Floppy disk I/o error

October 31, 2013 at 19:20:53
Specs: Windows 7, Intel g5 2ghz / 4gigs
Ever since I had a new msi p55a g55 motherboard, I have not been able to format my floppy disk. I could only read the disks but I cannot format or write to them due to an io device error.

When formatting a floppy disk, it takes more than 5 minutes to format one and it always ends in failure. The diskette sometimes becomes corrupt after that. I have tried with multiple diskettes and all of them gave me the same error. The drive can format a bit, then cannot read the entire disk, and then format a bit again. You will hear this rhythmic grinding and seeking noise instead of the smooth stepping noise when you format floppies.

I have tried with a 5.25 floppy drive and a 3.5 floppy drive with the same issues appearing. I have also tried switching floppy cables and this does not work either. When I looked into the controller, pins 4 ,5 and 6 are gone, but the original image of the motherboard at msi does also show pin 4,5 and 6 are suppose to be missing.

My bios setting was correct in diskette A as I set it to 1.2 or 1.44 reapectively. I have disabled hpet as well. My drives are connected to the end of the floppy cable. If anyone can help, I will be more than grateful. Thanks.


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#1
October 31, 2013 at 22:40:59
Pin 5 on my ASUS motherboard is removed, but all the others
are in place. I have a floppy drive installed, and use it.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#2
November 1, 2013 at 04:50:25
Those missing pins do not matter. What upsets me is this io error that keeps ruining my floppy drive. I do not know if it is the os, the drivers or is the floppy port broken. But thanks for the info.

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#3
November 1, 2013 at 05:20:00
I thought the two missing pins might account for the problem.
I don't know what function they are supposed to serve, if any.
Even if they are just grounding lines, they could affect the
signal reliability. If you are sure they don't matter, then you
can look for something else.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#4
November 1, 2013 at 06:23:22
The motherboard image shows that these pins are meant to be missing. I saw the pin out diagram. They say they are reserved pins or grounding pins. Thanks anyways

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#5
November 1, 2013 at 07:54:11
Probably a silly question but I assume you are using a signal cable with a twist at the end?

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#6
November 1, 2013 at 08:50:02
Yes. One cable with a single twist at the end. The end has 2 connectors. One pin and one card. There are 2 more at the front before the twist. One pin and one card. This cable can support 2 floppy drives and they can be 5.25 inch or 3.5 inch. Most new motherboards don't support double floppy drives so I placed one at the end of the cable, after the twist

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#7
November 1, 2013 at 16:24:46
Thinking further I doubt you would have got as far as you have without the twist in the cable. Not sure what it might prove but what happens if you format using a DOS Prompt?

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#8
November 1, 2013 at 17:09:27
That's a great idea! It will be interesting if formatting in
DOS works. What could the problem be in that case???

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#9
November 1, 2013 at 17:24:26
Jeff
I'm just trying to get a handle on this and see if anything changes the situation because I can't really see why the motherboard change itself could cause the drives to be visible and working yet not format.

Floppyzipjaz
To me it seems like a software issue. Maybe a driver is corrupted (from what I recall drivers for floppy drives are included in Windows). Have you tried sfc /scannow - see this:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...

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#10
November 1, 2013 at 17:51:14
My floppy works very well in Windows 7. If I remember right,
it is significantly faster than DOS. I don't understand how a
monsterously bloated operating system can be faster than
one that easily fits on a floppy, but it is. So formatting a disk
in DOS might work correctly but still take a few minutes.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#11
November 1, 2013 at 18:46:46
Jeff

"!If I remember right, it is significantly faster than DOS"
You are right, it's faster in Windows but I've long since forgotten the explanation.

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#12
November 1, 2013 at 20:18:21
No, command prompt formatting cause it to format for more than 5 minutes. Quick formatting does not work, but thanks anyways

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#13
November 1, 2013 at 20:50:10
I tried the sfc /scannow command and it said no errors. I tried saving a document to the floppy disk and still no luck. It gives me the same io error as before. Sometimes you see the document there, but when u open it up, it turns out to be blank.

