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April 1, 2010 at 01:25:24
Specs: Windows XP pro sp2, duocore 2.8GH/2GB
Dear All my winXP pro archive and folder system is beginning to get the upper hand.

My issue
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Where is what put, and how, in the XP filing instructions?

Everytime I down load a new program for installation it get buried in some remote nook of documents and settings.
That was fine when I only had to or three applications running.

But now, maybe 8 years into XP, maybe after 3 re-installations induced by hostile virus, the folders within folders become triplicated as each knew startup name is invented by XP.

The saving thing
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When it comes to storing a file or saving some process result, you are automatically presented with a deep down "my documents".
By dint of a series of mouse clicks you can eventually rise up through the filing system and get to the listing of c:\.
Back in familiar territory you can than save your file to c:\foods\dairy_products\cheese_pest_ protection\mousetraps\electronic\deathray.htm

So how do I solve the pigheadedness of XP putting things where it thinks they should go and replace with my piteous desire to store downloads in a simple c:\DloadZipsPrgs?

Equally when an installation is started, it always offers to bury itself in the depth of documents and settings.

So how do I tell XP not to save/install to documents and settings

and not to save every result to my documents?

PS apart from being annoying it is a great time waster.

As Bono says "I still haven't found what I am looking for"

Help and Bye ( Me, not U2 :-)


Fred
Madrid




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#1
April 1, 2010 at 06:41:50
Is this an April one joke ?

SuatCINI


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#2
April 1, 2010 at 08:08:51
Dear SuatCINI,
I wish it were, obviously you still have your head above the flood-waters of incoming waves of information..

My only ambition is that downloaded things are in a folder, immediately visible when you list the C: drive.

And things written are either in the application's own directory or in a C: drive work folder, in my case I use c:\mywrk\xxx.

But no, when the going gets rough, winXP dives into the lowest of maybe 10 sublevels to hide what ever you are looking for....
For example, if I'm looking for something here...

C:\Documents and Settings\Freddy.ERA-C6735181A89\Mis documentos\Downloads\Driver Whiz\etc\

It's hard work
1. Locating the file
2. Just keying in the correct path.

So, Yes today is April the first, but in Spain the joke day is
29th December , santos inocentes.

Also if you don't like flying on Friday the 13th,
you can always look for a Spanish airline, because the Spanish "bad luck day" Is Tuesday 13th.

But getting back to my original plea.
"I still haven't found what I'm looking for"

Bye and thanks
Fred



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#3
April 1, 2010 at 09:20:50
Windows tends to save to the last location you saved to.

Simplist way of addressing this issue is create a folder on the desktop called Internet Downloads.

It is easy when saving a file to go to the very top of the save as list to DESKTOP. Clicking on here shows your Internet Downloads desktop folder.

My experience is after a few times of doing so windows defaults to my internet downloads desktop folder. Being on the desktop makes it easy to find.


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#4
April 1, 2010 at 11:26:27
hi i did my best to follow ur tongue twister dilemna.
I have an idea i hope it works.
After 8 yrs u still have all ur downloads on file?
For your Work?
3x reinstallations by Virus attack.
Wndws puts things where it wants?

Ok try this.
Download allyour Programme Files and Downloads to Bluetooth or CD good Label so you know what is what.
I find it best to stay away from the C and D drives unless necessary to open them.
You did not say what Security System you run or do you only have Windows protection?
Possibly after 8 yrs there is a virus in the C somewhere that is opened when you open it.
You might need to download a Security system progrmme to run through everything.
System Optimizer http://www.systweak.com/ is a good system the paid one does all delete the free one partial altho it gives an idea of what u need to do.
Also run an mrt.exe scan.
Defragment your C and D drives.
How uncluttered ur PC is the better it runs.
Backups regular scans mimimum dloads try it.
April fool is for fools what day is it ... Today.
Have a good one.
Downloads always go to Doc and Settings.
Defrag and a good security system help me keep my book files and dloads etc in order
Good luck


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#5
April 1, 2010 at 11:47:29
Yes, I'd agree partly with the idea that windows senses when you want to put file x frequently in a specific location, but only up to a point. .

Today I updated MPlab to V 8.46 and guess where it started looking for my assembler and project files No prize, it opened up my documents.

Basically I'm asking, has windows got a hardwired route, or a default set of paths based on my documents and the other way saveInstall/download ... to Documents and settings?

Why do I say this apart from the visible placings? Well although my winXP is written in Spanish, it is Spanish up to a point.
Once you start looking at classic folders that come when you install windows, I find that e.g. Documents and Settings translate into Spanish as Documents and settings.

I read into this that there is a core set of routines which some good guru may be able to rewrite.

My son says with certain logic, drop XP and install the new windows 7.

I will someday but the rub at the moment is that many of my power programs don't work under 7. . A friend told me that his HP printer doesn't run under windows 7 and asked if I knew where to find drivers...

But thanks for the suggestion Wanderer.

Bye and thanks
Fred
Madrid Spain


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#6
April 1, 2010 at 12:02:03
Many Thanks KiwiPc, yes all good sound advice.

Every day I run spybot and adaware as well as AVG while I have breakfast and then do some a spot of Dog Walking. ( Full scans)

I only use bluetooth to update my sms stuff, for bigger files I find it terribly slow.

