Solved cloning hard-drive including operating system

Fujitsu siemens / D1192
October 9, 2011 at 07:42:52
Specs: Windows XP, 1.297 GHz / 1023 MB
I have an old pc, which runs Win XP PRO, and has a 40GB hard drive - is there any way I can copy the entire contents of the hard-drive (including the operating system) onto a new pc, which has a blank 320GB hard-drive, and no operating system??

I need to copy the whole thing as it includes various other software, which i have loaded, and I no longer have the original cd's for....

Any questions, please ask.......thank you.


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October 9, 2011 at 08:34:07
The web site for the maker of either of the hard drives has free drive preparation software available that will copy the entire contents of the 40gb drive to the 320gb drive, and automatically or by your choices fill (software partition using NTFS or FAT32 and format) the destination drive's space.
(if the source drive is Maxtor, Seagate supports Maxtor drives.)

E.g. Seagate has two of them, one of which is MaxBlast, which is actually a crippled version of Acronis software (crippled - as in, you can copy the entire source drive's contents but not individual partitions).
Western Digital has a similar program, which is also a a (different) crippled version of Acronis software
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However, if the mboard you are using the 320gb on has hardware (main chips, etc.) that is more than a little different from that on the mboard that the 40gb drive was connected to when XP was installed, when you try to boot the computer and load XP from the 320gb drive, Windows will probably NOT load all the way - you see the first bit of Windows graphics, then one of several possible things happens and nothing further happens. E.g. a common situation is you see a black screen with a blinking cursor top left.

You can fix that situation without losing the personal data that is already on the partition Windows was installed on, IF and only IF you have a suitable XP CD you can boot the computer from, by running a Repair installation of Windows procedure.

How to do an XP Repair installation step by step:
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/win...

Suitable XP CD....

In your case, it must be an XP Pro CD, 32 bit or 64 bit, whatever was on the original drive (most people have the 32 bit version).
It must have SP1 or later Windows updates integrated into it in order for it to recognize the full size of the 320gb drive.
(If it doesn't, you can use the CD to make yourself a "slipstreamed" CD, preferably a CD-R, that has had the SP3 updates integrated into it.)

If the original drive was on a brand name computer, Windows has an OEM license - the XP Pro CD must be for an OEM licensed version of Windows.

If the original drive was on a generic desktop computer, usually Windows has an OEM license - the XP Pro CD must be for an OEM licensed version of Windows (- or it may have a Retail license - . the XP Pro CD must be for a retail licensed version of Windows.)

"the original XP PRO was a retail version, so I assumed I could use the product-key code on the new pc "

Yes, that will work, if you have the retail XP CD.

- a regular Microsoft OEM XP Pro CD - it has the Microsoft holograms on it, and "For distribution with a new PC only." is printed on it.

- a brand name labeled XP Pro Re-installation CD or similar, for the brand name computer you have connected the 320gb drive to. A similar CD for the brand name computer you got the 40gb drive from will probably REFUSE to install Windows or run a Repair installation of Windows on any computer that is not the same brand name model as the computer it came with, or one of a small group of models made at the same time.

You need a suitable Product Key to go along with the CD.
Brand name computers have an OEM licensed Product Key, on the official Microsoft label that's stuck to the outside of the case - many generic desktop systems have similar - it's obvious when you read the label that it's OEM licensed if the label came with a regular Microsoft OEM XP Pro CD.

""the original XP PRO was a retail version, so I assumed I could use the product-key code on the new pc "

Use the Product Key that came with the CD. You were supposed to install the official Microsoft label on the outside of the original case, but sometimes people don't bother and it's loose somewhere.

If you have the official Microsoft label but the Product Key is no longer fully readable, or if you don't have one or you do but can't find it, you can use a free program to find the Product Key Windows is presently using
- in Windows before you remove the source drive from being connected to the mboard that was present when Windows was installed
- or - if the Windows installtion isn't working but it's still there, when you connect the (source) drive to another computer that has the same family of Windows running on it, some such programs can find the Product Key that was being used on the non working Windows installation.
E.g. search for the freeware program Keyfinder, by Jellybean....
It can do both things. For the latter situation, see the KeyFinder FAQs at the bottom of the page where you download Keyfinder. .
.....

If the 320gb drive is SATA....

Installing XP (or running a RepaIr Installation) and SATA drive controllers, SATA drives; the SATA drive controller bios settings.
See response 2:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...
.....

You will need to load all the drivers for the mboard after Setup is finished (if the mboard is different, of course).

