Unable to install programs or drivers,

Toshiba / Libretto 100ct
May 28, 2009 at 00:50:02
Specs: 98SE, PI 166MHz /32MB
For some annoying reason I cant install any programs or drivers on my little libretto. I get Kernel32.dll errors and "A device attached to the system is not functioning". I have run SFC and it came up with setupx.dll which it replaced to no effect. I re-installed windows on a formatted drive and got the problem again... anyone have any clues?

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#1
May 28, 2009 at 02:10:55
Are you trying to install from a network connection, pcmcia card, external floppy, hdd?

Afraid I have more questions than answers.

Skip


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#2
May 28, 2009 at 07:50:59
I have burnt all the programs and drivers to CD and then install off the CD-ROM (Attached via PCMCIA). Even copying files directly to the HDD as an external drive then installing still wont work. Everything else seems to work OK, no errors or missing file prompts, the inbuilt drivers installed fine and Windows installation went fine.

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#3
June 1, 2009 at 11:36:35
Again more questions than answers, but what's your level of IE version and is this for sure 98se?

My guess would be that your advpack.dll file needs to be at much higher version than it is. WinUP site used to offer a new version of it every other week way back in the day, since IE 6 came out it's been stuck at 6.00.2800.1106 for good it appears. All the other installer engines on my machine have a 4/23/99 date indicating that no newer versions than baseline 98se are used.

Setupx.dll is commonly pointed to as bad but really never is, but it should be manually extracted from Precopy2.cab and used to overwrite the current one in your Windows\System folder just to be sure that it got done - I just don't trust SFC.

Have you run any wild updates like the Kernel32.dll replacement update that allows NT 6 and 7 programs to run on 98 systems?

What have you installed over and above the baseline 98se so far?

Lee


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#4
June 1, 2009 at 12:24:51
Just for info, it's obviously time to post this oldie again:

SFC Can get it wrong

See my collation (#3) and Whitphil's additions (#4).

I think SFC replaces setupx.dll OK on W98SE - it just misreports it.
No harm pulling it out of Precopy as advised tho.

some other bloke...


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#5
June 1, 2009 at 18:45:11
Basically nothing has been installed. The first thing I do is put on drivers but since I cant do that nothing has been installed yet. So I've still got IE5, I'll see if I can upgrade that without errors. Basically its a fresh installation. And yes its definitely 98SE, written both on the CD and in system properties.

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#6
June 2, 2009 at 13:57:00
Hell Matt, I've tried to duplicate the problem on 2 98Se machines...with no luck. I do have a couple of nice clean installs though. :)

Only time I had this particular problem a reinstall solved it. Only other thing was a couple machines gave me trouble with Windows Installer 1.x. Seems like a later version download from MS when doing updates fixed at least one of those. I think the other had L1 and/or L2 cache disabled in BIOS.

I'm sure you've already covered all the bases I can think of.

Like

If any disk overlay, it's is done before formatting
Windows install is done on the laptop? Probably from a folder on the hdd?
Libretto drivers all install OK?
External cd-rom drivers installed OK?

Out of curiousity, will your cd-rom drive boot if you use a 98se or Me startup cd and work with the real mode drivers on a boot disk?

Yeah; more questions. A few years ago I was pulling out my hair over stuff like this and now I'm like a Pentagon General...CRS.

Skip


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#7
June 2, 2009 at 17:45:31
Skip brings up something which reminds me of my early troubles when I didn't know I had serious motherboard DMA deficiencies and other disk problems that tended to cause more than just a couple of buggy Windows installations.

And then I learned to install Windows from the hard drive and that alone fixed 90% of my many problems. If you haven't tried this yet, then please do yet another clean install but this time, do it from the hard drive. And then, if you've got a good Windows installation, you can place the blame on a bad installation of Windows. It smells just like one to me so far.
http://www.windows98.windowsreinstall.com/ and look for "from the hard drive" text to learn this particular twist.

Any joy?

Lee


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#8
June 2, 2009 at 18:24:36
I imagine Matt's thought of that and tried it Lee. Seems like I remember him posting the procedure 5 or 6 years ago when he ran a SlotA Athlon 600? And I was all modern then with a 700Mhz Duron and Voodoo3 3000.

Still, it's the only way to fly when installing on many old laptops like a friends 100Mhz/24Mb Toshiba.

There are other ways too. Like an Interlnk/Intersvr serial connection. That 98se install only took ~30 hours. :O

At this point in time, I'm all for paving the road and reinstalling too. Just cant think of anything else.

Skip


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#9
June 2, 2009 at 18:50:44
aww, alright. One more fresh installation, Will have to do it tomorrow though as my boss has called me in early to work 12:30 to 9:30. I will have more time tomorrow as I should have plenty of spare time.

