computer not starting up

January 7, 2010 at 08:07:51
Specs: windows 98 se
numerous of problems i have with this older computer, that i am researching, in order to just save it for my grandkids. The new problem i have now, is, when i turn my computer on, i get to a point comeing on, with black screen, and a message, "cannot run windows with the installed version of MS-DOS, upgrade MS-DOS to version 8.0.". I find soething called MS-DOS, version 8.0, download to USB stick, plug it in, but nothing happens. With the message there, it has a blinking courser below, but when i type, nothing goes there. There is no response. Can anyone recognise anything about this problem, that will help me fix, in order to work with my other problems?

See More: computer not starting up

Report •

#1
January 7, 2010 at 09:02:35
Boot into the BIOS (setup) screens and check the boot order to verify the hard drive is listed. Also make sure no floppy disks are inserted.

While in the BIOS check to see if the date and time are correct. If date is wrong then the CMOS battery on the motherboard has failed and needs to be replaced. That is the quarter size flat silver battery located on the board.

Computer will run fine without immediate replacement. You may need to reset values in the BIOS each time you boot.

If this doesn't help your problem we will need more information about the computer.


Report •

#2
January 7, 2010 at 09:17:31
When i turn system on, and that page comes up, there is nothing there for the letters "bios".I do have....
normal
logged (\bootlog.txt)
safe
step by step conformation
command prompt
safe with command prompt
there also is an error message at the end that has been one of the problems i talked about earlier. this message.....
"error in CONFIG.SYS on line 3.....press any key to continue"
this is another problem that i worked with when i could get on. are one of these BIOS, or do i need something else?

Report •

#3
January 7, 2010 at 09:40:33
There should be a prompt to enter setup (BIOS) hit ?. Could be the Del key or on ofthe F keys.

Have you tried any of the options you listed above. Specifically normal or safe?

The options you are seeing are all for Windows. The BIOS (setup) is related to the hardware and happens prior to any of those messages.

For the moment forget booting into the BIOS and try some of the other options as jsut mentioned in this response. Post what happens when you try those options.

How about some history about this computer.

Has it sat unused for some period of time?

Was it recently working OK?

Did some event precede the current issues?


Report •

Related Solutions

#4
January 7, 2010 at 09:55:43
W98SE comes with a DOS 7 version and it should not be necessary to change it to 8.0.

Windows will run fine without autoexec.bat and config.sys which are only necessary if you wish to run games etc from DOS. With that proviso, as you already have an error in config.sys then try disabling both of them by renaming, like this:

From a Command Prompt type the following lines, followed by the Enter key in each instance:

Ren c:\autoexec.bat autoexec.old

Ren c:\config.sys config.old

Note that both lines have two important spaces in them, after Ren and between the two file names. [This action can be undone by reversing the file names].

Try normal boot to see if the renaming has helped.

some other bloke...


Report •

#5
January 7, 2010 at 10:06:37
As i mentioned before, there were problems i have had with the system before this one. The problem that started with this system began over 4YEARS ago. That being useing my windows 98 se install disc. I have not been able to do a restore from that, because i cannot get pass the key input. Key invalid. I have hobbled along, managing to just work around with a lot of the problems.
I manage to play around and got the system confifured with a dual boot between windows 98 se, and puppy linux. Always been ableto go to either. The puppy system works fine, i just do not know a lot about the programs withen it. It even recognises my Belkin adapter for internet access. I installed the adapter on my windows side, but never been able to get on line from windows. The files in devise manager show with the yellow question mark, and never been able to figure why, but puppy connects, and i suppose it connects from windows installation, i dunno.
When i could go to windows, it did fine, or ok, but some problems from there. I must be able to have the problem in order to tell the different problems. I have a free netzero dial up there, just to be able to get online for what ever.
My problem now, i can still go to puppy, but cannot go to windows, for the normal click, or safe click, ultimately, the next screen gives the the DOS message. When i click safe mode, it does the same. I am unable to do anything from a windows point, and the message there relating to DOS, and i don't know that either.

Report •

#6
January 7, 2010 at 10:17:22
DEREK, when i go to command prompt, and the letters before the blinking light reads " C:\>", and then i start typeing. do i put all the letters there or just part? all meaning, "renc:\autoexec.bat autoexec.old"

Report •

#7
January 7, 2010 at 10:23:54
OtheHill, yes, it is about 13 years old. Yes, it sat up a long time. The system crashed about 5 years ago, and a computer tech rebuilt system, with windows 98 se, and furnished me with a disc. The disc has not worked before, and tech is moved off. My grand kids played Dora, and kids games on it, so yes, it was working ok about 1 week ago. Some of the problems are there, but i work around them, for i do not use for myself. I just want to get windows to load again, so, i can maybe use this forum to help me with other problems, one at a time.

Report •

#8
January 7, 2010 at 10:30:13
I see advertisments about fixes for windows, but all cost money. are there any downloads that will fix my windows 98 se, that just fix?

Report •

#9
January 7, 2010 at 10:54:16
You say you have a Win98 CD? Which version Win98 or Win98 se? Some Win98 CDs are bootable, many are not. Do you also have a Win98 setup floppy disk? Do you have a floppy drive and a CD drive in that computer?

Report •

#10
January 7, 2010 at 11:17:01
mmmmm, yes, i have a disk for windows 98 se, but have never been able to get pass the invalid key. i have spent 4 years in forums, email help, and even Microsoft help, and have received no, and i mean no help with getting the cd that contains all my windows 98 se, to reinstall my windows.
I do have a floppy disc drive, but i do not have a set up floppy disc. I do not even know what that is.
I have a dvd rom drive, and a cd/rw drive, but there are problems withen that. At one time i could not see neither of those drives on my computer. they were not even in my devise manager. they were no where. I played around with that for a week, and the dvd rom is showing up, but in order for that, i unplugged the cd/rw tape from withen my computer cabinet. It shows up now. that is all i knowabout that.
I know all these things are confuseing to you, so, you can imagine how confuseing these are to me. All these and more are problems that i had before, but the problem now, is the words MS_DOS. If i could gather enough info to get back to windows, i can work with the others. I feel if i could find a way to get the windows 98 se disc to restore all those files, the problem would be a lot better.

Report •

#11
January 7, 2010 at 11:26:05
So if you attempt to install Win98 with the disk you have the key you have doesn't work?


Report •

#12
January 7, 2010 at 11:39:00
,yes the key i have fo the disc, does not work.



Report •

#13
January 7, 2010 at 11:54:49
Well, should you get the Win98 OS workingagain there are several utilities to recover the key that is working for the installation presently. Then the only issue would be if the disk you have is the same flavor (version) of Win98.

You could try to perform a registry restore if the current issue is recent. You can try that from the command prompt.

To perform a registry restore. Reboot and hit F8 while booting. Select command prompt. Type command\scanreg/restore and hit enter. Highlight a date that is prior to installing that program. Hit enter and you should be in business.


Report •

#14
January 7, 2010 at 12:20:18
I have done that. It say restore complete, but nothing has changed.
what else can i TRY?

Report •

#15
January 7, 2010 at 12:32:47
Did you go back to a time before this issue?

Is puppy on the same partition as Win98?


Report •

#16
January 7, 2010 at 12:36:42
Perhaps I missed the answer but did you try any of the options on the screen you do get? If normal and safe mode don't work then try step by step. This should shed more light on what the actual problem is.

As Derek mentioned you shouldn't need MS DOS 8 nor should you get any messages like that.


Report •

#17
January 7, 2010 at 12:43:36
Try this. At the command prompt type dir/p. That should bring up all the directories on the drive. If windows is listed as C:\ windows then from the command prompt type Windows. If you get a new line that shows C:\windows then type win and hit enter.

If you get a bad command message then from the command prompt type cd\ C:\windows and hit enter


Report •

#18
January 7, 2010 at 15:02:50
Re #6.

Yes, just type after C:\>

The whole lot eg:
Ren c:\config.sys config.old

The above means, rename the file config.sys to config.old - which disables it.

Make sure you type it "excactly as given", including the space after Ren.
Hit Enter key after each line.

Worth trying #17 too - whatever helps.

Neither suggestion will make matters worse and mine can easily be undone anyhow.

some other bloke...


Report •

#19
January 7, 2010 at 15:08:17
I also tried the step by step, i would get an error message as i had gotten before i had this problem. there was an error in CONFIG.SYS file, line 3. then to press any key to continue. this would carry me to same error message about DOS.
i did the prompt entry, dir/p, and there was a lot of information there, but i did not know what it ment. at the very top, there was a negative remark. it was " volume in c drive has no label". then the information was below.
i continue to the end of list where it ask for another input, like command prompt. i put windows there, and bad command. in next command, i put win, but that was a bad command.
i feel like that was what you were asking me to do. there was no ate on the restore that went before installing puppy. there are 5 dates there, and 3 of them do not restore.


Report •

#20
January 7, 2010 at 15:08:45
I agree with Derek. Hey Derek, do I have the syntax correct in #17? If not, feel free.

Report •

#21
January 7, 2010 at 15:18:27
Othehill Re #20

Yep, pretty well.

Assuming the "c:\windows" folder is present (and we are in trouble if it isn't)
then from C:\> just type cd windows - hit Enter key. You should then be in C:\Windows so just type Win and hit Enter key.

As there is clearly something wonky in config.sys I think #4 might be a good thing to try. This will eliminate both autoexec.bat and config.sys from the equation. It could well fix the problem.

some other bloke...


Report •

#22
January 7, 2010 at 16:21:57
derek, this is what i type...Ren c:\config.sys config.old.....and i get" file not found-c:config.sys"
i close the gap at the end.Ren c:\config.sysconfigold.....
and i get a message, "required paremeter missing". does the first one look right?

Report •

#23
January 7, 2010 at 16:30:51
jimbo

Type rem- not ren. rem is short for remove.


Report •

#24
January 7, 2010 at 16:37:04
Nope, don't take out any spaces, the first one looked right.
It's weird because the file must be there otherwise it wouldn't complain about it.

I assume you were at the C:\> prompt (not c:\windows or anything else).

Try again and make sure you get everything exactly right:

ren c:\config.sys config.old

Case is the only thing that doesn't matter but make it all lower case for now:-

There should be one space (only) after ren

The colon should be as given (not a semi colon)

It should be a backslash not a forward slash

There should be one space (only) after sys

Hit Enter key straight after the final "d"

The least little typo, addition or omission, will prevent the command from being accepted.

some other bloke...


Report •

#25
January 7, 2010 at 16:45:34
i dunno....put Rem, and it would just go telling me for another prompt. i am lost as a goose. this is harder than trying to learn how to ride a bic. where do you get all those formulas, or what ever you call them? can i get a list? email me some of them.
have been at this for 9 hours just today, and i am going to watch ALABAMA & TEXAS play ball now, and will get back later. hope your patience with me does not wear out. I appreciate you. Jimmy

Report •

#26
January 7, 2010 at 16:50:51
NO

It's not Rem its Ren

It's some time since I did this but from what I recall it just returns you to the prompt when you get it right. If so try a normal boot and see if it has helped.

Give it one more go but re-read my #24 (I did a tidy-up after I first posted it).

some other bloke...


Report •

#27
January 7, 2010 at 17:00:25
Sorry about that Derek

Report •

#28
January 7, 2010 at 17:13:17
OtheHill.

No problem, actually I was addressing post #25 LOL.

In fact Rem has no function, it stands for "remark". You use it when you want to make some comment in a batch file. It needs one space after it, as usual. There is of-course the Del command which, as I'm sure you know, is delete.

Jimbo - Ignore this post (just chatting to OtheHill).

some other bloke...


Report •

#29
January 7, 2010 at 17:46:28
i put (ren c:\config.sys config.old). is that right? in fact, i tried it 6 times. I keep getting an error (file not found c:\config.sys) what am i doing wrong?

Report •

#30
January 7, 2010 at 17:48:18
jimbo

Then you must have done it somehow. You will get that message because the file has now been renamed to config.old

Have you tried rebooting normally?

If you don't get that config.sys error message during boot up then at least "some" progress has been made.

I'm in the UK zone so am burning the midnight oil. I'll just hold on for a bit tho.

some other bloke...


Report •

#31
January 7, 2010 at 18:02:46
i still cannot get on. i thank both of you for your help. i will close tonight and try again tomorrow. if the same post works, ok. look for me. thanks again, Jimmy

Report •

#32
January 7, 2010 at 18:09:42
I'm off now.

Let us know if that config.sys error has gone from bootup (I would love to know if we at least won that battle)? In which case what error messages are you now getting, if any, and just what happens when you now boot?

Also, have you a W98SE CD because simply loading it in on top fixes most problems (although I usually try other ideas first)?

In the meantime someone might come up with some thoughts but I'm not going to try anything more tonight in case my brain goes into sleep mode LOL.

Will pop back tomorrow - the post won't vanish.

some other bloke...


Report •

#33
January 7, 2010 at 23:15:48
This is the original thread:

http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

I thought the OP was going to junk it.

I'm not sure how he's dual booting linux and 98. 98 may not be on the c: drive thus giving the 'file not found' for config.sys.

All the 98 errors showing in this and the previous thread make me think a fix isn't possible. Wipe it and start over. What say ye, Jimbo?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#34
January 8, 2010 at 03:15:34
DAVEINCAPS

The OP has a Win98se CD but the key he has doesn't work so he can't re-install. I was hoping to get him in once more and recover the working key.


Report •

#35
January 8, 2010 at 06:09:11
The plot thickens then LOL.

Post #6 on the other thread seemed to give plenty of keys and I've found W98SE not at all fussy in this respect.

some other bloke...


Report •

#36
January 8, 2010 at 06:46:58
Then jimbo needs to try different keys and just perform a clean install.

jimbo

If this PC is intended for grandkids I suggest you forget the Linux dual boot.


Report •

#37
January 8, 2010 at 06:58:41
well, it is another day now, and the cold weather outside will allow me to work with the problem again. As of now, i am still unable to get my windows to come on.
welcome, daveincaps, for i had this particular problem to pop up since the other thread, and i thought the best thing to do, was to start another thread, to make it less confuseing.
as far as me dual booting windows/puppy linux, i have no answer, but i can, and both were doing ok, 3 weeks ago. the reason for puppy, all togather, was for the inability to reinstall the windows 98 se disc. I have been with that problem for over 4 years, and was pretty agrivated with Microsoft for there decision to drop assistance for windows 98 se.
I agree, the best thing to do. would be to start over again from the start, and i feel that is from the beginning, but i have not found the path to get there. i dunno, it my be a lost cause, but, i still look any way.
Both the threads go togather for my problem. i do need to be able to reinstall my windows 98 se, but i can't without the key working, and i can't do that, unless i can get my windows to come up.
the keys that are listed in #6 from other post, i see, and i will try each one that referrs to windows 98 se, not knowing exactly which one to use. for information, again, the disc is for a rebuilt windows, and not for original system. my computer has a key on a sticker, on the side of the computer, and i have others to tell me that this key would work, but i have tried it, and it hasn't. have had others to tell me that the key that is for the disc that the tech made for me, should work, but it hasn't.
i will be on that computer working, and checking back with this one, so if either of you fellows have an idea, please pass on to me. thank you, Jimmy

Report •

#38
January 8, 2010 at 07:08:55
So, the key you are trying is for a pre-installed OEM version. That would explain why it isn't working.

I don't know how long you have been playing with this but my recommendation would be to download a Win98 boot disk from bootdisk.com. Boot to that disk and delete all partitions using fdisk. Then create one partition and format it using all available space. Then try installing from the disk you have. Worst case scenario is that you are back where you are now.

If you want, you could view the partitions using fdisk before deleting them.

There may be a hidden partition on there with restore files but I don't think vendors did that back then.

If there is a partition marked unknown type then you could have an issue with a drive overlay installed because of disk capacity limits.

Perhaps DAVEINCAPS or Derek can add to that because they are both more expert at Win98 issues than me.


Report •

#39
January 8, 2010 at 07:20:35
I will do this, as soon as i figure out how. do you have a step list on what to do as far as instructions about this. i am not familiar with this at all.
do i need to uninstall puppy first, for that is what i am thinking, to get started. i want to find the right way to uninstall puppy, for i do not want to make it worse by deleting something that will to that.
i dunno if i can even do that, not being able to go to windows.what i need is a disc i can put in my dvd rom that will self extract, clean everything out, and install my windows again. huh, sounds simple.

Report •

#40
January 8, 2010 at 07:36:15
If you intend to delete the partitions as suggested you don't need to remove anything.

Go to bootdisk.com and download a Win98 boot disk file. Follow the instructions on how to create the disk and then boot to it.

You may need to change your boot order in the BIOS to boot to the floppy drive.

Once you are at an A: prompt type dir/p to see what files are on the disk.

Fdisk is a tool to work with your hard drives.

When at the A prompt type fdisk and hit enter.
You will be asked if you want large disk support. Say yes
Then select option #4 to view the partitions on the hard drive.

If you have more than 1 physical hard drive you will also see an option #5. You can use it to view the partitions on additional drives.

Post what you find when viewing this information and we will then instruct you what to do next. Provide ALL the information including extended partitions and logical drives.


Report •

#41
January 8, 2010 at 08:00:33
have a program from bootdisc, windows 98 se, oem....is that right? also the instructions are confuseing for me. this is what i see.......http://www.bootdisk.com/readme.htm#howto.....and will start trying to deciffer this.

Report •

#42
January 8, 2010 at 08:10:10
geeeeee, i made the previous post without really looking at the page on how to. i will continue to look, but my first impression is, if i was smart enough to understand that, i would not be in a forum trying to find out how to restore my windows.

Report •

#43
January 8, 2010 at 08:36:48
jimbo, All you need to do is read the screens.

You evidently know how to get to different websites. Type in bootdisk.com in the address bar and go to the site. It is self explanatory once there. I will provide a link. Just click on the link and it will take your there.

Click on the link below and doubleclick the 8th file (win98 OEM). This file will download to the place on your computer that you choose (read the screens). Then click on the file and it will automatically install to a clean floppy disk.

I assume you have a floppy drive. If not you can get a CD version. Little harder to make the disk.

Are you with me so far?


Report •

#44
January 8, 2010 at 09:07:10
i have a program downloaded. i do not have a floppy on the computer i am on, doing all this. i must take the program i downloaded on this computer, put it on a disc, then carry the disc to the older computer, open the disc there, and then i am assumeing, somehow install something there.
i searched the site for the keys, and found some explanations about some of my problems. i am thinking to get the disc to work on that computer, i must be able to load my windows. look at this site, and see if there is any info that will correct, confif.sus error, that might help me get the windows past the DOS error message....http://www.computerhope.com/ac.htm

Report •

#45
January 8, 2010 at 09:19:09
I think you are wasting your time with that.

Di you ever try to boot into Windows like was described in #17?

I need to leave for a few hours.


