Windows 7 is the best!

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November 22, 2009 at 20:25:03
Specs: Win 7 Home Premium, 2.127 GHz / 2039 MB
Hey out there, everyone! Usually when I get on this forum it's because I'm having problems, but not so this time. I decided it was time to quit buying all those so called refurbs at jacked up prices on eBay and buy a new PC. The deals are out there,too. For a little more than you can get one of those high priced XP based systems, you can get a brand new one with Windows 7 on it. And it rocks! And no harder to use than XP (and a lot easier to use than Vista, according to other sources). I still have my laptops that dual boot Win 2K Pro & XP Pro, but this new one is a killer. The deals are on and I, among many, feel that a lot of new laptops will be given at Christmas. On Black Friday, Wal Mart will have a top line HP laptop for $298. Who would have ever thought that computer prices would fall so low? There are some of those dual and quad core processors that costs that much alone. But I want to let all of you to know that I have appreciated all the great advice I've gotten on this forum. In fact, one response on this forum is what got me started thinking new. And I'll still be here, as I still have some learning to do, as well as keeping up my "eBay clunkers". One thing about that, those sellers won't be able to charge those jacked up prices now, with all the deals out there. And another thing, if a simpleton like me can learn, any of you can. Good Luck to all!

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#1
November 22, 2009 at 20:34:54
You will most likely find the problems in time. If not then wait for some updates to bork it.

Yep, A as in one not as in a bunch for everyone who shows up to buy it, good luck.

Playing to the angels
Les Paul (1915-2009)


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#2
November 22, 2009 at 21:13:20
Sure, in time all OS's have their problems, I very well know that. But when all you have had are refurbs, as I've always had, the problems came sooner than later. A PC is like a car or any machine, in time it will break. I just hope that it is a while before it does. I bought a laptop from eBay that had to be replaced three times before I got a good one. The same way with cars, most of the times I bought a used one, I got a lemon. But in 2001, I bought a new Toyota and so far, no trouble. You get what I mean. New is better than used, in most cases. But with the low prices today, I'll never buy another refurb (if that's what they want to call it) on eBay. About all they do is put in the reinstall disc, so you will think you have a like new one. But that doesn't fix everything. It's like buying a car with 200,000 miles on it, and all they do is change the oil (and put thick oil in, too).

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#3
November 22, 2009 at 21:22:29
"A PC is like a car or any machine, in time it will break. I just hope that it is a while before it does."

Never liked that analogy (even though I used similar at times). By putting fresh gas in a new car, you usually don't bork it as often as putting an update or software on a PC. Most M$ OS's don't work quite right until a service pack or four...


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#4
November 22, 2009 at 23:05:33
I haven't had a problem yet. On the Windows 7 forums, the only ones that are complaining are the ones who converts XP systems to Windows 7. Like I said, at some point, I'll run into a problem. But when I do, there's plenty of help online. That's the way it was with Win 2K Pro & XP Pro. When trouble arises, I'll deal with it when it comes.

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#5
November 23, 2009 at 02:04:12
If you look closer, the problems on this Windows 7 forum are more related to drivers and software/hardware compatibility. Yes, I bit the bullet early (atypical of me) and haven't yet had a problem (even on my "antiquated" hardware). But something about the feel of Win7 (for lack of a better phrase) just doesn't seem right. I've still not ruled out going back to XP...

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#6
November 23, 2009 at 13:31:05
I think I heard a comic say that if a car were like a PC it would break down every block. I'd bet a car fairs better than a pc does in mtbf.

Sorry to dampen your happiness. One of my W7 installs seemed to go south just after the last update.

Playing to the angels
Les Paul (1915-2009)


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#7
November 23, 2009 at 13:47:38
Have to agree. I was full of Win7 praise initially but I'm starting to get a few gremlins that make me look forward to SP1.........

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us..."


