Can I boot win98se from usb drive with 4 gig memory

January 14, 2016 at 17:57:58
Specs: Windows 7
I have windows 98se on USB hard-drive but it will not load. I have 4 gig ram but windows 98se says I have insufficient memory and quits loading

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#1
January 14, 2016 at 18:44:31
Windows 98SE cannot handle any more than 512M of RAM. Any more than that and it trots out those weird "insufficient" messages. Reduce the inbuilt RAM to that figure. There might be other things we can suggest once you have got it booting up.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks


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#2
January 14, 2016 at 19:20:42
98 is unable to address that much memory and uses up all its resources trying to do so. That why you get low memory errors. Gobs of ram like that were unheard of when 98 came out. As a consequence no efforts were made to accomodate it.

Editing some of its startup files can usually fix that. Here's a collection of screen shots I uploaded several years ago that illustrate one method:

http://members.driverguide.com/matc...


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#3
January 14, 2016 at 20:22:05
There is no way I can reduce the memory. I have a 4 gig memory card. I heard there was once a patch to get around this but I can't find it anywhere. I am running windows 10 on my c drive, but I would like to boot to usb and run 98se for some old programs I still want to use.

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#4
January 14, 2016 at 21:23:23
This patch has been mentioned here before and would suit your needs:

http://rloew.x10host.com/Programs/P...

if you don't mind buying it. Alternatives would be running 98 as a virtual machine in the OS you're using now, buying an older more compatible computer for 98 usage or experimenting with modifying 98's startup files.

Edit Note that even if you get 98 running on it you're going to have a problem finding 98 drivers for any computer new enough to have 4 gig of ram. That may or may not affect the software you want to run.

I've never tried that patch and was just wondering how you install it when 98 won't boot at all. That might be something you'd ask the seller should you decide to go that route.

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#5
January 15, 2016 at 00:31:34
There are actually a load of motherboards capable of using 4GB of RAM and being 98 compatible. Virtually all Intel 865 or 875 Chipset based boards fall into that category (ref. Intel D865PERL, SOYO P4-I875P Dragon 2, etc). However since the OP has a "4 gig memory card" I assume it is newer and not one of those systems, which would use 4x1GB sticks.

rloew's patch installs in pure DOS so Windows does not need to load. It can be installed from a DOS-bootable Floppy, CDROM, etc. Or, you can place the patch on your HDD with a Live CD, etc, and then just press F8 as soon as the OS starts to boot, choose Command Prompt only, and run the patch.

Why don't you guys ever try the free Demo and see for yourselves what 9x is capable of? :p


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#6
January 15, 2016 at 13:22:23
"Why don't you guys ever try the free Demo and see for yourselves what 9x is capable of?"

Probably because we used 95/98/ME back in the days when it was practical to do so, but there's little need to do so in 2016. And if I did have a need, I'd cobble together a system with Win98 era specs. Of course, I have a plethora of vintage components so it would be easy for me; probably not so easy for others.


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#7
January 15, 2016 at 13:53:45
Thanks, guys, but I could not find the patch so I have used the other suggestion above.I have a virtual machine and 98se installed fine, then I put in an XP upgrade and now both problems I had are solved. I could not install my HP6210's software because it would not install past xp, they did not upgrade it. So, I play my dos games on a usb fat 32 that boots with the 98 system, and my virtual machine with xp installed all my printer software from online and all the features of it now work :)
I think the virtual machine is a really cool idea. I can flip back and forth. the vmvirtual is also free for home use, you only have to pay for commercial use. that part is also cool.

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#8
January 15, 2016 at 14:23:24
DAVEINCAPS, the patch installs at the first reboot when the master vmm32.vxd file is compressed, created and stored into the system folder. The patch lives within that file then and it must be applied during 98 installation process. It's not something you can add later on a whim - it only works once and that once is when the vmm32.vxd file is created at the first reboot during 98 installation. You must manually boot to DOS mode instead of letting 98 do it's first reboot - you then run the patch which does it's own vmm32.vxd creation with the patch included within it.