Report •

#46
January 8, 2010 at 09:47:13
ok, i will forget that, and try to follow your instructions. I open my command prompt, clicked, then the same screen comes up with all the entry phases again, with an error at the end, " error in CONFIG.SYS on line 3. press any key to continue". i then press enter, and windows/puppy option comes up. i then choose windows, and prompt comes up. i type, "dir/p", a large list of things shows up, and shows to be c: and windows is in the list. i scroll to the end of list, for prompt again, type windows, and then a message, "bad command or file", and another prompt is there. i put win into prompt again, and "bad command or file", comes up again.

put the, cd\ C:\windows, and got, invalid directory :(

Report •

#47
January 8, 2010 at 12:34:26
i have been working with this all day, and have gotten no where. i am not going to be able to do anything at all, until i can figure out why i am getting that message at sign on. "cannot open windows with installed version of ms-dos" . there is a reason for it, and i just have not found it yet.


Report •

#48
January 8, 2010 at 14:06:42
i spent the last hour, or so, trying to get the bootdisk to a floppy, but not successful. is there a way to download it to cd? when i click it, they want me to put floppy disc in. will it be a self extracting to get past the error message i get about ms-dos?

Report •

#49
January 8, 2010 at 14:18:54
I think the "cannot open windows with installed version of ms-dos" is due to some incorrect system or other working files that you may have inadvertently installed while trying to fix things.

Generally the floppy image files from bootdisk.com need only be be executed. They'll be .exe files and you just run them in order to create the disk. I imagine you could run them in linux if that is the only OS you have on a PC with a floppy drive.

I could also send you a floppy image of one of the bootdisks I use.

As far as the produce key, in the previous post I linked to a discussion of using DIAG.EXE to extract the key. Did you try that?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#50
January 8, 2010 at 14:22:05
Re your # 48

You can have the downloaded image file on any media--cd, hard drive. But you need to run the file on a machine with a floppy drive and you need a blank floppy disk.

You may even be able to run it from a C:\ prompt.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#51
January 8, 2010 at 15:03:57
hope you do not give up on me yet! i am still trying. i have access to a computer that has a floppy, but when i try and open the download of the bootdisk, and it tells me to put a blank floppy into drive, i get a message "not formatted correctly". i try to format, and message, " disc cannot be formatted".
i found a download, for a cd image, from another forum, that i just try to see if it worked. i downloaded the image, used iso burn, and made a disk. the only problem, is that it is called bootdisk for windows 98. i i started it in the old computer, and it started up, but, again, one of those things i did not understand, so, i did not install.
you said something about an image of what you use? can i take that image, and use iso burn to make cd of that? is it windows 98 se?
have no way of telling you about disc i have with windows 98, for you to advise me about useing it. i keep trying.:)

Report •

#52
January 8, 2010 at 15:12:14
Out of curiosity, have you any idea what is where?

For example, is Windows on the C drive, Puppy Linux on D drive or what? DAVEINCAPS suggestion that config.sys is not on the C drive seems very likely, as we made no headway chasing it on C.

Whatever, repartitioning C and installing a fresh copy of W98SE seems the safest bet because it appears that you have some sort of muddle which could be near impossible to fix with remote assistance. We really have no clue what your system arrangements are about and things seem to be going from bad to worse.

The object of using a boot floppy is to facilitate the installation of W98SE from a CD. Have you got a W98SE CD, otherwise repartitioning and reloading W98SE is a dead duck?

some other bloke...


Report •

#53
January 8, 2010 at 15:45:22
ok....i give up, from here. if you look at the opening page og WIN 98 FORUM, look at the number of post, you will see, i am only causing confusion, and preventing you fellas from helping someone else. i am not a guru, and i do for the most what others are teling me, and cause a lot of my problems myself. i am sorry to make so much confusion, so, i will not post any more. i will ultimately find the answer, so thanks, Jimmy

Report •

#54
January 8, 2010 at 16:33:48
When a floppy disk can't be formatted it could be because the disk or drive is bad or the 'disk lock' slide is in the lock position. (That's that little square slide in the bottom corner of the back of the disk. If it's covering the hole the disk is writable. If the hole is showing the disk is read only.)

As far as the image you downloaded--if you're worried it says 98 and not 98 SE, that doesn't matter when partitioning or formatting. Some of the images may add a bunch of junk and give some menu that you don't know what to do with.

That's why if there's any question about the disk someone is using I'd rather send them mine since I know what is on it. It could probably burned to a cd but if you can boot OK with a cd, have you tried booting with your 98 cd?

As far as taking up our time, don't worry about that.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#55
January 8, 2010 at 17:20:55
well, i did find one that said windows 98 se. made a disc of it. put it in, and a lot of information come up, and running. when it reached the end, it said, the diagnostic tools were successfully loaded to drive d...(MSCDEX version-2.25.
copyright (C) Microsoft corp. drive E Driver MSC dool unit 0........i think that is some of the stuff i was seeing.
I cannot get any where i know of to check all those Drives, A, C, D, E F.........if i could see my desktop, i could check my computer.

Report •

#56
January 8, 2010 at 17:29:55
It's dos so there's no 'desktop'.

You're probably at an a:\> or d:\> prompt. At whatever prompt it is type FDISK and enter. Answer Y to large disk support. Then option 4. Exactly what does it say?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#57
January 8, 2010 at 17:39:34
bad command or file name

Report •

#58
January 8, 2010 at 17:42:50
Type path=a:\;d:\;e:\ and enter. Then try fdisk again.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#59
January 8, 2010 at 17:43:05
just for information to work with the dos error does any of this look helpful??...http://www.computerhope.com/overview.htm

Report •

#60
January 8, 2010 at 17:53:43
Yeah, that describes the dos commands. The 'bad command or file name' means the OS can't find the fdisk command. The PATH statement you entered will have it look on the a:, d: and e: drives, where it should find fdisk unless the idiot who put together the image you're using didn't include fdisk.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#61
January 8, 2010 at 17:59:50
That's a list of DOS commands. Useful in general but there's a whole lot more to syntax etc. I think it best to just use the commands the helpers give you for now. If you want to learn all about DOS at some later time there is a whole lot of info in Google which will help. In fact many folk get away without using DOS at all these days. WIth older systems that won't boot it can obviously be handy.

I hope I didn't give you the impression I was "sending you packing" in #52. I was just trying to explain that when a machine gets in a mess it is a real problem giving on line help, whereas a re-install is relatively simple to explain and probably much more likely to bring results.

For example, we could help you find where that config.sys file is residing (using DOS). We could then rename it and clear the config.sys error on boot up. Chances are that we would then be confronted with some other problem which prevents booting.

It's entirely up to you but I think the concensus is probably in favor of a clean install.

Whatever, there is no reason to "give up". There are some very patient folk around these parts who have assisted well beyond 60 posts.

some other bloke...


Report •

#62
January 8, 2010 at 18:13:33
i don't give up, i just don't want to be a burden to anyone. i am just exerting every effort i can come up with to save the unit, and the biggest problem with me is, the more i have to do, the more chances of me ------- something up.ok?
now, i did the edit c:\autoexec.bat, and come up with a blank, blue screen.
i did the edit c:\config.sys, and this is what i got....
(menu)
Rem tshoot:
belkin adapter
menuitem=windows, start windows
menuitem=puplinux: start puppy linux
menudefault=windows, 30

(puplinux)
shell=c:\boot\grub\grub.exe

(windows)
...............................
that did not tell me anything. does it mean something to you?


Report •

#63
January 8, 2010 at 18:28:30
If you get a blank blue screen it means the file isn't there.

What surprises me is that if you were able to get the text of config.sys from the C promt then it must still be there. Maybe the clue is in "Rem tshoot". I'm a bit rusty on this but think it is put in when the file is just a place holder and the real file has been given another name. This might explain why we had no luck with the rename.

Maybe someone can help with the rest but its time for my beauty sleep again (being ugly I really need it LOL).

As I said, it all rests with what other problems might be lurking.

some other bloke...


Report •

#64
January 8, 2010 at 18:30:34
Config.sys will show a menu giving an option to boot to windows or linux. If you choose linux it runs a file named 'grub.exe'. If you choose windows it exits config.sys and continues what would be a normal windows startup.

You said above you only installed linux because 98 wasn't working right. So I assume a successful 98 reinstall would mean you wouldn't need the linux?

But first, what are the fdisk results after entering the PATH command?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#65
January 8, 2010 at 18:43:57
path command? when i put that in command entry, i get bad command or file name.

Report •

#66
January 8, 2010 at 18:52:54
Typing PATH=A:\;D:\;E:\ and enter (# 58 above) gives 'bad command or file name'?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#67
January 8, 2010 at 19:04:09
i tried 2 times...path=a:\;d:\;e:\....and it went no where, just back to another prompt.

Report •

#68
January 8, 2010 at 19:27:55
Yeah, that's what it does. Then type fdisk and enter again. The path statement told the OS to look on a:, d: and e: for the fdisk command. If it's there at all it should be on one of those drives.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#69
January 8, 2010 at 19:40:42
i can put the fdisk in the next prompt, and it just says, "bad command or bad file". what is the fdisk? should something show up?
has been a long day trying to do this, and all the lil duffers my wife has me to do, so, i will go to bed for the nite, and try this tomorrow morning. if there are things you want me to try, just leave a note.
if i could ever manage to get to the point of useing the restore disc, would that put me back at only windows 98 se? it may be the best thing, for me to find the best way to uninstal puppy, i may mess something even more.
noticed on your post the ubuntu words. do you use ubuntu?

Report •

#70
January 8, 2010 at 20:09:43
No, I don't use ubuntu. It's just that every time I see that word I think of 'ungawa', the word Johnny Weissmuller's Tarzan would use to get the animals to do what he wanted. So "Ubuntu Cheeta" is Tarzan telling Cheeta (the pet chimp) to, I don't know, go make breakfast or something.

I don't know why it can't find fdisk. Maybe it's not on there. That's the problem when dealing with disks made by others. If you send me a private message with your email, or just post your email and then remove it later, I can send you the floppy image I use. I could experiment and see if it'll run from dos. And it might run from linux. Otherwise I guess it's not much use if your other PC has no floppy drive.

Or maybe tomorrow I'll make an cd iso and send that.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#71
January 9, 2010 at 05:12:24
you say something about a cd iso disc? i did take the image of the windows 98 se bootdisc, and used isoburn to make a windows 98 se bootdisc. what ever you are talking about sending, could i just make the disc, if i could see image?
what exactly is the bootdisc supposed to do?

Report •

#72
January 9, 2010 at 05:22:20
The boot disk will allow you to view the disk formatting as I stated above. Look at response #40 again.

Boot disk has fdisk, which works with the disk partitions. Format, which of course formats the partition in preparation for installing the operating system. Also has the necessary CD drivers and misc. stuff you don't need to worry about.

If you want to fix the computer you need to have a little faith that we know what we are doing.

As I see it, the ONLY real issue here is if you can't get a good installation key from the list. If that happens then put puppy back on by itself until you get a complete Windows.


Report •

#73
January 9, 2010 at 05:51:35
otheHill
i have made a bootdisc that is on a cd. does that make a difference, rather than a floppy? when i put it in the puter, start up, there is a lot of stuff there, with a prompt at the end, and i have not found where to go from there.
am trying to work with fdisc at the moment, but do not have access to floppy at this time. the fdisk is complicated from what i see. i do not understand all those numbers and letters.
also, i do want to fix the computer, and i incourage you to believe that i do have faith in you fellas, and you do know what you are doing, for the lack of faith, is in myself. i am nearly 70 years old, and these computers are still strange to me. i apologise, if anyone thinks, i don't think you don't know what you are talking about. i appreciate you.

Report •

#74
January 9, 2010 at 06:55:18
As I described above. Type Dir/p and hit enter. A list of all the files on the disk will be displayed.

Then you can see the exact wording for things like fdisk so you can type it correctly in order to enter the fdisk program. Reread #40 again.


Report •

#75
January 9, 2010 at 07:23:19
i go to boot order, and set the floppy to boot first. restart, set to command prompt. when i click enter, thesame log in screen comes up, but there isan error message below it. "error in your CONFIG.SYS file on line 3. press any key to continue".
I click enter, to continue, the dual boot for windows/puppy come up. i click windows, and a prompt area comes up, C:\>...........do not get an "A". is there something i need to do?

Report •

#76
January 9, 2010 at 07:59:09
just for information, and i do not understand it. this is what i see......
when i put the windows 98 se, bootdisk in, and turn puter on, i get a screen up that has 483 lines of information there. i do not really understand any of it. i click the help, F1, and i read until i see something that catches my eye.
if you can, start in safe, and use windows 98 help. set up fails, and computer will not start, few reasons why. also get help on set up, see SETUP.TXT in 98 folder, or, windows 98 cd or setup disk #1.
if you encounter any of these errors:
*invalid system disk
*incorrect MS-DOS version
*missing or corrupted commands
*compression drive errors
likely startup drive may need updated system files
use SYS commands to copy files
NOTE: if you are currently loading compression software, you will need to know your host drive letter. this is typically, H. if you are not loading any compression software, then you will need to SYS your "C" drive.
>>>to use the sys command to copy system files to your computer:
useing the windows 98 startup disk, select option 2. at A:\ prompt, type SYS X: (when X is your host or startup drive.

Report •

#77
January 9, 2010 at 09:05:23
If you are now booting to a CD then you need to set to boot to the CD first.

After the computer boots to the CD it will eventually stop with a command prompt showing. Then type dir/p to see what files are on the CD.

When booting to a CD you need to watch the start up screens for a message to hit any key to boot from the CD. Hit the spacebar at that time and the computer should start loading the CD.

If you don't see that message then one of two things are wrong. Either you have the boot order wrong (save when exiting the BIOS) or you made the disk wrong.


Report •

#78
January 9, 2010 at 09:17:30
jimbo

I just stumbled onto something that may help you. Look at the link below. This utility claims it can retreive the install key on a Windows installation even if it can't boot.

You would need to put it on a bootable disk but that would allow you to install from your Win98 CD.

http://www.magicaljellybean.com/key...


Report •

#79
January 9, 2010 at 09:39:03
Re #73

Don't think of age as being too much of a hinderance.
I won't see 73 again myself LOL and I'm sure the name
"OtheHill" has some significance..

some other bloke...


Report •

#80
January 9, 2010 at 10:12:13
had to go oude and fix busted water line, and i started working with windows 98 se disk. this is what i did....
switch boot to cd rom, inserted windows 98 se bootdisk, put the dir/p, and got to point of putting fdisk. i am now at a page i need an answer to. this is the message that is on my screen:
.................................................................................................................................................................................
your computer has a disk larger than 512 MB. this version of windows includes improved support for larger disk
IMPORTANT: if you enable large disc support & create any new drives on this disk, you will not be able to access the new drives useing other operating systems, includeing some versions of win 95 & windows NT, as well as earlier versions of windows & MS-DOS. inaddition, disk utilities that were not designed explicitly for FAT32 file system will not be able to work with this disk. if you need to access this disk with other operating systems or older disk utilities, do not enable large drive support.
do you wish to enable larger disk support y/n
can you tell me some about which to do, and what to expect next?

Report •

#81
January 9, 2010 at 10:21:18
if it will help, i can eleminat puppy....

Report •

#82
January 9, 2010 at 10:38:21
mmmmm, found this to help me, but with y lack of understanding, how can i understand this?.........
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/255867

Report •

#83
January 9, 2010 at 10:45:16
am going ahead as your instructions in post #40, and will get back.

Report •

#84
January 9, 2010 at 11:00:32
display partition information
currant fixed disk drives: 1
partition ...................c:/
status......................A
type.........................PRI DOS
volume label..............
Mbytes.....................19070
system.....................FAT32
usage.......................100%

total disk space is 19070 Mbytes (1 Mbyte= 1048576 bytes)

press esc to continue


Report •

#85
January 9, 2010 at 11:02:26
jimbo

That link is fine to use. Format using FAT32 after deleting the partitions and making one new partition.

Before doing that though just use fdisk to view the partitions using option 4. Post back the results


Report •

#86
January 9, 2010 at 11:04:20
is post # 84 what you want?
i do not understand format useinf fat32. me?

Report •

#87
January 9, 2010 at 11:18:55
Without me going back through all the responses, haw many hard drives are installed in this computer?

Yes, the information in #84 is what I was looking for.

If you only have one hard drive then puppy is on the same partition as Win98.

You could format the partition right now and it both Win98 and puppy would be gone.

However, if you can use the program I linked above to recover the Win98 key then you should be in a better position to re-install using the CD you have.

What do you think you want to do?

Keep in mind that if you format Win98 will be gone.


Report •

#88
January 9, 2010 at 11:23:05
i am at the point of starting over completely. then all i have to worry with is finding the right key. will you help me? if i am a pain, don't, for i will be ok, and if you will, just tell me what i need to do. just remember, i am not a very smart computer man.

Report •

#89
January 9, 2010 at 11:34:32
i have a dvdrom, cd/rw, floppy. is that what you say, hard drive?

Report •

#90
January 9, 2010 at 11:59:45
OK, I tested magicjellybean and it doesn't work from a boot disk. So there is no way to recover the key from your current Win98 installation. You may as well format the drive.

Boot to the CD you made and after you get a command prompt type format C:


Report •

#91
January 9, 2010 at 12:09:43
ok....clicked esc, and .......
FDISK OPTIONS
1.create dos partition orlogical dos drive
2.set active partition
3.delete partition or logical dos drive
4.display partition info

which of these i use to format?


Report •

#92
January 9, 2010 at 12:15:04
I didn't say to open fdisk. You need to use the format program on the CD.

from the command prompt type dir and see if you have format on the CD. If so from the command prompt type format C: and hit enter.


Report •

#93
January 9, 2010 at 12:16:14
ok, sorry

Report •

#94
January 9, 2010 at 12:29:38
No problem

Report •

#95
January 9, 2010 at 12:33:45
it run thru its cycle, volume serial # is 0156-15fe
and a prompt.......A:\>

Report •

#96
January 9, 2010 at 12:44:01
What ran through its cycle? Format? Try using fdisk again. you should see the the same info as you posted in #84.

If you do then boot to the Win98 CD and try to boot to it.

DAVEINCAPS & Derek, are you guys following? Jump in.


Report •

#97
January 9, 2010 at 12:59:29
well, when i put format C:, it told me that i was going to erase all contents, and went thru deleting, i guess. it showed 1% all the way to 100%. there was writing that was going on the screen, but it was so fast, i could not read. when it got thru, at the end, that was the reading in post #95.
now i put the windows 98 se disk i always had, and i get .........."invalid system disk, replace the disk & then press any key". the disk is pretty old.

Report •

#98
January 9, 2010 at 13:12:26
just for information, i have the original "recovery cd",that came with my Compaq computer, but the tech that built my system, said he was unable to use that disk, for it did not have what he needed to restore my windows. He rebuilt it, and furnished me with a windows 98 se restore disk. I have never used the "recovery cd", from compaq. is that helpful?
(quikrestore)

Report •

#99
January 9, 2010 at 13:18:39
If you have the restore CD then try booting to it now.

Report •

#100
January 9, 2010 at 13:40:15
i put the recovery cd in, turned computer off, then turned it on. it run for a few seconds, then this screen came up.
........................................................................................................................................................................
starting windows 98
microsoft ramdrive version 3.06 virtual disk D:
disksise: 3,072K
sector sise:512bytes
allocation unit:2 sectors
directory entries:64
atapi ide cd-rom device driver version v 1.23A
1drive(s) detected
unit 1, master, irq 15, 1/0 address 010170
mode prepare code page function completed
mode select code page function completed
MSCDEX version 2.25
copyright (C) Microsoft Corp
1986-1995 all rights reserved
Drive N:=drive1 DECD001 unit 0
A:\>........
.......................................................................................................................
PROMPT AT THE END

Report •

#101
January 9, 2010 at 13:56:38
That appears to just be a Win98 setup floppy disk on CD.

