window 98 2nd editon

April 13, 2010 at 16:53:32
Specs: Windows XP
i have a laptop that im tryin to download the window 98 2nd edition to it but it keeps on sayin error and i was wondering if there was and i want a copy of the window 98 2nd edition can anyone help me please

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#1
April 13, 2010 at 17:29:34
"im tryin to download the window 98 2nd edition'
Does this mean you are attempting to install windows 98?

larry


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#2
April 13, 2010 at 19:02:06
Attempting to install 98 on a machine that already has XP on it? Or what?

More information please...

Skip


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#3
April 13, 2010 at 21:58:24
it doesnt have any windows on it but it had windows 98 2nd edition on it and im tryin to find a program that where i can install it back on there so that i can get it workin i got it off a friend and i didnt think it would be this hard to find a program for it cause all it says is error when i turn it on and it will not bring up anything on it so could u please help thanks

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#4
April 13, 2010 at 22:00:32
i need a website that i can burn a cd off of

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#5
April 14, 2010 at 09:42:40
You got what 'off a friend'--a 98 install disk or something else? If it's a regular 98 installation disk you shouldn't be having any problems. If you're not sure what you've got, post back what is written on the disk. Is the cdrom set as the first boot device in cmos/bios setup?

What exactly is the error message you're getting?

How fast is your CPU and how much ram do you have in it?

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#6
April 14, 2010 at 10:41:29
You need a boot floppy & the CD. Boot off the floppy to load the CD-ROM drivers, then run Win98 setup from DOS. If you can't borrow a CD from anyone, try the torrents. ISOHUNT.com is a good place to search. You'll need a bittorrent client such as utorrent & a program such as ImgBurn to burn the ISO file to disc.

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#7
April 14, 2010 at 11:01:23
i got a laptop from a friend im tryin to get it running again i dont have anyone to borrow a cd from thats why im tryin to get one off the internet i dont have a floppy drive so is there any other way i can do this what im tryin to do is download the program unto my desktop and put on a cd so that i can use it to put it on my laptop I dont have a disk of any kind im tryin to download it and i need to know a site to download it from

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#8
April 14, 2010 at 11:26:30
Have you checked ebay:

http://desc.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_n...

Well anyway, did you try jam's suggestion in # 6?

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#9
April 22, 2010 at 09:02:13
"it doesnt have any windows on it but it had windows 98 2nd edition on it and im tryin to find a program that where i can install it back on there so that i can get it workin i got it off a friend and i didnt think it would be this hard to find a program for it cause all it says is error when i turn it on and it will not bring up anything on it so could u please help thanks"

If you need a Windows 98SE CD, browse some of the torrent sites and find one. For the most part this is legal, because you need the license number to actually use the CD. About as far as I'm going on this one!

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#10
June 17, 2010 at 09:12:15
"...i dont have a floppy drive so is there any other way i can do this"

Contrary to popular belief, Windows 98 CDs are bootable. A floppy drive is only needed if your computer does not support booting from a CD (generally only 486s and first-gen Pentiums). Any computer that came with Windows 98 should boot from a CD.


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#11
June 20, 2010 at 03:34:15
Only OEM 98 CDs are bootable. Retail versions are NOT. I've never understood the why of it, but my retail full version is not bootable leading to the popular belief no doubt.

Lee


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#12
June 23, 2010 at 18:26:21
I find that very hard to believe, especially for SE CDs. Many laptops around that time didn't even come with a floppy drive standard, making booting from CD the only installation option. Plus it wouldn't make sense to ship the OEM discs with a bootloader but not retail. I suspect your issue is either in your configuration of your BIOS, or the BIOS possibly has a bug in it; an update may help.

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#13
June 24, 2010 at 06:59:49
idis

melee5 is correct, believe it.

Remember that if you were dealing with a laptop it would have come with Windows already installed and any OS disks supplied would be OEM type.

The issue had more to do with the limitations of the BIOSes of the day.

Plus, when Win98se was released, most computers DID come with floppy drives. Floppy drives were only eliminated as standard hardware after they were no longer required for installation.


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#14
June 24, 2010 at 09:31:42
Yeah, although the OEM cd's were bootable most came with a floppy bootdisk as the bios option to boot from cd wasn't universal yet.

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#15
June 25, 2010 at 01:47:11
@OtheHill

Again, that makes no sense. Laptops even before 98SE often didn't have floppy drives. Why would Microsoft needlessly exclude something that would stop even one potential sale of Windows? Not to mention the very little information I've found on the matter would seem to contradict your claim.


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#16
June 25, 2010 at 02:00:22
I am not going to debate weather or not it made sense. The fact is that retail versions were not bootable.

What little information have you found that contradicts the statements of three responders here?

Are you using an original Win98 CD or a copy? If original, what version is listed on the label?


