Can't boot from Win98 startup disk.

August 26, 2013 at 10:45:30
Specs: Windows XP
Hi,I recently had to change the monitor on a 12 year old Win 98SE PC. All I get now is BIOS rom checksum error. Tried every key combination and can't enter bios. When I use the startup disk (floppy) I get a series of errors. Have changed battery, done the jumper thing, pushed power button for 30secs.still cant get into BIOS.Using startup floppy, run FDISK get No fixed disks present,run sys com get required parameter missing try format C: get format not supported on drive C:. Last thing tried sys com C: get insert system disk in drive press any key to continue. What ever i do no result. Also CD drivers appear not to be present. Anyone help?

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#1
August 26, 2013 at 11:21:27
Fdisk saying 'no fixed disk present' means there's a problem with the hard drive--it's bad, the connection came loose or it's not set up right in cmos/bios setup. All the other errors stem from that.

Common keys to enter bios setup are DEL, F1, F2 and F10 (for compaq) but post back the system or motherboard model number so we can check.

And if you're using a USB keyboard, use a PS/2 instead. If USB legacy support isn't enabled then you won't be able to use a USB keyboard to get into bios setup.

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#2
August 26, 2013 at 13:33:39
Yep, HD failure (or it's connections) sounds likely. None of these things should have happened due to changing a monitor.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks


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#3
August 27, 2013 at 08:12:55
Thanks for getting back to me guys, its an Intel 440BX AGP set m/board on a Mesh system and I'm using a PS2 keyboard. Hard disk is a 17Gb Ultra DMA.

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#4
August 27, 2013 at 09:20:56
Maybe when you installed the new monitor an internal IDE cable got loose. I would try reseating all your cables first.

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#5
August 27, 2013 at 11:25:54
Another question is whether the machine has been sitting around for a long time. If so, the CMOS/BIOS battery may have drained to the point where it can't hold the parameters for the drive. If that's the case, you'll have to replace it before setting it back up in the BIOS or it'll lose the settings when you power-down again.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#6
August 27, 2013 at 13:01:13
I replaced the battery with a new one, even did a 24 hr cmos clear, still can't enter BIOS.

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#7
August 27, 2013 at 17:53:17
A 440 chipset would be a P-II or early P-III so that's a pretty old system. And a 17 gig hard drive would be at least 10 years old.

To clear the cmos it's usually easiest to locate the 'clear cmos' jumper. Then with the power cord removed jumper it to the clear position for a few seconds and then back to standby. Then restart the computer.

You didn't post back the motherboard model number but the key to enter bios setup is almost certainly one of the ones I mentioned in # 1 above. You need to start tapping the key after you start up the PC. Don't just push it once as you may miss the window in which the bios detects it.

If you still can't get into setup try just pushing as many random keys as you can. Sometimes you'll get a keyboard error and then a message asking if you want to go into bios setup.


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#8
August 27, 2013 at 18:51:11
"...try just pushing as many random keys as you can. Sometimes you'll get a keyboard error and then a message asking if you want to go into bios setup."

Good point DAVE. Had almost forgotten that trick.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#9
August 27, 2013 at 23:55:39
Yeah, I think I discovered that by accident--being frustrated by the same problem the OP is having and just banging on the keyboard to 'teach it a lesson'.

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#10
August 28, 2013 at 13:03:18
I've located some of the information you requested on the m/board. Tyan S1854, Trinity 9658210 S1854 AGPX4-PCI-ISA
and there is another printed number on the edge ET21.
Power Supply is ATX-1125B. If i'm using the correct term the system is not going through it's post procedure before the OS loads where it shows system info., windows welcome screen e.t.c. The first and only screen I see after pressing the power button is:
Award Bootblock BIOS V1.0
Bios Checksum error
Detecting floppy drive A media
Insert system disk and press enter.
This happens whatever key I press and after repeatedly clearing CMOS. Hope this info. helps and again thanks.

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#11
August 28, 2013 at 14:33:50
If you bought a dead battery you would be feeling like a fool right about now wouldn't you? Mind pulling it and checking it with a voltmeter? Just to be sure.

Bios Checksum error happens when the CMOS memory can't retain information from it's last boot up usually due to a weak battery. Or one that's been put in wrong.

Lee


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#12
August 28, 2013 at 15:10:39
Good idea to wonder about the battery but unfortunately an offload voltage test proves very little. If have known batteries that still read quite a healthy voltage off load but when you retest with a load they fall off to near zero.

You can test on the Amps range, starting with the highest setting to protect the multi-meter and using brief applications of the meter only. To to my mind that is rather like testing old radio tubes with a hammer. The near short circuit load can darned near kill the battery. In any event unless you know what you are supposed to see on the meter then it is all a bit meaningless.

Sadly without specialized test gear (or the knowledge to calculate suitable load resistors) the only way to be sure is by using a replacement battery and to let it fully charge. Fine, but expensive if the battery was not the culprit.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks


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#13
August 28, 2013 at 15:20:36
The manual is here:

http://www.tyan.com/archive/support...

Go down to the 'trinity 400' line and then in its far right column download the 1,2,3 and 4 links. Download them (or copy them) to their own folder named tyan or something you'll remember and then run the first file. That will extract the others into a single pdf file.