Do you have 2 CD drives? If so, place the full Win98 CD in the other drive and then change the A prompt to E. If a message says there is no E then try F or G. Then post back.


Report •

#102
January 9, 2010 at 14:05:13
well, that is one of the problems that was there before i started all this. at one time the dvd/rom, and the cd/rw, my computer did not see them. they were not even in my device manager. neither of the drawers would open, and no lights on the front of drives. i worked around with that by unplugging, from inside computer, one at a time. the cd/rw unplugged, would let the dvd/rom work, and lights on. i am doing everything now from the dvd/rom. when i lost the ability to even get my computer on, i haven't been working with that. when i plug the cd/rw back in, i can use neither.

Report •

#103
January 9, 2010 at 14:10:26
Are both of the CD drives on the same cable?

OK then, insert the full Win98 CD now and type Setup and hit enter. Don't reboot or anything.


Report •

#104
January 9, 2010 at 14:15:35
ok....i turn system on, insert disk, turn system off then type Setuo?

Report •

#105
January 9, 2010 at 14:22:48
NO. From where you said you were after running the other CD,

I expressly stated not to reboot.


Report •

#106
January 9, 2010 at 14:27:27
ok.....it still said the same thig, invalid disk.

Report •

#107
January 9, 2010 at 14:29:11
OK then, lets try to get the other CD drive working. Disconnect the working unit and connect the other one to see what happens.

Report •

#108
January 9, 2010 at 14:38:50
Just come on but can't stay long. Phew this post has gone up by 35 since I last saw it.

Can I ask one of my silly questions? It's a kinda repeat of what I asked way back but I'm still none too clear about it.
Do you have a CD with "Windows 98" printed on it?

some other bloke...


Report •

#109
January 9, 2010 at 14:39:43
i unplugged the dvd rom, and plugged the cd/rw, turned puter on, and it acted like no power to cd/rw, for no lights would come on with cd/rw, and carrage would not open.

Report •

#110
January 9, 2010 at 14:57:02
Did you connect both the power and the data cables?

Report •

#111
January 9, 2010 at 15:05:38
yes, i even tried both plugs for top and bottom drives.

Report •

#112
January 9, 2010 at 15:20:45
Do you have a CD with "Windows 98" printed on it?

some other bloke...


Report •

#113
January 9, 2010 at 15:21:54
What does "i even tried both plugs for top and bottom drives" mean?

It appears that drive is dead. I recommend you remove it at some point and pitch it.

There are a couple of methods that can be used to finish this. The thing is I am not confident we can get there from here without DAVE or Derek.

I do have another idea though. Can you view the full Win98 CD using your other computer? Try inserting it while in Windows and if it wants to start to install just cancel it. Then right click on the drive letter for the CD drive with the Win98 CD and choose explore. Do you see any folder called I386?


Report •

#114
January 9, 2010 at 15:22:24
I am going to close for tonight. We have other plans for supper tonight.
Unless you can think of something else to try, it seems as if i have 2 options at this point. If the cd/rw is truely bad, maybe i could look for a new drive that is compatable to windows 98. One that has cd and dvd capability.
the other option, if the dvd/rom is not reading, because it is cd, maybe there is a way to convert the cd over to dvd? i don't know. i am just thinking.
I will check back to see if you come up with anything later. I really appreciate your help.

Report •

#115
January 9, 2010 at 15:24:59
Derek, welcome back. Jimbo has a Win98 CD that evidently is not bootable and only has one CD drive. I was just thinking of copying the 386 files over to the hard drive. He has what some tech told him is a Win98 restore CD. I think it is a Win98 setup disk on CD. Look at it in #100.

Report •

#116
January 9, 2010 at 15:57:37
i looked for the 1386 files, but i did not see any. there were so many, i dunno. can i get them, or something? can i make a new disk or something?
the cd that i have, is not a black and white. it a cd, that the tech put a landscape lable on, with "windows 98 se" stenciled on it, along with the key on the lable, but it is about 8 or 9 years old.
the "recovery cd", is a blue tinted one from Compact, with "recovery cd" written on it. in smaller print, on the side, it says, FOR USE WITH.....Quikrestore, if windows will not start or to make an emegrency diskette....that is all.
my wife hollering at me now, or she be p---- at all of us. if you fellas can think of something for me to do, just leave me a note. I like all of you, Jimmy

Report •

#117
January 9, 2010 at 16:04:13
OK, I get it now (so many posts LOL). I just wanted to keep track of what resources jimbo had to hand.

I think it should be feasible to get a suitable floppy bootdisk and use that to copy over the W98SE stuff from the good CD drive to the C drive. That's assuming the floppy drive is present and working.

some other bloke...


Report •

#118
January 9, 2010 at 16:04:51
Hey Derek- I found a CN thread that DAVEINCAPS talks about making a bootable Win98 CD. jimbo has already managed to make a bootable cd. What do you think about making his Win98 CD bootable?

Report •

#119
January 9, 2010 at 16:07:18
Somehow he got fdisk to run. Looks like one 20 gig HD. His config.sys seems to indicate a single partition so just formatting will get rid of everything, which I guess he's done. I'd recommended using DIAG in # 49, a dos program to find the key, but too late for that now.

He's booted with his cd disk so that should work. Don't know why he's having problems with it now. We need to take a look at whatever he has in the way of 98 disks. If he has one with the WIN98 folder then a reinstall shouldn't be a problem.

The disk he used to start it up in # 100 should work. After booting, just take it out and put the regular 98 disk in and start the install. The cdrom letter there is N: Or maybe the install files are already on that disk and he only needs to type SETUP.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#120
January 9, 2010 at 16:09:14
OtheHIll

Re #118. Point me to the thread. I recall something about this, although I would have thought it would mean burning a modified CD.

I think we overlapped - what's the floppy situation (my #117)?

EDIT
Ooopsy, we're all overlapping nicely again. Sure, #119 seems like the neatest option.

some other bloke...


Report •

#121
January 9, 2010 at 16:20:23
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

No floppy drive in jimbo's computer. That is why he is using a CD boot disk. #100 shows the contents of the Compaq recovery CD. Looks like part of a set.

I haven't been able to get jimbo to post all the files on his boot CD. I did walk him through viewing his drive with fdisk. Then deleting the partition and creating a new one. Then formating the new partition. I assume the correct files are on the boot CD but I don't know how to start with the boot CD and then swap out the disks for the Win98 CD.

One odd thing is that the boot CD was evidently made as a floppy image so it comes up with an A prompt.

I think either need to make a bootable Win98 install disk or copy the Windows files to the hard drive. In #116 he answers me about the Windows files.

Hey, isn't it about your bed time? What is it on that side of the pond? 12:30 AM?


Report •

#122
January 9, 2010 at 16:30:23
OtheHill

Err...yes, about 12.30. Despite my good intentions the last couple of nights were 2.30 am. I'll slip off now.

Nite all

some other bloke...


Report •

#123
January 9, 2010 at 19:39:11
About the link in # 121, I hadn't yet used jo.sys on a bootable cd and just now did some experimenting. You don't use jo.sys instead of io.sys, you add jo.sys to the system disk. And apparently it needs to be physically located on that disk right after the system files. I'd added it to a regular 98 bootdisk after all the other files and it locked up when booting.

So I took a blank disk and did a sys a:. That usually adds drvspace.bin as a hidden file so I deleted that. Then I added jo.sys and it booted with that floppy disk and gave the jo.sys boot option.

I made a config.sys that loaded himem.sys and oakcdrom.sys and an autoexec.bat with mscdex.exe.

Then I made a bootable cd with nero. The files to burn were fdisk, format, sys, diag, attrib and deltree. For the system disk I used the floppy I'd created above.

I booted with that cd on an old gateway and got the jo.sys options. It ended up at an a:\> prompt. A dir there showed the system files from the floppy I'd used--jo.sys, config.sys, autoexec.bat, oakcdrom.sys, himem.sys and mscdex.exe. So A: was a virtual drive showing the system files on the cd. The actual floppy drive had become drive B:.

Mscdex had set the cdrom drive letter as E:. A dir there showed the files I'd added--fdisk, format, etc.

So using jo.sys worked fine. The only difference between using jo.sys and not using it is you don't get the cdrom/hard drive boot option.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#124
January 9, 2010 at 21:01:50
DAVEINCAPS

I didn't think you were following. Let me know if you need to be brought up to speed. I think I pretty much covered it for Derek.

My bedtime now. Be back tomorrow.


Report •

#125
January 9, 2010 at 21:31:49
well, it is now 12:10, and got home to see any messages. you have been busy. i know you must know what you are talking about, because i don't know any of that. the only thing i saw was, you said you have a nero burner. i can relate to that, because i have a Sonic.
are these some things maybe i can do? if you can make a step chart on what i can do, send me a message, and i can copy and print as a guide from one step to the other. it will have to be a detailed guide, for a lot of words i see, do not tell me what i see. like someone telling me not to boot, and i ask a question about booting.
i am working now to find out why i get the messages i do about the floppy. i have some old floppies at home, that i bought from when i was employed, just put it in and would type something in notebook, then save it to my desktop. then i would right the document, to send to floppy. it would then ask me about formatting disk, i then click start. a message about erasing contents, and i click ok. just a moment later i get message disk cannot be formated. i move the little slide on back of floppy for no write, and write, but i kept get the message. i tried other disk, other things to send there, and was never successful. all that is why i say i have no floppy. if you know what i am not doing, or maybe it will just work. i have never used the floppy since i had the computer.
all the information you talk about in #123, do you feel like it (windows 98 se) can be put on another cd? there are so many things other people can do with these computers, i know there must be something i can do. if another cd, or dvd can be made, that would be great. the one here does have some scuff marks on it.
i looked again on that windows 98 se disk for the 1386 folder you were asking about, and did not see it. oh, by the way, i sent you a message from one of the text files that talks about installing windows. meant nothing to me, but i know you may see something.
know you all must be in bed now, and i will do the same. i will swap that drive back around on the old computer in the morning, and check for a message then. is there a limit to the amount of post a person can make in 1 of these threads? i don't want to cause any problems. you have a good day, all. Jimmy


Report •

#126
January 9, 2010 at 22:17:05
There won't be an I386 folder on the 98 disk. It will have 5 folders--ADD-ONS, CDSAMPLE, DRIVERS, TOOLS and WIN98 along with a few files, one of which should be SETUP.EXE.

The WIN98 folder is the only one actually needed to install 98. So a homemade disk may be able to to the install as long as it has that folder.

I take it you were having problems with the cdrom, DVD, whatever it is. We just need to get that to boot up, perhaps with the cd you used in # 100.

In the meantime, on your working PC, take a look at the CD's you have and see if any have the WIN98 folder.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#127
January 9, 2010 at 22:23:02
Thanks OtheHill, the thread is moving pretty fast and I got a late start today. Seems like at this point it's just getting his optical device working.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#128
January 10, 2010 at 05:24:52
good day all. checking for messages before i start changing the cd/rom around, i did see what you are talking about. there was on the disk, a list of folders and things.
add ons
drivers
win98
read me
setup tip
cd samples
tools
autorun
setup
all of these had some withen, and those withen, had things withen. they were all greek to me, but maybe they hold the tools to work with.

Report •

#129
January 10, 2010 at 07:27:53
jimbo

I am going to sit back and follow this thread but let the others help you either get a floppy drive installed and working or make a bootable Win98 CD.

DAVE, FYI jimbo has only one working optical drive and currently no floppy drive. His last post indicates he may have one on a slelf somewhere. He has made a bootable CD using the floppy image so it boots with an A prompt. The hard drive was viewed (#84) then partitions deleted and recreated and then formatted. The drive should be good to go.


Report •

#130
January 10, 2010 at 11:36:29
jimbo

DAVE obviously has a likely looking plan but he usually comes on rather later.
In the meantime perhaps I can pave the way a little towards his idea. I'm a bit
"on and off" at the moment but will pop back from time to time to see what gives.

How are you getting on with the CD drives? If you can get both working then even better. Although not essential for Dave's idea, if you have a spare floppy drive somewhere it would be worth popping it in to see if it works because we still might end up needing it.

some other bloke...


Report •

#131
January 10, 2010 at 12:02:24
Derek
my older computer has, dvd/rom, cr/rw/and a floppy. i do not know if the floppy works, for i never used it. post #102 explains a little abot my cd drives. tried to swap back to both drives, directly to cd/rw, but the only way i can get the dvd/rom to react, is to unplug the cd/rw. once before, on another computer that had 1 drive in the computer (cd). i wanted dvd access, so, i purchased litton dvd/cd writer. put it in empty case, installed nero disc for drives, and was happy with it. i may eventually do that with this one.
i do have another computer that has a floppy on it, that i have never used. the computer is about 7 years old. only the other nite, since i started this thread, have i put a disc in there. i had a floppy disc i bought home from work, one day, that has been just lying around. i put it in, it wanted to format, and i said ok. a moment later, a message disk cannot be formated. well, i thougt i would update drivers, that did not help. i uninstalled, turned computer off, and on to recall floppy. that did not work either, i would open my notepad, and type, save to desktop, then try to send to floppy. everytime i would try something, i would get a format message, then, the disk cannot be formated. i am going to town tomorrow and get some new disk, and go from there.
you know this thread has a lot of post, and i am takeing a lot of you guys time and work. i am almost positive, if we manage to get this thing to doing something, there will be questions i will want to come back and ask. with the time, and all the post in a thread, i don't want to be like that neighbor next door that has dog that wants to bark all night. i will wait for Dave and his post, and hope you stick around to help. i duffer around with my computer, and keep busy, while checking back here for post also. thanks for the concern.

Report •

#132
January 10, 2010 at 12:18:45
jimbo

As I told you above one of your CD drives appears to be dead and should be removed. We tried it by itself and it wouldn't even light up or open the tray.

If you have a floppy drive, which I thought you said above you didn't, then If you have a floppy disk lying around I suggest your try this. Boot into the BIOS screens and set the boot order for the floppy drive first, the CD drive second and the hard drive third. Save then exiting the BIOS screens.

Now insert the floppy disk and reboot. If your floppy drive is working the computer should try to boot from the floppy disk. If the floppy disk is not a bootable disk then you will get an error but it will show us the floppy works.

If you had a working floppy drive then you could just make another boot floppy from Bootdisk.com on a floppy disk. Doing that simplifies the win(* installation.

Once the boot disk has done its thing then you can get Win98 to install without the need to swap disks. Try the floppy drive please.


Report •

#133
January 10, 2010 at 12:31:06
Don't worry, you've a way to go before you beat the record on number of posts.

Apart from trying to sort out the floppy drive, you might care to boot again with that recovery CD (power on with CD in drive) and confirm that you can still get the output you got in 100. I'm just checking to see that you can still boot to a CD before we go any further.

Let us know if you get the floppy working.

some other bloke...


Report •

#134
January 10, 2010 at 12:40:23
i set to boot in floppy, turn it off, then on. the COMPAQ logo come up for a few seconds, then the screen is black, with a small, blinking, curser looking spot in the upper left part of the screen, and is still like that at this moment.
as far as me and the floppy, i have another computer that has a floppy, but i haven't made it work. that is the point of referance as to the floppy i did not have. post # 131 tells about that.
as far as the drive that did not work, i have put the ribbon, data, and power back to the drive that seems to be working. nothing is plugged to the drive i am not useing. i will remove, and junk. does it need to be done at this time, now?

Report •

#135
January 10, 2010 at 12:56:19
the recovery cd showed exactly the same, except one word...."master". it is now "slave". i think i know why that is, for when i was swapping the drives around trying to make the cd/rw work, i manage to knock the very small clip on the back of the drive off, and it feel to the floor, and a bunch of my grandkids toys are there, so i did not find it. i put the drive back without the clip. sound good to you?

Report •

#136
January 10, 2010 at 13:41:30
It's a little jumper which bridges a connection to set it to master or slave, depending on its position. It would be better to set it back to master.

Have you any old HD's around you could take one from?
It's highly likely there is one on that dud CD drive which will fit.

some other bloke...


Report •

#137
January 10, 2010 at 13:50:28
yes, my son
has an old computer that is all torn up, but i imagine the jumper is there. i will get it.

Report •

#138
January 10, 2010 at 13:51:53
The positions are usually marked. They vary but this link shows the concept:-

http://www.build-your-own-computer....

some other bloke...


Report •

#139
January 10, 2010 at 14:03:55
i put it on as i rememberd when it came of, did the restore cd again, and it showed as master. should that be good?

Report •

#140
January 10, 2010 at 14:42:08
That's fine.

We can now have a go at DAVE's suggestion in #119.

Firstly boot from the Recovery CD.

When you have the screen referred to in #100 remove the CD.

Without rebooting, insert the CD you referred to in #128.

Type:
Setup

...and hit return.

See if W98 starts installing.

some other bloke...


Report •

#141
January 10, 2010 at 14:58:16
Derek, been there and done that. I think getting a floppy drive working would be the easiest.

Report •

#142
January 10, 2010 at 15:00:48
Good idea to get the floppy working but what exactly happened when you tried #140 previously (error messages etc)? I'm thinking we might have to change directory to W98 - there's usually another setup.exe in there and it could be the one it needs. Also did you allow time for the CD to run up?

EDIT EDIT EDIT
Ooops OtheHill I thought you were the poster. However, I still wonder if the CD was allowed to run up fully and whether cd Win98 followed by setup would do the trick. I don't recall seeing that done.

some other bloke...


Report •

#143
January 10, 2010 at 15:14:28
Reread #100-106 to see what went on. I also instructed jimbo to change drive letters and hit enter. Not really sure what happened. Perhaps the cD drivers are not being copied to the hard drive or swapping the disks makes the drivers inaccessible.

Guess you could try again. Seems to me if jimbo had a floppy drive you would just boot to the floppy with the Win98 CD in place and then go to setup.

I was never able to determine what is on the boot CD jimbo made. I know it has fdisk and format but not sure if the other required files are present. You may want to get him to have a look at that CD. The Compaq recovery CD is useless IMO and should be placed aside to avoid confusion.


Report •

#144
January 10, 2010 at 15:20:40
where you said hit return? i don't have return, i clicked enter. was that wrong? i got after enter.......................
general failure reading drive A
abort, retry, fail? bad command or file name.

general failure reading drive A
abort, retry, fail? current drive is no longer valid>\


Report •

#145
January 10, 2010 at 15:21:44
Othehill

OK I've read #100-106 but I think we should give it another go if jimbo is still around. I would like to see if the situation has now changed or shifting to W98 folder would help.

Jimbo
Are you willing to give 140 another go? If it still says invalid disk then we should get the floppy working and go that way.

some other bloke...


Report •

#146
January 10, 2010 at 15:22:02
what is the recovery cd verses the windows boot disk? can the bootdisk do the same as the recovery cd?

