Solved Reaction to discussion about Windows 9x & 3.x RAM limits.

May 7, 2020 at 16:40:22
Specs: Windows 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 9x, & ME., 1.5GHz/1GB.
Greetings,thanx 4 this interesting forum,i am OS collector,i planing use my old Dell Latitude C510 for oldest OSes,so i can let in it 1GB RAM for all OSes,9x & 3.x & with vcache limiting i will not have to pull out 1 module for none of OSes?
& what about HDD & partitions limits for particular 16bit & 32bit DOS-based Windows?

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#1
May 7, 2020 at 18:46:43
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MS-DOS can't inherently recognize anything more than 64 MB of RAM.

https://forum.winworldpc.com/discus...

It also won't handle anything larger than an 8GB drive or 2.1GB partitions.

https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/har...

You're bigger problem will likely be driver support. Dell shows nothing earlier than Win98 on the machines' page:

https://www.dell.com/support/home/e...

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#2
May 9, 2020 at 16:21:36
Well actually that depends on the dos version. Ms dos 7.0 and 7.1 can see much more ram and the latter also larger hard drives because of fat32.Ms dos 7.0 works "out of the box" with windows 3.1 an can dual boot wih 9.x . Dos 7.1 has to be patched to work with 3.1 but is unable to dual boot  if I remember correctly.

You would have to figure out which chips are present in the dell for graphics, sound an network adapter and try to find windows 3.1 drivers for each of them, if they exist.

To come back to your question, you don't have to take any modules out at all, only thing these old systems won't recognize 1 full gb  but there is no need for all that anyway.


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#3
May 17, 2020 at 08:58:08
Thank U very much 4 these answers.Am i understood right,DOS 7.0 can dual-boot Windows 3.x with Windows 9x sharing same partition?
I yet thinked about traditional multiboot using 1 OS per partition.
When my older laptops was functional(died by age),i had 2 partitions,in 1 was Windows 98 with DOS 7.1 & in other was Windows 3.1 with DOS 6.22,with PQ BootMagic as boot manager.
I would like to have more HDDs(buy more Dell Latitude's HDD racks to easy swap them),4 OSes on each HDD,i know the file systems needed for particular OSes,i know,a 16bit Windows will c max.4 FAT16 partitions,each r limited to 2GB,but will it boot from 2nd,3rd & 4th partition too?
Logically,it is dependent on DOS version,as Win16 is actualy not booting,DOS is,what is booting,so it is interesting,Windows 3.x can start on Windows 7.0(7.1?),i had it always on DOS 6.22,but what the benefit of DOS 7.0 over 6.22?
No1 of them cs FAT32,so limit on each is same(4x2GB FAT16),but running Windows 3.x on DOS 7.1 opens FAT32 to it,so partitions can be much larger & DOS 7.1 boots also from partitions,which begins farther,on my desktop it boots from 2nd partition,which begins @ 20GB distance from the beginning of the disk,true is,that DOS 7.1 there with Windows 98 thinks,it is 1st partition,as they cannot c the 1st partition,which is XP's NTFS,but they must c,where it beginning,so it would really allow larger partitions.
That about RAM i c solved,thank U,it is enough for me,i will not have to pull out any module for any Win16,recognition is not a problem,no 16bit app needs more RAM,Win16 can c,i just was afraid,it will refuse to start,like i heared about Win98,if it will start & will be stable,it is OK,(non) recognition is not a problem,i also plan to use old NT systems there,which can use full RAM & i really do not want to tuch the modules,as they r sensitive & soon there will be no replacement SDRAM modules.
I hope,with that mod of vcache i will also have no need to pull out a module,when i will run Win95/98.
About HDD:
So,Montana7,can U describe that hack of DOS 7.1 to run Windows 3.x?
& pls,can DOS 7.0 & older boot from 2nd/3rd/4th FAT16 partition or only from 1st or only from partition beginning(or also ending) in 1st 2GB of the disk?
With DOS 7.1+ the limits r the FAT32 standard & BIOS limits only?
& about BIOS limits,am i understand right,any bootable partition must be whole inside BIOS limit,so f.e.Dell Latitude C510 with firmware A16+ has HDD limit 128GB,so with larger HDD the last partition will almost end behind the limit,so the last partition will not be bootable & nothing older,than Win98 will also not c it,for newer OSes it can be a data partition,am i understood that right?
So particularly for Latitude C510 have i these options?:
•HDDs with only FAT16 capable OSes up to 8GB(4x2GB).
•HDDs with 4 OSes,all,or these in rear partitions FAT32/NTFS capable up to 128GB.
•HDDs with 3 OSes,all,or these in 2nd & 3rd or at least in 3rd partition FAT32/NTFS capable & at least the last OS(3rd partition) with own drivers(98+) to c the last data only partition,which exceeds BIOS limit,up to what size i can buy for IDE.
Is it OK?
Thank U for help with my non-profit project also considered to be showed in museums.

