Windows Update Rant (again)

July 12, 2012 at 14:35:27
Specs: Windows XP
So, about 3 weeks back I buy a new system. My 7 year old single core just couldn't run anything made for dual core minimum. So I spec out some hardware and buy a new PC.

Last night about 9:30 pm I go to play a little Diablo 3 and when I hit the mouse to wake up the screen I see I have updates available. So I ran them. Windows downloaded and deployed them then announced the usual "you have to restart to finish installing updates" so I clicked the "restart" button.

My system reboots and gets to the "loading updates, do not power your system off screen" 30 minutes go buy with no change so I know something is wrong and do some checking on the web. I find info that says to roll back from this point to reboot, go into Safe Mode and run system restore. I try, it won't boot into safe mode.....or safe mode with networking. So I figure I'll try a repair and grab the Windows 7 Ultimate CD and pop it in. I reboot, begin the install process and when I get to the point it asks me if I want to repair I select it and press the "Next" button which leads me to the following error message:

"This version of System Recovery Options is not compatible with the version of Windows you are trying to repair. Try using a recovery disc that is compatible with this version of Windows"

This totally sucks and I'm stumped because it IS a genuine Windows 7 Ultimate CD.

So on impulse I reboot, tell it to boot normally and get to a screen that says the update failed, and windows is recovering. By now it's 10:15 pm so I figure I'll let it run and check in the morning and go watch some TV. 5:30 rolls around and I'm already sure it didn't fix itself but jiggle the mouse to see if the computer God's smiled at me over night.

Nope. Still the same "recovering" screen.

So now I'm thinking, full reinstall and I pop the CD in and boot to it. Then I get to the install screen, select it and click "Next" and I'm brought to a screen that shows both my Solid State drive, on which I have the OS installed, and my normal SATA IDE drive and I see the following message:

"Windows cannot be installed to this disk. The selected disk has an MBR parition table. On EFI systems, Windows can only be installed to GPT disks."

This in reference to my OS (solid state) drive.

I stopped there until I could figure out the where's and hows of the error message. It turns out Windows 7 is saying that because I have the OS installed on that drive so I'll be formatting, then installing this evening. Luckily I hadn't installed much beyond a couple games and Office on it..........but it's still a major PITA.

Since I don't know if there was something in this last round of updates that messed with the solid state drive (a distinct possibility) if the install goes good, the first thing I'll be doing is shutting updates off completeley and not bothering to do any until they make an SP.

Damn you Microsoft!!!!

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#1
July 12, 2012 at 15:45:36
They need an update for an update :). I have to use wireless broadband with T-Mobile at my house because there are no cables nearby. Of course, with a mobile broadband plan, I have limited data usage. That means no Windows Updates for my family.

You've been helped by a 14 year old.


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#2
July 12, 2012 at 19:11:59
Well, I won't be doing any again for a long time. I'll stick to waiting for the SP's to come out and even then, give it a month and do a fresh image of the computer before starting to update.

If you work somewhere you have access to highspeed you could download SP's and even the updates themselves (or at least, you used to be able to, I haven't tried that in quite some time) and put them on CD/DVD or a memory stick to take home.

As I type this on my old PC, I'm reinstalling the new one. The first thing I'm doing upon reinstall is killing the updates completely. The second, an image...

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#3
July 12, 2012 at 20:28:24
Another way is to check if there is 100 problems on Google with the KB number :).

You've been helped by a 14 year old.


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#4
July 13, 2012 at 07:26:35
Reinstall done with only a minor hiccup.

When I went to format the solid state drive it told me it couldn't. I ended up deleting the partition. When I attempted to create a new one on the drive, it actually made 3. The first, about 100 MB's, the second, around 240 MB's. The third one was the entire rest of the drive and is the one I installed to.

I actually deleted/created a couple times trying to figure out why it wouldn't allow me to make a single drive. It must be a new "feature" of Windows 7........lol

Anyhow, installed the OS, updated all drivers from the mobo disk, installed some of the software I'll be using on a regular basis, installed Diablo 3 and tested to ensure it's working properly this morning, it is! So after all that, I created the Recovery CD via Windows 7 and then imaged it onto my NAS.

