How Can I Test My Win3.11 Internet Connection?

January 27, 2019 at 20:29:15
Specs: Win10 Win 3.1, Q9650
OK, so I've installed networking on my 3.11 install. Of course, no web sites show up. I specifically looked for non-secures sites, but nothing. So, I'm wondering if I'm connecting at all. How do I test whether or not I have an operable internet connection on 3.11? Like pinging, but I'm not sure how to do that.

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#1
January 27, 2019 at 20:49:18
Well, when I go into NetWatcher, I don't see any connections. So, it must be a configuration issue with the adapter or protocol. Does anyone know of a resource that would provide information on appropriate settings to use on Win 3.11?

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#2
January 28, 2019 at 00:03:26
There's quite a lot of information missing here. Let's assume that you have actually installed TCP/IP networking (which wasn't installed by default on either Windows 3.1 or 3.11).

1. What hardware are you using, in particular what network card?

2. What software are you using to look for sites? Presumably a web browser, but which one.

3. How have you configured your TCP/IP? DHCP or manually? If the latter, what values have you used for address, net mask, and default gateway?

The simplest tool to use for network testing is "ping". Just open a command prompt and type "ping" followed by the address to test. Start with the address of your computer, then your router, then try external addresses.


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#3
January 28, 2019 at 02:08:03
ijack is correct about the TCP/IP stack not being installed with WfWG. It wasn't a standard protocol in 1992/93 (and I'm assuming you're using WfWG since you mention a "disk 7" in your other post). You need to install it separately:

http://www.conradshome.com/win31/

(the file is TCP32B.EXE, about a third down on the page)

Another page that might help:

https://christianliebel.com/2016/06...

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."

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#4
January 28, 2019 at 21:39:52
OK, so I reinstalled everything and pings are successful.

I'm using VMware Workstation. I have two questions:
- Is there any guidance on what level to set RAM in VMware?
- Should I make changes to config.sys to better align DOS memory configuraiton with the amount of memory I choose in VMware?

I only seem to be able to successfully boot to Win3.11 when my memory setting is at 64mb or less. Otherwise, the blue Win3.11 flash screen stalls and I can't get into the desktop.

Right now DOS memory in config.sys is at its default setting. Config.sys shows the following:
DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH
FILES=30
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS
STACKS=9,256

MEM command shows the following:
Conventional 638k
Upper 0k
Reserved 0k
Extended 63,360k
Total 63,998k

Particulars:
Guest OS: WfWG 3.11 on MS-DOS 6.22
VMware Guest Settings: Memory = 64mb
Host OS: Win10
VMware: Workstation Pro 15
PC Hardware: Intel Kaby Lake with 32gb memory

Any advice would be most welcome. Thanks in advance.

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#5
January 29, 2019 at 02:32:20
You won't get DOS to work (and thus Win3.11 won't work, either) if you go beyond 64MB. Remember, you're dealing with an over-25-year-old OS with DOS and almost-30-year-old shell with WfWG. Such amount of RAM was unheard of and incredibly expensive in those days...

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#6
January 29, 2019 at 06:37:38
If I set RAM in Workstation to 256mb, DOS boots up fine, but only recognizes 64mb in mem. No issues. It's Win3.11 that locks up when using greater than 64mb. But according to Microsoft, Win3.31 is supposed to be able to handle up to 256mb of memory.

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#7
January 29, 2019 at 19:51:00
"It's Win3.11 that locks up when using greater than 64mb. But according to Microsoft, Win3.31 is supposed to be able to handle up to 256mb of memory."

From:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...

"The memory limit for Windows 3.1 has been reported as 512 MB. This limit, while technically correct, does need some qualification. This limit applies only to Windows running in standard mode. The limit for 386 enhanced mode is 256 MB. This number is a sum of both physical and virtual memory. The stated 512 MB limit of standard mode Windows is only theoretically possible and is not practical. In practice, the limit on standard mode Windows is the same as the 386 enhanced mode limit of 256 MB. This information does not apply to computers using a 80286 processor. This processor is physically limited to accessing only 16 MB."

That means that the sum of the physical memory and virtual (disk cache) can only be 256MB, not the physical memory alone.

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#8
January 30, 2019 at 00:10:37
That makes sense. Didn't notice when I read that somewhere that it was the combination of the two types of memory. I guess it would make sense to turn off disk caching, then, and just go with RAM.

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#9
February 4, 2019 at 19:44:07
OK, so I finally got my Win 3.11 OS up and running in VirtualBox with an internet connection. I can visit a few unsecured http sites on IE 5.0, but no secured https sites. I guess that is to be expected. Neither Outlook Express 5.0 nor Pegasus 3.1 (16-bit) will connect to Comcast. When I check for mail I get the message "Pop3: Connecting to mail.comcast.net" but it times out after 15 seconds with no error message. When I try to send an email I get the message "Connecting to smtp.comcast.net..." and then 15 seconds later I get the error message "Pegasus Mail has timed out while waiting for a response from the remote host". I've double and triple checked my settings in Network Configuration and they are all as they should be....that is, the same settings I use in Thunderbird and Outlook in Win95, Win7 and Win10. Are these email clients just too old to be communicate with modern server security protocols? Are there any email clients that will work on Win3.11?

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#10
February 5, 2019 at 09:03:04
"Are there any email clients that will work on Win3.11?"

That's going to depend on your ISP, and there's a good chance that even they don't know. There's little internet fun for Win3.1....most protocols left it along the side of the road bleeding and dead long ago.....

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