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#8
November 23, 2009 at 15:28:43
I'm sure that there are those looking for service pack 1. Well, today my first error showed up (0x0C600c03). I got this error when I tried to download Windows Live Safety Scanner. Didn't take long, did it? But I'm under warranty here, so I'll contact HP about it. I guess whether old or new, you're going to have problems.

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#9
November 23, 2009 at 15:34:02
Windows 7 is the best!

Only to one person in the world - Steve Ballmer. For everybody else .... How can Windows 7 (or any Windows platform) be the best when M$ engineers are busy passing out articles, updates & fixes for all kinds of problem like THIS on an almost-daily basis? Go figure.

i_Xp/Vista/W7User


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#10
November 23, 2009 at 18:53:22
Well, turns out that it was the program that I was trying to download was the problem, and not my PC. Came to find out, a lot of 64 bit Windows 7 & Vista users ran into this same problem. It only runs in 32 bit mode. An HP tech man was online with me, checking out my PC, and nothing's wrong. Thank goodness for that. However, there are a LOT of programs that aren't in 64 bit yet. That's strange, because the majority of new PC's are 64 bit. And just to make sure that he knew what he was talking about, I googled the code number, and it led right to that program, and the fact that a lot of people who bought Win 7 64 bit systems has the same trouble confirmed his word. I'm glad, because nothing else has given me trouble. But on the other hand, there will be programs (I read that Adobe is one) that I cannot use until drivers are made for them. And they are already talking about Windows 8 in the works, possibly 128 bit. Can't they let anyone get used to one OS before they talk about a new one?

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#11
November 23, 2009 at 19:29:14
Saying that Windows 7 is the best does not mean it's a great operating system, or even good for that matter. Of course it depends on what you are comparing it to-it's like voting for the lesser of two(three, four ?) evils in an election.

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#12
November 23, 2009 at 20:16:03
From all accounts that I have heard and read about, it's better than Vista, Windows ME, all Linux "distros". I don't know about MAC. But having used XP Pro since 2002 qualifies me to say it's a step above it. With the same amount of RAM, Win 7 outruns XP Pro. On my old PC, XP Pro could only use 3GB out of 4GB RAM. I could have jumped the gun to state that it is the best, but the sheer numbers that are jumping on it tells a lot. They didn't bite for Vista like that. And it's only just begun. The retailers are selling the crap out of new laptops, even more so than they thought they would. You can buy a fully loaded laptop for a little more than purchasing Win 7 & installing yourself. This Friday, Wal Mart is going to have a HP laptop for $298 that sells for more than twice the price. The people will start lining up at 3AM for that deal. I may do so myself, then resell it on eBay unopened for $450. That's still less than the regular price. I may buy 3 of them. You don't have to believe me, just wait until after Christmas, and there will be a lot of people on this forum seeking advice on how to use features. Just wait and see. Every Wal Mart across the USA and Canada will sell out of these before noon. And that's not counting the other deals out there. If you want a new one, now's the time. My wife's first laptop with Win 2K Pro cost $1,100 in 2002. Now they are in the $300 to $450 range, fully loaded. Windows 7 will outsell all previous versions, just wait and see.

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#13
November 23, 2009 at 20:23:56
f you compare WIN 7 to a MAC, you are really not just comparing operating systems since Apple builds the computer as well. Well, I guess you could just compare the operating systems. But some of the hardware or software compatibility problems are less likely with a MAC since Apple builds the computer , though they don't necessarily provide all of the components.

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#14
November 23, 2009 at 23:38:37
"Windows 7 will outsell all previous versions, just wait and see.

It's got a long row to hoe. MS has never stuck with selling an OS for almost 9 years like it will with XP.

Release (10/25/01):
http://www.pcworld.com/article/4960...

Availability until (6/30/10):
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/...

"there are a LOT of programs that aren't in 64 bit yet. That's strange, because the majority of new PC's are 64 bit."