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#14
November 1, 2013 at 20:56:37
Floppyzipjaz,

Derek meant for you to try using DOS, not the Windows 7
Command Prompt. Since you are using floppies, I expected
that you'd have DOS lying around somewhere -- on a floppy.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#15
November 1, 2013 at 21:06:29
Nope, I do not have dos, all my floppies I brought were blank floppies. Even then, I thought you cannot run dos if your hard drive is too big or something like that. My main aim is to use windows 7 to write files to floppy disk. And also to format and read floppy disk. The reading part works but the formatting and writing part does not. I wish to write my files onto floppy diskettes in windows 7. But I'll try Derek's idea. I'll find a DOS floppy somewhere and see if it can format. Thanks

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#16
November 2, 2013 at 04:40:46
Can someone tell me how to install ms dos without deleting my current windows 7 os. Thanks. Maybe I'll try testing the floppy drive on ms dos

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#17
November 2, 2013 at 05:27:51
Well, dos formatting does work so now I know it is not the motherboard or the floppy drive. Thanks, but now how do I repeat this success on windows 7? Will any hardware confluct with the floppy drive? Thanks to all who helped

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#18
November 2, 2013 at 07:30:35
hmm, installing dos on virtualbox also gives me the same io error. strange. I hope there is a solution to all of this problems

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#19
November 2, 2013 at 09:25:07
"Well, dos formatting does work"
Sorry, there could be some confusion between DOS on a floppy and Command Prompt. Just so that we are quite clear what worked, let us know exaclty what you did. I'm not sure whether it will do us any good but knowing exactly what does work might give us some better clue to all this.

There are two files involved with floppies. Look for file flpydisk.sys and sfloppy.sys in "C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers". Both should be version 6.1.7600.16385. There are other copies of both files hidden in the system (same version), for example in:
"C:\Windows\system32\DriverStore\File Repoisitory\flpydisk.inf_x86...etc".
You could copy them to the desktop then see if Windows will let you paste them over to "C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers", which could help if the ones there have become corrupted. You will probably need to be showing hidden files.

EDITS:
If you've already looked back, make sure you have picked up my latest edits in this response.

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#20
November 2, 2013 at 10:32:46
Let me see who still uses floppies......old embroidery machinery. Old vinyl cutters......
The trouble is the floppies are old too. I'm curious what you running off floppies?

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#21
November 2, 2013 at 11:49:15
HopperRox
Perhaps surprisingly I still used floppies at odd times until I moved to Win 8. As stage 4 backups for small but important things and for booting convenience on old operating systems. Flying against what everyone else says I found them quite reliable (far more so than CD-RW). I use USB HD, CD/DVD-R, and flash drives exclusively now but I guess if the poster wants to fix his floppy issue then that is what we should be trying to do.

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#22
November 2, 2013 at 12:03:04
HopperRox,

It sounds like he hasn't been running anything off of floppies,
he has been saving data on them. I'm curious to know why,
too, but I don't have any need to know, so there's no reason
for him to tell me, and I wasn't going to ask. I have a floppy
drive because I have hundreds of floppy disks that I hope
still contain readable data that I intend to transfer to more
permanent media as soon as I get a round tuit.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#23
November 3, 2013 at 01:09:24
I brought dos 6.22 and installed it on my computer. Surprisingly, it deleted my windows 7 installation and installed on my modern sata hard drive. I then proceeded to use dos to format the floppy, worked perfectly. I just wonder why windows 7 does not work

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#24
November 3, 2013 at 01:13:29
For those who want to know why I like to use floppies, it is just to store basic documents. It is a personal project I wanna try to bring back the a and b drives. I have both 5.25 and 3.5 inch floppy drives. It always fascinates how CDs, DVDs,blu ray, floppy, Zip disk and jaz disk save data. Plus, I now have old software that I find occasionally and I wanna try them too.

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#25
November 3, 2013 at 04:13:31
If it is the driver that is broken, how do you replace the drivers?