IT Museum under construction.

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#4
May 17, 2020 at 09:13:41
If you're wanting to use one laptop for multiple OS's, then the simplest solution would be either multi-booting or swapping (preferably identical) hard drives for each OS.

If you want to multi-boot, have a look at these:

https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.ph...

https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.ph...

https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewt...

Again driver support for older OS's will be sparse or non-existent. If you're OK with running Win3x/95 without sound, network or anything beyond 640x480x16 color (barring finding some workarounds), then proceed as above.

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#5
May 18, 2020 at 08:21:52

Thank U,Mr.Spock(i am Star Trek fan too),i will study these linx.
I am going to combine both,HDD swapping & multiboot,i also will let the original HDD with Windows 2000 untouched,i plan to buy some HDD caddys extra for other HDDs,so the original caddy & its HDD will stay together without any change,that has all drivers,the other is the collection of OSes for collecting purposes,sometimes maybe i will present it in museums on IT history exhibition,this laptop has MB-based switching/mirroring to external screen,so not dependent on drivers & 16 colors will be pretty authentic look back into PCs' & Windows' history,on my 1st machine ever i had B/W 8" screen,it was Siemens Nixdorf PCD3Nsx laptop & it's Windows 3.11 was my 1st OS,so as these systems will be a collection & exponates & satisfy my sentiment for 16bit era,i so miss,these will not be a production systems,as maybe it would be interesting to use a 16bit OS for browsing the internet,as 16bit viruses extincted & with the net full of 32 & 64bit WinNT & Unix targetting malware,a 16bit OS may be the safest way to browsing the internet in 64bit era,but i think i have not enough skills to set internet connection in a Win16,i had never internet then in that era & i even not missed,it was the age of floppies & so small games,even 2 fitted on 1 floppy & for then considered large files we had a miracle called ZIP drive on LPT & can U imagine,how many 16bit programs fitted to a 100MB floppy for ZIP?
I loved that all.
No internet,much less malware & no hack attacks,spyware not existed,cool.
& get a SW ment VISIT a friend physically,i miss that now...happy friends after i said,i have Cosmo for U-on a floppy...
& all cookies of 16bit era could be eaten.
That Latitude was my 1st laptop,I had internet on it.On Win2K.B2W:In 16bit era we had EGA games & only sound was PC speaker & no internet,SW traveled by train with it's human,who had to be aware of closing to much to the electric locomotive with floppies in bag...
I am not awaiting more from my 16bit collection,I already had in 16bit era.
So having no troubles with drivers or their non-existence,so I need only solve the storage(as U & Montana solved the RAM part of my case,thanx),I want real installations,till it is possible,these old OSs r limited to MBR disks & they r limited to 4 bootable partitions & there r more than 4 16bit versions of Windows,I even found 7 versions of Windows 1.x,6 versions of Windows 3.x,@least 4 versions of Windows 2.x,& as there is no such small HDDs available nowadays,I have an idea to install an IDE-CF adapter into 1 of the HDD caddies for Latitude C510 & install all the simple old Windows 16bit,which I hope,will swap very little or not with its maximum RAM,so not kill it's system CF even they will not know,they r on a CF,they will think,it is a small HDD from its era & feel home in it,as I remember,when I had Windows 3.1 as my 2nd OS(with 98) on my Toshiba Satellite 430CDT with 16MB RAM,it accessed HDD very seldom,none,when idle,so I hope,this is common for all 16bit Windows & thus they will not be a flash-killers.Please,fix me,if I am wrong.
I have from my dead camera these CF cards:
1x4GB,
2x256MB,
1x32MB(planned to replace HDD in my oldest machine,80286 Acer 915P desktop,which supports only HDDs up to 40MB & I have no replacement HDD for it,so I want to substitute it by this smallest CF card in IDE-CF adapter,there will be DOS only or with a Windows 1.x or that 2.x special for 80286).
The 3 larger CFs will be for Latitude C510 & I will buy some more for all few swapping OSs,please,advise me the border,where I should stop installing to CFs & continue my collection of OSs on regular HDDs,I think,it will be somewhere between Win95 & 98,as I remember 98 as constantly swapping OS even with a big RAM,I never had ME.
If I could disable swapping,also 98 & ME should go to CFs,if not,they must go to HDD to not kill the CF,am I right with this?
& where is the border for old NTs?
I never had NT 4.0,nor older,what is their swap behavior with 768MB RAM & possibility to disable swapping?
Dell Latitude C510's BIOS is smart with HW changes,if something is changed,it reports changes in HW @ startup,updates it & asks a confirmation,was the autodetection right or not.
Do U think,various storage sizes will cause critical problems or just such little prolong of startup after a boot-media replaced to update,what has BIOS registered for it?
Am I right,a CF connected trough adapter to IDE will be recognized as a HDD by BIOS & by DOS/old Windows?
R these adapters intended for such purposes,I need?
So for systems,which do not know,something like CF card exist to let them think,it is a HDD?
Or these adapters r only intended for embedded systems,which knows,they r running from CF?
Would be IDE-SD adapter better choice,than IDE-CF,if exist?
I am sorry for so much consulting my project,I must think it trough all ways,it is complicated project & I think,it has same value as f.e.a reconstructing of a steam locomotive,16bit systems r the same in IT world,like steam locomotives for railroad history(than 8bit systems r equivalent to horses pulling 1st rail cars),I try to say,I do it for historic purposes,to conserve & let visible & live something from the 16bit era & early 32bit era,so I plan later also include the OS/2 & that Latitude C510 cms perfect to be a museum's heart,as it is the oldest machine,to which spare parts t available,so it can be 'alive' for long time,for my older machines I have not cn spare parts nowhere,but for C510 no problem,many websites offers spare parts,so it is the perfect candidate to be turn to a time-machine.
Thanx for understanding and patience.


