All downloads (internet and lan) corrupt when written to hd.

January 6, 2012 at 02:30:50
Specs: Windows XP
Ok my friend built the computer I am currently using back in 2005. (Yes time for an upgrade, but its still kicking lol) Since then i have upgraded the processor from AMD Sempron 1.6ghz to an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2ghz (still single core). Now i was still having my problem before that, just fyi. 2 Gigs of ram. 400gb hd (used when purchased). ATI radeon x1550 256MB video card. (All the stuff listed previously is stuff i put in since i got it from my friend)I am pretty sure it was having the issue when he owned it as well, so thus far..nothing i have done, did it. My problem is like this.. IE downloads, firefox downloads, lan ethernet torrent to torrent downloads, ftp downloads, they all corrupt. I have only been able to manage it this long because i found a trick :) I have a laptop i use to download something i plan on installing (for example a game). I install it on the laptop, then i ftp the whole directory to myself through ethernet. In order to get it to run though, i would then have to create a torrent of the exact same directory and send it to myself that way i can utilize the torrent clients "force recheck" option. The client would then repair any corrupt data not matched to the original .tor file. However there is some stuff i really need to install on this computer itself. Simply transferring the directory doesn't always work. (the registry files always get left behind in that case). Something suspicious though... awhile back when i used to play WoW, i couldn't get it to install for the life of me. For some reason i decided to reboot into safe mode. Low and behold (granted it was really slow installing in safe mode) it actually completed! I was like..that doesn't make sense. The only thing i could think of it is..perhaps a driver that isn't being loaded in safe mode is what the issue is in regular mode? Even if i download a .rar or .zip and recheck with torrent from laptop, if im lucky i can get them to extract, however the contents inside become corrupt. I am more then willing to cooperate any information anyone needs to help me resolve this. My laptops hard drive is only 55 gigs and this desktop is 400. It's a pain having to install/delete games and other software on my laptop, just to get them working on here. Any help or advice is appreciated, Thanks

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#1
January 6, 2012 at 03:56:19
Download and run memtest86. as well as hard drive diagnostics.

You have shown remarkable patience & perseverance to have tolerated this since 2005. I would have binned the whole thing by 2006.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#2
January 6, 2012 at 12:22:10
believe it or not i did both of those after making the post :) i used seatools since my hard drive is seagate, and memtest came back clean as well. even did the long scan for the hdd. like i said previously both of these were replaced since i got it, and i had the problem even before that, so hmmm. also i went into safe mode last night and did some file transfer tests. used a 700mb file off one of the games i played to do some testing. i transferred it from my laptop to my desktop with each stick in each different slot. still had the corruption. tried it in safe mode. ftp'd to a flash drive instead of my hard drive to test it. (im sure it had page filing going on cuz it still showed corruption on that too..idk exactly how it works). then i had the idea to send the file FROM my desktop back to my laptop (after i repaired it fully) and there was absolutely no corruption. i Then learned the only time something corrupts is when its being written to my hard drive. Is that important? could it possibly mean that my hard drive is the victim? even on a long generic scan of the hard drive that took around 2 hours..it came back as "pass". so im sort of confused as of what to think lol.

EDIT: i forgot to add, even though i was having problems before this..the 2 hard drives i have replaced in it since then are both used. if in fact it IS the hdd, perhaps i was just very unlucky getting one that was good? :/


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#3
January 6, 2012 at 13:37:36
Easy way to test the drives would be in either another PC or an external enclosure attached to your laptop.

Is the drive IDE or SATA? 80 wire IDE cables are very susceptible to damage which can cause the kind of problems you have.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#4
January 6, 2012 at 14:57:35
That test might be what i end up having to do. seeing as how i can't really get my dekstop hard drive to work on my laptop, i might end up sticking my laptops hdd on my desktop. then if things work out..it would sort of give it away that thats the problem. Both of my pc's use sata. however how the hard drive fits in the laptop, the only way to hook up one to the other would be the desktop cables. however you mentioned that i might have an issue with the cables themselves? i would like to agree, however as i stated before..uploading files to the flash drive and laptop work just fine. now corret me if im wrong, but i think i use the exact same cables to upload as i would to download. thus why i am more leaning towards it just being a faulty hard drive. unless the cables have wires in them that use certain wires for reading and certain for writing? that could be the only thing i know that would make it where the cables are in fact bad. let me know :)

i did data recovery awhile back (im sure i should of mentioned this awhile back) and so i have to ask, does data recovery ruin the hard drive? in case that IS in fact the case, im doing a slow format on the disk right now and installing windows 7. (eww windows 8 looks terrible..lol) so i will post how that goes as well. I mentioned slow format because on all of my windows xp installations i have always selected quick format ntfs. and was curious if possibly THAT was the issue? i mean..why would the slow format option even be there if it didn't play some role. Thanks