"Seems like I remember him posting the procedure 5 or 6 years ago when he ran a SlotA Athlon 600? And I was all modern then with a 700Mhz Duron and Voodoo3 3000."

Hahah, I remember that PC, The motherboard gave out a year or two ago. Anyways, I'll do another fresh install off the HDD and see how it goes. 3rd time lucky....

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#10
June 3, 2009 at 08:18:17
Tried installing IE6 - didnt install
Tried fresh install of 98SE - went smooth, went to install VGA driver..... Kernel32.dll error, and "a device attached to the system is not functioning"

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#11
June 4, 2009 at 17:20:41
Can you get more than 32 Megabytes of RAM for this thing? I don't think that's nearly enough, I would also set a minimum swap drive size of 500 megs until you can it some RAM to work with. Wow - 166? When you get it running right will it even be able to print stamps for snail mail? Maybe 95 would be a better choice?

Just like operating systems, IE installs best from the hard drive. Try it again until it takes. Just remember to manually check each checkbox for every item installed or the files for that item won't be extracted or re-installed.

What are your DMA settings in the Device Mangler? Are your hard drives showing a checked DMA box? Please set a 64K buffer aside for DMA use in the Direct Memory Access Controller found under the System Devices portion of the Device Mangler.

My bet is still on the lousy DMA support in the BIOS for these early day machines, causing disk errors.
Enabling IDE DMA on Windows-based Systems
DMA turn on fix
DMA Check Box Does Not Remain Checked
Further info - substitue 2x (DMA) modes as follows
UDMA mode 0 is 40
UDMA mode 1 is 41, etc.

Skip, all I needed was to hear him say it once and he finally did. I also didn't know he is a regular of sorts, what a memory you've got!

Lee


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#12
June 4, 2009 at 17:44:45
:-) Yeah, I remember a lot of useless crap and forget the steps I've gone through to solve problems like Matt is having.

Here's another longshot...

The libretto drivers are probably older than 98SE. I wonder if anything would install on a FAT16 format. I don't recall it ever making any difference but like I said, CRS.

Skip


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#13
June 4, 2009 at 19:14:25
I'm also thinking a HDD issue. I accidentally dropped the original one which consequently died. Its got a 30GB drive installed instead, apparently with the librettos there is a problem installing drives larger than 8GB as when it hibernates it dumps all memory in a certain range of the HDD weather it is occupied with files or not. There is a work around for this which I have already done.

98SE routinely runs on 32MB, many PC's came from the factory with 16MB of RAM and win 98 (non SE).
The libretto runs pretty smoothly with 32MB and 98SE. They can take 64MB but as this is a sub-notebook finding the proprietary module to fit is excessively difficult.

If you have never seen a Libretto before: http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/...

They are a decent amount smaller than the original eee netbook.

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#14
June 5, 2009 at 04:36:03
maybe put the drive in a desktop, using an adapter.
partition it as follows:
C- 7.9 G
D- 19.9 G
E - what is left
then copy the 98 setup files to the E, put the drive back in the laptop, and run the setup.

larry


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#15
June 5, 2009 at 07:27:30
thanks Larry but I've already done that about 3 times.

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#16
June 6, 2009 at 07:14:44
I realize this does not answer you problem, but at least you will have a usefull laptop.
http://distrowatch.com/index.php?di...

larry


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#17
June 7, 2009 at 07:45:44
I was actually considering that, but I'm not so sure how the hardware support would be.. Would an 800x480 resolution be available and is 32MB of RAM enough? Also, I'm completely useless with Linux so I'd have no Idea how to install it on the laptop without a bootable CD drive.

EDIT: Actually... Maby a flash to HDD adapter with a bootable USB version of DSL or something..... Wait, or just put the bootable USB version on the HDD then run it from that?
Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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#18
June 8, 2009 at 15:00:36
it has been a while since I've done it, but a boot floppy can be made. you need to run the live cd on a desktop, with internet access. I'm running it on an old compaq deskpro with a 75 mhz P1 & 40 mb of ram. You would need to set a linux swap partition, I would use gparted, although the dsl cd has cfdisk. The highest resolution I get on this machine is 800 x 600. As for hardware, you really wont know until you try. My guess, is it will pick up the network and graphics cards, may have a problem with the on board sound.

larry


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#19
June 9, 2009 at 07:42:37
Unfortunately this laptop has NO bootable devices other than the HDD. So cant boot from floppy or CD. I had a look and there is a wiki on how to do a install from the HDD. I dont have time at the moment but I'll get around to it eventually. Thanks everyone for your help.

Mattwizz3
Gigabyte P35-DS3R
4GB DDR2 800
9800GT
E4500


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