Live long & prosper.

IT Museum under construction.

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#6
May 18, 2020 at 11:26:41

Interesting-that multi-boot from a single partition,I did not know,it is possible,nor some Windows versions allow a custom name for Windows directory,I am not on such genius level to do something so unbelievable,like single-partition multi-boot except for the oldest 16bit versions,which has no registry,would it be possible to multi-boot more versions of 16bit Windows from 1 common partition?
May I custom name Windows folder during installation of Windows 1.x to 3.x to result in C: like this:

...
WINDOWS1.00 <DIR>
WINDOWS1.01 <DIR>
WINDOWS1.02 <DIR>
WINDOWS1.03 <DIR>
WINDOWS1.04 <DIR>
WINDOWS2.00 <DIR>
WINDOWS2.01 <DIR>
...
WINDOWS2.1 <DIR>
...
WINDOWS3.0 <DIR>
WINDOWS3.1 <DIR>
...
WINDOWS3.11 <DIR>
...


As these r no real OSes,just OS Environments,in fact DOS programs,it may be simpler,than that with real full OSs in 1 partition (Mr.Spock's last link) including NT systems,because in my example above there is in fact only 1 OS-DOS with something equivalent to folders with various versions of Norton Commander,I had ,but there is 1 difference:16bit Windows writes something to essential DOS system files,f.e.'WIN' command executed Windows 3.x regardless in which folder I was in DOS,so if I install each 16bit Windows to it's particular folder(as f.e.i did with various parts of my beloved DOS game Commander Keen:
CMD_KEEN.001 <DIR>
CMD_KEEN.002 <DIR>
CMD_KEEN.003 <DIR>
CMD_KEEN.004 <DIR>
CMD_KEEN.005 <DIR>
CMD_KEEN.006 <DIR>
CMD_KEEN.007 <DIR> ),& then I will enter folder with Windows16,I want to start & execute win.com ,will it execute that Windows from that folder or that last installed?
& the most relevant question:
Does 16bit Windows allow me to select another than default name for Windows folder during installation?
F.e.'C:\WINDOWS3.1' instead of 'C:\WINDOWS'?
If some Windows versions can share same partition without hard programming & hacking à la Stone-D,which is far over my skills,it cms less difficult for Win16s & they r my core of interest & I want them all,so if this could be possible,I could save some partitions,thus some HDDs/CFs,so is this possible?
If yes,please a guid.
If not,I am back @ my previous post.
Thanx.