If your Windows CD does not have SP1 or SP2 updates or SP3 updates included, and you updated Windows to SP2, or SP3, you will have to install SP2 or SP3 updates again to get it working properly. SP1 or later is required for USB 2.0 and hard drives larger than 137gb (manufacturer's size; 128gb in Windows and most bioses).

You may also need to re-install some of your Windows Updates.
....

If you have installed IE 7 or 8, the CD installs IE 6 .You will get some error messages when you use IE, because of a mix of IE 6 and IE 7 or IE 8 files.
The solution to that is to un-install IE 7 or 8 in Add or Remove programs, then install it again.
(if IE 7 or 8 is not listed there, install the newer version; NOTE that you may need to also then un-install it, then install it again. )

IE 6 is no longer supported properly by many web sites.
IE 7 was never supported as well as IE 8 is. IE 9 is available, but it still has bugs, and not all web sites support it .
IE 8 is a "mature" browser - most of it's bugs have been fixed, via Windows updates, after they have been loaded.

You should install a newer version of IE even if you don't use the IE browser. The files installed include some that are not specifically for the IE browser that all browsers benefit from.




#1
October 9, 2011 at 08:04:45
You can clone the drive but it probably wouldn't run on the new computer. Depending on the hardware it may be possible to make it work with a repair install but you would need an install disk to do this.

But if the original OS was an OEM version (came installed with the computer) it would not be legal to do this. This would only be legal if the OS was installed from a full retail disk. And you would not be able to use the OS on the old computer either.


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#2
October 9, 2011 at 08:10:19
Hi LMiller7, thanks for your reply - the original XP PRO was a retail version, so I assumed I could use the product-key code on the new pc (if needed), and then the old pc would be ditched....does that help???

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#3
October 9, 2011 at 08:18:29
well if you have the CD. Yes then clone the drive and then just do a repair install. Be sure to install drivers. haven't ghosted in a while but i think you'll only use 40gig on 320gig hdd. You would also have to expand the volume I think

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#4
October 9, 2011 at 08:24:36
Sorry Rocker, but how do I actually go about doing this then??

Also, what do you mean when you say "be sure to install drivers" and "expand the volume"?


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#5
October 9, 2011 at 08:34:07
✔ Best Answer
The web site for the maker of either of the hard drives has free drive preparation software available that will copy the entire contents of the 40gb drive to the 320gb drive, and automatically or by your choices fill (software partition using NTFS or FAT32 and format) the destination drive's space.
(if the source drive is Maxtor, Seagate supports Maxtor drives.)

E.g. Seagate has two of them, one of which is MaxBlast, which is actually a crippled version of Acronis software (crippled - as in, you can copy the entire source drive's contents but not individual partitions).
Western Digital has a similar program, which is also a a (different) crippled version of Acronis software
.....

However, if the mboard you are using the 320gb on has hardware (main chips, etc.) that is more than a little different from that on the mboard that the 40gb drive was connected to when XP was installed, when you try to boot the computer and load XP from the 320gb drive, Windows will probably NOT load all the way - you see the first bit of Windows graphics, then one of several possible things happens and nothing further happens. E.g. a common situation is you see a black screen with a blinking cursor top left.

You can fix that situation without losing the personal data that is already on the partition Windows was installed on, IF and only IF you have a suitable XP CD you can boot the computer from, by running a Repair installation of Windows procedure.

How to do an XP Repair installation step by step:
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/win...

Suitable XP CD....

In your case, it must be an XP Pro CD, 32 bit or 64 bit, whatever was on the original drive (most people have the 32 bit version).
It must have SP1 or later Windows updates integrated into it in order for it to recognize the full size of the 320gb drive.
(If it doesn't, you can use the CD to make yourself a "slipstreamed" CD, preferably a CD-R, that has had the SP3 updates integrated into it.)

If the original drive was on a brand name computer, Windows has an OEM license - the XP Pro CD must be for an OEM licensed version of Windows.

If the original drive was on a generic desktop computer, usually Windows has an OEM license - the XP Pro CD must be for an OEM licensed version of Windows (- or it may have a Retail license - . the XP Pro CD must be for a retail licensed version of Windows.)

"the original XP PRO was a retail version, so I assumed I could use the product-key code on the new pc "

Yes, that will work, if you have the retail XP CD.

- a regular Microsoft OEM XP Pro CD - it has the Microsoft holograms on it, and "For distribution with a new PC only." is printed on it.

- a brand name labeled XP Pro Re-installation CD or similar, for the brand name computer you have connected the 320gb drive to. A similar CD for the brand name computer you got the 40gb drive from will probably REFUSE to install Windows or run a Repair installation of Windows on any computer that is not the same brand name model as the computer it came with, or one of a small group of models made at the same time.