Report •

#147
January 10, 2010 at 15:27:29
jimbo

The recovery CD is useless without the rest of it. There should have either been another CD or a hidden partition on the hard drive. You don't have either.

Try what Derek is asking you to do.


Report •

#148
January 10, 2010 at 15:27:49
Jimbo

Sorry, we're overlapping. Yes Enter is fine.

If you want to have another try, after the CD is swapped wait a few seconds to ensure it has run up.

This time type:

n:

(hit Enter as usual with commands)

See if you get an N prompt. If so type setup and hit Enter again.

some other bloke...


Report •

#149
January 10, 2010 at 15:28:25
then i need 2 floppy disk, huh? 1 to make the boot disk, and 1 to use on the older computer that i am trying to get up.

Report •

#150
January 10, 2010 at 15:32:53
First try what Derek asked you to do.

If you do need a floppy drive you would first download the floopy image from Bootdisk.com and open it to the floppy disk.

You only need ONE floppy drive in the computer we are trying to fix. Derek is trying to get you running without the floppy. have patience and try what he asks.


Report •

#151
January 10, 2010 at 15:34:48
OtheHill

The way I see it the CD at #128 could contain Win98, but we went to the A drive. It might be N we want (from previous posts).

some other bloke...


Report •

#152
January 10, 2010 at 15:35:25
ok, i put n: there, and it jumped to an n prompt, rather than A. i then put setup:, enter
my message now is......setup is now going to perform a routine check on your system.
to continue press enter

Report •

#153
January 10, 2010 at 15:37:55
jimbo, that is great. Press enter.

Report •

#154
January 10, 2010 at 15:38:03
Press Enter.

EDIT
OtheHill
Ooops yet another overlap LOL.

Next prediction - no product key!

some other bloke...


Report •

#155
January 10, 2010 at 15:44:32
if i just tried the key # i got, it would not hurt me on backing out and doing another time?

Report •

#156
January 10, 2010 at 15:47:12
As far as I recall you can keep trying.

If you get stuck in this respect I might be able to help.

Sorry about "Return" (the big key was called that at one time).

some other bloke...


Report •

#157
January 10, 2010 at 15:50:35
jimbo

I suggest you leave that screen open for a bit and find the list of keys you have. Start trying them.


Report •

#158
January 10, 2010 at 15:51:21
i went ahead and pressed enter. it ran a scan disk, and blue screen now says............
microsoft scandisk
scandisk checked the following drives:
drive C had no errors
drive D had no errors


(view log) (exit)


Report •

#159
January 10, 2010 at 15:52:31
So has it stopped or is it continuing?

some other bloke...


Report •

#160
January 10, 2010 at 15:54:33
I am confused now. I don't know what drive D might be.

jimbo, I asked you before, is there more than one hard drive installed in this computer?


Report •

#161
January 10, 2010 at 15:56:17
i am just set

seting on that screen waiting on best place to click. i am going ahead with view.....


Report •

#162
January 10, 2010 at 15:58:23
View will probably just give you info.

Try Exit

Yes it does seem like you have another HD but we can still try to install on C.
If we can get Windows up all will be revealed a lot easier. Maybe Linux is on the other one.

Did it accept the key?

some other bloke...


Report •

#163
January 10, 2010 at 16:04:40
the options i see now were to view log, or to exit. i clicked view log, and it showed a report on that.............
directory structure........no problems
file allocation table.......no problems
file system..................no problems
surface scan..............did not perform
this report for "C", and "A"...both same report
now, i do not know which way to go from there.

Report •

#164
January 10, 2010 at 16:05:53
have not reached key yet.....going to do exit now.

Report •

#165
January 10, 2010 at 16:08:42
Try Exit unless there is some other obvious way forward. Best try Enter and Esc (in that order) before giving up.

Otherwise I can only suggest that you repeat the process but like this instead:

Without rebooting, insert the CD you referred to in #128.

Type each of the following three commands (hit Enter after each one):

n:

cd Win98

setup

... see if W98 starts installing...

some other bloke...


Report •

#166
January 10, 2010 at 16:09:12
Derek, #84 is what fdisk showed. I asked if there was a #5 option in fdisk. Not sure if jimbo answered.

I PMed jimbo about keys.


Report •

#167
January 10, 2010 at 16:16:10
OtheHill

Thx. Very odd that other drive.

I've never seen that pause after scandisk but as we used a purpose made CD bootdisk about anything could happen.

I'll keep going on the same track for a bit but that ole clock seems to have speeded up again.

some other bloke...


Report •

#168
January 10, 2010 at 16:24:51
ok.....everything went to the key. i tried about 8 keys that i come in contact with, but none of them worked. is all i need is a key now? there MUST be away to hack around that. i even use the key that is on the side of my computer, and it don't work. i will keep checking for an idea, or suggestion.

Report •

#169
January 10, 2010 at 16:29:12
Watch your PM

some other bloke...


Report •

#170
January 10, 2010 at 16:31:22
jimbo, PM is Private Messages

Report •

#171
January 10, 2010 at 16:35:04
I believe he said he had an COA sticker with a key. That should work if the install disk is OEM.

Jimbo, when you had the original 98 that was corrupted you attempted installations and got to the 'enter the product key' part. The installation now should follow that same procedure. That is, it shouldn't stop after scandisk. If for some reason it's still doing that try setup/is instead just SETUP. That tells the installation to skip scandisk.

I take it you're using the disk you described in # 128 to do the install? Can you boot from that disk also or are you using a different disk to boot from?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#172
January 10, 2010 at 16:35:17
jimbo

Looks like we were on the right track so forget my #165.

Let's hope we can get around the current problem.

The way we are doing it there is a possibility that it will install drivers (otherwise that's the next issue to solve).

some other bloke...


Report •

#173
January 10, 2010 at 16:36:55
OK, a lot happened while I was posting. Do you know if the keys being tried are OEM or retail?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#174
January 10, 2010 at 16:41:48
DAVEINCAPS

Not sure about mine.

Looks like your idea has resulted in some progress.

I'll hold on until 1am (15 mins time) but then I better opt out for tonight.

some other bloke...


Report •

#175
January 10, 2010 at 16:43:01
If I recall, a retail disk has you enter the key at the beginning of the install and an OEM more toward the end.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#176
January 10, 2010 at 16:47:35
I have a few keys I've marked as retail we can try. But Jimbo, among others, try the key on the COA sticker. I've found OEM keys to be universal for all OEM disks. So if the one on the sticker doesn't work you must have a retail disk.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#177
January 10, 2010 at 16:48:47
Need to find keys. I have resources in that area. We don't know if the disk is for original or se either. Are are Win98 keys 4 groups of 4?

Report •

#178
January 10, 2010 at 16:51:27
EDIT (AGAIN)

I sent W98SE followed by W98FE

Both were 5 groups of 5

Hope I've got it right this time LOL

some other bloke...


Report •

#179
January 10, 2010 at 16:55:46
jimbo may be trying to figure out PMing. I think I am going to try TV for a bit. Will pop back from time to time. Can help with what is now needed if necessary. Will need email.

Report •

#180
January 10, 2010 at 17:00:40
all i know about the disc, is, the tech that worked on my computer give it to me when he finished reinstalling windows. i don't feel it is retail. i am going to start looking at the, more keys, i am in contact with to see if they work. ok? just don't forget me, ok?

Report •

#181
January 10, 2010 at 17:01:09
98 keys are all 25 alpha numeric characters, that is XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX. Is that what you mean? FE and SE doesn't matter, at least with OEM. Retail upgrade keys are different too.

Jimbo had sent me a PM previously when I'd mentioned sending a disk image so I think he's OK with that.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#182
January 10, 2010 at 17:03:27
jimbo

If you are forced to put your email address on a forum rather than in Private Messages make sure it is disguised otherwise the spammers engines will pick it up and send junk email forever. Many ways, here's one:

jimbo
dot
jones
"at sign"
hotpoint
dot
com

EDIT
Looks like you've got PM sorted so no need for this warning.

some other bloke...


Report •

#183
January 10, 2010 at 17:06:03
Dave, if i create another disc somehow, will i still have same problem with a key? if not, i sure would like to lighten my mind about that stupid key, for it has been a burden for over 4 years now. if not, the only thing is searching for something that works.

Report •

#184
January 10, 2010 at 17:08:44
Seems mine were a no go.

Ref Key:
Were there 5 boxes to fill?
Gotta opt out for tonight but I expect DAVE would like to know.

Nite

PS Re #180.
None of the three of us helping will "forget you". It's just a matter of how
much spare time we have available to assist - which can be a variable.

some other bloke...


Report •

#185
January 10, 2010 at 17:16:23
jimbo, send me your email by using private messaging.

You are correct about the key needing 5 sets of 4.


Report •

#186
January 10, 2010 at 17:30:52
i am out for tonight, for i must spend a few minutes with the boss. she just laughs at all my post. if any are on, leave me a note, for you know i will get back.

Dave
yes, it is 5 slots.


Report •

#187
January 10, 2010 at 17:35:30
I just sent some OEM and (probably) retail keys. Be careful of B's and 8's. Let me know if any work. If not I guess we can mail you a 98 disk that will work with the keys.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#188
January 10, 2010 at 18:41:04
Try here:

Windows OS Product Codes and CD Keys


Report •

#189
January 10, 2010 at 18:53:06
jimbo, check your email

Report •

#190
January 10, 2010 at 22:08:55
well, i spent a while going thru the keys, BUT, i found one thar would let the windows 98 se disk run. once it started, i just let it run. When i come to a multiple question, i would click "recommended". I did have one phase, when it was takeing some of the files off the disk, wow, there was a lot that were missing. Each time an error would come up, i started off skiping, thinking i would find them another time, but there were a lot of them. i am going to put them here, maybe you can look thru, and tell me something about them.
....................................................................................................................................................................................................
ipcfg.dll dtlcpcsvc.dll icmp.dll ienpstub.dll
inetmibl.dll routetab.dll rnr20.dll rapilib.dll
qosname.dll protocol networks mslocusr.dll
msafd.dll iphlrapi.dll rpcltc3.dll rpclts3.dll
rsvpsp.dll secur32.dll services snmpapi.dll
svrapi.dll vdhcp.386 vip.386 vnbt.386
vtcp.386 vtdi.386 vudp.386 arp.exe
ftp.exe hosts.sam iconfig.exe lmhosts.sam
locproxy.exe locproxy2.exe nbtstat.exe netstat.exe
ping.exe route.exe rsvp.exe telnet.hlp
tracert.exe winipcfg.exe afyxd.vxd ndis.vxd
ndis2sup.vxd ndiswmi.sys pppmac.vxd vnetbios.vxd
wshtcp.vxd
......................................................................................................................................................................................................
about 3 times during these downloads, i would get a message asking me to insert the 98 disc, but i would just click ok, and it would go on.
some of the things i saw that i was dealing with, was when i first turn on, after a moment i get a message about a system file, and driver missing. at the end of the message, it showed, "vnetbios.vxd", press any button to continue, then it loads on up to my desktop.
i would get a message about something installed, pci card, and wanted me to search for driver. i would always get after search, unable to find. i would also get the same thing about pci multimedia audio device. i would try and find something in updates, but couldnot. i only felt the audio was pretaining to the speakers i had pluged in. I would look for drivers listed, for allegro something, for i think i remember seeing that before in device managet.
after working with that, i started to try and install my Belkin adapter, to see if i could get hooked up on line, in order to get some kind of anti virus installed. i have the belkin disc, that i made. when i got the adapter i had the old windows 98 se set up. i could never get internet connection on windows, but could on puppy. in my device manager, it always showed up, in windows, but always had the yellow question mark on it. i never understood it. Belkin sent me to a download for belkin useing windows 98, and i put it on a disk. now when i try to open it, it runs for a moment, then stops, and error message pops up telling me about an ilegal action.
There are probably other things that are comeing that i need to do, and i will probably have to ask you guys again. my first question, is, when i come back, can i just make another thread for that? if you can understand my story, and you want to know, or ask something, i will be back by here tomorrow to seek advice on this download. It maybe that with some of the things are so pertanent toward the performance of the windows 98 se, that i need to do something else.
it is late, and we must go buy some groceries in the morning, but i will be back later. i feel good that you got me this far, thank you a lot.
Jimmy

Report •

#191
January 10, 2010 at 22:36:52
ARRG, please don't put those separating dots in there. It screws up the page. Or at least don't extend them so far that a scrolling bar is necessary to view the post.

If you're installing 98 and you get messages about missing files it almost always means the cdrom can't read the cd since the files ARE on the disk. So either the disk is bad or the cdrom is going bad.

When the installation is done it's normal for some hardware--video, audio, LAN, etc.--to not be properly identified. That's because the hardware came out after 98, or it's obscure hardware for which MS just didn't see fit to include drivers. That's when you go to the manufacturer's site (compaq?) and download the necessary driver files.

Just curious, was it one of the keys I sent? If so which one? Just post back the first 5 characters. It must have been a retail disk since it asked for the key before the bulk of the installaiton.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#192
January 10, 2010 at 22:52:26
I suppose bad ram could also cause the 'missing file' errors when installing 98.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#193
January 11, 2010 at 07:04:05
I did not mean to make it that way, for i used my notepade to write, and paste it here. i saw the confusion, and tried to use space bars, trying to make it better, and it didn't. it was late, and i just left it like that.
the key that finaly worked was a retail version. the number began, FQR7D. I will take the missing files, and search for downloads for what i can. The sound, i will work with that also, to try and get. The first, i will try and make the Belkin adapter work, thru Belkin, and if i can't, i will then go to dial up.Can you tell me about bad ram? Can it be tuned up, cleaned, or replaced?
I will be back for advice, and plan to do it on individual threads, rather than makeing this one longer, is that ok? you 3 fellas have helped me tramendously, and i appreciat it. I will still need help with these things, so don't be surprised to see other post by me. If you have advice, i will keep checking this thread, or you can use that email, if you want. going to town for now, and catch you later. thanks. Jimmy


Report •

#194
January 11, 2010 at 07:22:14
Just a general comment RE #192:

When you've been inside an old machine it is very easy for the smallest of vibrations to expose RAM edge connector problems due to oxydization. I usually clean the RAM edge connectors with a pencil eraser then pop the RAM sticks in and out a few times to ensure the sockets are clean. The same goes for any other edge connectors such as add-on cards. I've been caught many times and spent hours fiddling with software only to find edge connectors were the culprit.

One little question - have you established that this is definitely W98SE (rather than first edition)?

Glad to hear that you are up and running and that this was helped by a bit of team spirit from this forum.

some other bloke...


Report •

#195
January 11, 2010 at 11:33:16
the memory cards are the only thing i have pulled in and out. Is this what is called ram? Anything that is inserted by the exposed metal ends, van i do all them like that?
No, i do not feel this is the second edition, and i feel it is just the 98. I am searching for some kind of patch for 98, that will probably bring it up to the second edition, and possibly give me some of those missing mentioned in, post #190, (if you can desifer).if you have, or know of a download that would give me some of this, let me know, and i will put on a disk, then open on the old puter.
Have tried Belkin download for my usb adapter, to try and get on line, but have been unsuccesful so far. I am searching first, then i will call Belkin again. The download i have now, is one that i got from them about a year ago, but when i try to open, it runs, then closes for illegal operation. Thanks for the enquiry. keep me informed.

Report •

#196
January 11, 2010 at 11:40:17
Yes the memory cards are RAM (Random Access Memory).

Right click on My Computer and choose properties. What does it say there for the Win 98 version?

There is no patch to go from Win98 original to SE (Second Edition).

You may need to install a network card, unless you already have a connection in the computer. Looks like a phone jack bu a little wider.

Be sure the computer is unplugged when removing the RAM. All you need to do with the RAM is snap it in and out 4 or 5 times each stick.

Be sure to write down the install key right on the CD with felt tip pen.

Now that you are up and running how many drive letters show in My Computer?


Report •

#197
January 11, 2010 at 11:55:08
Re #195. "exposed metal ends" - yes they are all edge connectors.

As your text is off page in #190 I can't really follow it. Did that list of files come up during Windows install or when you were doing something afterwards?

You often see W98SE CD's in eBay.

some other bloke...


Report •

#198
January 11, 2010 at 12:06:10
when the 98 disc was loadinf the files, i would get an error message that "file could not be found". i chosed the option to skip, for i thought i could find it after the instal, but there were a lot of them, dll files, vxd files, etc., like (rapilib.dll). There wound up being a lot of them, so i am hopeful there is a patch that will give me back a lot of them. do you have access to some kind of windows 98 upgrade, or some kind of patch?

Report •

#199
January 11, 2010 at 12:13:20
There's no patch.

I'd suggest that either the RAM or CD - dirty or scratched, were playing up during install. It means the Windows install
wasn't too good.

some other bloke...


Report •

#200
January 11, 2010 at 12:14:40
I suggest that you use your newer computer to make a copy of the Win98 CD. Set the copy program to verify the files when copying.

inf files are generally drives and not that important. Go to Device Manager to see if any hardware is not working properly.

Wash the CD with mild dish soap and dry well. After you have a newer CD with Win98 on it you can perform an over the top installation.

Why do you ignore some of my questions?

Now that you are up and running how many drive letters show in My Computer?


Report •

#201
January 11, 2010 at 13:13:12
ok, my plans are to try and do something toward a better windos disk, for future uses. do i just use my sonic to. as you say, make copy, because, when i put disk in, select copy, i get, "cannot copy, may be corrupt, or dirty". I will try your cleaning suggestion, and try again. I got in the back of my mind, if i manage to get the missing files replaced, files up to date, and reach a point of not haveing to add updates, is there a way yo take my system, and makeing a backup disk of my computer at that point?
realy, i do not ignore anything like this, for my mind does not just do. for the last three days, i have notes, disk, books, pencils, strowed all over the place, and my mind feels the same way. You, Derek, and Dave, have been a great help to me. By the way, i ask a question in one of my mails to you, "what can i call you"? "Bill"? not really important, just nice.
those inf files, can i just not mess with them? do you have a suggestion about the dll, vxd, and any other ones, for i am beating my head against the wall to try and find some. thanks for the reply.

Report •

#202
January 11, 2010 at 13:23:17
useing OtheHill suggestion, and Dereks comments about the disk. would i just clean the disk, open it and click install to do an over the top instal?...........
Othehill,
see what i mean, by my mind just doesn't do what is expected to do. I have the drive that was messing up, pulled out. when i put a floppy disk in, it doesn't do anything either, but the cd's show up so far. as far as what is showing on my computer, i have "A"", "C", and "D". D is the cd, c is the main thing, and a is the floppy. sorry about that. surely you will get to this point.

Report •

#203
January 11, 2010 at 13:41:11
The files it couldn't find during the install are on the cd. You can extract them individually from the CD using START--RUN and type in SFC and choose to extract a file. Have the cd in the cdrom. If it autostarts just close the window. For most files 98 will know where to put them. DLL and VXD files usually go in windows\system. Inf files go in windows\inf.

As OtheHill says in # 196 right click on 'my computer' and choose 'properties' to find what 98 version you have. If it's second edition it'll say that. If it doesn't then it's first edition.

There may be a problem with the belkin stuff if you have first edition. As already mentioned there's no patch to go from FE to SE but you can use an upgrade or update disk (2 different things) to do that.