Live long & prosper.

IT Museum under construction.

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#7
May 18, 2020 at 14:43:22
"Does 16bit Windows allow me to select another than default name for Windows folder during installation?"

First, 16-bit Windows is not in charge of the install. The underlying subsystem (whatever flavor of DOS) controls this. As long as you stay within the confines of the operating system (again, DOS), then that is fine. But I suggest you have an overview look at DOS (v6.0) first (and yes, there are "versions" above 6.22, but they aren't "official-release" versions:

https://archive.org/download/micros...

Also, it'd be absurd to install that many versions of Windows on one drive; some of them would want to make changes to the autoexec.bat/config.sys files of DOS which would make others of them unusable.

And FWIW, I don't go by "Mr. Spock"

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#8
May 19, 2020 at 09:34:36

Thank U,that is,i was afraid of,so U confirmed,this is impossible or unstable(& this is much simpler,than Stone-D's experiment-only 2 shared files),i understood,if i will try to start an earlier installed version by it's own Win.com from it's own folder,it will check the config.sys & found an another Windows' records,thus refuse to execute,so this is dissmissed & i am back @ post #5,except 1 question:
Could it be functional(these many Windows folders) in DOSBox?
About the real installations post#6 may be fully ignored & my questions in post#5 remain fully valid.
Yes,i had DOS 6.22 under all my 16bit Windows(3.1 & 3.11),i had really installed & used & DOS 7.1 & 7.10 under my 95 & 98 installs.
In meantime i studied some articles @ VOGONS.org ,i found,16bit OSes does not consume CF card's longevity faster than a camera & FAT16 is safe FS for them,FAT32 is considered harmful mainly if that CF is bootable,Windows 98 & ME was considered definitely flash-killers even with disabled swapping for example because of Recent folder,not clear about Windows 95 on FAT16 with disabled swapping,also not clear about oldest NTs on FAT16 with disabled swapping.
But DOS/Windows 16bit cms to be flash-friendly,but i also found in that article,many CFs insist identifying themselves as removable media even in IDE-CF adapter preventing many versions of Windows to install to them,but again not clear,is DOS(thus 16bit Windows on it) able to distinguish,what the CF says about its identity?
So now my most important question:
Will DOS refuse to install to a CF in place of HDD?
Sorry about Mr.Spock,i c,U has him as avatar,so i reacted to it hoping U r also a Trekkie.
Live long & prosper.
IT Museum under construction.

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#9
May 19, 2020 at 14:58:54
"Will DOS refuse to install to a CF in place of HDD?"

No, it wont refuse to. You just have to have the correct cards (many are finicky) and the adapter to do so. In fact, it's become common to replace old failing MFM/RLL/ESDI drives with CF cards in antiquated machines:

https://www.lo-tech.co.uk/wiki/XT-C...

Not trying to promote another forum, but you may also want to look at/register here (which deals a lot more with older equipment):

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/forum.php

And I'm T-R-A over there too. I just have more experience with 15+ year-old machines than newer stuff...

"Sorry about Mr.Spock..."
It's OK, and yes I am a trek fan, but not as much as I used to be....
At the time it seemed an appropriate avatar....

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."

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#10
May 21, 2020 at 07:11:30