But OS's or programs aren't developed just for new PC's. The number of PCs built in the last year doesn't even begin to approach the number of those built in the last 10. Industries (the largest buyer of PC equipment) are generally the last to invest in new equipment since that's one of their largest expenses (and I know of thousands of industrial machines still running Win3x/95/98/NT4)...

"With the same amount of RAM, Win 7 outruns XP Pro."

Only on some benchmarks (though Vista seems to suffer all around):

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,281...

"The retailers are selling the crap out of new laptops, even more so than they thought they would.

No they're not. They're selling netbooks by the ton, but laptop revenues have suffered due to it (and lots of netbooks are being sold with WinXP or some version of Linux):

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/11/...

"...just wait until after Christmas, and there will be a lot of people on this forum seeking advice on how to use features"

As they have since this forum began, they'll largely be looking to resolve problems, not seeking advice on features. This is a tech-support site, not a "tips & tricks" site...

Time to come back down to earth; only time will tell the true tale of Win7....


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#15
November 24, 2009 at 14:17:45
.... and the young kid was so happy when this thread started.

Playing to the angels
Les Paul (1915-2009)


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#16
November 24, 2009 at 14:59:59
I cant disagree with you on some of these things, especially the longevity of XP. I still have it on both of my laptops, and it is far from dead. Win 2K Pro is still alive,too. But XP has nothing to prove to anyone. It has served me and countless millions well. It also kept Microsoft afloat during the Vista years. Vista was a loser for Microsoft, and until the Windows 7 release, over 60% of all computers was running XP. I'm proud of XP, and will run it on my existing laptops until the wheels fall off. But I wanted to move forward when I bought this PC. It is true that Win 7 has a long way to go to gain the fame of XP. However, in time I feel that it will. As these older systems (including mine) breaks down, they will buy new ones, because at today's prices, why spend a ton of cash on an old system. Especially laptops, I was originally upgrade mine to run Win 7 and the part cost more than I paid for the laptop. And the part was refurbished at that. PC's, you can buy parts for to upgrade or repair. But I've been reading, and I'm a member of two Win 7 fourms, and the numbers are growing rapidly. On one of them, there were over 11,000 on at one time. It's growing fast.

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#17
November 24, 2009 at 16:03:27
I'm a member of two Win 7 fourms, and the numbers are growing rapidly..

Did you write THIS, THIS and THIS?

i_Xp/Vista/W7User


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#18
November 24, 2009 at 22:59:54
"I'm a member of two Win 7 fourms, and the numbers are growing rapidly.."

Well hell; that should insure the success of Win7.

Right?

But most of all, I like...

"On Black Friday, Wal Mart will have a top line HP laptop for $298."

Jeez, WalMart doesn't have top of the line anything.

Skip


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#19
November 24, 2009 at 23:41:01
Lmao I'm sorry but I have to agree with Skip. Walmart and top of the line is an oxymoron like military intelligence. It just doesn't happen. That being said I have converted from XP Pro to Win 7 and I like it. I am not about to throw out my XP Home, XP Pro, or XP Media Center Disks though. Over the years I've read a lot about MS not allowing you to migrate an OS to a new machine but have not had a problem doing it.

I don't now nor will I ever get into the bench testing numbers. Although I am going to school to get a job in the computer industry I have found that bench numbers are almost useless to a at home user. So far I have been enjoying Win 7 but I know that is just due mainly to aesthetics ( it looks cool ). Is it faster or better than XP? I don't know. XP has been very reliable to me. I didn't like it when I jumped from 98SE but it was more stable at least from my stand point. I have seen my share of driver issues but have worked through most with Win 7.

The downfall I see to the branded systems selling now, actually for a while now is that they don't come with an OS disk Your lucky if you get any disk with it. I know it's not a big thing but it sure would have helped me with some of the problems people have brought me.


Likely

I want to go like my grandfather did. Peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming at the top of my lungs like the passengers in his car.