For now, try to extract the missing files from the cd. Then check device manger (right click 'my computer' then 'properties' then 'device manager') and see what hardware isn't set up. Then go to the support page for your model. Start at www.compaq.com (it's the compaq, right?) and download what you need.

Edit When you use SFC it'll ask where to extract the files from. Browse to, or type in, D:\win98, where D: is your cdrom drive.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#204
January 11, 2010 at 14:35:58
it shows windows 98 se. When i do the SFC thing, do i put the name of the file i want to extract, or do i let it search for a file? I have also found an update for windows 98 se from softpedia. can you look and tell me if it do me any good, or not to do?
Unofficial Windows 98 SE Service Pack Publisher's Description

It contains all Windows98 SE updates from Windows Update site and more.

What's new in Unofficial Windows 98 SE Service Pack 2.1 Final:

-Added COMCAT.DLL from DCOM98.
-Added Q212265 (JPEGIM32.FLT).
-Added Q240896 (OPENGL32.DLL).
-Added Q258795 (REG).
-Added Q269604 (DSOUND.DLL).
-Added Q285895 (CIMWIN32.DLL) and Q282949 (WBEMPROX.DLL).
-Added Q314941 (SSDPAPI.DLL, SSDPSVR.EXE, UPNP.DLL).
-Added Q323708 (NSCIRDA.SYS).
-Added Q327517 (REG).
-Added Q885836 (MSWRD632.WPC).
-Added Q887617 (HTML32.CNV, MSCONV97.DLL, MSWRD832.CNV).
Added Q903235 (REG).
-Added a fix for VS2005 issue (REG).
-Added "No Channel Logging" registry tweak.
-Updated Q891711 (to U891711).
-Updated NWPP32.DLL (to Q250876-v2).
-Updated HTML Help (to Q896358).
-Removed DELINFS.INF.
-Corrected MOUHID.VXD and DISPEX.DLL files.
-Cleaned up some code.


Report •

#205
January 11, 2010 at 14:48:08
See what the others think but I generally steer clear of unofficial updates because they often contain all sorts of clever fixes and so forth which might cause more trouble than they are worth.

Having said that your security is now as it was on 21st April 1999 which is not good. I keep an old W98SE but have only collected those taking it up to when they stopped in mid 2006. I use Opera browser because I can at least keep that aspect current (while they still support W98SE). Nobody is likely to write viruses for W98 any more, although some might still happen to work. Avast Free Anti-Virus still supports W98.

To a large extent it is up to you but in any event you ought to get sfc to restore those missing files first.

some other bloke...


Report •

#206
January 11, 2010 at 14:55:35
ok.....i will start doing that. thanks.

Report •

#207
January 11, 2010 at 15:01:48
I would avoid using that CD again unless essential because it is obviously dodgy if your burner is rejecting it. Maybe it will clean-up tho.

I just did a quick Google and found a 3.5 floppy drive for $10. If you have a local computer repair shop and you try to look as old and pitiful as you can they might find one in their junk box LOL.

some other bloke...


Report •

#208
January 11, 2010 at 15:05:46
With SFC you type in the name of the file. I think when you run SFC it'll be clear.

I haven't used any of the unofficial updates either. The list you show under the 'Service Pack 2.1 Final' look to be various updates originally from microsoft, most of which aren't really needed.

Try going to 'Windows Update' when you get it online and let MS see what it thinks you need. Even though it doesn't support 98 that just means it hasn't added any new support. So it should still show some available downloads, mostly about PC and internet security.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#209
January 11, 2010 at 15:07:27
When in sfc look for the "extract one file" feature (can't remember exact wording but can find out if need be). It will ask you to insert the CD so it still might not read them.

By the way, best clean CD's by working between center and outside, rather than in a circular motion.

some other bloke...


Report •

#210
January 11, 2010 at 16:12:22
I have now, thru the SFC, that Dave was talking about, have eleminated a couple of missing files, and adjustments. The vnetbios.vxd, error that i would get on startup, is gone. I did not have any graphic adjustment, only 1, and it was low. I now have more adjustments on my graphics. I am only working with the error messages about PC1, orPCi, cannot tell, and the message, PC1 multimedia audio device. Both of these would come up wanting me to do a search for best drivers, but search could not find anything. I would like to get these under control, and leave a lot of those files not loaded alone, until i find a need for them. I have the free Netzero connection,, and Avast free anti virus. When i get the PC1 problems up, i will be ready, (i think), to put the Dora, and go Diago games for my babies back on.
I want to also, when i go online, i can do a little from the windows update. Lastly, i tried 3 times to copy the 98 se disk, and all times it would get to about 75%, and stop, for fingerprints, dirty, and dusty disk. Is there another way that i can back up the system, for reinstall another way?

Report •

#211
January 11, 2010 at 16:34:41
You can't backup the system itself from what is installed. A replacement Win98SE CD would be the best option if you can find one one eBay or somewhere.

There is a crude inbuilt backup, see these:

http://www.smartcomputing.com/edito...

http://free-backup.info/using-windo...

Ghosting the HD is probably the best way but I don't know of any "free" software to do this. Maybe someone else can help.

Just my opinion but I would get as many of those files across as possible because it can be difficult to decide whether they are necessary or not, or the exact function of each file. It's also possible that the CD will deteriorate further.

There is a program called ISOBuster which can often read a bad CD and allow you to burn a new one. I still have the old free version which I could send. It has to be installed and you might need some guidance on using it. It's slightly "crippled" but still capable of doing what you want.

I'm off now - will look back tomorrow.

some other bloke...


Report •

#212
January 11, 2010 at 18:12:39
The 'multimedia audio device' and the video problems will be solved with audio and video downloads from the compaq site. You'll download the necessary files, burn them to a cd on a working computer and then run them on the one we're fixing. They will be files starting with SP. You'll run them, they'll extract to a temporary folder and hopefully the installation will start on its own.

The option to 'search for a better driver' is usually worthless because there's no place to search, other than the hard drive, and there'll be no better drivers there unless you've installed them separately.

You might try Derek's Isobuster. Another thing would be to try to copy the win98 folder on the cd into a similarly named folder on the hard drive. That folder is all you need to do the reinstall. Then see if you can burn that folder to a cd.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#213
January 11, 2010 at 22:29:30
i am going to bed for tonight. almost all the missing files have been installed, they say, and i have gone to Hp web site for a couple of downloads. for the sound, the only i saw was, presario ess allegro wdm audio device drivers. i managed to get both floppys to working, and download that file, put it on my old computer, and downloaded. during the download, i got a lot of missed files, as when i did the restore, i went in to the SFC thing and got all of them installed, but i still have no sound. One time, when i was rebooting, there was sound comeing when the windows 98 disk started to load up. It was background music for the 98 menue, when i clicked off the disk loading up, it left, and i not seen it since. I am trying hard to get the sound, because, the twins are comeing for friaday, sat, and sunday, and they both like to hear Dora, and Diago talking. Maybe i will be luckey.
I haven't had a chance to do any inquiring about the Belkin adapter yet, for i mostly been trying to get the free Netzero to working. When i click the icon to open Netzero, it pops up for a second, then disappears. I been messing with that for the last 2 hours. I will start again tomorrow, to see what i can see.

Report •

#214
January 12, 2010 at 08:17:05
another day now, and the 2 problems that i have, i will work 1 at a time. no sound, and setting up a dialup with Netzero.
I would rather, at this time to have sound. I get no error messages about multimedia. In my devise manager, there is no yellow question marks any where. I do not know what to start changing, or doing for this. I do know that i do not see the little speaker icon in control panel.

Report •

#215
January 12, 2010 at 08:42:19
I find when i open multimedia in control, the panel heading is, "multimedia propertys". On that panel is a list containing, AUDIO,VIDEO,MIDI,CD MUSIC, and DEVICES. When i click AUDIO, nothing on the page is accesable. When i click DEVICES, i see some kind of little red mark out beside, audio compression codecs, and also, video compression codecs. Something about priorities withen each.i do not know what this is.

Report •

#216
January 12, 2010 at 09:05:38
I also find, on startup, i click f10, for, "Compaq computer corp. setup utility. I go to advanced, and it carries me to, PC1 DEVICES. this is what i see there.................
(onboard) VGA controls 1rq 3
(onboard) USB controls 1rq 11
(onboard) SMBus 1rq 5
(onboard) audio device 1rq 5
(slot 1) audio device 1rq 3
(slot 2) 16450 modem 1rq 5

f10 accept esc cancel


Report •

#217
January 12, 2010 at 09:54:57
Re - No Speaker Icon

Go to Control Panel > Multimedia

Ensure "Show volume control on the taskbar" is ticked.

There is also some useful information there about your sound system.

some other bloke...


Report •

#218
January 12, 2010 at 10:21:48
that is the page that where that is at, nothing is accesable. no information , or high lites at all. like it is dead.

Report •

#219
January 12, 2010 at 10:52:25
Do you mean that when you go to "Control Panel > Media" every accesible item is grayed out? Does it display any information about your sound system at all?

I'm trying to imagine exactly what you are seeing.

some other bloke...


Report •

#220
January 12, 2010 at 12:00:30
The 'red mark' in # 215 might mean that particular item is disabled.

How did you install the audio drivers? In # 213 it sounds like you used SFC. You need to do it as I mentioned in # 212.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#221
January 12, 2010 at 12:02:37
i will try.when i go to control panel, there is no "media", but a "multimedia". open that file gives me a page heading of, "custom configure multimedia drive". now on that page, there are 5 points of selection, being, AUDIO, VIDEO, MIDI, CD MUSIC, and DEVICES.
AUDIO....everything is grayed out. it gives me 2 choices for preferred defises. playback & recording. nothing in those choices. at the bottom, the 2 ckeck blocks for, use only preferred, and shovolume control on taskbar. this is grayed out also.
VIDEO....choice for windows, or fullscreen. windows is checked, and seems to be working.
MIDI....2 choices there, single instrument, and custom configeration. in the single instrument box, is Roland MPU-401. at the bottom, there is a box for, add new instruments.this page seems to be alive also.
CD MUSIC..these settings determine the way in which windows uses your CD ROM for playing cd music.....this is at the top. area for default cd rom drive for playing cd music. there is a slider for volume, and it moves. now, there is a grayed area below that, saying, you can have windows use digital instead of analog playback of cd audio. this feature may not work eith all cd-rom devices. disable if you are haveing problems with audio, choice below, enable digital cd audio for this cd rom.....now that is grayed out also. now that box has no check in it, so, i see that as frozen in disabled.huh?
DEVICES....
audio devices
midi devices
mixer devices
line input device
media control device
VIDEO COMPRESSION CODEC
AUDIO COMPRESSION CODEC
video caption device
joystick device
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
now the video, and audio das the little red marks beside them. when i click the + beside video, it is..............
cincpak(tm)
indeo (tm) R3.1
indeo (tm) R3.2
indeo video 5.04
msh 261 (m261)
msh 263 (m263)
RLE
VDOnet VDOWave Video codec
video 1
..............................................................
now when i click the+ in audio, i see........
microsoft 1ma-adpcm-codec
lernoot & hauspie codecs
microsoft ADPCM codecs
microsoft GSM 6.10 audio codecs
microsoft cc1tt g,711 A- law & u-law codecs
DSP group truspeech (tm) software codec
microsoft G.723.1 codec
\ndeo audio software
microsoft PCM converter
..........................................................
now, i hope you can understan this. I am so sorry to keep on with this headache, and i will shut it down soon, for it would be easier for me to do something else.

Report •

#222
January 12, 2010 at 12:05:04
Dave
presario ess allegro wdm audio device drivers...this was on the Compaq support and driver page. should i have used another?

Report •

#223
January 12, 2010 at 12:09:56
The drivers didn't get installed correctly or they're not the right ones.

What's the model number of your compaq? I'll take a look at the downloads.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#224
January 12, 2010 at 12:12:50
PRESARIO 5BW131
come back to edit this, i was wandering, if you remember the problems with the drives? the one that works, and that i am useing for all this is labeled on the front as (DVD-ROM). the cd that i put in for music are CD'S. can cd music play on DVD?

Report •

#225
January 12, 2010 at 12:42:22
Yeah, audio cd's should play in a DVD.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#226
January 12, 2010 at 12:59:03
So it'll fit on a floppy disk. But it doesn't matter what you put it on. You need to copy it to the hard drive on the compaq and then run it. The instructions say it'll extract and then you run the SETUP.EXE file in extracted download.

So is the floppy drive OK to where you can transfer the file that way or do you need to burn it to cd to transfer it to the compaq?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#227
January 12, 2010 at 13:05:11
are you talking about the allegro download? copy and paste to my c drive, anywhere withen the drive? where will i see that setup.exe?
yes the download is on a floppy
you say, run it, are you talking about to just open?

Report •

#228
January 12, 2010 at 13:15:31
I downloaded the file and ran it on my computer. It immediately came up with the box saying it was going to install the drivers so you don't need to run setup.

If it's showing missing files it's probably files that 98 should have originally installed and not files that should be with the download.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#229
January 12, 2010 at 13:18:15
Yeah, you can copy it anywhere to the drive. It just needs to be someplace where you can find it--maybe just the desktop. Then double click it and let it do its thing.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#230
January 12, 2010 at 13:26:57
I copied the program from my floppy, My computer, and opened "C", then pasted into that folder. Opened, and advanced with space key til it finished. It got to the end, i guess, and it went off. I rebooted, and found new hardware, installed. deskto come up, but same problems with multimedia in control panel with gray screen.

Report •

#231
January 12, 2010 at 13:44:05
Seems like it should have installed OK. Sometimes after an install like that it takes 30 seconds or so to notify you that it's done. Sometimes the 'found new hardware' will come up while it's installing.

In 'control panel'--'multimedia' under 'audio'--'preferred device' can you click open that box and see if it shows any devices or is it all inaccessable because it's all greyed out?

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#232
January 12, 2010 at 13:51:02
I am seeing something that i do not understand. It is to confuseing for me, and i will make it to confuseing for you. When ever i send you information abot something, i have to write that information down, then type all that information down to send.
When i put that program into my "C" drive, i noticed other things in there, that i had not noticed before. There were things in there that had the little windows flag, that when you clicked, it had open with, not open. there were text, and document items in there. there were those little icons that had the round gear pic on icon.
Don't pull your hair out, for i do enough of that myself. We are seeming to get so close, but maybe i am trying to make ckicken salad, out of c------ s---. I don't know. If this is not what you want to bother with, let me know. ok?

Report •

#233
January 12, 2010 at 13:53:51
Dave
I checked again, and nothing on that page is active. sorry :(

Report •

#234
January 12, 2010 at 14:32:18
When windows knows what a file extension is for, it'll use its own icon for that file. So depending on where you put the download, yeah, there could be a lot of those.

I've found sound is often the hardest thing to set up. I'm going to assume the problem is not with the drivers but rather the 98 installation. You can't necessarily expect windows to notify you of every file that's missing.

In the past whenever I'd get the 'missing file' during an install I'd stop, swap out the cdrom, maybe make a new 98 cd, reformat and start over. I know you don't have piles of computer junk (I mean quality computer hardware) lying around as I do but you may need to get another cdrom/DVD or a good copy of the installation cd and do a new error-free installation.

But look in 'add/remove programs' and see if you can uninstall the audio drivers and then try again. Sometimes that helps. And if you get more messages about missing files be sure to write them down and maybe we can find them.

You can probably also download the DISPLAY, MODEM (if yours has the original modem) and NETWORK, although I'm not sure which network drivers you may need.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#235
January 12, 2010 at 14:37:05
jimbo
Sorry about absence (I was hijacked by my wife to play a couple of games on our Wii machine).

Yep that early reference I made to "Media" should have been "Multimedia" - some sort of brain glich I reckon.

some other bloke...


Report •

#236
January 12, 2010 at 14:46:12
ok, i will try and work with some of these things, cd rom, another windows 98 se, etc. you are right, i don't have anything for doing anything, other than my computer. I do not poses a lot of skills with this stupid thing, and must have help when i have a problem. what are you talking about, download the DISPLAY, MODEM? I know i will not be able to remember all the things i have done to get where i am now, so, that is what mixes me up about starting all over. If there is further advice you can share with me, post, or email me, i would appreciate. I know Othehill, and Derek will see this, so they can do the same thing. OK? Jimmy


Report •

#237
January 12, 2010 at 15:01:41
Getting yoursefl into a position to be able to do a neater install than with a corrupted CD is a good idea long term but this is perhaps less urgent. Right now the thoughts are generally on trying to resolve the current issue which appears to be about drivers, particularly those for sound.
EDIT EDIT EDIT. Sorry - Just seen DAVE's post #234 where he is supsecting a bad install so so don't worry too much about the above.

Just the same, it wouldn't hurt to pop in that recovery CD just to peer inside it from WIndows (NOT to boot up with it again). You can ensure it doesn't load by holding the Shift key down from the time you insert the CD until it has fully loaded - probably about 20 seconds. If it should load, don't worry, just back out.

Look inside the Drivers folder and see what is there. There might be subfolders for sound and so on, also some files. I realise that if there is a lot it would be difficult to spell it all out on here but there might be something useful. Keep an eye out for .exe files.

In #234 (towards the end) DAVE was talking about drivers generally, eg

For the Display
For the Modem
For the Sound
etc

He didn't mean "Display Modem" as one phrase (there's no such thing).

Re #236
I think most folk on here prefer to stay very much on the forum, only using email when there is a file to send or something too large for PM's.

some other bloke...


Report •

#238
January 12, 2010 at 15:30:23
Note my edits in #237 - I hadn't properly absorbed post #234.

If you had a decent W98SE CD just loading it in again on top might resolve some issues, or you could go through the whole install again (which is cleaner). I think you either need to use that ISOBuster I mentioned, or better still, try to get hold of a good W98SE CD. Did you check out eBay (or anywhere else)?

some other bloke...


Report •

#239
January 12, 2010 at 16:00:12
well, i did try isobuster, 3 times. 2 times it got 45%, the last time it got to 97%. i was excited, til, all of a sudden it stopped.
Withen my control panel, there is an icon, ODBC Data Source Administration, that has an area about pooling. there are files in there that have (none) out beside it. I do not know what that is.

Report •

#240
January 12, 2010 at 16:14:38
ODBC Data Source Administration. Never used it. Its tied up with data base handling and nothing to do with any of the problems you are having.

some other bloke...


Report •

#241
January 12, 2010 at 16:23:03
ok. one more,,, when i go to copy a cd, like the windows 98 se, and it does not read and complete? Does the same reading stuff inside the cd rom read the windows 98 se disc when i am installing? does that make since to you? he he he
If it is the same reading, then it is fruitless to try and get a reading for installation from this old one i have. without going thru 240 post, can you guide me to some places you can trust, to get another 98 se disk? as long as i am lookinf for that, would it make any since to try and upgrade windows? maybe not so high, but better than 98 se. just looking for some options out there. thanks again :)

Report •

#242
January 12, 2010 at 16:44:34
Whether you are installing or copying, a bad CD can give trouble because both use the same CD source data. However, I have sometimes found that you can copy despite not being able to install properly (probably because there is no stop start activity when copying). Unfortunately it seems that your CD is too far gone for either. ISOBuster is very good indeed, so the fact that it can't complete is a very bad sign.

