Transfer data from NT to XP

July 16, 2009 at 17:40:19
Specs: Windows NT 4.0, PIII / 500 MB
Win NT *gasp* problem

I have an old Win NT box (4.0) that is connected to a microscope. I have a lot of data on it that I cannot seem to burn onto a CD drive. Unfortunately, this computer is not connected to my the LAN at work (or maybe this is a fortunate situation?), so I cannot just transfer my files to any other networked XP machine via the network. Also, because Microsoft does not support USB in WinNT, I cannot just plug an external HD to it. Many of the software work-arounds (to my knowledge) for enabling USB on WinNT will only support mice, keyboards, printers, and Pocket PC cradles, and NOT external HDs.

The specs on the box are:
-WinNT 4.0
-500 MB memory
-4 GB SCSI primary drive (OS and program here)
-30 GB SCSI slave drive (data stored here)
-SCSI CD burner (4x) – The software has been buggy lately, and will not burn any more CDs

I could not find an IDE port inside, but I haven’t really looked too hard. I was told there was one, but is hard to find because it may be “hidden” by all the wires (thick SCSI cables, etc.).

What are the alternatives to getting my files out? Some of the things I’ve considered are:

-Using a stand-alone router (not connected to the LAN) and using this to transfer files from this computer to another with XP Pro (laptop). I only have experience with this on Win2K and WinXP machines, and not on WinNT. Is this feasible? If so, any suggestions as to what network configs on NT I should change?

-Installing FTP clients on NT and XP machines, and use router (not networked to LAN) to transfer from NT to XP.

-Installing FTP clients on NT and XP machines, and use LAN to transfer files. This may be problematic, since my work does not “allow” FTP clients to be installed on any machine that is plugged into the work LAN. I can’t even have Opera installed on any of my machines?!

My laptop specs are:
Lenovo Thinkpad
WinXP Pro / Intel Core 2 Duo T8300
100 GB HD
10/100/1000 Network

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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July 17, 2009 at 10:36:20
Installing FTP clients on both computers will not solve your problem, because you need an FTP server software on one computer, so that you can connect to it to transfer files in any direction.

You can also use a crossover cable to connect the laptop directly to the NT machine.
If you can share a folder at the laptop, it should be possible to connect the NT machine via Windows Network Client and copy the files you need to.

Please send a reply, if you solved the problem !!!

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July 18, 2009 at 03:12:26
Expanding on "paulsep's" second line...

Presuming the laptop and the NT PC each have a network adapter (NIC) installed and correctly configured?

Cross-over cable between the two systems; create an account on the NT PC for the XP laptop; use the same logon/password etc. you use on the XP laptop for its "new" account on the NT PC. Similary also create an account on the XP laptop for the NT system (again use same/logon/password as used on the NT PC for its "new" account on the XP PC).

Once you're in on both systems... simply enable file-share on NT PC. Then access sed folders/files via XP and copy them across...; or access folders/files on NT system directly and copy them to a new location on the XP laptop....

Another approach: remove NT drive and install in an adapter (EIDE/SCSI - USB) so that it is then accessible via a USB connection from the XP PC...? Adapter is readily availale for a modest cost and is a useful item to have around these days?

Once you have them on laptop... burn a set of CDs for them (maybe even two sets)?

In either route - very wise NOT to cut 'n paste; do a strict copy routine... That way if anything goes awry or appears to get lost in the process... it's still on the NT system regardless?

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July 23, 2009 at 11:59:19
@paulsep - thank you for the crossover cable tip. i purchased one online and now waiting for it to come.

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July 23, 2009 at 12:03:51
@trvlr - thank you for the clear and detailed tutorial on how to set up a crossover connection. i am waiting for my crossover cable to arrive (ordered @ CDW)... results still pending...

my experience with setting up network connections (and not crossover connection) is strictly limited to xp and linux, and therefore do not know how to configure an nt-xp crossover. do i need to change/setup the domain for the nt box as well (ie. match it up with my xp laptop?), or does this not matter for nt networking?

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July 23, 2009 at 12:21:51
Both computers should belong to the same domain or workgroup, otherwise the windows network will not find each other computer.

If you would like to transfer the data via FTP, domain or workgroup doesn't matter. Here both computers needs an ip address, that belongs to the same subnet.

Please send a reply, if you solved the problem !!!

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July 23, 2009 at 22:14:59
The only difference between a network for 2 PCs when using a cross-over cable and not using a cross-over cable is that when not using one... one uses a hub...

Any 2 PC "network" can be either via a cross-over cable - or a hub (and then one use standard/straight-through cat-5 or 6 cables).

3 PCs (when networked) traditionally use a hub; but it can be done another way - not that it's done that way generally...; and if more than 3 involved then a hub is logically the way to go...; and in some situations even a router.

Re' networking setup in terms of workgroup/domains etc... "Paulsep" has touched on the workgroup/domian requirements... And to expand slightly there... Same rules etc. that apply to a network that (only) involves any of M$ windows OS apply equally a mix of windows and any other OS (Linux/Mac). As long as you are using a common protocol and the "favourite" of course is usually tcp/ip... then it's all standard stuff.

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July 24, 2009 at 13:48:41

I got a workable setup going, using a spare router. I took an old Netgear router with DHCP enabled. I connected both computers using RJ-45 cables.

On XP laptop:
I checked the network settings on my laptop (XP Pro), and changed the network membership from DOMAIN to WORKGROUP set as "DATA" (just in case there are conflicts due to work network settings).

On NT Workstation:
1. Under Network Neighborhood > Right click > Properties > Identification Tab > set Workgroup to DATA (requires restart)
2. Under Network Neighborhood > Right click > Properties > Protocols Tab > TCP/IP Protocol Properties > select Obtain IP Address from DHCP Server (requires restart)
3. Shared Folder > Right click > Properties > Sharing Tab >
a) click New Share > create Share Name (sharedata)
b) click Permissions > select "Full Control"

With this setup, my XP can see the shared folder (sharedata) on the NT, but the NT cannot see the XP machine at all. This is fine, as long as I am able to transfer data.

I am actually looking forward to getting the crossover cables now, and see if (with the same settings) I can bypass the router connection and just connect the computers together and transfer the data between computers.

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July 25, 2009 at 11:56:00
NT system requires a user-account on XP system to see/access XP drive(s)... Create an account on XP for the NT system - using the same logon/password you use to logon to NT system for the account on XP system...

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July 26, 2009 at 20:50:18
@trvlr - thank you for your last post. sure enough, it worked like a charm. Now my NT system can access the shared drive on my XP laptop. luckily, I used a laptop so that I was able to bounce between systems.

for future reference, XP Pro did not need an account for the on the NT system - it prompted for the logon/password for an account with admin rights, and my XP laptop was able to see/access the shared drive on NT.

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