windows 7 64 bit !!

It's not relevant that the User's Guide was released before Vista existed if that's what you're trying to point out !

It's not relevant if the drivers for XP are older than for Vista !
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"Why does it show a red X in network connections and yet in device manager it says its working properly?"

"...in device manager it says its working properly?""

The drivers are working fine.

".... a red X in network connections..."

The red X = the Trendnet USB adapter IS NOT CONNECTING to the router wirelessly, probably because because the Security settings for the wireless adapter are not compatible with the Security settings in the router's configuration !

EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW OR NEED TO REFER TO IS ALREADY IN MY POSTS IN THIS TOPIC !

If you're not "getting it", if you know someone who has experience setting up wireless networks for more than one wireless adapter to the same router, by all means, ask him or her to help you !!

You have not told me exactly what you did, so I have no idea what you're doing wrong !!

From response 27:

"As far as using the TEW-424UB with the ABS computer is concerned......

- see my info in response 1
- it's much easier to use the built in Windows Wireless Zero program rather than the one that came with the TEW-424UB adapter.
- when you install the "drivers" for that, if you have the choice of installing only the drivers, or the drivers and Trendnet's wireless settings program, DO NOT install the wireless settings program !
- If you don't have that choice, see my other info in response 1 about that, and/or see next.

- see the TEW-424UB Questions and FAQs and Downloads info in response 25 - the User's Guide is probably on the CD that came with it too.

- For setting up both wireless adapters using settings in your router's configuration and the Wireless Zero program, see the last part of response 4

For more info about the built in Wireless Zero program and wireless networks in Windows,
- search Window's Help and Support for: wireless
- search the web for: wireless zero. "
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From response 25

"Browse "TEW-424UB" Questions
http://www.trendnet.com/support/kb/...

Downloads
TEW-424UB (Version V2)
http://www.trendnet.com/downloads/l...

Data sheet - doesn't specify which wireless networking chip it has

FAQs - includes how to set the Trendnet wireless settings utility so you can use Window's Wireless Zero program.

User's Guide - good info but doesn't specify which wireless networking chip it has. "
........

The User's Guide is probably the same one as on the CD that came with the Trendnet adapter !
It has good info about setting up the Security settings, but that info should be used to help you set similar up on the router, and you should use the Available wireless connections feature of the Wireless Zero program to provide the proper code to use that is compatible with the router's settings !



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#32
November 21, 2011 at 07:37:12
HI, sorry about the confusion this has been dragging a long time and I am just getting weary, mostly due to the fact that i am network illiterate.... For the record...i have NOT been using the software that came with my USB unit...only windows wizard. In between our 'chats', i have been trying to follow your suggestions, as well as tweaking the router....so I decided to reset the router to default. I found out why I was seeing the red "X" on the wireless and yet seeing that in DM its working properly, is because its referring to the ethernet adapter. I have disabled it and found out later that it seems to enable itself each time I reboot. ..so I am on line cause of that, not the wireless one. I ignored the user guide cause i thought it only referred to the old driver and not the updated one..On a whim, I went back to the Trendnet web site and read for the first time the features of the updated driver, and to my surprise it says it is only compatible with XP SP1 and 2. I have SP3 .I called support and they told me that it may work with SP3, but not if your using a IDE hard drive, which I am. My older laptop which i do not have anymore did have SP3, but i do not know about the hard drive it had...obviously, not an ide...so that is that...too bad I had to find out after all this time. I never heard of a hard drive rejecting a driver. I appreciate your efforts and if you want to end this 'chat', I understand, and bear no ill feelings. If I knew someone as you suggested, i wouldn't be here asking for assistance.

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#33
November 21, 2011 at 09:56:04
Any network adapter is a.k.a. an ethernet adapter. The word ethernet may or may not be in it's description.

I assume you had both the wired network adapter and the USB wireless network adapter connected to the ABS desktop, and a network cable connected from the ABS computer to the router only the wired network adapter was connecting to the router.

" For the record...i have NOT been using the software that came with my USB unit...only windows wizard."

Good. I have (or had - I may have given it to someone) a Trendnet USB wireless G adapter that looks similar to yours. I'm not sure if it's the same one at the moment - but it's been a while since I installed the software for it, so I wasn't sure if only the drivers could be installed in XP.

I'm assuming the Broadcom wireless adapter on the netbook was connecting wirelessly to the router fine ?
In that case you didn't need to re-set the router to defaults - you just needed to follow the procedure at the end of response 4 to get the Trendnet adapter to use the proper code or password the router's Security settings were already using.

"I have disabled it and found out later that it seems to enable itself each time I reboot. ..so I am on line cause of that, not the wireless one."

Uninstalling it in Device Manager only disables it in the Windows session you're running at the time. The drivers are loaded automatically the next time you load Windows, e.g. after the computer is Restarted.
You must select Disable, NOT Uninstall.
(Uninstall in Device Manager usually only uninstalls the device, not the drivers for the device.)

"I ignored the user guide cause i thought it only referred to the old driver and not the updated one "

I referred you to the User's Guide mostly because it has good info about how to set up the security settings, that may be good additional useful when you set them up in the router's configuration. Updated drivers usually merely fix bugs in older drivers, or may add new features, but for the same brand's wireless settings program it usually looks the same or very much the same as in the manual despite the fact the manual is older than the drivers or the latest wireless settings utility.

Sometimes the documentation was made before SP3 Windows updates were first released. Newer versions of the software may have older documentation, or older documetation that has only been slightly changed. If the docs for the drivers or for the wireless settings utility refer to SP2 Windows updates but not SP3 Windows updates, I don't know of ANY situation where they would not work fine when XP has had SP3 Windows updates installed.
Whether the network adapter drivers work properly certainly has nothing to do with whether you're using an IDE or SATA hard drive for the Windows installation.