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#17
June 25, 2010 at 03:22:26
To go further into the realm of I don't believe this, 98 gold was rumored to have been released on floppy disks just like 95 was in it's early release days. This rumor is false since there is a technique whereby anyone can use several special formatting programs to create precisely 1,716,224 free byte sized disks and then just copy the exact same sized 98 gold cab files onto them and make your own set of installation floppies at home or work - MicroSoft does not need to be involved any further, so you can be assured they won't be. Just like you always could do with 95b by the way.

And you can even do it with 98se except they changed the size required to 1,802,240 bytes which turned out to be only possible with very few floppy drives and so it was much harder to do. In order to do these odd sized disks you have to have the formatter only set up one sector for the directory and use 4 sector clusters and on and on with special requirements - but it CAN be done. FDformat at simtel was the only totally free one I found but there is a bunch that can do it supposedly.

They finally gave up this 'floppy' based option with Win ME. And then the boot floppy they sold me with my un-bootable 98se retail CD didn't boot. It kinda left me high centered a bit, at the time I assumed this was the level of MS support at it's best.

Lee


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#18
June 25, 2010 at 08:57:52
The manual that came with retail versions of 98 FE and maybe SE had a coupon you could mail to MS to get floppy installation disks. I've never seen a set of those but I guess they were out there.

Idis, of course old laptops had floppy drives. Where did you get the idea they didn't? There were those that had the swappable bay for either a cdrom or floppy drive. That was about conserving space and not a manufacturing decision that you didn't need a floppy drive. You'd be hard pressed to find a laptop from that era that didn't have floppy capabilities.

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#19
June 25, 2010 at 09:55:08
I have a laptop from that era (which came with NT 4), and it does not support swapping in floppy drives. If you wanted a floppy drive, you had to buy either a USB floppy drive (which the BIOS does not support booting from) or an expensive proprietary one from the manufacturer that connected via an external port. I wouldn't pay an additional $70 for a device I would only need once, and I doubt many others would either. Given that the Windows 98 disc doesn't even come close to filling the capacity of a compact disc, omitting a bootloader was definitely not a space-saving measure.

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#20
June 25, 2010 at 13:09:13
In the case of laptops I don't think I have ever seen a new laptop sold without an operating system pre-installed. Especially not back in the 98 era.

So, most folks buying Windows 98 would have been installing it on a desktop.

People upgrading laptops to 98 would have been going from 95 or 3.1. Those laptops most likely would have came with floppy drives.

Desktops of the day came with floppy drives as standard fair back in 1998.


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#21
June 25, 2010 at 22:01:35
That must be one of the few that didn't have a floppy drive. I can't imagine something like that having any sales appeal. Remember that was back when the removable media we have today didn't exist or was very expensive. Who made the laptop and what was the model number?

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#22
June 25, 2010 at 22:57:12
The tiny little notebooks of that era didn't have any drives and specialty laptops like the super rugged Itronix XC6000 series didn't until Win98Se days when their XC6250 Pro with a 300Mhz processor sprouted one USB port. The Itronix machines I mentioned would only read one specific external floppy drive and no external cd drive like a backpack. Imagine how long one of those would last in rain, hail, or salt spray if they had floppies or cd's that couldn't be sealed against weather, dropping a few feet etc. Stuff like that was used by law enforcement, utility companies, Sears, and so forth. They weren't made for the general public and no one would have paid over $6000 for a 486 laptop anyway. Those dinky little sub notebooks were the only thing I heard of offered to the general public.

Hell Dave, I can transfer the Win98 folder over an interlnk/intersvr connection in about 30 hours...who needs a floppy or cd? ;-)

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#23
June 26, 2010 at 00:23:18
@Dave - I have a couple notebooks like that.

The first one is a Toshiba Satellite Pro T2155CDS. The CD-ROM drive is securely mounted in the chassis, so its definitely not removable, and it does not have an internal floppy, only a dinky little port for an external one. I got it used and can find no documentation for it, so I don't know if it came with a floppy drive by default. I suspect the CD-ROM drive isn't bootable, but it doesn't read discs right anyway, so I can't check.

The second one is a Toshiba Tecra 8000. The CD/DVD drive is swappable, and you can put in a floppy drive, but I've never once seen one sold on eBay with one bundled (it cost extra when new). This was a business-class notebook, but very common.


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#24
June 26, 2010 at 08:01:23
idis

The T2155CDS did have at least an option for an serial external floppy. I would imagine the drive would have been common because the original OS options were for Win 3.11 or Win95.

The Toshiba site does have some info on that model including a user manual, which interestingly enough is broken into two files small enough to fit on floppies. Have a look if you are interested. Link is below.

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/...


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#25
June 26, 2010 at 13:26:43
I know the T2155CDS supports an external floppy; the point is that I don't have one. Windows 98SE would run pretty bad on it anyway; I was just using it as an example. The Tecra 8000 was probably the better example of a computer that commonly didn't have a floppy drive and would have been a realistic target for Windows 98 SE.

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#26
June 26, 2010 at 20:40:05
OK, well I guess they were out there, I just can't imagine anyone buying one back then. Even now one like that would be my last choice. But I don't have much use for laptops. I think my newest (working) one is a 486

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