i have an incomplete setup selection at bootup I want rid of

April 27, 2012 at 09:23:55
Specs: Microsoft Windows XP Professional, 3.2ghz / 3gig
I was installing a new hard drive, I installed xp(sp2) onto this drive. SP3 upgrade files were on the same dvd as the xp(sp2) install.
however
When I installed xp(sp2) and got to the desktop, the OS jumped on the internet and updated itself to SP3.

Now when I boot I get the option to select WinXP or WINXP setup ???
It defaults to XP setup, so if im not at the machine when rebooting, I dont get to select winxp as its on a 3 sec timer.
I know I could make the timer longer , but I want rid of the option to select anything. I just want the machine to boot , auto .

any ideas

Auldy66

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#1
April 27, 2012 at 10:09:18
google how to edit the boot.ini

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#2
April 27, 2012 at 10:38:19
SP3 (and SP1, and SP2) Windows updates that are not already embedded in Windows ARE NOT normally installed automatically !
You have to give your permission for them to be installed.

E.g.

If you have installed SP2 updates in Windows yourself, or if they're already embedded in Windows...

- eventually Automatic Update will download the SP3 updates, but it does NOT install them automatically when you select Turn Off Computer, then Turn Off like it does for most updates. You'll probably see a yellow shield icon in your taskbar, and when you click on it, if the SP3 updates are listed, you have to give your permission to install them.

- if you go to the Microsoft Update or Windows Update web page on the Microsoft web site, eventually an Express search will offer only the SP3 updates, you can download them, but it doesn't install them automatically. You have to give your permission to install them.

- if you have the installation file for the SP3 updates on your computer, or on the DVD you're using, you have to deliberately run the program yourself.
....

You had something oddball happen.

Where did you get the DVD from ?
Did you make it yourself ?
It's remotely possible it has some oddball way enabled of installing the SP3 updates after you have installed XP SP2 completely, but that's extremely unlikely, unless you or someone else used a program to make the DVD, and you or they specified the SP3 updates were to be installed.

Normally when you want SP3 updates to be installed during Setup when the original CD didn't have them, you follow a procedure to embed them into the original contents of your XP CD on the "slipstreamed" disk ( nLite does the same thing) - there is no need to install then after XP SP2 has been installed, because the contents of the "slipstreamed" disk already have the SP3 updates embedded in it.

If SP3 updates WERE installed, that would not happen instantly. It usually takes at least 15 minutes for the installation to complete.

RIGHT click on My Computer.
Select Properties.
On the right side of the first window you see that popped up, you'll see the Windows version and the Service Pack version.
If that doesn't say Service Pack 3, it probably says Service Pack 2, and the SP3 updates were NOT installed, or if there was an attempt to install them that attempt failed.
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"Now when I boot I get the option to select WinXP or WINXP setup ???
It defaults to XP setup, so if im not at the machine when rebooting, I dont get to select winxp as its on a 3 sec timer."

Does either choice work, or only one of them ?

In any case, you can Edit boot.ini in XP to get rid of the choice you don't want to appear, or you can make the other choice the default choice.

Control Panel - Classic view - System - Advanced - Startup and Recovery - Edit - you MUST maximize the window.

Quote exactly what you see in boot.ini .

Go to Disk Management
(shortcut - Start - Run - type: diskmgmt.msc , click OK or press Enter )

Is there more than one partition on the same physical hard drive as Windows was installed on ?

Tell us.

(If you have more than one that complicates what you need to Edit in boot.ini .)

Then we can tell your what you need to do.



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#3
April 27, 2012 at 11:21:37
hey thanks for the quick reply.

I got the disk from one of our technicians at work(i work in a college), It was an xp(sp2) install disk. The tech told me that sp3 install files were also on the disk.

We have a site license for windows.

You were right about the updates( i never explained that part too well), it WAS through the update process that I got updated all the way up to SP3. prior to that Im sure I selected to update to sp3 from an install file.

I have already removed the line from the boot.ini file. when I saved I re-booted the machine it was back !! I have inserted the line I removed below.