Thank U for everything,T-R-A,mainly for link to Hardwaresecrets,where I found most of ,what I need for my project,but some of the values r not clearly distinguished,is it only partition or whole disk limit too & I also had triple-boot XP+98+95 & 95 could c the common partition about 50GB,so I assume,my 95 was C or D version & that limit 32GB is for version B & partitions was created by Partition Magic,just side note,not relevant for current phase of my project.
VOGONS has smarter search engine,than VCFed(& graphics) by the way,but by topics VCFed cms more preciously oriented to projects like my,museums,real HW preferred over VMs,I am positively surprised,how many persons feel same value for vintage SW & HW,I am glad,so many people takes history so seriously & so carefully & conserves as much historic HW & SW,as possible,I did not know,how common is this hobby & history preservation duty in 1,I was afraid,some historic SW may extinct,I am glad,so many people care to prevent any loses in HW & SW history.
Also amazing,someone cares for replacement parts for historic machines,including such CF adapters directly done for resolving non-existing of spare vintage HDDs even for XTs,I knew only about CF-IDE adapters made for industrial-embedded purposes,which some people also trying to use for old HDDs replacement & which r in HDD caddy,not in a slot with rear output,this ISA-CF adapter is very interesting & I will try to use it to fix my 80286 desktop,I found,it has its own BIOS,but not understood,is it only to fool the MB,it is a HDD primary master drive,or can the adapter's BIOS override the MB BIOS to accept larger CF,than it's HDD limit.Acer 915P's limit is 40 or maybe 44MB for HDD,I could not get so small disk & I must not write more,than about 40MB data,if I used larger replacement HDD,because then all drive became unusable & should be reformatted again,will this adapter shift this limit,or I must use only 32MB CFs for this machine?
It also never booted from HDD,i think,it was,because HDD exceeded MB's limit,i got it as a ruin with no HDD,i fixed it by non-original parts.
Back to Dell:
(i am asking only that,i could not found on forums,U suggested):
Can U advise me also the laptop IDE-CF adapter,U think,is best for booting DOS trough it?
Must i buy industrial CF cards made for embedded systems?
I will not be able to make these from my camera bootable?
What versions of DOS can boot also from 2nd,3rd & 4th partition respecting partition limits for particular versions,i got from hardwaresecrets?
Pls.also last accepted distance of partition beginning & end from the disk beginning to boot from it for particular DOS versions?
Both,Partition Magic & MiniTool Partition Wizard can create also FAT16 & FAT12 partitions,can i prepare partitions by it & than insert it to target machine,boot from A & use SYS command?
Where i should place my project on VCFed-to which section?

It involves both,HW & SW.
I am also more experienced in old machines,i fixed,reconstructed,&/or upgraded many Legacy machines myself,but if a machine is UEFI,i rather take it to a service shop,as it is too difficult to me(a person born in 16bit era).
& Windows 10 has permanently access denied to any of my HDDs,i 1ce tested it & never again.Windows 7 cms to be last user friendly Windows ever,but my homeland starts with DOS 6.22/Windows 3.1 & ends with XP & i am more interested & compatible with the previous subera,than with the next,so want to have all the 16bit Windows & if i found the older DOS versions,i want them install all too,but i have only DOS 6.22,nothing older,if i find a floppy image of older DOS versions,how to create a real floppy from such image.
It is not realistic to order real floppies,it is sure,they would meet a magnetic field on their way & arrive empty & it would be too expensive to pack them to a metal box,so how can i turn a floppy image to a real bootable floppy(i still have about 100 floppies,hope,some will work,but no way to populate them with old DOSes,which i need also for Windows 1.x & 2.x)?
About Star Trek i will try to write a private message to not piss off an Admin by an off-topic block.
Would Spock say "illogical" or "fascinating" to vintage computers restaurateurs & old SW/HW collectors?
Live long & prosper.
IT Museum under construction.

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#11
May 22, 2020 at 10:32:19

I am urged to select best answer,I hope these emails r automatic & it is understandable,I am still awaiting some answers,so I do not want to close the discussion.
Am I right,selecting best answer would close the discussion & make further posts impossible?
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#12
May 23, 2020 at 07:04:06
(2nd to last post):

"Can U advise me also the laptop IDE-CF adapter,U think,is best for booting DOS trough it?"

Haven't had any experience using laptops, so I don't know if such an adapter even exists (not saying that it doesn't)

"Must i buy industrial CF cards made for embedded systems?"

No, but industrial cards are a safer bet for success. Newer (cheaper) cards are pretty much hit & miss.

"I will not be able to make these from my camera bootable?"

Not if you're using DOS in any fashion, no.

"What versions of DOS can boot also from 2nd,3rd & 4th partition respecting partition limits for particular versions,i got from hardwaresecrets?"

Assuming you're not using some tool (such as Partition Magic---which has mixed reviews), if they're true MS-DOS, none of them. MS-DOS has to be the primary partition on the first bootable drive (C:). Other non-release versions (DOS 7.x, etc.) may be able to use another partition, but having never used them, I can't advise....