I assume you are in the USA so I can't help with finding a W98SE CD source (I'm in the UK). Maybe DAVEINCAPS or OtheHill can help because they are at least on the right side of the pond. I couldn't find one on eBay UK.

I'm not sure if your computer spec has been given somewhere in these posts but it may not even be suitable for the next OS, which is XP. In any event you will then have to obtain that CD somehow instead. You could buy one but I doubt that makes sense for an old machine - you'd be better off looking around for a second hand working XP machine (preferably with a Win XP CD). It's not difficult to get hold of a cheap one these days, as folk have moved to Vista and others are now moving to Win 7.

Although there is no harm looking into that drivers folder on your recovery CD (as I suggested earlier), on reflection I am none too hopeful. I have never seen a drivers issue that has made everything incaccessible from that Multimedia icon - much more likely that it is a corrupt install, as DAVE implied.

I'm off to bed now.....

some other bloke...


Report •

#243
January 12, 2010 at 19:28:06
The problem with the disk may be a combination of a less-than-perfect drive and a bad disk. I had that problem with a copy of nero. After many attempts with different cdroms, getting a little copied at a time, I finally got it all copied to the hard drive. Then from the hard drive files I made another disk. Maybe that would work with yours, I don't know.

But a 98 SE shouldn't be a big deal anyway. I thnk they're pretty cheap on ebay or maybe we could just send you a copy. OEM are easier to come by but the key you used wouldn't work but then, that wouldn't matter if you're doing a fresh install.

You could install XP but it'd need more than the 64 meg of ram it originally came with:

https://kahlon.com/rn14813_Compaq_Presario_5BW131.html

But go ahead and try installing the rest of the drivers and keep working with the cd.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#244
January 12, 2010 at 20:45:12
I will continue to work with it for a short spell, working with the missing files. the allegro system there, could that be uninstalled, and put a compatable program in? Could it be a sound card, for i think, i used to have one that came out. the tech that put the windows on, put a new sound card, and i got the old one, somewhere. What were you talking about, you could send? oh, by the way, i put some more memory in there about 6 months ago. i now have about 383 MB of ram, would that do better?

Report •

#245
January 12, 2010 at 21:40:10
You'd have to check in 'add remove programs' in control panel to see if there's an uninstall for the drivers.

Any drivers made for whatever audio chipset that compaq uses should work. But there's no reason to think others would work if the ones specifically designed for it by compaq don't work.

You should be able to install a sound card and use it instead of the on-board one. Just disable the on-board in cmos/bios setup and uninstall the old drivers, if possible.

I was just saying if you couldn't fix your 98 disk and couldn't find one locally or for a good price then I could just mail you a copy.

Oh, XP would run on that with 383 of ram--not really good but adequately.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#246
January 13, 2010 at 06:30:18
Didn't you get a software CD for either the original sound card or the one you have now? It seems as if you have also got the onboard option.

some other bloke...


Report •

#247
January 13, 2010 at 06:55:07
no software cd for sound card. Am looking for the little icon that will go to the taskbar for volume control. I cannot find it anywhere, like in control panel. That must be one of the things that installation missed. When i see anything about missing files, and to put installation disk in, i will put 98 disk in, do the sfc, put that file in, and for most all of them, it will say, "file installed".
Derek, what is onboard option?

Report •

#248
January 13, 2010 at 07:40:57
Well, when i maast post, i wanted to make another try to copy the 98 disk again. This time it completed. I opened the program, and all the files that you see when you explore disk, were on the new one also. It looked the same Is there any thing i could check to see if there are any missing files on there?
I am only guessing the thing to do now would be to start over again, huh? Is there anything i could do to the old computer, that would help insure a clean install? Would it do any better to use the windows 98 se "bootdisk" that i made, rather than the "recovery cd" that came with the computer, maybe not?
I will have to look back thru 247 post now to try and help me remember what i done. You know i said i am not very sharp in all this, so, would it be at all possible for you to type out a list, that is the procedures, and steps i used to get to the point of completed installation? For i could print out that procedure, and carry it with me as a guideline to follow, rather than back and forth, searching which post exactly i need to do. I will start looking back thru post to try and figure out what i done, so it should give you time to do this. I will wait for your comments, ok?

Report •

#249
January 13, 2010 at 09:08:35
As previously given, to get the speaker tray icon you go to Multimedia and it is a tick option right near the bottom of the screen. Because of your problems it might not be possible to actually tick it - but it should "show".

It really shouldn't matter much which bootdisk you use now that the W98SE CD is (hopefully) repaired. You can make a floppy from Windows, unless the install has messed it up, but unless something has changed you haven't got a working floppy drive. Bootdisks are also downloadable (floppy and CD versions).

On balance I would probably repeat the procedure given in #165 because that worked for you and requires no change in procedure. Your problems have always been with the W98SE CD, not the recorey CD which is your bootdisk. For convenience I'll repeat it here:

Boot up with your recovery CD and wait for it to finish.

Without rebooting, remove the recovery CD and insert the CD you referred to in #128 (new copy) - wait for it to finish.

Type each of the following three commands (hit Enter after each one):

n:

cd Win98

setup

some other bloke...


Report •

#250
January 13, 2010 at 09:47:32
in one of your post, you took the cd Win98 out, i thought somewhere.

Report •

#251
January 13, 2010 at 10:22:01
I don't think so. Just took out recovery CD then left W98 CD in until finished. Post #140 refers, but this didn't work until we switched to the Win98 folder using "cd Win98" (as per #165 and now all brought together in #249). It would seem odd to remove the W98 CD until it had finished installing.

The recovery CD is effectively your bootdisk, which is used to set you up to use the Win98 CD.

some other bloke...


Report •

#252
January 13, 2010 at 10:26:16
ok......
thanks

Report •

#253
January 13, 2010 at 11:41:15
well to tell you whereat now. the disk only 1 time at the beginning, near 7%, i got an error.
.............................................................................
setup cannot copy your windows 98cd files. clean the cd with a soft cloth, reinstall it, and click ok. if you receive this message again, read the cab errors section of the setup.txt files. this file is in the win98 directory of your cd.
................................................................................
it never came up agan. at one point it ask me to remove disk for a reboot. when it loaded up agan, it said it was uploading to system. it run awhile, then rebooted again. that time it was loading to system. a moment, it ask me to reput disk in for another reboot. when that rebooted, it started loading files again, and shortly i got a missed file like before. i thought 1 was not so bad. then i got up to, 14. most all of the files it was not getting, were not files from other install. at a point in this i was looking for another file missing, but the screen was a light green, and no activity was going on. no light on computer, other than power light. i let it set like that for about 20 minutes with no change. cd would not eject, so after waiting, i powered off to start again. now when i got to the n: and then put cd Win98, i got "invalid directory". that is where i am now. i have turned everything off, looking for a point i can try again. if you have a suggestion, please let me know. i will check back later.
edit edit...i see what i did. i try again. my mind is not so good, sorry.

Report •

#254
January 13, 2010 at 11:57:03
Can I first check that I understand correctly.

I'm assuming that the recovery disk went in OK and you got the screen as per #100. You then swapped the disks and put your copied W98 disk in and it was at that point (and after) that you got the errors.

If the above is correct then your W98 disk didn't copy well enough. Bear in mind that Windows just sends out standard error messages when things go wrong. It doesn't know that you have copied W98 from a corrupted CD, so it suggests things like cleaning it (which clearly would do no good in this instance).

We are back at the stage where you haven't got a decent enough W98 CD, so I think we are about stumped until you you get one. DAVEINCAPS offered to send you one, so if that still stands it would be a good option. Otherwise you need to search the net and/or local repair shops for one.

EDIT:
Sometimes the depth of burn is inadequate on copied CD's. Often you do best by burning at the "lowest possible speed". That is an option but only if you have kept a copy of the data that you believed to be OK. Otherwise it might take ages to get to that stage again. Even a different brand of blank CD might help or using a lens cleaner on the CD drive in the faulty machine.

Looking at copied files does not mean they are correct. Without a file count it is not easy to know what files might be missing and cab files contain many files (comrpressed).

some other bloke...


Report •

#255
January 13, 2010 at 12:14:37
See my EDIT at the end of #254 above.

some other bloke...


Report •

#256
January 13, 2010 at 12:27:53
I went back and tried the install again, and everything went thru, without any errors at all, none. the new installation still has the gray in the multimedia, as before. the little red marks that were on audio, and video, on device are still there. they are files involving codecs. i will leave windows as is, and will work with things from there, i want to look for any 98 updates,and allegro updtes. i had some problems the other night with trying to get the computer set up with netzero dial up, but had problems relating to modem with that. If you find, or know of any links or programs that will help me on any of this, please let me know. if you preferr not to email, just post, and i will get it. i don't know anything else to ask you, Derek, OtheHill, or Dave, but, this ole man from Louisiana says, I appreciate you. check back later, for i am going to start with this.
Jimmy

Report •

#257
January 13, 2010 at 13:12:21
A couple of things I don't think you answered regarding sound:-

1. Can you see the volume control option in Multimedia (even if you can't alter it)?

2. Did you find any driver CD's for either of the two sound cards you have to hand? Usually software comes with the sound cards.

Temporarily reverting back to onboard sound might help to prove something.

some other bloke...


Report •

#258
January 13, 2010 at 13:43:28
I'm not sure where you're at with the sound. But the speaker icon won't show in the taskbar unless the drivers are installed. Since you've done a 98 reinstall you should probably try installing the drivers again.

I'm a little under the weather today but will check back occasionally.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#259
January 13, 2010 at 14:04:26
Derek,

i will try and tell you what i see. there is no icon on the taskbar at all. control panel, multimedia, where the gray panel is, there is a panel for cd music, there is the only volume control, and it is not a box of what i am use to seeing, but a slideing control, left to right, like when windows media is playing. the selection is all the way to the right.

the only thing else i see, is in WINDOWS, there is an icon called, SNDVOL32.exe. this icon has the looks of the volume control that maybe should be somewhere else. when i right click i have an option to open, but it doesn"t open. i look at properties, and this is version 4.10.1998.

also i do looking around and see if things work with volume. i see where there is settings in modem related to volume settings, but when i click more information, it trys to connect, and i get a message, can't. "varify interrupt for port is properly set". all of this is greek to me. hope that tells you something.


edit::
i see the #254. option is to TRY recopy disc, at slower speed, after cleaning recording device?


edit:
if i try renstal that driver. sndvol32.exe, would i put it back in same place, WINDOWS? do i need to uninstal that one in there before?


Report •

#260
January 13, 2010 at 14:41:57
As Dave said, the taskbar speaker icon will not show unless the drivers are installed. However, I think the option "Show volume control on the taskbar" should appear in Control Panel > Multimedia (near the bottom) even if it won't actally let you tick the little box. Is that right DAVE?

I don't think there is anything wrong with the date 4.10.1998 for SNDVOL32.exe because it was probably unchanged from W98 first edition. I don't think you should worry about whether it opens (not everything does).

As the installation went well this time (with no errors) I think I would assume your CD is OK, or at least it went in right. Maybe the CD drive could do with its lens cleaning but that can be looked at later. Similarly burning another W98 CD at lower speed sometime might be sensible but it seems OK right now.

I would go along with the idea that this is now a driver issue, which is why I've asked several times if you had any driver CD's for either of the sound cards you mentioned. Is it a secret LOL?

Sound can sometimes be tricky to fix but it is probably best to concentrate on this before moving off onto other issues. You need to somehow get drivers for whatever sound card you are currently using. If you haven't got CD's then appropriate drivers need to be downloaded (suitable for W98SE). It is not unusual to have driver issues when you format and re-install Windows, particularly W98 which includes relatively few drivers.

some other bloke...


Report •

#261
January 13, 2010 at 15:03:29
I will take care of cleaning my cd unit at another date. I will just leave the icon alone in WINDOWS. I do not have any software at all for the sound cards. The one that is in there now, i have nothing. I found what i was thinking was a sound card, but it is hard to remember back for 6 or 7 years about this, The thing i found it, but i don't know exactly what it is, for, i was thinking it was sound. it is one of those things that fit on the back of the inside, with the long flat thing that exposes to the back that has what looks like a phone plug, but it is to big for a phone. looks like maybe an ethernet plug, and that is all thats on it. the plug on the computer, that i was thinking may be a sound card has all the plug ins for telephone, and has a wire comeing out the top, that goes and plugs into my cd drive. this one i found, did not have a place for a wire to plug, so, i dunno. i am not going to work with that, unless you reading this, and tell me, Yes, thats what you need. Otherwise, i forget it. the numbers on it are, Compaq, 10/100 tx, pc1 accton utp controler.

Report •

#262
January 13, 2010 at 15:21:20
Dereh

the that i see, ess Allegro pc1 audio, comes from, ESS Technolog inc. does this mean anything to you............

Please Note
ESS Technology manufactures only the audio or modem chip(s) used by the manufacturer of your sound or modem card. You should always use the latest driver from that manufacturer. ESS Technology provides the generic drivers at this site just in case you are unable to contact the manufacturer of your specific board. Although these drivers should work in all implementations, ESS Technology cannot guarantee their operability with any specific card.

Sabre Downloads
Sabre32 Reference Sabre Reference Sabre Premier
ES9018 ES9012 ES9008 ES9006
Sabre8 GUI v2.0.2.1
Sabre White Paper (featuring ES9008) Sabre White Paper
Sabre Application Note Maximizing DAC Performance for Every Budget
2 Channel Eval Board Schematic Download
2 Channel Eval Board PCB Layout Top Download
2 Channel Eval Board PCB Layout Bottom Download
Third Party Comparison Data Download
In House Comparison Data Download (.xls)
Analog Power Supply Consumption Download (.xls)

Note: Since NT4.0 is not Plug and Play operation system, our generic driver may not work on custom hardware. Please contact your board manufacturer for the correct driver.

Note: 64-bit drivers are currently being developed.

.NET Framework is provided by Microsoft as a free download.


.......................................................
there seems to be downloads there.


Report •

#263
January 13, 2010 at 16:35:06
jimbo
Sorry, got called away. What you describe in #262 is almost certainly a network card.

I assume you've been Googling for audio drivers. Firstly you have to identify your sound card. There are a number of ways:

1. Look for any identification numbers on the card itself.
2. Look in Control Panel > System > Sound, video and game controllers
(expand sub-section).
3. Control Panel > Multimedia.

Take care because installing the wrong drivers could make things very difficult.

Gotta go now, past bedtime in UK - Nite

DAVEINCAPS
Hope you are feeling better and that it's nothing serious.

some other bloke...


Report •

#264
January 13, 2010 at 18:29:19
Thanks Derek, I've just been feeling really tired and achy lately. Going to start taking some antibiotics today and see if that helps.

Yeah, the greyed out 'show volume control on the taskbar' in multimedia should show regardles off the driver situation.

Jimbo, if you have a good cd now you might consider a fresh installion. I think in # 253 and # 256 you did what amounted to an over-the top reinstall. You'd need to format the drive (as you did in # 97) again and then do the install.

In # 259 yoiu mentioned a file version of 4.10.1998 for SNDVOL32. That's not bad in itself but's that's a 98 first edition version and you should have installed second edition.

Check again the 98 version you have installed. Right click 'my computer' then 'properties'. It should tell you under 'system'.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#265
January 13, 2010 at 19:50:45
This is why i ask for a complete list of the procedure to do this. i get more confused each day with this, but i still try.
if you look at #249, i thought i was doing good. this computer i am on is a very sensetive mouse, and trying to go back thru over 250 post, it is hard. i am sorry, but i have forgotten the sequence for all the put ins add ons, etc. i look at my post #97. i remember that, but i do not remember what i done to do it. is it possible for someone to to put do this, do that, mark this, add this, and just make a line to follow? As if we are just starting? I want to try again to make it right, but i am like a bull in a china shop, some times. thanks for the advice.

Report •

#266
January 13, 2010 at 20:49:44
change to boot to cd
with bootdisk for 98 se in drive, then boot
at A;....type dir/p....enter
at A:....type fdisk....enter
large disk....yes
select #4.........
..................


....................
boot with recovery cd...
remove cd when thru...
incert windows 98 se disk...
type...n:..........enter
type...cd win98...enter
type.....setup...enter.....
.................................
THE GAP IN THE MIDDLE IS WHERE I AM LOST. DOES THAT GUIDE LOOK OK?


Report •

#267
January 13, 2010 at 20:54:45
Yeah, these long threads can get to be cumbersome.

At first we couldn't get some the commands to run and then in that # 97 you managed to do it. So I'm not sure which disk you booted up with. But after successfully booting, to format you'd just type format c: and enter.

I got your address from your PM and will send a disk in a couple days, soon as I get up and around again. But in the meantime, if you want, you can experiment and see if you can format and reinstall with the disk you made.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#268
January 13, 2010 at 20:58:21
The first part is running fdisk. We probably don't need to do that.

The middle part would probably be fomatting--the format c: and enter.

Then the last part is starting the 98 installation.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#269
January 13, 2010 at 21:11:22
ok....do i put that at the end of the dootdisk, rather than the othe inputs?

edit edit..I did the dir/p, and when it did that, i put the format c:. it is doing that now. thanks for the disk. :)


Report •

#270
January 13, 2010 at 21:17:53
I'm not sure what you mean, are you adding files to a bootdisk? If so, it doesn't matter where you put them.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#271
January 13, 2010 at 23:02:37
no, i did not know where to put the format c:. you said i did not need to do the fdisk, so, i did not know exactly when i was suposed to use the format c:.i assumed then that i should put that at the end of the running of dir/p, for when the dir/p finished, i entered the format c:, and it run thru that. when it finished that, there was a prompt, and i did not know what to do, so i pulled the windows 98 se bootdisk out, put the recovery disk in, and just turned my power off. was not sure, so i was just playing. the recovery disk ran, then i went to pulling that disk out, to put my windows 98 se disk in, and putting the n:, etc. it began to load, and went thru without any errors. I had before put a Dora, and Diago game for the babies on there, and they were gone, so i guess it was ok, but i still have no sound, nor pc1 card. i dunno. it is 1:00 A.M., and been at this since 8:00 A.M. yesterday. getting sleepy, so i will work with it again tomorrow. cannot do it all day, for we must go get the babies for a few days. i just want have any sound for them, but, i tried. I would like for you fellas to be here to drink coffee with me, for it would be a lot better, but, oh well. Anyway, i am going to bed. By the way, Dave, i hope the meds you take will make you feel better. things just aren't the same when you feel bad. take care.

Report •

#272
January 13, 2010 at 23:42:39
Thanks. I should be OK in a day or two. The dir/p isn't necessary for the 98 installation. It's just a command to look at the files and directories on the disk. It was probably included to see if fdisk and format were there.. But if they run then they're there.

The format would have wiped everything so you need to install the drivers again. Copy the SP15773.EXE file to the hard drive and run it again and maybe the drivers will install correctly this time.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#273
January 14, 2010 at 00:12:25
I think when you installed the drivers the first time you ran the file and it did its thing and you rebooted. That may have been OK. But sometimes after drivers install, the computer will act like it's not doing anything and then after 30 seconds or so will say the installation was complete.