It works brilliantly, zero issues here.

"I have windows 98se on USB hard-drive but it will not load."
Jeeze, how did that happen? 98's USB support was almost non-existant and full of troubles with best efforts applied, yet you've done it. So I'm wondering what you actually have there, is it a pen drive with CAB files on it or something else entirely?

Although it might be fun to try such a beast as a booting to windows 98 USB drive, there are so many issues with drivers that don't exist in the first place I highly doubt consistent results will be obtained. Even with the patch, this is a long shot at best. Unless you have a guide to go by where someone else has done it and shows all about how to get it done. There used to be a site that claimed 98 was possible from a CD but it involved several false installs with corrected paths and batch files to fool the computer into using a ram drive instead of the hard drive, haven't seen it in ages and never tried it myself so some amount of vapor ware might have been involved there. I kind of think the same of USB versions of 98 until I see a site where this has actually been done.

Lee


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#9
January 15, 2016 at 14:50:25
melee5

Like many I'm very rusty but somehow I recall some CD version that you could use to boot Win98SE without need for a floppy or ram drive (like XP). Perhaps my memory is playing tricks or maybe it was a CD version of this (or similar):
http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/117

Mostly you needed the floppy but with the bootdisk made from Win 98 you could simply type setup at the A prompt and it would do all the rest.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks

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#10
January 15, 2016 at 23:18:22
@melee5

No, rloew's RAM patch can be applied at any time to an installation AFTER VMM32 is compressed during the second round of SETUP. You can manually patch the files beforehand, but this is not necessary.


@riider
"Probably because we used 95/98/ME back in the days when it was practical to do so, but there's little need to do so in 2016. And if I did have a need, I'd cobble together a system with Win98 era specs. Of course, I have a plethora of vintage components so it would be easy for me; probably not so easy for others."

Oh well, to each his own. IMO, foolish to falsely limit the capabilities of an operating system to far less capable hardware though. But the point was that yourself and others here always treat the RAM issue like it can be solved with "tweaks" (which does NOT work in all cases) and if someone does happen to mention the patch, it is always treated as some arcane unknown quantity. There's a free demo. Try it. Then you will know it works.


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#11
January 15, 2016 at 23:57:16
I wondered too about 98's limited support for USB devices and trying to run it from a USB drive. But I think you can boot any OS from USB because that's a bios not an OS function. The problem might come when 98 tried to read or write to the drive after bootup. It's another thing I haven't tried.

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#12
January 16, 2016 at 18:15:59
Japheth's HIMEMX might help.
Or perhaps the Himem.sys from win3x. (see XMSDSK.ZIP)

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#13
January 17, 2016 at 04:23:46
melee5 Windows 98 Second Edition had usb support. I have a 160 gig hard drive as an external drive. I could format it fat32 even get it to boot with the 98 dos and play old dos games. However, my computer has 4 gib memory in one slot and nothing I tried would let Windows 98 install on it.
So, I decided to leave it to boot in dos and play dos games like Wolfenstein 3d, and use VMware's virtual machine to install a copy of Windows XP so I could install my hp all in one software (not upgraded past xp). Stuff worked out. I am probably going to install a second virtual with 98 installed and just get rid of the small external drive.

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#14
January 18, 2016 at 01:15:20
@DAVEINCAPS
"I wondered too about 98's limited support for USB devices and trying to run it from a USB drive. But I think you can boot any OS from USB because that's a bios not an OS function. The problem might come when 98 tried to read or write to the drive after bootup. It's another thing I haven't tried."

Most of 98's lack of USB support is easily corrected with "NUSB."
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/436...

Booting 9x from a USB drive works until the OS actually realizes that the drive is connected via USB. This can be worked around but may cause other USB devices to be unusable depending on the specific hardware configuration.
See rloew's posts, about halfway down the second page.
http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/vi...


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#15
March 5, 2016 at 09:33:07
Unofficial SP2 (Solves 512 MB of RAM problem) for windows 98se and other free fixes and updates - http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#98SE

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