You need a suitable Product Key to go along with the CD.
Brand name computers have an OEM licensed Product Key, on the official Microsoft label that's stuck to the outside of the case - many generic desktop systems have similar - it's obvious when you read the label that it's OEM licensed if the label came with a regular Microsoft OEM XP Pro CD.

""the original XP PRO was a retail version, so I assumed I could use the product-key code on the new pc "

Use the Product Key that came with the CD. You were supposed to install the official Microsoft label on the outside of the original case, but sometimes people don't bother and it's loose somewhere.

If you have the official Microsoft label but the Product Key is no longer fully readable, or if you don't have one or you do but can't find it, you can use a free program to find the Product Key Windows is presently using
- in Windows before you remove the source drive from being connected to the mboard that was present when Windows was installed
- or - if the Windows installtion isn't working but it's still there, when you connect the (source) drive to another computer that has the same family of Windows running on it, some such programs can find the Product Key that was being used on the non working Windows installation.
E.g. search for the freeware program Keyfinder, by Jellybean....
It can do both things. For the latter situation, see the KeyFinder FAQs at the bottom of the page where you download Keyfinder. .
.....

If the 320gb drive is SATA....

Installing XP (or running a RepaIr Installation) and SATA drive controllers, SATA drives; the SATA drive controller bios settings.
See response 2:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...
.....

You will need to load all the drivers for the mboard after Setup is finished (if the mboard is different, of course).

If your Windows CD does not have SP1 or SP2 updates or SP3 updates included, and you updated Windows to SP2, or SP3, you will have to install SP2 or SP3 updates again to get it working properly. SP1 or later is required for USB 2.0 and hard drives larger than 137gb (manufacturer's size; 128gb in Windows and most bioses).

You may also need to re-install some of your Windows Updates.
....

If you have installed IE 7 or 8, the CD installs IE 6 .You will get some error messages when you use IE, because of a mix of IE 6 and IE 7 or IE 8 files.
The solution to that is to un-install IE 7 or 8 in Add or Remove programs, then install it again.
(if IE 7 or 8 is not listed there, install the newer version; NOTE that you may need to also then un-install it, then install it again. )

IE 6 is no longer supported properly by many web sites.
IE 7 was never supported as well as IE 8 is. IE 9 is available, but it still has bugs, and not all web sites support it .
IE 8 is a "mature" browser - most of it's bugs have been fixed, via Windows updates, after they have been loaded.

You should install a newer version of IE even if you don't use the IE browser. The files installed include some that are not specifically for the IE browser that all browsers benefit from.



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#6
October 9, 2011 at 09:29:00
Thanks for that detailed response, Tubesandwires - I accidentally hit SOLVED, and something else which rated your reply -1 - how do I undo these please???

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#7
October 9, 2011 at 10:37:46
Thanks for the thanks.

".... I accidentally hit SOLVED, and something else which rated your reply -1 - how do I undo these please???"

Do you see a Solved button or similar ?
I don't.
If you do, that may be something only the person who started the Topic sees.

Regarding the the Report icon at the top right of the posts, the new version of that appeared only yesterday or the day before. There was a similar icon previoulsy, along with more icons, one of which was for Edit, which now doesn't appear at the top of your own posts, and instead there is a line you can click on at the bottom of your own posts to choose to Edit.

It's for rating the post - the down arrow (arrowhead actually; downwards pointing V) for don't like the post, the up arrow for like the post.
I don't know why the webmaster(s) chose to have only that there now - most people weren't using the similar icon's features previously to rate a post.
I don't know how to undo that (or the title having SOLVED in it, or UNSOLVED if there is that) - if you chose the wrong arrow or have changed your mind, about the rating, etc. . You could try sending a PM (Personal Message) to a forum moderator, e.g. OtheHill, to see if they can do what you want to fix.
(At the top right of this topic, underneath Your Tracked Posts/Messages, click on xxx Private Messages, scroll to the bottom of the page and send a PM to OtheHill. )

There used to be two things you could click on - one for rating the post - the other for reporting an offensive post (one in which there is abusive or offensive language, or that has other text that is breaking the rules you are required to adhere to in order to post on this web site - e.g. you can't point to or mention anything that's illegal).

Rules of this web site...
http://www.computing.net/rules.html

The new Report icon and associated up and down arrow seems to do only the former. If so, the Report label should be Rating, or better still Rate This, or Rate Post, or similar, not Report.


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#8
October 9, 2011 at 13:18:28
When you select "best answer", the word [Solved] then appears ahead of the post title. It can't be undone but most helpers tend to disregard it, so I doubt it will keep them away.


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