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#5
January 6, 2012 at 17:03:58
It seems your problem is only with writing to the HDD. Writing to a flashdrive does not involve the same cables unless you have very limited ram and the data is first written to pagefile before making it to the HDD. SATA cables are not expensive and it would be another diagnostic step taken to swap out yours for a new one. If the problem isn't the drive and isn't the cable then that leaves only the motherboard. If you are having write issues what makes you believe you will successfully perform a full format and re-install of the operating system? Surely either the format will fail or the operating system will be corrupted from the outset.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#6
January 6, 2012 at 17:44:22
ohh i normally don't have an issue when it comes to installing a new operating system, and if i do..one of the files i don't use is probably the victim because i never notice anything faulty while using the OS except of course my original problem to begin with, which is downloads. which come to think of it...if only my downloads are affected, could it be my network card? or perhaps anything networking on my computer alltogether. because even ethernet ftp's corrupt, same with wireless downloads. im so close to upgrading my computer to begin with, i just hoped maybe i would finally be able to solve the issue and have it as a backup or to the side for some extra tasks. but i might not be able to get it working after all.

EDIT: ok after changing os to win 7, the install went fine. got my ftp software setup to transfer a file, and still the same issue. i had my doubts deep inside the issue would be resolvd, however i am surprised the os installed at all. after sending myself the same 700mb file, 1.6% of it was corrupt. that doesn't count the hard drive out though.


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#7
January 7, 2012 at 16:30:46
ok no replies..doesn't matter was kind of thinking this was going to be a bust. 9 times out of 10 instead of trying to find a solution people just give up like "ohh well" >.> ..thanks for trying even though most of your posts repeated what mine said rofl. ill just deal with the issue until i update my pc. thanks

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#8
January 7, 2012 at 16:55:22
It is difficult to help diagnose a problem without "hands-on".

Does the system have only the one inbuilt NIC? Do you have a spare PCI slot you could put a second NIC in? You can pick up a 10/100 NIC for a few $$ and that may resolve the issue for you. Again if you are getting similar results from both wired & wireless NICs this may not help. I don't know enough about how a system handles data from the various inputs.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#9
January 7, 2012 at 18:07:01
yeah i understand the "hands on" aspect..i would suck at tech support rofl. ok let's try to figure this out, ill throw up some of the process of elimination things.

first we know its not the hard drive (it did the same thing to the hard drive on the laptop when i booted up windows on it)

we know its not the ram, them are brand new sticks, not to mention they worked fine in a different pc.

it's not the graphics card, i had a backup video card and it still had the same issue.

its not the network card, i totally disabled onboard, then wireless and still same issue. (to test those i just sent the file from flash to hard drive and it corrupted)

it's not usb because downloads do it.

it could possibly be:

power supply
processor
motherboard.

the motherboard is k8m8ms. do you recall hearing anything about corrupt issues with this motherboard?

i have tested another processor in there and it still had the same issue, but that doesn't mean its not the processor, because it could be motherboard/processor combo, who knows. any thing else come to mind you need to know or any suggestions? thank you for stickin up with me lol. im a pain i know.


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#10
January 7, 2012 at 18:59:56
Have you done a test of transferring a file by LAN from the laptop to the PC with the destination being flashdrive in the PC rather than harddrive? Does the file corrupt or transfer clean? (large files may still corrupt if pagefile comes into play)
That would eliminate the network card or network processing components of the motherboard leaving only the motherboard SATA controller or SATA cable. I don't know whether the same wires in the cable are used for both reading & writing.

Do you get any kind of corruption if you boot up in Safemode with networking?
Have you installed motherboard chipset drivers?

I'm clutching at straws now.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#11
January 7, 2012 at 19:06:25
i am currently transferring a file from my laptop to my desktops flash drive through ftp. ill verify corrupt data with recheck via utorrent after that completes. as far as sata controller/sata cables ...it did this when i had an ide hard drive as well. so i highly doubt its the cables or sata drivers. perhaps the chipset drivers like you mentioned? how does that work? yes i still get corrupt data in safe mode and safe mode /w net. hmmm ..ill do a EDIT soon.


EDIT: as promised..yes there is still corruption when i send to my flash via ftp from laptop. and as far as page filing goes, i doubt i used it at all. i have 2 gigs of ram and the file was only 630 megs.


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#12
January 7, 2012 at 19:33:32
You are now running Win7 on a system with how much ram? The board takes maximum 2gb but you haven't told us what you've got. Win7 uses a lot of ram so even on a "small" file of 630mb it may still use pagefile. I asked about FTP from laptop to PC/flashdrive not the other way.

http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/motherb...

The chipset drivers are for Win2K and XP32bit. Presume you installed 32bit Win7.
The XP driver may function

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#13
January 7, 2012 at 19:39:12
i did send the file from the laptop to the desktop, i followed your directions on that part. and as far as the pagefiling..remember i tried this on xp too? 2 gigs is more then enough for xp and having 600 megs to spare. and task manager says i have 1.2 gigs of ram left over right now even with all my programs running on 7. (im installing a game right now) however the game will be corrupt when its done so ill just repair it from laptop like usual. ill take a look at the drivers.

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#14
January 7, 2012 at 19:50:29
ok i downloaded the lan driver (it was newer then the one i got) and the chipset driver, however neither of them are compatible with windows 7. they are installed however...just versions that are compatible with 7. now i did look through forums before starting this thread, and i did read somewhere that an old bios can be the victim. and i noticed there is the .bin file i need on that site you linked as well as the utility to do it. i was going to go ahead and reboot and see if the bios i have is from the same date. what are your suggestions?