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#26
November 3, 2013 at 07:17:41
Did you check the files I mentioned in #19?

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#27
November 3, 2013 at 09:12:21
Not yet, give me some time, when I'm done with those files, I'll report back.

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#28
November 3, 2013 at 11:04:14
Sure, no rush - just wanted to be sure you had spotted the suggestion as it got a bit buried in the discussion about using floppies.

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#29
November 4, 2013 at 07:17:48
It's says I need administrator permission to do so, how do I get admin permission when I am admin

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#30
November 4, 2013 at 07:52:51
Not quite sure where you are when you get that message. Whatever, you right click and choose "Run as Administrator". If it is command prompt then create a shortcut to it and the shortcut will give you that option.

EDIT:
The shortcut target to Command Prompt is to cmd.exe

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#31
November 4, 2013 at 08:44:47
Ah yes the day where I was King because I had not 1 but 2, 5 1/4" inch floppies drives. Why I could load dos and run "wordstar" bing bang! Luckily I avoided the 7" floppies, laser disks, and beta vhs players.

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#32
November 4, 2013 at 20:38:12
Well, I ran cmd as admin to replace the floppy drivers, it didn't work. Flpydisk.sys refuse to be replaced and replacing sloppy doesn't seem to do any good either.

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#33
November 5, 2013 at 06:03:55
Flpydisk.sys could be replaced using a Live Linux CD. Whether it would fix your issue is another matter.

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#34
November 5, 2013 at 07:19:16
Live Linux cd? What is that? Sorry, I'm new to computers.

I have made a temporary solution to this floppy drive problem though. But this will be troublesome. I hope there will be a fix soon.

1. Install ms dos on a 2GB jaz disk
2. Copy the files I want to put on the floppy disk into the folder
3. Boot into the ms dos jaz disk
4. Copy the files onto the floppy diskette since ms dos appears to be the only os that can do it. Not even xp


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#35
November 5, 2013 at 09:07:03
A Live Linux CD runs Linux from a CD and works only between RAM and the CD. When you boot without the disk you are back to Windows. However it does allow you go into the HD and change whatever you wish in Windows areas. Not something I would suggest doing except in specific circumstances such as yours.

I use Puppy Linux 4.3.1 for this. It is old but has the advantage that it stores no data whatsoever on your HD. It is available here:
http://www.puppylinuxfaq.org/first-...

You start by downloading an image (iso) then use that to create a CD. Most CD burning software has a "burn an image" feature and there are plenty of small freebie programs out there which do so if you have no onboard facility.

Once you have produced the CD from the download you then pop it in the drive, power off then on again and it might or might not read it and give you temporary Linux. I say "might or might not" because in order to do so you might have to go into BIOS to set the boot order so that the CD is ahead of the HD. Otherwise it will see the HD first and boot you into normal Windows.

If you decide to go that way then you might need further assistance in moving through the HD file structure (Linux shows the "real" structure rather than the simplified version XP provides). It means you can move system files from one place to another so you could drag and drop flpydisk.sys from and to the locations previously given - without Windows preventing you. Better add that everything in Linux is "single click".

What I don't know is whether this will fix your issue. It was suggested simply because flpydisk.sys and sfloppy.sys are the only two floppy drivers I am aware of. If there is nothing wrong with the one you are currently using then clearly it won't help.

I have found a Live Linux CD a handy tool to have available as it can tell you if you have a Windows issue or something else. In your situation it would be interesting to see if Linux has any issues with your floppy drive.

Don't assume it is terribly difficult stuff. Detailed explanations just use a heck of a lot of words.

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#36
November 5, 2013 at 10:46:40
It was a bit difficult to get my floppy drive working under
Ubuntu Linux, so that might not be the next thing to try.
It does work fine, but it required slightly different setups
for different versions of the Linux kernal.

