Slave Drive Won't Defragment

July 9, 2015 at 13:32:16
Specs: Windows 8
I always use auslogics defragmenter. Ive used it for who knows how many years. today i tried to defragment my D drive which is 1tb. there is plenty of room left. 584gb free. when i go to defragment it gets to some odd % and then will not continue. the harddrive just makes a grindy sound like the sound of the needle going back and forth (the typical HD sound) but it doesnt make that noise until it hangs up, and when you hear the noise it will not continue. I've tried checking the drive with windows and it says no errors, so i let it check it anyways, still no errors.

I tried using a different software to defragment and still get the same results. it doesnt stop defragmenting at the same spot, sometimes it chooses to start defragmenting a different file than other times. still hangs up. I checked some of the files on the drive, and they are fine. what gives?

I have never seen this before. If you use auslogics defragmenter it shows the individual clusters of the current file its defragmenting. like say a file has 200,000 clusters, it shows a number until it reaches 200,000 then moves on to the next file. but a few % into the defrag process one of whichever file it decides to work on stops defragmenting, the clusters do not change, it just stops. and its not just one file. sometimes it selects a different file when i begin defragmenting and those files stop too. forcing me to hard shut down as i cannot stop, pause, or alt cntrl del the process because my harddrive will continue grinding regardless and / or the program refuses to close.

you can even check the disk using auslogics and it too says there are no issues. tried a different software, also the same issue, just stops defragmenting. this is just today i woke up and decided to do it. everyday before this was no problem. the windows defragmenter is well...complete garbage and says its not fragmented at all. but all other actual stand alone defragmenting software says it is. which i believe over the windows one any day. ive been doing this process for a very long time and i have never come across this.


This link shows the disk Stuck processing clusters this happens about 10 seconds into the process and has been stuck for 10 minutes now. this will force me to hard shut down.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/...

this all leads me to believe my drive is corrupted. yet i can view the data, videos, etc on the drive, as well as save to it. but simply cant defragment it.

another update. i took the file off in the picture that refused to process clusters. then tried defrag again. it simply chose a different fragmented file and immediately stopped processing clusters again. so it wasnt that particular file as i stated earlier in the message. also the drive appears to be a bit slow, it analyzes slowly and feels a bit sluggish. this is all just today since i woke up and turned my computer on and decided to fragment it. anytime before this worked just fine.

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#1
July 9, 2015 at 14:02:48
What happens if you use Windows' native disk defrag?

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#2
July 9, 2015 at 14:20:24
nothing, says its not fragmented. which is completely false as 2 other dedicated defrag programs say otherwise. now mind you, the stuff im defragmenting is mostly archived video footage for my youtube channel. but its the point that my drive wont defragment. so if perhaps later down the road i put a game or something on it. i wont be able to defragment. although i usually reserve games to my SSD, you never know, perhaps i will need to use it later. and even still, id like to be able to defrag my drive regardless, which i could until just today apparently. if you go ahead and defrag using windows anyway, it just blinks and 2 seconds later says its done. as if its not fragmented at all.

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#3
July 9, 2015 at 14:48:16
Windows concerns itself with file fragmentation; if your files aren't fragmented, and from your description I wouldn't expect file fragmentation, then it considers that good enough. You can run defrag from the Command Prompt, and defragment the free space as well, but it's unnecessary.

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#4
July 9, 2015 at 14:58:28
The real and complete story - Does Windows defragment your SSD?
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/TheRe...
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/defra...

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#5
July 9, 2015 at 20:35:15
You should not try to defrag an SSD drive.
An SSD drive does not store files linearly like a hard drive.
The defrag causes extra reads and writes to the drive and the drive puts the files where it wants to anyway without bothering to tell Windows where they are.
SSD drives do housekeeping differently.

I know that you did not bring up defrag on your SSD but since John brought it up I thought it should be stated so others do not get the wrong impression here.

Now onto your question:
Defragging is concerned with keeping all of the parts of a file together so that they are easy and fast to retrieve the entire file rather than hunting for all of the parts to a file every time you ask for it. This speeds up the computer, reduces lost fragments, and actually reduces wear on the drive. This Windows Defrag does for you without you doing anything starting with Windows 7 on (I think XP may have had the beginnings of it but I don't remember it's defrag well enough). You do not need to do anything more. Windows Defrag actually leaves spaces on the hard drive between files so that continuous defrag is possible and much faster since it does not need to move all those files around every time. That is how it can always keep your files together without bogging down your system moving everything all the time. Your concept of defragging went out with Windows 95 and Windows 98 so for your own sake and the health of your system, please forget it and dump those other programs and let Windows manage your files the right way.

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#6
July 10, 2015 at 01:59:11
i never mentioned an SSD drive. its just a standard slave hard drive, and now when im saving video files to it, they freeze up and have to restart my computer. i think my drive is kaput. but its only like 2 months old

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#7
July 10, 2015 at 02:41:43
Run Checkdisk ( chkdsk )
Disk Error Checking in Windows 8
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/disk-...
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorial...

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#8
July 10, 2015 at 09:21:26
Slave drive is an outdated term, it refers to the time when IDE drives were the common connection for a hard drive and there were two drives on one cable, one master and one slave. I assume you are using SATA drives of you probably would not be posting in the Windows 8 forum. Your Primary drive is your main drive with your operating system on it and probably most or all of your programs, your Storage drive is where you store your files. These are better terms that will lead to less confusion. Or you can refer to them as C drive and D drive, etc. and that works also.

In addition to running Checkdisk as above, you can create a bootable disk with Seatools on it (download ISO image of DOS version and burn CD) from Seagate and run their Short hard drive test utility. It should work on nearly all hard drives (many HD mfg's also have a test utility for their drives that you can use if you know what brand the drive is).

Important: If you suspect a hard drive problem the FIRST thing you should do is make a full back up of what is on the drive. There is no telling when a bad drive will stop working completely and hard drive tests can be the last straw if the drive is really going bad.

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July 10, 2015 at 14:04:09

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