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#15
January 7, 2012 at 19:57:13
Read the BIOS releasenotes first. Unless it specifically addresses an issue you have then I would hold off. BIOS flashing is the most dangerous thing you can do. If it goes wrong you can turn the motherboard into a doorstop. that might not be an issue for you since you seem to have eliminated all the other possibilities. Motherboard replacement seems to be the last resort.

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#16
January 7, 2012 at 20:08:58
ill go ahead and double check the release notes. yeah it would be pretty much the only thing i could do anyways. i mean other then the bios, theres nothing else i can really try. i dont want to buy a power supply...i would just start getting stuff to build a new one instead of that. everything else i've tested. yeah i know how touchy bios updates are. luckily the one provided by that site is from the manufacturer and it uses their utility. no reason for it not to work. i did paperweight a motherboard a LONG long time ago when i used to have to search around for bios's. but seeing as how this one is for this mobo and published by the manufacturer's, my bet is its safe. plus its the bios that can be taken out so not all is lost :) my current bios is from 7/15/2005 or 7/19, i forget, let me go ahead and read up on the bios on the site you linked

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#17
January 8, 2012 at 14:03:56
does it matter that it only happens when the file written or extracted or downloaded etc is a certain size? like it doesn't happen when the file is say for example under 100 megs. but it does if it exceeds it. have you heard of that happening? when i think back, i don't recall it happening on files under 100 megs. possibly even up to 200, hmmm

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#18
January 9, 2012 at 09:52:34
i have a question about it..is it possible that my power supply not accurately giving my hard drive or motherboard the correct power doing it? i turned on my computer today and since my graphics card uses a fan i have to have power connected to it. well it came up with the error about power not being plugged in, i opened my case and it WAS plugged in, now luckily simply switching what plug was plugged into it fixed it, but do you think power is being distributed properly? maybe thats my problem. hmmm

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#19
January 10, 2012 at 02:07:57
The file size thing hints that your ram might after all be the problem.
do you know the exact specifications of the ram you have installed? Things such as CAS latency, Timings etc. You may need to inspect the label on the stick to get that information then check a www.crucial.com for their recommendation. The motherboard manual doesn't seem to be specific enough. You said you ran memtest86. Did you run at least one complete pass on each stick individually then again with both sticks in place? Do you have access to other ram you might be able to test?

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#20
January 10, 2012 at 08:17:46
i don't have access to other ram i could test. however because i thought this was the problem before, i switched my ram out for the ram i have in there now. and i got it from a perfectly working computer. i don't see how it could be the problem. not saying it's not, it just surprises me that it could be. does it matter that one is kingston and one is crucial? perhaps mixing them would do it? my screen flickered the other day, and it appears as if im having trouble with my power supply. is corruption a sign of a bad power supply? perhaps the hard drive isn't getting enough power to write properly.

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#21
January 10, 2012 at 19:17:08
ok heres my final post. On my father's computer..he only goes on facebook, and 1 game he plays on there. as well as craigslist and anything else. he rarely if ever downloads something. and never anything over say..20 megabytes. so here's what i did.i swapped him my motherboard and of course the processor seeing as how his board was intel (eww) and mine was amd. so anyways, the only thing we swapped is the motherboard and cpu i stil got my same ram, graphics card, sound card, hard drive, the works. now i didn't check to see if he had corruption, but im guessing since i don't..doesnt that mean it was the motherboard? because remember i tolde you i swapped out my cpu and same problem? i had an amd sempron 2800+ layin around so i swapped that back in a couple days ago and still same issue, now with all my same hardware and only difference this time is the mobo..im guessing thats the obvious issue at hand :) at any rate i want to thank you for racking your brain with me, i really do appreciate it.

Steven


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#22
January 11, 2012 at 01:30:26
You're welcome. The forum Mods can now mark this one solved. The Mobo was flakey from brand new.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#23
January 13, 2012 at 14:05:32
quit question before we close out, i went ahead and swapped back..i prefer my amd and now that i knew what the problem was it wasn't as big of a deal. but here's what i did. i disabled flash-write protect in the bios, went ahead and updated my bios from A10 to A13 (a few months newer) and i don't think it corrupts now. plus when i got to my desktop it was installing ATA 133. i think thats the chipset driver that supports serial ATA if im not mistaken. any thoughts on why it could be working all of a sudden with a simple bios update? i transferred a 630MB file and no corruption so far. so im downloading a 5gig game ill be playing and seeing if it will install without flaw.

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#24
January 13, 2012 at 16:52:54
Perhaps there is something in the BIOS releasenotes that might lead to the answer. Some mention of either drive controller or memory controller might be the clue

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#25
January 15, 2012 at 21:01:29
ok last post, everything is working great. Same hardware i had when i originally posted, only difference is..simple bios update. using the given jetway site, i was able to make a boot cd and update the bios. from version k8m8ms A10 to A13 all my corrupt problems were solved. Thank you for helping me, cheers :)

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