possible to recover/reload emails?

Asrock / Fatal1ty z97x killer
November 7, 2016 at 13:22:29
Specs: Windows 7, 16GB
Using a extension with Firefox,simple mail.

Basically I didn't configure it right and it has downloaded ALL my emails,which was good.
The bad part is it didn't leave copies on the server.

I would like to send all emails back to server before FF crashes andI lose tem all.
Within simple mail I was able to 'archive' them.

My webmail server is with godaddy,they can only reload last 14 days :/
Only option with godaddy interface I can find is Remote Email.
Manage Remote Email Accounts
You can download email messages from a remote POP3 or Gmail account to your Workspace Webmail account. When you add a remote account, you can specify what folder email messages are moved to, whether to check the account automatically and whether to apply spam and filtering rules to the account, and you can leave a copy of your messages on the account.

Haven't found a way to import the archive into gmail.
Not found a pop3 that I can import the archive into yet.

Thought about just 'forwarding' all emails back to the account but I need them as original senders.
Unless there is a way to dr the forwarded emails?

I run a small server so possibly could set up my own pop3 server if needed.

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#1
November 7, 2016 at 23:40:39
You must not use POP3 for your E-Mails, because POP3 will download all E-Mails from the POP3 account and delete them on the server.

You should use IMAP for that, because IMAP checks E-Mails directly on the server, reads them directly on the server and will not delete them, unless you delete them by yourself.


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#2
November 8, 2016 at 01:54:18
Not so... re' pop3

imap deletes from the server by default, as does pop3 - unless you change the default setting in the relevant accounts on the tablet, phone, computer.

Also with imap, if you delete a message off one device (whatever it is), it will be similarly deleted from all other devices, server included.

pop3 does not affect other devices. Delete a message on one devices and it remains on others - including the server.

Both will download all messages when first you create an account on a new device (computer, tabletc. etc.). And if you haven't set the device email account to "never" delete,from server, or to leave on server (different devices operating systems, and built-in email app/software define and access that option differenttly) then messages will be deleted by default once downloaded from the server.

So check all settings on the relevant account, device. Advanced settings in the account on the device is one such location. In MS Office/Outlook that setting is under the Advanced button on account details.

If there are messages one wishes to preserver regardless of pop3/imap... move them to a save folder in the account on the server.


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#3
November 8, 2016 at 04:26:51
Thanks for replies.

Can I get the emails back onto the server though?


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#4
November 8, 2016 at 06:08:14
If you deleted them the server for say hotmail/outlook.com or possibly yahoo then you can ask them to restore them from their backups.

I have done this successfully with one or other; can't recall just which just now; but it was successfully achieved.

So contact the appropriate email service and ask them for help - possibly they can and will oblige.

The only other way is for you to forward them to yourself... and note the date(s) you do this as that will show on the date received in the inbox on line...

Before you do that though, go through your email settings on your computer (if using an app - e.g. M$-Office/Outlook, Apple mail etc.) to access you mail and thus download to your computer/device.

Make certain you have set the option to "never delete from server"; remembering that all apps etc. default on installation/setup to delete from server.


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#5
November 8, 2016 at 09:35:27
I mentioned forwarding but I need the email as original sender so I can reply etc.
Unless I can alter forwarded mail to reflect this?


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#6
November 8, 2016 at 10:19:10
When you forward an email it ought to contain the sender's details in the forwarded message?

It does when I forward and email that is in my M$-Office/Outlook inbox...

And it would appear be so as well with say a hotmail message forwarded from the hotmail/outlook.com inbox...

Pick a message and test the process?


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#7
November 15, 2016 at 04:32:27
When forwarded back to the server it will show as coming from me.
I need it to show as coming from them.

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#8
November 15, 2016 at 05:32:56
mmm I don't think there's a way around that...; other than to include the original sender's details in the subject line...?

Otherwise, as previously suggested, contact your email service and see if they can/will restore to the online server?


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#9
November 15, 2016 at 19:57:06
I use Mozilla Thunderbird for my personal emails. There is an option to leave on server if that is what you do. Although forwarding them to yourself will result in reply not working correctly, the origin email address will still be listed in the body of the message so you can select Forward and copy/paste this address into the To field and you can then 'reply' to the original sender. Remember to select the leave on server option before resending them to yourself or they will come in and be deleted again from the server.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#10
November 16, 2016 at 04:21:05
As stated above, use IMAP, to manage it.
On IMAP account, you can drag & drop the E-Mails back to the server, untouched.

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#11
November 16, 2016 at 05:42:16
Can you explain how you do that (please)? As I don't see or follow how you can restore (by dragging) emails which have been downloaded and then automatically deleted from the server.

As best I now the only people who can restore deleted emails (if they're not still in the deleted folder on the server on your account when logged in to it) is the email service IT support...