C:\$WIN_NT$.~BT\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows XP Professional Setup"

the winxp option at startup takes me into theOS as desired.

The setup option fails while looking for a file called jraid.sys I think.

I would like my machine to just boot into the OS like it used to before the hard drive failed..

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#4
April 27, 2012 at 11:24:18
I have just re-read your first reply again. Why did you make such a big deal about whether I selected the updates or they run automatically. ??

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#5
April 27, 2012 at 11:26:21
btw: In my computer properties, it has SP3 installed !

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#6
April 27, 2012 at 11:27:43
the HD is one large partition

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#7
April 27, 2012 at 11:56:34
I don't know what this is but notice there are some hits in Google for "jraid.sys" and it is for RAID. Might be worth a look - one guy reset his BIOS to cure the error. Avoid downloading a jraid.sys file at this stage.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks


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#8
April 27, 2012 at 12:41:07
"I would like my machine to just boot into the OS like it used to before the hard drive failed.."

If you edited boot.ini correctly, there will no longer be a screen that asks you which choice you want to load while initially loading stuff from the hard drive - it will automatically load the only remaining choice.

If you didn't edit boot.ini correctly, that may not be your situation - you may need to quote exactly what it says in boot.ini, as I asked you to.

If you do what I told you to do, boot.ini is displayed in Notepad - it's easy to copy all of it, and paste into a post .


"Why did you make such a big deal about whether I selected the updates or they run automatically. ??"

Obviously, because I've never heard of them installing automatically, in any situation.

We can only go by what the person who originally started the topic tells us.
Apparently, your initial info about that was not correct.


""In my computer properties, it has SP3 installed !"

If you gave permission for them to be installed, of course they were installed.


"the HD is one large partition"

Good. That makes it less complicated what you need to remove in boot.ini .

However, it's a good idea to have at least one other partition on the hard drive if it's your only hard drive, at the very least so that you have some place convenient to copy data to you don't want to lose if you ever need to load Windows from scratch, and if the hard drive capacity is relatively huge, it's NOT a good idea for it to have only one partition in some circumstances.You can install most programs that did not come with Windows on any other partition other than the one Windows was installed on.

You can't make the partition smaller in Windows XP and previous itself without losing all the data on the partition, but you CAN use a third party "partition manipulation" program to make an existing partition smaller, without losing the data that's already on it, and make one or more additional partitions in the un-allocated space freed up by doing that, in the program, or in Windows
E.g. the freeware Easesus Partition Master Home Edition.

(You CAN make an existing partition smaller in Vista or Windows 7 itself without losing the data already on the partition, in Disk Management.)
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"I have inserted the line I removed below.

C:\$WIN_NT$.~BT\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows XP Professional Setup" "

That's an oddball line for boot.ini.

"I got the disk from one of our technicians at work(i work in a college), "

It's probably due to something a technician modified from the defaults. Ask the technician who gave you the disk about that.
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"The setup option fails while looking for a file called jraid.sys I think."

That is probably due to to something a technician modified from the defaults, or added as a custom thing. Certain files can be modified or added when a technician wants to be able to use the same source custom (burned) disk to install Windows on many computers.
Ask the technician who gave you the disk about that.


XP has no built in SATA drive controller drivers. It could be something was trying to install jraid.sys or whatever it was for a SATA controller, but it wasn't on the DVD, or it was but wasn't copied to the hard drive, or it was supposed to be on a floppy disk in a floppy drive when the program ran.
Under normal circumstances, SATA drive controller drivers have to be provided on a floppy disk after pressing F6; the initial files loaded from the XP CD won't recognize them being on anything else,
or the SATA drive controller drivers have to be custom integrated into the original contents of the Windows CD.
XP recognizes only a small number of USB floppy drive models by default, so usually the floppy disk must be in a conventional floppy drive.

Whether the SATA drive controller drivers need to be provided while loading the contents of the XP CD depends on what mode the SATA controllers are set to in the mboard's bios Setup, and whether you're trying to install XP on a SATA hard drive that's connected to the mboard.