"If I knew someone as you suggested, i wouldn't be here asking for assistance."

Many people, especially males including myself, would rather try to figure out how to do the task properly themselves than have someone else they know or a "professional" who already knows how to do the task help them do it, or the person may be reluctant to do so for whatever reason.
E.g. I've been criticized for doing that regarding problems with my Ma's car by my sister and brother, but eventually I fixed the problems for minimal money.


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#34
November 21, 2011 at 10:14:37
"I have disabled it and found out later that it seems to enable itself each time I reboot. ..so I am on line cause of that, not the wireless one."

Uninstalling it in Device Manager only disables it in the Windows session you're running at the time. The drivers are loaded automatically the next time you load Windows, e.g. after the computer is Restarted.
You must select Disable, NOT Uninstall. >>>

I said ( read above my quote ) disabled it I DID NOT UNINSTalled it.

Trendnet supporter told me this morning as we tried to reinstall the updated driver about this IDE hard drive thing. I told him I never heard of a hard drive denying installation of a driver..He also suggested that I uninstall SP3 to SP2..Got to go to the doctors now stomach problems.


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#35
November 21, 2011 at 10:41:08
There are two ways you can Disable a device in Device Manager
- you can RIGHT click on the item's entry, and choose Disable, a message box pops up, you click on Yes (if you click on No it's NOT Disabled)
- or - you can RIGHT click on the item's entry, and choose Properties, and Disable it at the bottom of the window, there is no message box that pops up when you do that.

I usually use the latter method, so out of curiousity I used the former method to disable something in Device Manager in XP.
I Restarted Windows - then I looked in Device Manager - that device was still disabled in Device Manage - the red X was still there for it.

The only ways the wired network adapter would have been enabled after you restarted the computer would be
- if you had selected Unistall,
- or if you had selected Disable but clicked on No instead of Yes on the message box that popped up,
- or you selected Disable but didn't click on anything in that message box.
....

You never know what the qualifications of the person you're talking to or that you contact are these days regarding a tech support person. E.g. when you call Dell or HP support you're probably talking to someone in India. They can easily NOT know what the hxxx they're talking about. IGNORE what he or she said in this case.


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#36
November 22, 2011 at 07:32:01
Well, i went back to your #1 post to try again and there maybe something in what that supporter says..about SP1,2 and 3....I tried a few times and each time after adding the usb adapter I get the blue screen where its obvious that it shows only the sis driver as the cause of it...so, maybe its because I have SP3.

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#37
November 22, 2011 at 15:41:11
"IGNORE what he or she said in this case. "

" I get the blue screen "

There was nothing wrong with the drivers you already had installed for the Trendnet USB adapter on the ABS computer !

The drivers I pointed to on the SiS web site are ONLY FOR VISTA !

If you're getting a "blue screen of death", tell us what it says on it !

E.g. STOP: 0Xx00000xx

Is there a problem file named on the blue screen ?
If yes, tell us what it is

If that's not what you're seeing, what are you seeing ?


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#38
November 22, 2011 at 15:51:12
If you're getting a "blue screen of death", tell us what it says on it !

E.g. STOP: 0Xx00000xx Like I said in my last post it says Stop: sis163u driver

I am para-phrasing unless i intentionally want to get that blue screen again. From Past experiences of the blue screen under other matters, I always looked for the Stop area ..and if it was a file, i deleted it and got rid of the blue screen...


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#39
November 22, 2011 at 22:40:40
"I am para-phrasing unless i intentionally want to get that blue screen again."

Your information is useless if you don't tell us the specific STOP code .

Regarding your response 36

"You have not told me exactly what you did, so I have no idea what you're doing wrong !!"

What am I supposed to do - guess ? again ?

You had NO REASON to install drivers for the Trendnet USB adapter ! They were working fine !

For the THIRD TIME.....
".....I don't know if your TEW-424UB has the SiSi63U WLAN controller or not ! "


That had NOTHING TO DO with the Trendnet USB adapter not being able to connect to the router !

I suspect either
- you installed the wrong driver version
- or - you did not install the right driver version properly !


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#40
November 23, 2011 at 05:54:35
Okay...all went well this morning. after reading your last desperate post ( LOL ) I attempted to repeat the blue screen to give you what you were asking for. The desktop is on, I grabbed the usb adapter and inserted it into the slot expecting the blue screen...instead, the wizard program appeared...this time I made it search the internet for the driver instead me entering it, and lo and behold, it did...and I noticed for the first time the adapter 'blinking'..Now, I am 'scared' ( into shutting down the system ) not knowing if i actually succeeded. What would be the definitive way of knowing?

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#41
November 23, 2011 at 07:59:30
What are you afraid of ?
It's extremely unlikely that the drivers for the Trendnet USB adapter would stop working after you Restarted the computer when it works now.

I don't understand how it would have been possible for the Trendnet USB adapter to be shown as working properly in Device Manager as you said previously when it wasn't blinking it's led(s). I suspect it wasn't working properly and you were looking at the wired network adapter's listing in Device Manager.


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#42
November 24, 2011 at 05:26:42
Thanks for everything and have a Happy Thanksgiving.

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#43
November 24, 2011 at 10:55:59
Thanks for the thanks and Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Thanksgiving in Canada (where I am) was / is on October 10.

By the way, my Ma came home Tuesday afternoon and is getting by quite well with the help of a 2 wheeled walker, hopping around on her good leg /ankle.


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