If a deleted message is not in your deleted folder (on-line) then no way you can put it back into the inbox?

And to re-iterate my earlier response re' your pop3 statement: pop3 does not delete downloaded messages if you set the option to never delete from server (advanced settings for that account on the computer/device etc.). True the default is to delete once the message has been download; but it can be set to never.

IMAP will mirror any change you make on one device to all others which access that email account;. So that if you delete a message from one device - it also disappears from all others; and the online presence too. If you delete it via the online access then again it mirrors the deletion to all other devices...

One of the reasons why many still prefer pop3 is the greater choice of how to handle and save messages (on the server or wherever)... IMAP is much more restrictive in this regard.


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#12
November 16, 2016 at 09:54:21
First of all, you're right about the option for POP3, to not delete the emails.
But, when dealing with one personal e-mail account for one user, when deleting an email, it's quite okay, when the e-mail is deleted on every computer, accessing the email account.

Or do you prefer to delete the e-mails on every single computer, accessing the email account? I'm not.

So back to IMAP.
I assume, that the e-mails in question are still available on one single computer.
If so, you create a new account in your email client program, e.g. Thunderbird.
So now, you have 2 accounts in Thunderbird, one accessing the email account via POP3, which has currently all the emails, that have to be pushed back to the server and one, that accesses the same email account via IMAP.

So first of all, you have to configure the POP3 account in Thunderbird, to not pull emails from that email server via POP3.

The IMAP account in Thunderbird gets the default folder list of the server side imap account.

Now you can select all emails of the inbox and put them into the inbox folder of the imap account, that is still on the email server.

This can be done with all folders of the POP3 account, by drag and drop.

I've done that hundreds of times.
Works.


EDIT:

In addition, you can configure IMAP to store email also locally, but you can also configure it to access email only at the email server.

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#13
November 16, 2016 at 10:18:28
I guess the server needs to be accessible by imap?
I'll check and hope......

Thanks


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#14
November 16, 2016 at 10:51:22
Yes, that's a basic requirement.

Nowadays, most of the email server are accassible via imap.

Hope your server is too.


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#15
November 16, 2016 at 12:30:25
Hotmail (now Outlook.com) has been changed to IMAP - but one can set up a pop3 access. It's a bit of a fudge and isn't quite as was but they do allow a pop3 connection - at least from iPads/iPhones and even Mac desktops.

But when you set up the pop3 system - again check that you change the default setting (for incoming mail) to never delete from server..; rather than leaving it as set by default (which "will" delete from server)...


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#16
November 17, 2016 at 22:35:07
looks like my godaddy mail server is only pop3 :(

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#17
November 18, 2016 at 01:54:05
pop3 has its benefits... As I suggested earlier, check with your emails support and ask them to help restore your emails...

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November 18, 2016 at 06:27:46

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#19
November 18, 2016 at 10:01:21
Just remember that if you change a pop3 to IMAP, the default settings for the new IMAP account is to delete from the server as soon as a message is downloaded to wherever; unless you find a way to change and prevent that.

Many iMAP account users end up having a save folder for their account - the online access, and possibly on their computer too via which ever email app they're using.

Of course one has to remember to move the required message from the in-box to the saved folder... - otherwise...


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#20
November 18, 2016 at 17:13:01
don't have unlimited plan so no imap :(

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#21
November 18, 2016 at 20:05:49
TVLR emails in IMAP are SYNCHRONISED with the email clients.
Nothing is deleted in the server unless you delete it in one of the clients and even then it will be moved to the "Deleted Items" box which again is synchronised with all clients (PC, Phone, Tab, Notebook) . that is the whole purpose of IMAP. The client subscribes to one or more folders from the server and synchronise with those folders.

Some settings may change the behaviour but the above is the default behaviour. Check it out yourself; open an IMAP client and open the webmail of the server. There should be no difference.


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#22
November 19, 2016 at 02:16:50
@indigian

So conclusion is, without IMAP, you are not able, to move the emails back to the email server untouched, except, the email provider is able and willing , to restore your emails from a backup, they may have.


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#23
November 19, 2016 at 03:12:31
They could only restore from 2 weeks,which we did but was of no use :(

Only option I see id this....

Manage Remote Email Accounts
You can download email messages from a remote POP3 or Gmail account to your Workspace Webmail account. When you add a remote account, you can specify what folder email messages are moved to, whether to check the account automatically and whether to apply spam and filtering rules to the account, and you can leave a copy of your messages on the account.

If I can get the ones from simplemail or from the save that it has done.........
I can make my own pop3 server if needed.

cannot see a way to import into gmail or outlook.
only using outlook online so may be there's a way to import with outlook office......

I can activate imap or an exchange on godaddy but that costs :( so as a last resort I may have too.

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