Installing XP and SATA drive controllers, SATA drives; the SATA drive controller bios settings.
See response 2:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...



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#9
April 29, 2012 at 11:51:26
quick reply here, dont have much time. thanks for the extensive reply.. I recently installed a new sata DVD drive in this laptop, if that shines any light on the jraid.sys prob??
Auldy
ps: will apply the rest of your help to this machine when I get more time.

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#10
April 29, 2012 at 12:26:47
If that SATA DVD dive worked fine for installing XP from the DVD, then it's probable that the bios Setup had it's SATA drive controller mode set to an IDE compatible mode at the time you installed that.
See the info at the end of response 8.

The jraid.sys driver is probably for only one brand of SATA drive controller, and may be ony for certain chipsets made by that brand. It may not be the one your particular mboard needs.

Optical (CD and DVD) drives cannot use RAID mode, but when the SATA drive controller supports RAID use, usually you must use the drivers for the RAID version of the chip series even if you can't or don't want to use RAID mode, and it's only necessary to have the right driver installed for the SATA drive controller when you have the SATA drive controller mode set to SATA or AHCI mode in the bios.

By the way, SATA Optical (CD and DVD) drives cannot use the full max burst data transfer speeds that SATA hard drives can. They're limited by the max speed the disk can be spun at without it flying apart, and by the max amount of data they can transfer from the tracks on the disk per second. For a DVD, not blu-ray, drive, the max burst data transfer speeds limit is 66 mbytes/sec.


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#11
July 6, 2012 at 10:55:25
Hey
iv not had much of a chance to lok at this problem for a while. I have been busy writing custom software for a company my friend owns.

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#12
July 6, 2012 at 11:02:33
Hey
iv not had much of a chance to look at this problem for a while. I have been busy writing custom software for a company my friend owns.

i still have the same problem with this laptop. It still asks if i want to load xp or setup xp at boot.

quote"
If you edited boot.ini correctly, there will no longer be a screen that asks you which choice you want to load while initially loading stuff from the hard drive - it will automatically load the only remaining choice."
end quote

I DID edit the boot.ini file correctly, it opens in notepad, what else can go wrong.

the line you said should not be in this file WAS there. and it WAS replaced when i rebooted the machine.

i have been working with computers since 1982, and lecturing in programming for the last 20 years. i hate when i come across some tech or student who thinks they are elite and talk down to people(like yourself) because they kow a LITTLE about one topic or another.

All I wanted was for someone to tell me how to remove a choice the OS is throwing up!!!


quote "
However, it's a good idea to have at least one other partition on the hard drive blah blah blah....."
end quote


I have one large HD partition because I WANT ONE LARGE PARTITION !!! i never asked you for help on partitioning my HD!

Dudes like you are ok to prise info out of from time to time on the net, but in no way would i be able to take you down my local for a couple of beers and guarantee your safety.

no doubt you will be waffling on about spelling or grammer mistakes after this, or pull every full stop apart in this answer, or try and ridicule how much or little i know about computing. thats ok, its expected, its what guys like you do.

cheers for TRYING to help me, but i think i will ask my kid sister instead..

Auldy

any help would be appreciated
thanx in advance
Auldy


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#13
July 7, 2012 at 07:45:07
I am not a technician or a student. I'm just someone who has had a lot of experience troubleshooting computer problems, starting in 89, on my own computers, on other computers that belong to people I know and/or who have asked me to help them, and online since 2002.

My primary objective is to help you solve your problem.
If you don't want my help, that's fine with me.
I'll help others instead.

Having more than one partition on your only hard drive was only suggested as a good idea.

I have never seen a line like this in boot.ini in / quoted online for ANY computer that has / had XP on it...

"C:\$WIN_NT$.~BT\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows XP Professional Setup""

...and I have never heard of a line that had been deleted in boot.ini being automatically re-inserted in boot.ini after the computer has been Restarted
.
Are you SURE you SAVED the edited boot.ini after you edited it ?

Have you talked to the technician who supplied you with the CD about your problem ?
That CD's contents may have been modified from that on a standard Windows CD.


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