So this installation give it some extra time and see if it notifies you of a complete installation. If you see nothing after a minute or so I guess go ahead and reboot.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#274
January 14, 2010 at 05:50:41
first thing this morning, after i completed reinstall last nite, i put sp15773.exe on a floppy, but when i try to copy, or open in other puter, error....cannot open from devise.

edit:
Dave
i removed the floppy from my devise manager, rebooted to let it restore itself. i erased, and installed another sp15773 on the floppy, installed, and now it works ok. all the pages in multimedia are active, and the sound for the games are there. i did put a cd in, and did not play, but i am not worried about that.

the next thing i will work with is trying to get my modem recognised. i see modem in my devise manager, and all looks good, til i click information on that devise, and it cannot see. before when i tried to get the dial up, it could not find. i am going to try to find out how to see that, so i can try and set up some kind of connection. i intend to call Belkin to see about the adapter for my satelite internet, but want to get my modem to recognise first. put your thoughts on suggestions with that now. i appreciate you.
Jimmy


Report •

#275
January 14, 2010 at 11:08:22
Well, that's good news and it looks like your copied CD is a good one.

The general procedure for modem drivers is the same as sound drivers. Unless you have a driver CD for the modem then:-

1. Identify your modem (it might be onboard, in which case identify your machine too).

2. Look for any identification numbers on the card itself if its an add-on card. Also look in:

2a. Control Panel > System > Modems (expand sub-section).

2c. Control Panel > Modems.

3. Armed with the appropriate information search for W98 drivers on the internet.

I don't know whether that drivers folder on your recovery disk has anything useful - would be worth a peek.

Could you verify your Windows version again (as requested in the last line of #264)? We really ought to be quite certain what we are dealing with. If it's second edition it will say so, otherwise it is first edition. [DAVE is quite right, although sndvol32.exe might be an old file it should be dated 23.4.1999 if it came from a W98SE install].

some other bloke...


Report •

#276
January 14, 2010 at 12:28:29
yes, i thought i had said, but, guess i didn't. I went to doublecheck when i saw your post. it is windows 98 se. the sound is good, so far. the twins will be able to hear there Dora, and Diago games, if it will stay. the download that Dave was talking about was the key to getting it to work.

I am wanting to work with ISP, now, and all the lines are ok, but i cannot get anything to recognise my modem. that is what i am working on now, to try and make that work.


Report •

#277
January 14, 2010 at 12:46:01
where do the different type files go exactly? i forgot, and i cannot find pot that told me about d.ll, and vxd files. what about ones like, cnt, exe, pif,msg,hlp,etc?

Report •

#278
January 14, 2010 at 13:27:57
Are you trying to use SFC again to restore files? It shouldn't be necessary if the install was good. And a driver install will put its files in the right place too.

But you're probably talking about # 203. Hlp files probably go in windows\help. Exe and pif probably in windows. You can go to START--FIND--FILES OR FOLDERS and search where other files of a particular extension are stored.

For example, to find msg files enter *.msg in the 'named' line. That says 'find all files with the msg extension'. For most files it'll be the windows folder or one of its subfolders.

Oh, and if the computer has the original modem then the modem driver download from the compaq driver page should work.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#279
January 14, 2010 at 13:30:28
That's fine about your Windows version - just asked again because of the date of that sndvol32 file, which looked more like first edition. Don't know why its date was wrong but it's not important...

You asked where file types go, which is a strange question. Dave gave you some generalised information but you don't just put files in different places to make a modem work (if that's what you mean). The driver has to be "installed".

The driver download can be in several forms. It might be an exe file which you just double click, or it might several files compressed into a zip file. In the latter case you usually extract all the files into a spare folder then click on the setup or install file.

If you are not sure about this, point us to any specific modem driver you are about to download from a website and we can probably help.

some other bloke...


Report •

#280
January 14, 2010 at 16:03:19
sorry not posting soon, but went and got the twins, and as i write, they eat there supper, and guess where they are. they are at there computer playing Dora, i know, because i can hear. getting the sound was great. thanks.
the computer is doeing good at the moment. i want be able to do anything with it, unless it is after they are in bed. there has been some things pop up, that i feel i have caused, but do not know which. something i have done has made the same thing pop up, that was back when i first started with all this. when i turn puter on, i get 2 missing files. vredir.vxd, and dfs.vxd said about missin, and when the desktop begans to start, i get a box on the front about missing dll file, msnp.dll. i click enter and it goes on. not a real problem, but that is why i ask about where to put files in case i try to do something.

I talked with Belkin today, and they wound up telling me that the adapter was not compatable to windows 98 se, and that i needed to upgrade to xp. oh well, win a few, loose a few. i guess i want get any net service, if i canot get the modem under control. ok, i will be busy somewhat this week end, but i will check. take care.


Report •

#281
January 14, 2010 at 17:06:51
Go ahead and try SFC and using the 98 cd for the missing files. As I mentioned above, VXD and DLL normally go in windows\system.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#282
January 14, 2010 at 17:07:59
I can't stop because its 1 am here right now.

Try SFC first, otherwise we can probably send the files and tell you where they go. That also ensures they are proper W98SE files (ones you get on the net are often quite unsuitable). Its a bit odd that they are missing though.

I am running W98SE on a Belkin USB Wireless Adapter which is still available. This works to a Wireless Router (also Belkin) which serves a Vista laptop, my XP and a Wii. I'm just saying that "It CAN be done".

I'll pick you up tomorrow so long as nothing else gets in the way.

some other bloke...


Report •

#283
January 14, 2010 at 17:44:41

i would appreciat your guidance to help me do that, if at all possible. all i know, is the man on the phone told me i could not. i do know, on this windows 98 se, and i had puppy, i could get on line with the adapter, so, what was happening to allow that? i had nothing over 98 se. confuseing, huh?

i tell you what i have done since i last post. i went to find. put each of the vxd files, and i found 2, of each file. both go to win/system, so i go and look. none there, so i copy file, and paste it alphabetacly in win/sys. i do not understand it. now, i do not get the error. the dll file i did like that, but i still get error. maybe i should delete the ones that are in the other 2 files.

the modem thing, i found 1 folder on the windows 98 se disk, and not knowing what, there was a tie in with COMPAQ, LUCENT, and TOSHIBA modems. i play around, like deleting modem from devise manager, rebooting, but no luck. i add modems, i think looks good from groups in select from a list. i do not know how to pull that modem off of the disk. I search for one, and look at a standard 56000 bps v90 modem, but every download i find of that, comes from microsoft update, but it only updates the system you are on. if you can think of something, let me know.


Report •

#284
January 14, 2010 at 18:18:56
It's best to use SFC if possible to add a file and not just copy it from somewhere. Sometimes windows needs to know the file has been added and what version it is. That's done in the registry. I think SFC updates the registry when you add a file that way.

As I mentioned above, as long as your modem is the original you should use the driver download from the compaq support page. Anything else and you're just guessing.

DON'T add a modem manually or configure ports for one or anything else. You'll only screw things up. If you've done that, delete whatever you've added from device manager.

It's possible your belkin adapter is different than what Derek has used but he may advice for that. I'm not going to be of any help there.

Ubuntu Cheeta, Ubuntu !


Report •

#285
January 14, 2010 at 19:31:13
help me with something about the modem, Presario PC-Tel Connect HSP56 MicroModem Drivers, that is on the compaq support. what does it mean, drivers. I do not see anything on my set that says micromodem. at a point after installing windows 98 se, i first spent a while trying to find out why i could never get the dial up to working, because it could not find the modem. was there a bad connection in the telephone connection, was an easy thing to check, so i hooked all telephone lies up to find out if connection was good. go into control panel , modem, and there search for my modem, and could not find it. i go to devise manager. & i do not recall a modem being listed, so i search and look to find out what to do. again, is the download only a driver? where is the modem that the driver is for?

Report •

#286
January 14, 2010 at 20:16:57
'Drivers' are files that tell windows how to use and communicate with hardware. This is not to be confused with 'drives' which of course are your cdroms, hard drives, floppy drives, etc.

When you install windows and it goes through the hardware identification phase it tries set up everything it finds. It has some built-in modem drivers but for most of the 56 K's it doesn't.

Most modems don't have anything windows can 'read'--no ROM or firmware--so they're usually described as a 'PCI communication device' or 'serial device' in device manager. Then when the correct drivers are installed it knows exactly what's there and how to use it.

So just because there's no 'PC-Tel Connect HSP56 MicroModem' showing in device manager doesn't mean that's not what you have.

So just download the modem file--SP15744.EXE--transfer it to the compaq, run it (double click it) and see if it sets up the modem.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#287
January 14, 2010 at 21:51:07
Dave,
when the twins went to bed, i worked with the Compaq some more, and it is doing good(knocking on wood), for i did like you ask, and wha la, it was fixed. I even downloaded the netzero, and in a matter of minutes, i was on line. That ole dude is kinda slow, but it is all i need to try and keep it going to intertain those kids. You, Derek, and OtheHill have been a great help to me, for i know i have been a pain, but like i try and get over, i don't know a lot about these things, and talking with my kids,(4) and grandkids(15) and greats(8) no one would dare to take this on, but, i don't mind. it has been time consuming, frustrating, and agrivating, but you all have been a help. I really wish you 3 would keep my address, and sometime let me know how you are. I don't even know where you are from, but that might be to personal. If i have a question, i want mind at all, posting back here to try and find an answer. By the way how far did i get to getting close to the most post? I will check back tomorrow, and often to see what is added, far i know the communication will ease off like an evening sunset, and soon be gone, so it has been a pleasure with all 3 of you, and God bless all of you. :) :) :)

Report •

#288
January 14, 2010 at 22:38:56
We're glad you seem to have it all set up. You may still want to install the video drivers, if you haven't done so. You can check 'display adapter' in device manager. If it say something like 'Standard PCI graphics adapter (VGA)' then the correct drivers aren't installed and you may benefit by installing the ones from compaq.

And Derek may be able to help with the Belkin although it'll probably be a bit tedious with 98 so it may be best to leave things as they are.

There was a thread exactly 300 posts a few years ago I helped with and one recently with 339. There's one in the lounge forum that's longer than that. So you're close.

I'm in New Mexico, I think OtheHill is up north somewhere and Derek is across the pond in the UK.

Oh, I'll still send the 98 disk although I don't think you're in urgent need of it. It may be a few days till I get to the post office.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#289
January 15, 2010 at 08:13:19
thanks Dave, i appreciate it. keep in touch, for i will need you at other times.

is this the download you were talking about.... Presario Whitney 810/810e Video Driver for Windows 98/ME


Report •

#290
January 15, 2010 at 09:34:23
DAVEINCAPS
Just for my own education, where did sp15773.EXE and SP15744.EXE come from? I obviously got totally lost about those - they seemed to arrive out of the blue in the postings. Glad they did the trick obviously....

Jimbo
Ignore the above - just chatting.

As regards the Belkin stuff, I would need to know more about what exactly you are trying to do and which Belkin item you were selecting. Is this a new Router, Wireless adapter, something inbuilt, or what? Have you already got a wireless network? What hardware did Puppy use to comminicate with the internet? Sorry but I'm a bit lost about your set up, what hardware you have and exactly what you are trying to do. If feel sure it can be done but need to properly understand your situation.

Belkin UK stuff (which I obviously use) is a bit different to that of the USA. However I don't think there is any difference in principle - only what items to select.

Spell it out in nice easy steps for me (my turn LOL).

As regards missing files I agree fully with DAVE about using SFC if at all possible. It might be best to put this issue on the back burner for now, as the machine seems to be working. At some later time we can look at each file in turn and try to find out what is going on. In general it is not a good idea to move system files around - only when needs must and there is no better alternative. It's very easy to mess things up.

some other bloke...


Report •

#291
January 15, 2010 at 10:26:59
I do not remember spacificaly where the downloads come from, for i had downloaded these some time ago, and they have just been setting on my other computer since, thinking i may be able to use them at some time, back when i first started trying to get 98 se, reinstalled. if you really want, i can research to try and find out?


i will try and explain about the Belkins. on my main computer, running windows xp, media edition/linuxmint, as a dual boot. i am useing a Belkin (G), #F5D7234-4, version 4000. i have another computer, running windows xp/ubuntu, as a dual boot. i use a Belkin adapter (G), #F5D7050, version-3125. now on the one that we just set up with windows 98 se, i am wanting to use the Belkin adapter on that one. AL of these will be going thru a satellite connection with WILD BLUE.

now.....the computer we worked on, before had windows 98 se/puppy linux. the puppy connected, and i do not know how. there was alink that clicked, and searched for wireless connection, and it just found it, and started to connecting. i did nothing, or added anything for this. it just worked.

now....my windows 98 se had the yellow question mark on the adapter in my devise manager. i never found out anything other than, Belkin could not instal on windows 98 se. now my question, is if 98 se could not work, how was puppy working?

now....you know what i know. i went to the puppy forum, and posted that question, and have not checked replies. hopefully you can understand this better than myself, so give me your thoughts, ok?


Report •

#292
January 15, 2010 at 11:32:19
Lets double check I've got it right:

Wireless Router is F5D7234-4, version 4000.
[I don't see any reason why W98SE wouldn't work to that}

Wireless Adapter you want to use on W98SE is F5D7050, version 3125.
[The product manual says its OK for W98SE].

Is the above correct (ignoring the bracketted bits)? I will assume so for now.

I wouldn't concern yourself as to why it was OK on Puppy, or what Belkin told you. More important to get it to work on W98SE. My Wireless adapter is F5D7050B, Version-3003uk, so its pretty similar.

Have you the CD that came with the F5D7050, version 3125?
If so "don't put it in just yet".

As the wireless adapter is showing in Device Manager then presumably you have either tried plugging it in already or have used a CD. Which of these have you done (or both)?

some other bloke...


Report •

#293
January 15, 2010 at 11:51:50
i will have to start from scratch, for i have deleded all the stuff with Belkin, for i was going to try and gather information, then do a complete install from the beginning. yes, the info is correct on Belkin products. I do have a disk that came with each, the router, and the adapter. when i first had the problems on 98 se, i called, and they said that disk would not allow me to install on 98 se, and they directed me to Belkin site for downloads that would provide me with that. i went then to web site, downloaded xxxx1, which said was to include 98 se. put that on cd, and that is what i use for the software. when i start the download, it does it's thing, and comes to end for a reboot, asking me to plug my adapter in then. when puter starts, it see's adapter, and starts loading drivers. afterthat i have a belkin adapter, but it does not connect. i do not remember the wording of the error. when i would go to devise manager, belkin would be there, under other devices, but would have the large question mark at the beginning. Belkin told me that 98 se was not reconiseing the drivers, and that they could not, and that i needed to upgrade to windows xp.

Report •

#294
January 15, 2010 at 11:56:00
Derek, we can get lost in these long threads. He posted the model number up in # 224. I had to do a page search just now in order to find it again. I wasn't aware you had missed it or I would have brought you up to date. So that's what I've been going by as far as the downloads. This is the support page:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...

Yeah, Jimbo, that's the correct video download. It's 15 meg so you'll need to burn it to a cd after you download it as it won't fit on a floppy.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#295
January 15, 2010 at 12:19:51
Thanks DAVE - I'd been searching the page for the exe's not the machine number.

jimbo
To keep things simple make an empty folder for the Belikin driver download
(in some easy place to find it later).

Its a "USB" Wireless Adapter stick, right?

If so leave the Adapter unplugged and go here:
http://en-us-support.belkin.com/app...

Put G in Column 1 (IF the name of the adapter is Wireles G (see Help button).
Put F5D7050 in Column 2 (when it shows).
Put v3000 in Column 3 (when it shows).

Click the F5D7050 driver link towards the bottom of the page. On the next page "exactly match" the FCC ID number. You then select the version from the left hand side. Ensure it shows W98SE.

Download the file into the empty folder you. It should be an exe file. I would be interested to know the name of the download file.

We'll take it from there.....

some other bloke...


Report •

#296
January 15, 2010 at 13:01:50
Let me know the FCC ID number..

Also, is there a letter after F5D7050. If not it does look as if 1xxx is what they claim to be the correct version for W98SE.

Purely for info, my driver is no longer listed and if I were going to that website now I would be hard pressed to find a W98SE driver for mine.

some other bloke...


Report •

#297
January 15, 2010 at 13:59:57
Derek
i will not be available, probanly the rest of the day. going to carry twins over to the cousins house, and i dunno when i get home, and me doing anything with them wanting to play on there computer is hard. as soon as i can, i will get involved with this and get back. it will be awhile, so, if you think of something to add, just put it in. i will catch it when. ok?

Report •

#298
January 15, 2010 at 14:06:41
smalll.....it looks like...K7-F5D7050B

Report •

#299
January 15, 2010 at 14:28:54
mmmmm, doing it while they getting dressed....the file name is....F5D-7050V1.EXE........it said it was good for windows 98 se. that is the one that i use before....1xxx

Report •

#300
January 15, 2010 at 14:54:57
OK. I've tidied up my #295 & #296.

Have you tried installing F5D-7050V1.exe since you re-installed Windows? Otherwise, unless there was something wrong with your download (or some other glich) its hard to understand the reason why. I suppose you could try again, not inserting the adapter until you've rebooted.

You could also take the entries out of Device Manager then reboot.

I'm half tempted to send you the driver I am using for my F5D7050B, Version 3003uk. The driver definitely listed 3xxx as the correct one for W98SE on that old saved website and it works. They now seem to have changed their minds and nothing for W98SE is listed for mine (the current 3xxx is a different file). The big problem is I don't know whether the 3003uk variant might upset things, although I didn't appear to use the 3003uk bit in my original selection. If it can be uninstalled in Control Panel > Add-Remove I suppose there's not much lost in trying but I'd prefer to make headway with 1xxx if at all possible (as that is their current advice).

It would be interesting to know the exact error message if you try again.
My current hunch is that the problem might be a hardware/driver compatibility error rather than the Belkin Adapter not being suitable for W98SE. I have a note that said mine crashed the system just after install but it has worked for well over a year since then without a hiccup.

some other bloke...


Report •

#301
January 15, 2010 at 15:56:44
In the link DAVE gave at #294, can I assume that none of the drivers under the heading "Driver - Network" have been installed?

some other bloke...


Report •

#302
January 15, 2010 at 17:58:40
the only thing in driver network, is the dila up adapter. i am assumeing it is the netzero that i put on. i will try 1xxx again. 2xxx has 98 se also? what about the one you say will work?

Report •

#303
January 15, 2010 at 19:02:21
Derek's probably gone to bed by now. How does all that belkin stuff hook up to the computer? Is it USB or lan/NIC? In 261 above you described an accton NIC card. Is that card installed? If so, is that where belkin is connected?

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#304
January 15, 2010 at 19:17:58
it is just a usb plug that plugs into front of PC. i do not see the accton NIC card you said was mentioned.

Report •

#305
January 15, 2010 at 20:05:40
OK, Derek had asked in # 301 if any network drivers had been installed and you mentioned only the dial up adapter was showing. But if the network card isn't there then you wouldn't need its drivers installed.

Does the belkin have the option to connect via NIC or just USB? NIC should be easier to setup, plus your USB is the slower 1.1. But if it's just USB then that's what you work with.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#306
January 16, 2010 at 06:35:54
Dave
It's just a USB device like this:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProd...