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#20
November 25, 2009 at 15:00:32
XP User, you must be following me around. Yes, those were my posts. And I did try Linux, because I wanted to upgrade without buying a new system. But it was too hard to comprehend for me. I fought buying a new system as long as I could. However, the prices kept coming down, HP sent me a promo email, and after three days of shopping online for the best buy, HP's offer had my name written on it. And I have no regrets about it. Regardless of any past posts that I made, I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. I do believe in having free software, but there must be professional support from a large corporation, not a bunch of hippies where the top dogs look like members of the Manson family. You can't get that for free. But I don't deny my posts, and at the time that was what I briefly stood for. And I'm satisfied with what I ended up with, and that's all that matters.

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#21
November 25, 2009 at 15:51:37
No. I wasn't following anyone around. I merely asked the my FRIEND if they knew you. They did and pointed me there.

i_Xp/Vista/W7User


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#22
November 25, 2009 at 18:11:55
"...not a bunch of hippies where the top dogs look like members of the Manson family."

Are you following me around catilley?

Skip


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#23
November 25, 2009 at 19:07:42
Hey, XP User, did you click onto my ebay site? If you did, you'll notice 40 transactions, 100% rating. I didn't know you could find someone like that. That's cool, having my own posts shown on Google. But listen, I'm not dogging XP, I still have it. I'm only showing that Win 7 is better. It has a long way to go to prove itself, but in time, it will. I mean, Win 7 is all that you hear about anymore. I hardly hear the word Vista anymore. And the quality of Wal Mart's products are improving over previous years. Did you see the article where the owners pointed their finger at Toys-or-Us and said YOU'RE NEXT? The family has more money than Bill Gates and Warren Buffet put together. That didn't come by coincidence. It came from aggressive marketing and listening to the customers. Sales was my former occupation until I became disabled at the age of 43. That's another reason that I feel that Win 7 will take off. They are aggressively pushing their product at the right price. $350 to $500 laptops were unheard of when XP came out. Whether they last as long or not remains to be seen. My Dell C640 (2003) is still kicking strong, as well as my Dell D610 (2005). Dell is not selling their laptops at those prices. But HP is a good brand, too. They must be, they are the #1 PC maker in the world.

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#24
November 26, 2009 at 14:29:49
"I mean, Win 7 is all that you hear about anymore."

So what?

In 1995, Win95 was "all you heard about anymore"
In 1998, Win98 was "all you heard about anymore"
In 2000, WinMe was "all you heard about anymore" (especially how borked it was).
In 2001, WinXP was "all you heard about anymore"
In 2006, Vista was "all you heard about anymore" (again, how borked it was).

"That's another reason that I feel that Win 7 will take off. They are aggressively pushing their product at the right price. $350 to $500 laptops were unheard of when XP came out. Whether they last as long or not remains to be seen.

Win7 will only succeed if businesses adopt it (the sole reason WinMe and Vista didn't). In spite of your enthusiasm, what the consumer thinks has far less to do with the success of an OS...


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#25
November 26, 2009 at 15:37:48
Let me add that in 1984 CP/M-86 was all the rage and Microsoft was fighting like hell for a chunk of the market.

Skip


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#26
November 26, 2009 at 16:40:29
ROTFLMAO

LOL :-)

T-R-A - I like to be a little more foreboding. Thus may I add this to your list:

