Location of flash drive driver?

October 31, 2016 at 08:26:04
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I have a secondhand Dell Inspiron 3200 laptop made in 1997.
It has one USB port, effectively USB version 1.0. The laptop
had a version of Windows 95 when I got it. B or C, I think.
I completely removed that version and installed Windows 98 SE
years ago, and have been using it ever since.

Just now I plugged a standard HP 8GB flash drive into the USB
port for the first time, and the Add New Hardware Wizard window
popped up, saying that it will search for new drivers. One of
the checkboxes for possible locations to search is pre-checked.
It is "CD-ROM drive". The CD-ROM on this laptop is drive E.
Under the last checkbox is a text input box which is pre-filled
with the following path:

E:\Drivers\32-bit\98_Me_2000_XP

That surprises me because it references Windows versions which
did not yet exist at the time my Windows 98 SE install disk was
made. Did the computer get those version names from the flash
drive, and append them to the path to my CD-ROM drive?

I still have my Windows 98 SE install disk, but it is currently
in storage on the other side of town. Is it likely to have the
driver I need? Is it possible that I will be able to use the
flash drive without any additional driver?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#1
October 31, 2016 at 08:59:49
Unfortunately, Windows 98SE did not have full native USB device support (that didn't come until Windows XP).

For Win95/98/98SE, all USB devices required a third-party driver from the device manufacturer.

By the time pen drives came along, most of us had moved on to Windows XP which has built-in support for such devices, so the pen drive manufacturer's didn't have to bother supplying drivers for them. They are plug-and-play on all modern Windows versions.

Consequently, you won't find a driver for your pen drive. You need to upgrade your OS.
Seriously. Even XP is way out of date now, never mind 98!


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October 31, 2016 at 09:00:04

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#3
October 31, 2016 at 17:24:29
The 'E:\Drivers\32-bit\98_Me_2000_XP' probably was from a driver installation you did for something else and the driver search just hung onto that location.

Some of the original flash drives, in the range of 256 meg, came with 98 drivers but probably wouldn't work with an 8 gig.


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#4
October 31, 2016 at 19:10:40
You can count on the installation disk of 98se to NOT contain anything useful for your USB 2 or even 3 drive. Version 1 USB was horribly supported in 98se. So no, you don't stand a chance of using your pen drive in 98 without a third party driver install package.

Installing a driver that would work will not involve the standard device installer then. Except for a few default screens showing as they pass by.

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.6

Only for Windows 98SE English !!!

*Native (without installation of additional drivers
for each type) support USB flash drives, digital
photo and videocameras and other similar devices.
*Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation
of additional drivers for each chipsets)
with uninstall.
1.Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
2.Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
3.Remove ALL USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers and devices.
4.Remove ALL unknown devices.
5.Install NUSB 3.6 and reboot.
6.After detection new USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers
(if it will occur) too it is necessary to be reboot.
Remember! You install it at own risk!

http://www.tmeeco.eu/9X4EVER/GOODIE...

You install nusb3.6.exe by simply double clicking it, wait a good while and then reboot to complete the installation. During which your hardware will be detected and it will install too. Do not have the pen drive inserted during this time. If you don't have a system tray entry when you do insert the pen drive you may need to install a hotplug.exe file from Loew's free offerings here.
http://rloew.x10host.com/
hotplug.exe goes into your startup folder under
C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs

It will detect when a pen drive has been inserted to then allow you to unpower it first before you remove it when done with it.

Lee


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#5
October 31, 2016 at 20:53:16
DAVEINCAPS wrote:
> The 'E:\Drivers\32-bit\98_Me_2000_XP' probably was from a
> driver installation you did for something else and the driver
> search just hung onto that location.

Does that imply actual use of a CD-ROM disk, or might the path
have been in the installer program? I doubt that I have ever put
a disk in the drive that was aware of later versions of Windows.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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#6
October 31, 2016 at 21:09:20
Oh, wait. No sooner do I hit the "Submit" button than my brain
starts functioning. I must have used the CD that came with the
external modem I had connected. I no longer have the modem,
but I have the PDF manual for it, and it has instructions for the
same list of four operating systems. Huh. One minor mystery
apparently solved.

I'll see if one of your suggestions for a driver works. Maybe I'll
look to see if HP has one. Thank you!

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#7
October 31, 2016 at 23:15:56
Yeah that's probably where that path came from.

If the drivers don't work for that 8 gig they may work for a smaller one. The port may be too ancient for an 8 gig even with drivers.

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#8
November 2, 2016 at 09:52:18
The instructions linked by riider and quoted by melee5
say that I need to:

> 1.Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
> 2.Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
> 3.Remove ALL USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers and devices.
> 4.Remove ALL unknown devices.

When I look in Device Manager I am surprised to find that neither of
the USB devices I installed and had working show up under USB.
The Logitech USB laser mouse was in use a few minutes ago -- I
unplugged it and plugged in a PS/2 mouse in order to do this. The
Logitech mouse did not come with a driver, and does not need one.
When plugged in, it showed up under Mouse as HID-compliant mouse.
The Epson USB scanner hasn't been connected in a couple of years,
and I don't have it anymore. Its software is still installed. It does not
show up in Control Panel under Scanners and Cameras, either.

