.Without something helpfull to say , go away

December 5, 2010 at 15:19:33
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It always amazes me how many people out there want to show you how smart they are, rather than being helpful.
Some of the replies I have read are just plain rude or snooty.
There are some of us that have had to make major changes in our lives because of the state of our economy. I was a project manager for one of the largest home builders in Florida. I have gone from 6 figures to 275.00 a week and now to nothing. I am not one to sit around and do nothing so I decided to re educate myself in the computer industry. I am 60 years old and starting at the beginning of something I have only proprietary knowledge of. I don't have the luxury of having a teacher or person that can help me understand some of the intricate nuances of the land of bits and bytes. Cisco networking is very challenging and there are times when you need a little clarification.
When a question is posted, assuming that someone is asking you to do their homework or that they don't read their books, is a real sorry attitude.
The biggest thrill I got out of my building carreer was taking a new homeowner thru their new home and showing them how it was built and how to use, protect and maintain it properly.
I wasn't there to belittle their lack of knowledge or show off how much I knew. Just break it down into simple definable statements that helped them help themselves.
This website is a wealth of knowledge that should be shared without judgement or smart assed comments.
Thank you in advance for those of you that continue to be as helpful as possible.
I am a firm believer in paying it forward

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#1
December 5, 2010 at 16:20:36
Curiosity demands it, so hands up.

What forums have problems with homework questions?
Programming forum representin'.

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#2
December 5, 2010 at 16:21:43
Let me start by saying I'm very sorry for your circumstances. I really do hope you get turned around and things work out for you and your family.

If you are going to participate here though, you going to have to get a little thicker skin. I've been here for years and it's a wonderful place to get all kinds of answers, not just for computing, but here in the lounge for general and way off topic subjects.

Many of us answer all kinds of questions, including some we know are homework questions.

What I would suggest is that if you have a real homework question, is that you say so. "I have a homework question. Something I can't/won't/will never, etc understand without outside help."

It's the people who think they are clever and try to "sneak' in such questions that bother us. Or at least me.

If someone who has a legitimate question were to say up front it was for class, I think there are very few people who NOT try to answer it.

I live in S. Florida and have just changed professions from a boat captain to a photographer at the age of 62. I am not a Cisco person, but if there is anything else I can lend a hand with, don't hesitate to ask.

As for the rude people here, many of us yell our heads off about them quite often, so you won't be alone there.

In the mean time, work around them. And if there is anything we can do for you as a forum, never hesitate to ask.

Larry

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#3
December 5, 2010 at 22:34:33
On ocassion we do get a few that it appears make a living from belittling others they do it so well. I just ignore them in general. I myself will toss in a smart assed answer now and again depending on the question and my mood.

If the question is something to the point of "My computer is running funny." I don't see a question just a statement with nothing really to go on so I must reply. "Well make sure it has both shoes on and on the right feet and that they are tied properly."

I am somewhat in the same boat as you. After more than twenty years as a sheet metal mechanic I am now in school to get a degree in Information Tech. so yeah I get the homework thing. Some of the questions though it appears the poster just wants someone to do it for them. Those I just ignor as well. If it is worded as to ask for help I'll try to help as much as I can.

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#4
December 6, 2010 at 08:15:50
I won't deny I often have a sharp tongue. I try VERY hard to keep it in check but I confess it can, and does, come out when I get confronted with stupidity or general assininity.

The following is a prime example of a homework question asked her in CN that nobody will help with

If you read that, I believe you'll understand why nobody offered help. It was a simple research question. I can almost guarantee it was covered in class by the instructor or the answer was in the text book. All it takes is the person doing the homework to do the necessary reading, take notes, and pay freaking attention in class, use gooogle if they can't find the answer any other way, and they won't have to ask for help with so simple a question.

I refuse to help on such questions and sometimes do reply in a smart-ass fashion. We're here to help people, not do their homework for them.........period, end of story.

I like helping. If I didn't, I wouldn't have been hanging out here in CN for over ten years doing so. But I won't provide answers to homework questions like that.

However, if you have a serious question, mr crashgordon I will help if I'm able. I have no cisco certifications, but I have experience working with cisco equipment. If you've exhausted all reasonable avenues of research (ie: google, Cisco's website, your notes, your text books, your instructor) I will do my best to either provide and answer (if I know it) or point you in the right direction if I can find that for you.

I won't answer simple questions that anybody can research. I sure as heck won't waste even one minute of my time researching it for them.

