A possible workaround for SATA on some newer machines

April 16, 2014 at 22:51:17
Specs: Windows 98 SE
Hey all, been a while since I've been here. I just got 98 SE to boot on my Dell Optiplex 745 with a SATA HD and CDROM with the SATA setting in the BIOS set to "Normal". I used Freedos's UIDE.sys with it's /B switch. All other switch combos I tried failed. I also used HimemX to limit the amount of RAM available to 98 SE (3 Gigs installed is too much for 98).

Obviously, a DOS driver is going to run in Compatibility Mode and I suspect I'll see some slowness with file moves / transfers / copies, et cetra, but most likely the slowness will be minor. I will have the advantage of not having to use "Legacy" Mode for SATA in any newer OS that I dual or more boot with.

I suspect this would work with 95/98/98 SE/ME on some newer machines. Figured some of you might be interested. Details are here:

http://www.techtalk.cc/viewtopic.ph...

The last post on that page is where I figured it out. Be warned they allow fairly liberal use of language there too. I will also check this post in a few days and try to answer questions if I can. Obviously, can't guarantee this will work with every newer machine ;)


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#1
April 16, 2014 at 22:59:02
Thanks for that, though I don't imagine many people will be using pre-XP Windows versions today, but I take my hat off to those who are -- including you!

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#2
April 16, 2014 at 23:00:41
:) There's a few of us around! I do plan on running more Modern Operating Systems with it too.

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#3
April 17, 2014 at 15:18:38
And the point of this exercise is???

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#4
April 17, 2014 at 19:38:36
To run on of my favorite operating systems on the hardware I have.

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#5
April 18, 2014 at 06:26:14
I get that part, but why? And why not just run it in a VM?

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#6
April 18, 2014 at 14:45:01
Why? Short answer, because I want to.

Long answer, I do like Windows 98, I can get online with it, it does or can be made to do just about everything I need/want it to do. In my opinion, the only thing that more modern incantations of Windows really have to offer is the NT Kernel. Although, if you choose software somewhat carefully, the 9x Kernel is pretty good. Also, I have some old unopened versions of Visual C++ and Visual Basic, that are from a slightly earlier era and I want to do some programming. I actually want to test the stuff I compile on something older.

Going a bit beyond what you're asking, I didn't like the direction Microsoft took with Windows after Win 2K. The calling home (WGA, WPA, legitcheck), the babysitting (Security Center, System Restore, et cetra). Given what I said, I think you can imagine how I feel about Vista and 7, let alone 8. I don't want you to think that I'm a pirate either, I have still-in-the-box versions of Window and Dos! In fact, I opened Windows 98 SE just for this computer. I'm toying with the idea opening my NT 3.51 box to install on this thing. I don't despise XP, but when I open and install it, there's going to be some taming going on.

As to the VM(s) -- I appreciate a VM for what it is. I sometimes test out ReactOS on one. I wouldn't call DosBox a VM, but it's sorta in the neighborhood. I like having it (DosBox) on my later NT/Linux installs for old games and software. I don't like using VMs for long periods of time, they can be a little slow and hog a lot of resources and frankly, 98 SE is modern enough that I don't really see the need.

Obviously, these are just my opinions, take 'em for what they're worth.


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#7
May 14, 2014 at 12:30:04
@Steven W

If you choose to go with NT 3.51: I have an old system running NT 3.51 Service Pack 4. A very stable and solid 32 bit system with the 16 bit GUI from Windows 3.1, and it can run recent versions of Opera and Firefox with 128-bit encryption.

While a Service Pack 5 (alternate) was released, I prefer not to install service packs unless I have a particular need or software/program prerequisite.

http://sdfox7.com

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#8
May 14, 2014 at 19:18:43
Thanks sdfox 7, your site has been bookmarked ;)

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#9
June 3, 2014 at 16:52:31
Hey all, I was going to start a new thread for this, but can see that the Windows 95/98 thread is kinda dead here, so I'll just reply to this. I spoke about limiting RAM using HimemX in the thread I pointing to above, well we found some old German files that could be dropped on a 98/98 SE system and boot/use over 1 GB. A member (RFMaster) has written patch files that can patch the needed files to do the same thing with the English version of those files. We think it will work with up to 4 GB. I personally use it with 3 GB!

For anyone who's interested, you can read more here:

http://www.techtalk.cc/viewtopic.ph...

For now the patch is considered "Beta", I'll post back and let you know if/when it goes official.


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