"Pls.also last accepted distance of partition beginning & end from the disk beginning to boot from it for particular DOS versions?"

See previous answer...

"Both,Partition Magic & MiniTool Partition Wizard can create also FAT16 & FAT12 partitions,can i prepare partitions by it & than insert it to target machine,boot from A & use SYS command?"

Again...can't advise since I've never used any of those tools in multi-boot systems.

"Where i should place my project on VCFed-to which section?"

Since your discussion is about multi-boot, I'd suggest "Vintage Computer Software" under the "Technical support" heading. You'll need to register first, and new users are "quarantined" for a few days before their post show up (questions reviewed to prevent spamming of the forum). A practice I wish Computing.net would use.

(last post):

"Am I right,selecting best answer would close the discussion & make further posts impossible?"

No, the discussion is still open even after a "best answer" is chosen...

Another piece of "unsolicited 2-cent advice"...nothing personal, but you need to be more clear in your communication over at VCF than you've been here. Don't know if English is your 1st language, but the crowd at VCF is a little less tolerant of run-on discussion and vagueness than the crew here.

Just sayin'

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#13
May 24, 2020 at 05:08:04
Thank U again.
I assuming,in case of these 2 questions:
will this adapter shift this limit,or I must use only 32MB CFs for this machine?
can i turn a floppy image to a real bootable floppy?

(both related to my 80286 desktop),U have not experiences with it?
So i will look for laptop CF-IDE adapters in online shops,but may U advise me a reliable vendor &/or a technology of adapter,if there r various technologies(i heard,some has no chips & some even it's own BIOS chip) & maybe is CF to IDE better,than SD to IDE in all ways?
I has read,some1 advises SD-IDE over CF-IDE,not sure,y,as it is more complicated.

These cards from my old camera r not new,they r made in 2004 or 2005,the newest is from 2008.
I prefer using partitioning tools,where i may chose most efficient layout & cluster sizes.
& i am sorry,i forgot to tell,i meant ALL PARTITIONS AS PRIMARY,I do not using extended/logical partitions,I creating all as primary to enable further possibility to make any partition bootable,so I asked to boot from 2nd,3rd & 4th PRIMARY partition,I know,very few OSes can boot from logical.

So I will hesitate about VCF,thank U for warning about intolerant admins there,so I also must thank U & Your fellow Admins here for unusual tolerance,even I never intently tried to disturb any forum,
f.e.,on WinWorld I asked for maximum HDD,RAM,partitions,etc for particular systems & I was banned for it & all my posts deleted & no explanation,what I violated?Maybe they just dislike women,as it cmc,there r no women on that forum,I registered again with gender-neutral nick & that was not banned,so on some forums maybe also they violates something(discrimination,misogyny,...),not only I & y everywhere my posts r cn as improper,maybe just because I am a woman with a hobby considered men-only,so I am uninvited alien element there & of course maybe my gender affects my writing-style,so my posts cannot be same style & r irritative because I am other than U & so my posts-style r other,I just guessing,y I am so h8ted on these forums.
From critics,like Yours,I know,I doing something wrong on forums,but I do not know,preciously,what,I am afraid,I am less compatible with these men-only forums,than Ext3 with DOS,or Unix with Windows or an Alien OS from an UFO with human devices...
Only,I can say to Your critics,I DO NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG INTENTLY,but I will never be able to preciously sync my feelings about what is right & what wrong to write,with Yours,nor any other Admins' ones.I am sorry for any inconveniences caused by my incompatibility with U & thus incompatibility of my posts.
About language,I will reply by private message,I like that,on English language forums persons can hide,where r they from & they may not shame for,they r from a 2nd class country,it creates a nice illusion of equality.

I will mark the best answer by the quantity of added informations,by the quality they r equal.

I love Vulcans for their Veganism & wisdom,not for lack of emotions.

Live long & prosper.
IT Museum under construction.

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#14
May 24, 2020 at 07:15:49
BUG REPORT:
The post editor(that editor for editing already posted messages,not the main editor for creating new post from scratch) crashed several times,when I pressed I button for Italics,it crashed always,I wanted to change already existing text to Italics by style button,
when I manually typed html values,it did not crashed,it occurs only,when the I button is pressed in posted message editor.
I hope,this report will help U & other users.
Live long & prosper.
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