Derek wrote:

> Linux shows the "real" structure rather than the simplified
> version XP provides

I couldn't figure out how to send you a private mail (maybe
you have it turned off?) to ask about this. Could you describe
the differences you refer to? I've used Ubuntu to fiddle with
Windows 7 files, but I'm not sure which differences you mean.
Specifically, what does Windows show instead of the real
file structure?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#37
November 5, 2013 at 11:07:28
Jeff

I'd have to unearth my XP to give you a decent answer. A few things spring to mind tho. In the area of "Downloaded Program Files" things are a lot different to what is presented in Windows. Temporary Internet Files is another example. You could also assume by looking in Windows Explorer that everything somehow springs from My Documents. The true path to My Documents (via Documents and Settings..etc) doesn't exactly spring out at you, although it can be found. I haven't checked but suspect that the recycle bin is (understandably) simplified - the internal file structure being hidden. There are no hiiden or simplified folders or files when viewing in Linux.

Sorry - bit rusty on the rest but Linux shows things "exactly as is".

EDIT: My PM is up and running. I get inputs from time to time.

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#38
November 8, 2013 at 02:40:05
I have went to youtube to see this person use a 5.25 floppy disk drive in windows 7 and 8. I proceeded to ask him how he did that and if he could show me how to format the disk in windows 7 and 8. He told me that the drivers in windows 7 and 8 were never meant to be used to format those floppy disk and that I needed to use win 98 or dos to format and write to them. Is this true or have some of you done formatting of floppy disk in windows 7 and 8. Thanks for all the help

Derek:
I have been a little busy for a while, I'll try your idea as soon as possible. Thanks.


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#39
November 8, 2013 at 07:59:22
I've no Win 7 with floppy drives otherwise I'd do a bit of checking. No idea about 5.25 disks but 3.5 should format in Windows, see here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/...

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#40
November 8, 2013 at 12:46:34
I have lots of 5.25" floppies, but they are all for Commodore and
Apple II computers. I never had a 5.25" floppy drive for IBM PC.

Are you now able to format 3.5" floppies under Windows 7 ?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#41
November 12, 2013 at 22:38:12
Sorry for the late reply, I have been busy over the past few days and was unable to use my computer. I'll try again. As of now still no luck

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#42
November 15, 2013 at 21:35:27
Ok, the puppy Linux thing, it didn't work. It says its a read only file system error.
But thanks for all your help, it has really exposed me to computing and I have learnt a lot

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#43
November 16, 2013 at 07:41:39
"the puppy Linux thing, it didn't work"
If you mean you couldn't boot to Linux then I've no idea why. I have it running on several computers with different OS's.

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#44
November 16, 2013 at 08:04:23
I expect that he means he couldn't get the floppy drive to
work under Puppy Linux. As I said, there is a little bit of a
trick to it, which depends on the Linux kernal version. It has
been 2-3 years or more since I last set up my floppy drive
to work under Ubuntu Linux, so I'm not sure I can help.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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#45
November 16, 2013 at 10:55:59
I can boot into Linux and Linux functions perfectly. But when transferring the system files, it would not work saying its read only file system on my hard disk

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#46
November 16, 2013 at 13:12:50
That's odd, do the same files show as Read Only when viewed from Windows?

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#47
November 16, 2013 at 21:23:49
No, it says you need admin priveledges when transferring them. Both Linux and windows have no problem reading. The only problem comes from copying and pasting

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#48
November 17, 2013 at 06:04:54
> Floppyzipjaz
> I can boot into Linux and Linux functions perfectly. But when
> transferring the system files, it would not work saying its read
> only file system on my hard disk

> Derek
> do the same files show as Read Only when viewed from Windows?

> Floppyzipjaz
> No, it says you need admin priveledges when transferring them.
> Both Linux and windows have no problem reading. The only
> problem comes from copying and pasting

Which system files? Where are you copying them from and where
are you trying to paste them?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#49
November 17, 2013 at 13:25:23
Jeff

See my #19. We were trying to replace those two files as they appeared to be the only ones that were floppy disk drivers. There is no certainty that there is anything wrong with them but if it had proved easier it might have been worth trying.

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