In 2012 (after Win8 RTM), Win7 was "all you heard about anymore"

i_Xp/Vista/W7User


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#27
November 26, 2009 at 18:45:01
I agree with you that businesses has to adopt it. Many of them are still on XP. And that's fine, as Microsoft will support it until early 2014. There are even a few that are still on Win 2K, the support ends next year. And on the other hand, a small percentage has adopted Linux. They have at least one paid OS, Xandros, I think is the name. Linux has their foot firmly planted in the business world. But this Linux group is different than the ones I tried. The fact is, some corporations are turning to Linux. But that's not my cup of tea. In today's economy, it remains to be seen whether or not businesses will adopt to Windows 7, or to Linux, or simply stay where they are at until Microsoft no longer supports XP. The few that are on Win 2K Pro will have to make a decision soon. But there is plenty of surplus XP systems around for them to adopt to. There's a lot to consider and there's also no need for businesses to panic, as XP & Vista will be around for a while. I must admit that I jumped the gun too fast in stating that "Windows 7 is the best". There are millions or even billions more PC users than me. I was just overjoyed (and still am) with my system. But this one is one out of three for me, and am seeking answers to a problem with one of my others on another post here. You all have proved a point here, Windows 7 has a long way to go before it can be proclaimed the best OS of all time.

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#28
November 28, 2009 at 23:47:16
"...not a bunch of hippies where the top dogs look like members of the Manson family."

Just realized I need a hair cut.


Likely

I want to go like my grandfather did. Peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming at the top of my lungs like the passengers in his car.

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")


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#29
November 29, 2009 at 09:36:28
I wasn't putting down any Linux user, in fact I believe software should be free for everyone, to modify for their own use, to do anything you wish with it. However, Microsoft and Apple isn't going for that. And too, there's no professional support for most Linux versions (the home ones). And I want that support. But the choice is yours. Also, I've seen now where some Win 7 users are having problems and with each and every new OS, that's the way it will be. However, most of the problems are coming from those who are upgrading an existing system, and very few are coming from the ones who are buying new.

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#30
November 30, 2009 at 07:51:18
Ha Ha, I just got one of my semi annual haircuts, so I guess I don't qualify as a Hippie anymore. My two cents would be that, If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The way the marketing machine works these days, is to make you feel that if you don't have the latest and greatest you are suffering some sort of deficiency. I have used XP pro for many years and it has served me well. I am curious about Win 7, but not that much. I think our society has gone WAY off balance with electronics in general. Unless you have a business where you need to be in touch with your associates all the time, who needs 22,500 apps on a phone. I didn't mean to get off topic, but from an old hippie's point of view, some people need to become more independent thinkers. I'm just tired of the Herd mentality of our system today.

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#31
December 2, 2009 at 22:38:53
You are so right! I have it and i m more than pleased !

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#32
January 4, 2010 at 10:37:56
xp is the best especially 64 bit one
win7 should be called vista sp3 I work with pcs everyday and have to say its got too many silly errors and I got no time for microsoft win7 silly errors also laptop battery use time sucks on win 7 compare to xp

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#33
January 4, 2010 at 10:44:57
k3456789,

Are you glad you have expressed your opinion? Sad to say the days of M$ support for the tired and heavily bandaged windows XP is now numbered. Trust me ... It won't be long before you find yourself migrating to the better Windows platform.

i_Xp/Vista/W7User


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#34
January 4, 2010 at 21:33:10
It's about time someone agreed with me. Yes, I still have an XP/Win 2K laptop, but now I have two Windows 7 systems now, Home Premium (the new one) and Pro (on a Latitude D610) and it runs twice as fast as XP on a machine built for XP. XP is so bandaged up, how it will run until 2014, I don't know. Win 2K Pro runs better, except it's a real RAM hog. The people are migrating fast, too. Especially those Vista users. Vista will be dead before XP will.

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#35
January 5, 2010 at 07:41:43
I loved Windows XP and I would be happy to still use it if I had to.

Vista didn't impress me at all, even after a lot of optimization to get rid of the bugs I'd been running in to.

Windows 7 has impressed me so far, but it's early days. I think the real challenge will come when a larger number of users start to migrate.

RegistryonWindows.com


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#36
January 5, 2010 at 07:57:59
There are already a large number migrating, however for the most part, they are former Vista users. Most of the rest bought new. A lot of the XP users are hanging on to what they have, although many of their systems will run Windows 7, but won't have the Aero graphics.