In the future, when they release an SP for Windows 7 Ultimate, I'll not only wait a while, I'll do a fresh image of all drives about 10 seconds before running it..........LOL

I feel a whole lot less aggravated than I did 24 hours ago.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#5
July 13, 2012 at 08:48:02
It must be a new "feature" of Windows 7........lol

So thats why Microsoft charges so much for it :).

You've been helped by a 14 year old.


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#6
July 15, 2012 at 10:30:52
One of the extra partitions is created if you partition using the Windows 7 DVD. It is used by bitlocker. I think the other one is used for the boot logger.

Use a third party partitioning software from the hard drive manufacturer if you want to eliminate those partitions.


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#7
July 16, 2012 at 19:14:20
"Use a third party partitioning software from the hard drive manufacturer if you want to eliminate those partitions"

Exactly right. The HDD (or SDD in this case) should have been partitioned & formatted in advanced by using a 3rd party disc, NOT the Win7 DVD.

And I doubt the Windows Updates are/were your problem. I have 4 systems running Win7 & have installed every update that comes along, plus I manually run Win Update & cherry pick the optional updates. Never had a single problem. What are the specs of the system you bought? Is it an OEM or custom build?


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#8
July 17, 2012 at 08:09:18
I see no reason to bother killing those partitions. They're such a small fraction of that entire drive it's not worth my time and effort. The system is back up and running perfectly again and I'm a firm believer in "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

riider

I'm curious why you stresed "NOT the Win 7 DVD"? Is there a known issue/problem with running the install from the Win 7 disk? I know in days past I always used to copy the \i386 folder from the install CD's and onto my HDD so I could slipstream the latest SP and run the install from there, but I just didn't bother this time....I guess I'm getting lazy in my old age.........LOL

As for the system itself, it's a custom build. Normally I buy the parts, do the build and run the burn-in tests myself but I've been dealing with this computer company for over 7 years now (we buy servers from them at work and used to buy all our PC's from them too) and know and trust them to do it right and stand by what they build so it's all good. They did drop the Win 7 image on a single partition. I suspect that's why I got the "MBR as versus GPT" error message when I went to reinstall. Win 7 was likely looking for the 240 MB partition.

Even if that last windows update worked perfectly on every other PC in the world it definitely scewed up on my system. The PC was working perfectly, I ran the update, when it (windows update) told me to reboot to finish installing the updates I clicked the "reboot" button. It came back up and gave me the "installing updates, do not turn off PC" screen and then sat there for 30 to 45 min's. The HDD light didn't blink in all the time it sat there.

Given those fact, one has to infer that the update was the root cause of the issue. What else could it be? Even if it was a conflict between say an update and my solid state HDD (I suspect that's the issue) that caused the update to punk out like that, the issue still involves the update itself.

My research and reading leads me to believe that this happens from time-to-time on PC's for no apparent reason other than possibly gremlins in the system.......lol At least I read of several other cases wherein the person complaining said it just froze for no apparent reason. In a couple cases, they were able to get past the issue by restoring.......which didn't work for me......ergo my clean install.

Regardless, I won't be running any updates for some time to come.....likely not at all, I'll wait for an SP, do a fresh image before deploying and see what happens then.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#9
July 17, 2012 at 08:32:44
Curt R

The reason to wipe those partitions is that they use two the the allowed four primary partitions that are allowed under the partitioning rules. If you actually NEED the features those partitions provide then by all means keep them.

This may not affect all users but even so, primary partitions are preferable because you can work with them without affecting the other partitions.

Using the Windows 7 formatting process may cause you to create an extended partition with logical drives. Under that scenario you don't have the same flexibility.

I don't use auto update but use the notification and wait a few days to actually apply the updates. On rare occasions MS has released buggy updates and I don't' want to be affected by them.

I have never had a reason to remove a Windows update but I almost never use their optional updates because they are usually for things I don't need or for drivers which I don't want to get from MS.


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