The only relevant things I see are under Universal Bus controllers:

> Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> USB Root Hub

The drivers for these devices and *ALL* devices in Device Manager
are Provider: Microsoft, Date: 4-23-1999, which Google tells me is the
release date of Windows 98 SE.

Do I need to remove anything before going ahead?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#9
November 2, 2016 at 10:29:41
Yes, both those items shown.

BUT before you do that, go into Add/Remove Programs and remove USB items from there first.

THEN use Device Mangler to remove all USB items.

Install nusb3.6 and reboot.

reboot again.

Only then plug in your USB devices.

Just because the devices show MS files doesn't mean that these files haven't been modified as is likely to happen with nusb3.6 installation. Unless you compare these files with the ones in nusb3.6 and KNOW them to be identical. I'm too lazy to go there.

Add/Remove Programs removal of devices is the preferred method since it's more likely to include the removal of driver inf files too. And this is an important issue. Due to the intercontinental aspect of the nusb3.6 patch it lacks a certain directness in it's instructions as their native language is not ours.

Once everything has been removed as best as can be done, the nusb3.6 package is installed which moves it's inf files and driver files into the same locations that original files would be. When these devices, cards, etc. are found as new hardware, the drivers and infs are moved into the system and installed as if they were from MS. As mentioned before some will still carry MS indications as this is just a patch, not an entire re-write of the OS.

Lee


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#10
November 2, 2016 at 15:09:37
When you say "USB items" you mean programs which support
devices that connect via USB. Those would be the programs
installed for the Epson scanner I mentioned above. There appear
to be six such programs in the Add/Remove list:

Copy utility
Epson Photo Print
Epson Smart Panel
Epson TWAIN 5
PF1259-1650 Guide
ScanToWeb

I include the first and last of those because I remember that
they were part of the Epson install. The Guide is the HTML
user guide for the scanner. I think the TWAIN program is the
most likely to actually involve USB, and the Smart Panel is
next most likely. USB is not mentioned anywhere in the list.

Do you think that removing one or more of the above might
remove one or more drivers that involve USB?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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#11
November 3, 2016 at 17:05:10
Yes it will remove the epson USB drivers and that's what you want to happen because they are dependent upon other drivers that NEED to be removed and replaced too. Everything goes, then you install nusb3.6 and reboot to re-detect everything possible which now will be using updated files that work. Then you'll have to reinstall your

Copy utility
Epson Photo Print
Epson Smart Panel
Epson TWAIN 5
PF1259-1650 Guide
ScanToWeb

items. No problem exists between their drivers and the new ones inside nusb3.6 if they are reinstalled after nusb3.6.

Removing USB items used with nusb3.6 update means hardware and software with the exception of actually physically removing a USB 2 PCI card if you happened to have one installed - it is sufficient to just uninstall the device as found in the Device Mangler. If it too has drivers then one just reinstalls them after the reboot and the system is then asking for those drivers. When ever such a secondary USB hardware device install is done, it probably would be best to reboot afterwards too. This is a different deal from just inserting a pen drive and the system tray 'advisor' shows up giving you status balloons of the new device inserted. When it says your device is working, you just start using it, if the system tray widget stays active then you should click on it before unplugging the USB device just to be sure you don't mess up your USB device somehow.

Lee


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#12
November 4, 2016 at 19:21:41
Is the problem that the dependant drivers (installed along with the
Epson software) need to be removed, or the "other drivers" will not
uninstall? If, instead, the problem is only that the Epson drivers might
fail to work, then I should be able to leave them in place, since I no
longer have the scanner (or the CD-ROM that came with it.) The OCR
function of the Epson software is still useable. I doubt it uses the
USB driver since it doesn't need to communicate with the scanner.
It can get the image from an existing file.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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#13
November 5, 2016 at 19:49:13
If you want to install nusb3.6 against the install instructions, you don't need my approval for that.

There MAY be issues with installed drivers locking underlying files from uninstalling. Called dll hell, the issue is real enough to warrant the advise to remove all related hardware and software drivers as per install instructions.

We can't know if it's Ok -- nusb authors also can't know. Which is the source for their advice to uninstall everything. In order to find out if it's possible all you need to do is try it and maybe it works and maybe it doesn't. If you have drive imaging software for your 9x system, now would be the time to use it so you can revert back to a working system that has no trace of nusb3.6 on it. And your Epson files are still in place.

Understanding only now your hesitancy in installing nusb3.6, I doubt you would have problems just installing it 'over the top' as they say.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SharedDLLs

Is the registry key to look at and see what (if any) usb files are in the list. Files in this list are in a dependent relation with some software somewhere within the system. But a lot of software writers didn't mind their P's and Q's very well so for 9x at least it's more of a guide than the end all, be all bible it was meant to be.

Using WinZip one can 'open with' the nusb3.6 update to see all the files it has and will replace into your system. A list from here might be compared to the sharedDll list to gather an inkling of IF there might be an issue. I would certainly expend my efforts to image your current system, and then just try it at that point.

Lee


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#14
November 5, 2016 at 21:09:27
Thanks much, Lee!

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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