However, as I said above, in the case of a serious question, I've been known to blow a few hours off doing research because I know how frustrating Cisco's website can be. Sometimes I'm successful and can provide a link........sometimes not.

I am almost 50 myself and changed fields at age 30 and got into computers so I know what it's like. I have nothing but respect for anybody who's willing to do that.

If you have a cisco (or any networking related) problem and you're unable to find an answer, feel free to post it in the networking forum and I promise I will do my best to help you.

But if you try ask me something you can find out easily for yourself then I'm not likely to be very helpful.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#5
December 6, 2010 at 09:29:54
My hand is up.

The Office forum gets the occasional homework question, some of which look word for word like they were copied from an assignment.

We try not to answer them directly, but try to give the OP hints and techniques and request that they post what they've tried. We then suggest ways to tweak what didn't work for them, but rarely give them a direct answer.

We basically follow exactly what the OP said:

"Just break it down into simple definable statements that helped them help themselves"

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#6
December 6, 2010 at 10:01:50
re: "When a question is posted, assuming that someone is asking you to do their homework... is a real sorry attitude."

Is it OK if we assume that this post from the Office forum is a homework question?

Jamie wants to earn $500 in interest so she’ll have enough to buy a used car. She puts $2000 into an account that earns 5.3% interest. How long will she need to leave her money in the account to earn $500 in interest?
Solve it in Excel


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#7
December 6, 2010 at 10:04:13
crashgordon, you have a legitimate beef but there are lots of factors to consider.
1- the quality of the question or statement in a post
2- The ability level of the poster
3- The mood of the answering person at the time which was stated in one of the above posts
4- How the poster responds (or doesn't) There are many abandoned posts

Please remember, the class is only as good as it's teacher and also that many people that reply have absolutely no knowledge of what they are doing. They are only trying to mimic other peoples answers. There are a select few that are legitimate and actually have the knowledge to help people.
I think we are all guilty of being snooty at times, and luckily those times pass by us. Welcome to computing.net

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#8
December 6, 2010 at 19:13:01
I see crashgordon has a TOTAL of one thread they have participated in, this one. So evidently they either are talking about some other forum or they were registered as a different user.

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December 6, 2010 at 19:33:42

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#10
December 6, 2010 at 19:58:15
Even though he has only one post I think he has been trawling back and forth in the search for information regarding problems he is having in his learning process. Quite possibly in that trawl he has come across some replies as he says are just plain rude or snooty. but I thnk XpUser4Reals' reply in #7 is pretty fair comment.

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#11
December 7, 2010 at 07:37:57
Re: Homework questions
And sometimes, the cheaters are caught. (Response 3 is probably a troll, but I'd like to believe it's true.)

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#12
December 7, 2010 at 08:12:10
Maybe he ran across a few of jboy's responses? Here's a classic example:

http://www.computing.net/answers/do...

I miss that guy.


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#13
December 7, 2010 at 11:23:23
crashgordon,

I can relate....I was living in Orlando Florida and had a floor covering business.
We had (family business) contracts for the next two years with the State and County.Their broke so the contracts were canceled.....

I also refurbished computers on a voluntary basis for kids, through a corp called GFGCF,putting out about 70 to 100 computers a month.

Lost everything when all the contracts dried up and now I'm living in New Mexico,
working at a Veterans home. Talk about life changing...LOL!

I guess I am settling in as I sometimes get upset when driving to work as there might actually be one 1 car in front of me............OMG.....We live 70 miles from no where in a town call Truth or Consequences.

I enjoy reading the post but I find I no longer answer post that have been answered a hundred times before. If people used the search engine here they wouldn't have to wait for a reply. I also find my answers are becoming shorter. Many times just a link.

Well I wish you the best in taking on Cisco Networking.



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#14
December 7, 2010 at 11:53:58
Maybe he ran across a few of jboy's responses?

jboy was really annoying at the best of times, he may have been banned for his attitudes, we will probably never know ;-)

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#15
December 7, 2010 at 13:48:33
jboy may have had a bit of an attitude problem but he definitely knew his stuff. I PM'd Justin not long after his "disappearance" to see if he had been banned, but Justin said he had not. Seeing as how he has never returned, I can only guess that he either changed his screenname or moved on to another plane of existence.

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#16
December 7, 2010 at 15:21:42
"jboy may have had a bit of an attitude problem but he definitely knew his stuff".

A very true statement.

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