Yes I do an external copy to my memory dongle, 16GB maybe once a week.

Copying anything to a CD frightens me, especially when you code, maybe with blowfish for security.

I don't know why but a lot of people seem to think that once it is on the CD it is protected by nobody, not even me myself
being able to restore or decrypt.

Bye and thanks as well
Fred


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#7
April 1, 2010 at 13:27:09
Reading between the (interminable) lines, I am guessing you actually mean browser downloads (i.e.: IE). You could have stated that at the very first, in one line. Neither "Windows", nor "XP" download files, except for Updates.

"Save target as.." becomes a "Save as...", dialogue box showing where it will download, but gives you the option to change the save-location.and even the name of the file you are downloading. "It's hard work." HUH???

I agree with an earlier responder. re.:"8 years into XP, maybe after 3 re-installations induced by hostile virus, the folders within folders become triplicated as each knew startup name is invented by XP." is a sure indication you are not paying attention, and not following "best practice" procedures, which, by now, one would expect should have become evident.

Simple Solution: pay attention.

Simple Result: a lot less work and confusion.


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#8
April 1, 2010 at 14:50:29
Not my day is it.
First I'm accused of being a joker, then a joker accuses me of being careless.

You thought I said
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Reading between the (interminable) lines, I am guessing you actually mean browser downloads (i.e.: IE). You could have stated that at the very first, in one line. Neither "Windows", nor "XP" download files, except for Updates.
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Nice jab with interminable. Actually I find IE too dangerous to use, better seamonkey or firefox

Next you ramble about ????
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"Save target as.." becomes a "Save as...", dialogue box showing where it will download, but gives you the option to change the save-location.and even the name of the file you are downloading. "It's hard work." HUH???
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Don't see what you are trying to get across but it sounds good.

Your last shot
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I agree with an earlier responder. re.:"8 years into XP, maybe after 3 re-installations induced by hostile virus, the folders within folders become triplicated as each knew startup name is invented by XP." is a sure indication you are not paying attention, and not following "best practice" procedures, which, by now, one would expect should have become evident.
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Well, that really floored me, sounds a bit like my old army sergeant telling us to believe that electrons are blue., protons are red ... why... because I said so.

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I scanned all of this reply looking for something useful, alas not to be.

But for what it's worth. Normally when you download a prg, it comes in two flavours, OOps I've overlooked that it is seamonkey who downloads and not oneself. Sorry

Flavour one, an .exe

You tickle it with a shampoo, just in case it aint what it is supposed to be. E.g install 5spice and it spews its guts all over the place. Then you have to look for those nice little demo circuits... where??'

Flavour two,
You can also download a zip, which can hold an installation program. Well you should really shampoo the zip before opening it.

I think I vaguely saw that in the reply from the last 'responder'... such a quaint word....it was said that you are offered a choice of where to dump the contents.
Half true.

Many programs work fine if you let them pick their own installation nest. If you become impatient , redirect them to a place of your choice, then they start bitching that they can't find myneeded.dll.

So as I said in the beginning, best let them do their thing and
either make a link to the business part of the program that has just installed itself.
or locate all the bits and pieces one by one and list them for a program like COA then of course offer the reunited flock a brand new home

Many times they refuse to be relocated, but it is worth a try.

Just in case you think I'm mad do a google search, sorry
key into Google. " Simple bike computer"
You should see a picture of me on my bike with my dogs

It will give you an idea of my universe.

Many thanks to you all, it has been fun, but really as I feel we are getting nowhere, maybe best to shut down this rather unproductive chat.

I mean I think that as you think I'm clueless... pearls before swine etc
Bye :-))
Fred


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#9
April 1, 2010 at 17:52:18
If you are using Firefox you can specify where the actual downloads are saved to, in Tools > Options > General.

When you "install a program" it is a different matter and best to run with wherever it puts it. It is almost always in Program Files and it usually tells you during the install.


What's the time?


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#10
April 2, 2010 at 02:17:54
Derek , Yes, I agree completely, and Yes I also use Firefox especially for the feature you indicate.

Once downloaded I use an installation tracker
something like A-shampoo before the next step....

... open and install goodies.exe.

This is where we lose control.
The program installation can be anywhere.
As you say many programs in fact today almost all installation packages offer the Browse option for your choice of folder.

As I mentioned in a previous bout ...
if you have chosen somewhere that stops or impairs the new program using its dll finding path then.... ***end of the road.

You indicated Program Files as a possible destination folder.

Fine with me because :-
* it is directly visible in the intitial directory list ( many people use Folder list)
* it is at a reasonably high level for quick mouse click access on my C or D drives.

*** For those of our brethern who may wonder if this is possible.
I would hasten to point out as a minor programmer myself.

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A computer does what you programmed it to do
Not what you THOUGHT you programmed it to do.
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Just look at the windows up-date and patch lists... not all are anti_virus

So at this point, I'm dropping out of the thread , off to ride my
bike, and maybe fix my 5000km chain's habit of jumping off problem, I suspect my derailleur is wonky.

Bye Fred

PS Why do I ride a bike? My small contribution to saving the planet.


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