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#37
January 29, 2010 at 23:56:16
Well, as the starter of this post, what did I tell you? Windows 7 took off like no other ever had. In fact, the preorders were more than all of Vista's sales. And what else did I tell you? That the forum would be flooded with people looking for help. Say it ain't so? There's hundreds, if not thousand posters looking for help. But not me, I did my homework well, and my system is running smooth as can be. When the next version of Windows comes out, mabye you'll believe me.

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#38
January 31, 2010 at 17:39:49
"But not me, I did my homework well, and my system is running smooth as can be."

Well, hooray! I wonder if that might be why many of us had no problems with DOS, Win9x, Me, 2000, XP, Vista...

How many Operating Systems do you have experience with? Several years experience; not a couple hours or so.

Skip


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#39
January 31, 2010 at 19:22:11
I've been using computers as part of my job since 1993, but my first personal OS was Win 2K Pro, then XP Pro from 2001 until Nov 2009, then Windows 7 in November (Home Premium), then a new laptop with Windows 7 Pro for Christmas. So I have 17 years of experience under my belt. And that's not counting the flop that I had with Linux. Go to Windows 7 forums (there are two), and lookup my screen name, catilley1092. I'm a VIP Member on the forum, and it was not easy to earn that title. It gets me how people think they can throw in a Win 7 disc, restart and hurry to hit F12 to boot off of the disc, and expect miracles to happen. It doesn't work that way. Back your drive up and a clean (or custom) install is the ONLY way to do it right. I've stayed up all night for no pay walking people through installs. But that doesn't matter to me. What matters is laying it all on the line for my fellow forum members. While it's true that there are plenty of these ancient OS's around (I have two, Win 2K Pro/XP Pro), the support for 32 bit OS's will end with XP's final day of support, in April 2014. Win 2K and below will be cut off before that. So I've been around the world a little, too, doing countless installs over the past 6 years. When Vista emerged, I was getting $50 a pop to install XP Pro (plus the OS price). That's why I never had Vista, people were paying to step backwards, so common since told me something was wrong. And everything isn't exactly peaches and cream with Windows 7. I had to reinstall my first Windows 7 PC to get the crap off of it. But I done it. And the one that I got for Christmas was actually a Vista overstock. I bought a Windows 7 Pro OS, formatted the entire disc, including the recovery partition, and still ended up spending less than buying a custom order Windows 7 Pro. I hope that with this message, you can see that I've been around, too.

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#40
January 31, 2010 at 19:32:08
I think Window 7 is best but it is best for latest configuration .means good memory and space in hard disk and latest processor.

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#41
January 31, 2010 at 21:02:38
By the time MS drops all of it's support for Windows XP in 2014, Windows 8 will be out by then. So I mean if you are still using Windows XP as your main OS and you are happy with it and don't feel the need to upgrade to another Windows OS for whatever the reason yet, then you still have another 4 years left to stick with Windows XP before MS drops the support hammer down on it, which is still a ways away.

Iron Sharpens Iron.


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#42
January 31, 2010 at 22:42:32
Cobra R, you're right. I have an XP Pro system myself. There's no requirement to upgrade from XP at this time. That's been a heavily covered topic on our forum, as some members are either dualbooting XP with Windows 7, or running XP in a VM, such as Windows XP Mode, or another form of a VM. And some, like me, has a laptop that still dual boots XP Pro/Win 2K. There is one issue being heavily considered by Microsoft, though. If you have IE6, you may wake one morning to find IE7 on your computer, for when the support for Win 2K ends in June, they are seriously considering dropping IE6. I still have IE6 on my XP Pro computer, but don't use it. I use Firefox 3.6. That may be the only issue that will affect XP users at that time. There's nothing wrong with XP, feel free to use it.

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#43
February 4, 2010 at 04:06:21
Hi, out there! I agree!

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