From page 34

"During POST, you can start the Setup program in one of two ways:
1. By pressing <Del> immediately after switching the system on, or
2. By pressing the <Del> key when the following message appears briefly at
the bottom of the screen during POST:

TO ENTER SETUP BEFORE BOOT PRESS DEL KEY

If the message disappears before you respond and you still wish to enter
Setup, restart the system to try again by turning it OFF then ON or pressing
the RESET button on the system case. You may also restart by simultaneously
pressing <Ctrl>, <Alt>, and <Delete> keys. If you do not press the keys at the
correct time and the system does not boot, an error message appears and you
are again asked to

PRESS F1 TO CONTINUE, DEL TO ENTER SETUP"

Also you can usually hit the 'pause' key while it's posting to stop the process so you can see the screen.


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#14
August 29, 2013 at 10:02:30
Like I say the system is not posting. The screen I have detailed is the only screen I see.This is the end of the process-nothing before-nothing after. I will try a new battery though.

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#15
August 29, 2013 at 10:13:41
Disconnect the HDD(s) & optical drive(s) but leave the floppy. Boot the system & tap the DEL key. Now can you access the BIOS?

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#16
August 29, 2013 at 13:15:01
It's posting ortherwise you wouldn't be seeing anything on the screen. There may be an option for 'fast post' in cmos that is skipping some of the detailed testing and that's why it's going through it so fast.

You say the last thing that shows on the screen is:

Insert system disk and press enter

What does it do then? Do you press 'enter'? What happens next?

Maybe you have a problem with the keyboard. It's not a USB keyboard connected through one of those ps/2 adapters is it? And it's connected to the keyboard and not mouse port? (Sorry, don't mean to ask possibly stupid questions but sometimes it turns out to be a simple mistake like that.)

Have you checked the hard drive connections? You might try a different power connector too. Sometimes the metal contacts get flarred out and don't make a good connection.


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#17
August 30, 2013 at 08:29:51
To answer your questions I insert the boot floppy and press enter when prompted Dave, then I get the errors detailed in my first post. You're right it is a USB keyboard through an adapter, but I think it's in the right port as its it's working in all other ways. I'll try all the other suggestions and post back, please bear with me.

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#18
August 30, 2013 at 14:43:26
Those adapters only work with 'combo' keyboards and mice that are designed to work as both PS/2 and USB. If yours isn't one of those then that's the reason you can't get into bios setup with it.

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#19
September 1, 2013 at 01:55:10
I borrowed a mate's PS/2 keyboard,a genuine one (no adapter) and I still can't enter BIOS. Am I up the spout Dave?

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#20
September 1, 2013 at 02:17:28
Are you tapping the DEL key right after turning on the PC?

As riider mentioned in # 15 you can disconnect stuff and maybe force it to offer the bios setup option when it sees things have changed. Or try mashing keys at random and maybe you'll get a keyboard error and the option to enter setup.


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#21
September 2, 2013 at 12:49:00
Tried a new battery, then disconnected hard drive and cd rom, tried first delete key then mashed keyboard and still no luck. Same message time after time. Seems you were both right in #1 and #2. Thanks to all for your help, appreciate it. Looks like I'm in the market for a new one.

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#22
September 2, 2013 at 14:04:50
Most of those older motherboards had a small fuse near the keyboard connector. It looks like a regular resistor and you can't tell by just looking at it if it's blown. But if it is the keyboard won't work. When you turn on the PC do you get the mementary flash on the keyboard LEDs for numlock, caplock and scroll lock?

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#23
September 3, 2013 at 00:25:21
Yes I do Dave, and I've also entered commands after putting the boot floppy in but to no avail.

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#24
September 3, 2013 at 01:54:05
Oh yeah, I guess I've been concentrating on the reasons why you can't get into cmos/bios setup and forgot your initial description shows the keyboard is working.

You're still using the borrowed PS/2 keyboard? Let it boot up from the bootdisk and try running the commands as you did originally. That way we can verify that keyboard is working OK. Assuming it is then the only reason I can think of why it's not entering setup is you're hitting DEL at the wrong time. But it seems like after all the attempts you'd have gotten it at least once.

Well, there was another thread I was involved in where the keyboard wasn't working and we finally got it to do a bios upgrade. It kind of suprised me that that fixed the problem. Apparentlly his bios was corrupted. I suppose you have nothing to lose by trying that. As I recall the support page for that motherboard showed a bios upgrade.

Edit Yeah here it is:

http://www.tyan.com/archive/support...

Post back if you want to try it but have problems setting up the disk.

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#25
September 3, 2013 at 10:26:53
I'm going to have to order a floppy drive Dave as my online computer doesn't have one and my CD drivers are missing on the problem one. May get back to you shortly.

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#26
September 13, 2013 at 08:08:22
OK Dave I've got the floppy drive can you run me through setting up the disk? Also something I don't understand, when I've inserted the boot disk the keyboard types capitals or lower case completely at random. Maybe I should try yet another keyboard to be sure.

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#27
September 13, 2013 at 15:02:09
The bootdisk is the original on you've been using? I don't see any reason it should be affecting the keyboard. Yeah I guess try another one.

So I guess we were trying to set up a disk to upgrade the bios. I think the easiest way is for me to make the disk and then email you its disk image. Then on the computer you just got the floppy drive for you can run the image and create the upgrade disk. I'll send you a private message. In your response include your email address so I can send the imgae file.


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#28
September 17, 2013 at 21:35:31
Sorry I haven't sent it yet. One of my hard drives started clicking and I spent a few days coaxing it back to life and copying everything to another drive. I'm still trying to get caught up with things.

I was wondering, if the new floppy drive is an external one, what drive letter is it assigned by windows? I think the self extractng zip file I would send needs it to be at A: or B: but I've never tried it with an external.


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