It might be worth having a couple of stabs at getting the Belkin going but if that fails there is another option. The Compaq has its own device with the drivers given in your link as "Compaq iPAQ Networking 11Mbps Wireless USB Driver and Configuration Utility". Here is one for sale:
http://www.amazon.com/Compaq-iPAQ-M...

jimbo
I would have thought the above would be easiest to get going but I assume you would prefer to try the Belkin again as it is already available. If so, ensure any previous attempt has been uninstalled from Control Panel > Add-Remove Programs. After that clear any Belkin entries from Device Manager and delete any Belkin folder in c:\program files (sometimes left behind). You can either try the 1xxx and/or 2xxx and we can look further into it if it doesn't work out. Alternatively I can send you my 3xxx driver which is fine for W98SE and not the one given on Belkins current website. If the FCC ID for yours is definitely K7SF5D7050B then a 3xxx driver makes more sense (3125) but obviously the one shown is unsuitable.
The Belkin driver situation is somewhat confusing.

some other bloke...


Report •

#307
January 16, 2010 at 06:37:13
i do not know what the, lan/nic is?

Report •

#308
January 16, 2010 at 06:44:37
i went to the Belweb site, and they had an online support chat. the only thing i could find was, Belkin did not support windows 98 se, but i could use a chip set information.....RT2571WF,RT25281,(RT73).....to help me. iwent to Ralink website, and find this info, but do not understand it, nor exactly what to do...........http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=1

Report •

#309
January 16, 2010 at 08:29:10
I think the Belkin device is near identical to mine and the driver download 3xxx that I'm using not only claimed to support Win98SE at that time but I am using it right now to answer you on my old W98SE machine, with a Belkin 7050 adapter. The fact that it is 3xxx and our device versions are also in the 3000 series makes sense. It's quite likely none of their current drivers will support W98SE because they are now quite different files from the one I originally used. I think my 3xxx is worth a go and am happy to send it to you and assist for a while if it doesn't work straight away. I suggest Belkin are not very interested in W98SE and I wouldn't believe everything they say.

As for the Railink stuff I know no more than you but am now going to have to limit my time on ComputingNet. If would prefer to persue that avenue, then I must leave it with you to work out.

There is also the Compaq Adapter I mentioned which is probably the one most likely thing to work straight away without any hassle.

some other bloke...


Report •

#310
January 16, 2010 at 11:12:59
it doesn't make any difference which download i use, as long as i can get it to work with the belkin adapter i have. i do not want to go and buy something else. i wll clean all my belkin, and try the coppaq, if you will send me drivers for 3xxx, i will try that also. thanks for the help. you be off long?

Report •

#311
January 16, 2010 at 12:53:42
You said you would try the compaq. Have you actually got their Adapter? It would be a bad idea to try to use their software for the Belkin (if that's what you were thinking of doing). Drivers are intended to go with specific device types.

I'll send you the Belkin driver and see it through with you until it either works or we decide to give up the Belkin idea. After that I might be away for some time.

The file is about 14M but my uploads are limited to about 7M. I will therefore use a file splitter to send it to you. I will include a very simple joiner (you just click a file). I will send two emails with instructions.

EDIT EDIT EDIT....
I've now sent both emails !!!

some other bloke...


Report •

#312
January 16, 2010 at 14:55:52
i will continue trying to get it, he second email download, everytime i click download, it just carries me to my inbox mail.

Report •

#313
January 16, 2010 at 15:13:13
I assume you got the first one and saved the two files. It seems odd because the only difference is that the second email has only one file attached. I've sent the second one again with minimal text - that's about all I can do with it this end.

If you are using Outlook Express, all you should need to do is open the email, click on the attachment, then File > Save Attachments.

some other bloke...


Report •

#314
January 16, 2010 at 16:53:58
i keep downloading, but the #2, when it downloads, and i open, it says windows cannot open this file.

Report •

#315
January 16, 2010 at 16:58:30
Derek, you might want to upload it to driverguide, especially since it's something that's now hard to find.

Driverguide takes a few days before they publicly post it but they give you a link as soon as it's uploaded and it can be downloaded immediately..

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#316
January 16, 2010 at 17:09:00
DAVE
Yep might well do. Just the same:-

jimbo
I don't get it. It sounds like you were you able to save the attachments on the first message - is that right?

If so, I can't see what the issue is with the second email. When you say "open" do you mean open the email? You don't have to open the attachment, just save it. The only thing that is different is that the main file in the first one has a .001 extension and the second one .002. I can't see why that should matter.

EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT
I've renamed the main files, which were truncated, altered the batch file and sent them again ("New Email 1" and "New Email 2"). Everything is now less than 8 characters.

Delete any saved files I sent previously.

some other bloke...


Report •

#317
January 17, 2010 at 15:19:02
We have produced the Belkin driver but the file is a self extracting zip (exe).

Does anyone know of a suitable freebie for W98SE? What we are looking for is a program which can be installed and automatically recognises the exe file as a self extracting zip and runs the install. I use an old Winzip, which does this, but I don't think that is free any more.

There are various ways of dealing with it but I feel we must keep things simple. I've been googling but it is a bit of a minefield.

EDIT
I'm sending an old Winzip 70 version I've unearthed. Hope this works - any comments.

some other bloke...


Report •

#318
January 17, 2010 at 17:36:00
Try this link for an older version of Winzip

I think everything up to about version 8 works on Win98.

http://www.oldversion.com/WinZip.html


Report •

#319
January 17, 2010 at 19:40:44
You don't need winzip on a computer in order to run a self extracting zip file there. The extraction info is part of the file.

I'm not sure about an option to autorun the setup after extraction. But that would have to be built in the zip file. I wanted to see if I could create that type of file with my winzip 8.0 but it's the evaluation/nonregistered version that doesn't have that option.

Having the setup autostart would be convenient but it doesn't seem like it would be a necessity.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#320
January 17, 2010 at 20:59:46
sorry being away from thread, for i been busy to. kids, company, and working with Derek on some files he trying to work up for me. I am sorry to say, i have not done a lot of good. I got the Belkin 7050v3.exe, to the computer. It downloaded, or rather run to the point of success, and wanting me to shut down. While i was down, put the adapter in puter, and turned on. When it come on, nothing like "new adapter", or any messages at all. The adapter never blinked, and when desktop loaded, only thing different was there was an icon there, and instead of OPEN, where i am used to seeing, there was open with control panel. all i knew was that, and it give me a message, incompatable driver version found. unable to load application.
I opened a folder that had some info in it. ............ICONS..

program files
system32
0x040g....text)
Belkinwireless
setup utility
Data1
instmsia
instmsiw
isscript
setup
setup..(text


these are some of the errors i saw in 0x040g.....
incompatable version of windows 95, or, of windows nt 4.0
do not have sufficient priviledges
setup does not contain the windows installer engine (%s)
required to run installer.
failed to varify signature of file %s.
get help for this installation
failed to complete installation
setup initialation error, failed to clone process.
set up newer version of Wininet.exe
........................................................
I am communicating with HP, and they told me what i should do. I tried that also, and same kind of problem. i wrote them back, and got a reply that it had been turned over to another department, and they would get in touch with me. in the mean time, i been driving Derek coo coo. cI have been makeing so manyj comments about so many different things, i know nothing about, and cannot remember, if i even told you the efforts about getting dial up worked. i do have dial up.going to bed now, and check to see if any read it.


Report •

#321
January 17, 2010 at 21:39:55
One of the error messages seems to deal with windows installer. Here's an update for that:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...

Download (at least) the InstMsiA.exe file there and run it to install it. Then you might try the belkin install again.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#322
January 18, 2010 at 06:22:50
what are the other downloads? can i use all of them? can i assume any update for windows 98 se from microsoft is ok? what is the winnet.exe. i am searching for more updates to put on a disk, rather than just putting 1 on a disk.

Report •

#323
January 18, 2010 at 07:59:30
DAVE - Re #319 and your PM
Yes, of-course, it's an exe so it should decompress as part of the Belkin installer. Having heard something from jimbo about compressed files and zips, plus a bit of head spin on my part, my logic failed me.

jimbo
You now have Winzip 7.0. Although you do not need it right now it will almost certainly be useful at a later date, so keep the file.

As for the Belkin you now have my file and can dump all the stuff (File1 File2, Joiner) which might still be lurking on your newer machine.

Re#321 - yes, sure worth a try and probably DAVE can best advise on your query at #322.

Bear in mind what I said in one of my emails. If you try further Belkin driver installs, make sure you first uninstall anything you have done (Control Panel > Add-Remove, then any Belkin folder left in Program Files, then any relevant entry in Device Manager).

I still believe that because we both have series 3000 hardware then my 3xxx driver is the best one to try (after first attending to post #321 etc). I think Belkin's current website is in a muddle regarding W98SE drivers - this can happen because interest wanes on older operating systems

If you get to the point where it is clear that my driver is not going to do the trick then there are always their 1xxx and 2xxx drivers to retry. Both are claimed to be suitable for W98SE but they seem out of step because on the same page they also link our Adapters to 3xxx.

I have only one Belkin Adapter icon, in the system tray next to the clock. I can't remember if I had a desktop icon at one time but I often delete those if the tray icon covers their function.

I would like to take a break shortly but as I know all the entries and files associated with my Belkin then I'm happy to persist with you until we either get your Belkin Adapter working or give it up as a bad job.

The proper Compaq option is most likely to work but I realise you don't wish to buy extra kit. Note however that the one I showed you was the first I found ($13). There may be cheaper ones if you Google using "Compaq iPAQ Networking Wireless Adapter". The software is available from Dave's link at #294.

some other bloke...


Report •

#324
January 18, 2010 at 13:30:06
The other 2 downloads on that page are just licensing stuff and have nothing to do with the operation of windows installer.

I think wininet.dll will update when you update IE to IE 6, at least mine seemed to. Your installation of netzero probably updated to IE 6.

There's also an update for that file here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831167

You would download the 32 bit package and run it.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#325
January 18, 2010 at 13:41:33
The wininet.dll on my 98 with IE 6 (edit) is verison 6.00.2800.1548
and dated 4-28-06 so it's a newer version than the update I linked to above. It probably came from one of the IE security updates.

Since you've a got working internet connection on it you should probably go to windows update and let it scan your system and download any IE updates before trying to install the belkin stuff.

But go ahead and update windows installer. That's a separate issue.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#326
January 19, 2010 at 07:20:06
I have the downloads Derek sent, on cd, and it opens on my old computer. I just cannot turn my puter off, plug my adapter in, then turn puter on, and it recognise my adapter and download the drivers from the adapter.

Report •

#327
January 19, 2010 at 08:51:25
I'm not sure whether I've quite got your drift. Are you still trying to set it up?
If so, then after installing the driver and booting with the Adapter in place presumably there is some problem.

Did you follow up DAVE's suggestions in #321 and #324 because they might affect the ability to install a Belkin driver and make it work?

Have you tried booting up once again with the Adapter still plugged in?

Has its icon arrived in the system tray near the clock?

I can compare notes with mine, which could help, but need to be sure just how far you have got and exactly what is happening (or not happening).

some other bloke...


Report •

#328
January 19, 2010 at 13:13:42
well, i am so mixed up on this thing about getting the adapter to working, and i am just takeing up to much of your time with this. i will tell you where i am after the last 2 days.

i have your program on cd. when it opens, i get a menue, including, instal. when i install, it goes thru installation, ends with a "thank you".

i shut down, plug adapter in, and start up. no bling of adapter, no nothing, computer just starts up. i click the icon on desktop to open, i get a message, "plug your adapter in". i unplug, then plug again. nothing i can do, gets the adapter recognised. i search for more things to do than i can set and write about, but nothing i do gets the adapter to running when i plug it in.

i even went to driverguide.com, and search for some kind of chip, that would enable the computer to recognise the adapter, and it run. i found one, RT2500USB.zip, that a lot of info i am hearing to make the adapter run on windows 98 se. It makes no difference wheather i have that, or not. it don't


i may end up with the one dave is talking about from Compaq, but i want do that, until i know i want have the same type problems with that i do with this. i may even go by Best Buy and ask them something. Like i had said in beginning of this,work on windows 98 se, that is is just a project that i would like to solve without spending a lot of money on, but i will keep working with it.

Dave, you don't have a copy, or something i could use to put on the computer, rather than windows 98 se? i have disk i made for windows xp, to use on my other computer. can i use those disk to put on this computer? just asking.

if you have an idea on any of this,you all, let me know. i do not want to keep bothering you with all this. One more thing i would like to ask in this post.....somewhere withen this thread, i posted an example of the procedure i used for deleting all the windows on the drive, and installing the new windows 98 se disk. my mind is not good at remembering things, and am already finding myself unable to remember all of what we done, like, i cannot even remember at what point i put the FORMAT C:. i want to make me a copy of that procedure, but i cannot remember the steps. just a simple list of steps would be appreciated. I APPRECIATE, YOU.


Report •

#329
January 19, 2010 at 14:56:17
A "chip" is piece of electronic hardware (not a zip file). RT2500USB.zip is something which modifies a file for a Railink driver which you haven't got, so ignore that for now.

1. Keep the adapter plugged in from now on.

2. Assuming the Belkin still doesn't work, have a look in:
c:\program files\Belkin\Belkin Wireless Network Utility.
In that last folder (Belkin Wireless Network Utility) you should find 32 files and two folders. If so, this means that the software has installed. If either of the Belkin main folders are missing then something went totally wrong with the install.

3. In Device Manager are you showing an entry "Network Adapters"? If so it should expand out to "Belkin 54g Wireless USB Network adapter". If an error is showing then remove the "Belkin Wireless Network Utility" entry and reboot to see if that helps.

4. If (as apparently happened once before) it shows as "Unknown Device" this is wrong. Expand that entry, delete it and reboot to see if that helps.

5. You could also look in Control Panel > Networks. Please don't alter anything there but just check to see if there is at least one entry with mentions the Belkin Adapter.

some other bloke...


Report •

#330
January 19, 2010 at 16:07:31
yes, i did all the updates
yes i rebooted...number of times
no there is no icon
do not know how to prove sockets are working

Report •

#331
January 19, 2010 at 16:20:08
Check in device manager to make sure the USB ports are OK. They probably show as the last entry there as 'univeral serial bus controllers'.

Does the belkin device has its own power supply or does it get its power from the usb port?

An XP install using the disk from the other computer would probably need to be activated so using it on the compaq isn't a good idea as microsoft would deny it. I do have an XP disk that doesn't need to be activated so I could probably send you a copy of that. You mentioned above you have 383 meg of ram in it, which is enough for XP

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#332
January 19, 2010 at 16:30:57
DAVE
It powers from the USB.

jimbo
Thanks. I thought you were not around so I started editing my previous post and was about to shoot off. After you've looked at DAVE's first line in #331, go back to my edited #329 and go through my 1 to 5 there.

Obviously if there are general problems with your USB ports then it won't work, but it would still worth running through my 1 to 5 so that I can find out your situation with the driver install.

There is definitely something wrong if you do not get a tray icon.

I'll stick around for a while but not too long (bedtime looms).

some other bloke...


Report •

#333
January 19, 2010 at 16:35:47
Dave
i hace in devise manager a + entry for, UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS CONTROLLERS.....after clicking the +,......
*generic usb hub
*intel82801AA usb universial host controller
*usb root hub
....and i see no marks that tell me they not working. do you say you have a copy of XP? to send me?

Report •

#334
January 19, 2010 at 16:44:53
First see my new #329, and #332.

I had better say that I had problems installing the Belkin Adapter on my XP with the correct XP driver. It worked fine but froze the system if I started it with the Adapter inserted in the USB. I had to insert it after WIndows had booted.
I eventually installed a PCI card instead.

You might be luckier but I felt I should point that out.

some other bloke...


Report •

#335
January 19, 2010 at 16:50:00
It looks like your USB ports are OK, although you might want to try the belkin in a different USB port.

Yeah, if you can't get it going with 98 I can send an XP disk. But go through Derek's # 329 first.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#336
January 19, 2010 at 17:23:29
Derek
i will try and tell you what i see. adapter plugged in, and boot up.there are 2 folders in program files....i is a Belkin folder. inside that is 1 folder, Belkin wireless network utility. INSIDE that is 2 folders, and 23 files. the other folder in programs, is Belkin usb wireless monitor....that folder is empty.

the devise manager, did have a Belkin 54g wireless usb network adapter, and there was a yellow mark beside it. i removed the link, and rebooted. when windows was loading, just as windows was comeing on i got an error message, please insert the disk labeled windows 98 se cd-rom, and click on. i put the 98 disk in, clicked on, and it started with missing files. i figured i could get back to that point, so i canceled. the screen froze, and could not click anything. got an error in msrv, so i powered down, and started again. now there is an icon in taskbar by the clock, with a different one than i had on other computer. the other one figured out all of connections. this will work, i think, if i could fill out info.


will be going some where for a moment, but will be back soon.


Report •

#337
January 19, 2010 at 17:44:17
am back, and i find myself being able to get on line with the adapter. i do not understand it, but it is. i guess it wound up finding my account and settings. can you tell me is there anything i can do to clean things up and not mess with what i have now?

Report •

#338
January 19, 2010 at 17:46:04
Thanks for info. I'm not sure what to make of all that and hope that somehow it is now working.

The file count being only 23 is surprising when compared to my 32 (unless one of us transposed the figures), especially considering I am using the same driver on W98SE. I didn't check what was in the sub-folders because I was only trying to get a general idea if things looked reasonable. There are sometimes empty folders in programs so don't worry about that.

The request for W98SE CD is also rather surprising and makes me think your last Windows install didn't go quite as well as it should have. Perhaps I would have let it sort out the missing files if it could.

The idea of removing the appropriate entry in Device Manager often helps. It gives Windows another chance to try to find the drivers you have already installed and set them up again (provided the driver install went reasonably well in the first place).

I have found the Belkin Wireless adapter a bit fussy. Once it works it seems best to keep it plugged in all the time and not try to shut the adapter down from its software either. Reboot usually fixes any odd gliches, but if left alone it seems to perform quite nicely.

At least this seems to prove that your USB port situation is OK.

some other bloke...


Report •

#339
January 19, 2010 at 17:49:19
Our posts last two posts crossed.

Great news - I'm off to bed now.

Not sure what you meant by "clean things up" but I'd be inclined to quit while you are winning and leave well alone. Defrag maybe but that's all.

If you get any more issues on that machine I would create a new post because wading through 339 posts is quite hard to do.

Nite

some other bloke...


Report •

#340
January 19, 2010 at 18:32:43
i will leave as is...thanks. Jimmy

Report •

#341
January 19, 2010 at 19:32:09
If you get the message to 'insert the 98 cd' again go ahead and do it. If it's not looking in the WIN98 folder on the disk you'll need to browse to that location.

Also, sometimes when files are missing, 98 defaults to asking for the 98 disk even though the files it needs are from a third party--like belkin. You'll know if that's the case if it can't find what it needs on the 98 disk.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


Report •

#342
February 14, 2010 at 07:50:48
Yes it does seem like you have another HD but we can still try to install on C.If we can get Windows up all will be revealed a lot easier.
http://www.01com.com/

Report •

Ask Question