Why are we not allowed to curse?

May 8, 2012 at 06:56:30
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This site and Tom's are owned by the same company and some of the people working here also works at Tom's so why only Tom's Hardware are allowed to curse? Users are allowed to say whatever they want there(Comments & Forum sections) here the word "MTF"(turn M upside down) isn't allowed.

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#1
May 8, 2012 at 07:53:20
kuwese

Why would you want to do that anyway?


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#2
May 8, 2012 at 08:14:07
I don't want to do it but i wanna know the reason.
It appear CN has tight rules than Tom's(more freedom there).

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#3
May 8, 2012 at 08:47:02
One great reason I am still hanging around here.
Now if we can just get rid of the " I.M. TXT ABV and the $#!+ filled ALL CAP POSTS" what a wonderful world it would be !!!!!!!

Keep the old stuff running


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#4
May 8, 2012 at 09:19:04
kuwese,

As you know, the communities of Tom's Hardware and Computing.Net are different. Computing.Net is more about questions and answers while Tom's Hardware is more about discussions. This is the reason there are policy differences.

Thanks,
Justin


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#5
May 8, 2012 at 09:19:47
LinuxOS2
Really? I am here because i want to help and learn.
The world will never ever be wonderful, good and bad will always exist it is up to u to choose.

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#6
May 8, 2012 at 09:42:35
Justin
I understand but Tom's forums is similar to CN(questions & answers) and part of CN forums is more about discussions(the lounge forum) i am i right?

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#7
May 8, 2012 at 11:04:35
kuwese,

Sure, you are right, and we did discuss removing the filters on the lounge. However, I decided, like OtheHill says, there is no need. People don't need to curse to get their point across, in my opinion.

Justin


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#8
May 8, 2012 at 11:52:49
If i were u i will clear all rules in the lounge forum(let the poster decide whether to curse or not), this is the only place where we allowed to talk about other things. I know that is not going to happen.
It is like giving someone a full loaded gun without the firing pin.

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#9
May 8, 2012 at 12:23:20
Although I've been known to cuss with the best of them, I have to agree that it's not necessary to use foul language to get out your message. It's often associated with a lower state of consciousness. We all know that's not true, but it's often perceived that way. I think it would drive people away if it were allowed. It's like a gentleman told me once, you can think it, but you just can't say it. I think a lot, LOL !!

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#10
May 8, 2012 at 13:02:30
Like grasshopper I can, and have, cussed with the best of them. However, as an adult, and a professional, I feel it prudent to speak without swearing and try my best to not do so. Especially at work.

I feel there is a time and a place for everything and this, being a techical forum, is not an appropriate time and place for swearing. To my way of thinking and appropriate time and place would be in your shop after smashing a finger with a hammer. But while having a professional conversation while here at CN, no.

Swearing offers little to an intelligent conversation and is the tool of a weak conversationalist. If you need to swear, you should really start reading more and improve your grammar, spelling and general knowledge of the language. With a good command of the language, swearing becomes superfluous.

Besides, we're here to disseminate information in as profoessional a manner as possible and it's not very professional to swear. It would also be counterproductive in passing along knowledge.

Swearing has no place anywhere else on this website and I don't think it is needed in this particular forum.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#11
May 8, 2012 at 22:15:27
People who rely on swearing in conversation have a very limited vocabulary. I am surprised that kuwese (who is a long time respected contributor) would suggest that path!

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#12
May 8, 2012 at 23:48:29
Being one of the most un-educated here I will stay clear of the whole vocabulary discussion. I am sorry to admit that I have been reduced to vulgarity on more than one occasion myself (the drunken sailor comes out often). Just my opinion though if your cursing at me I am not taking you seriously. That stays in my mind whenever posting or replying in any of these forums allowed or not. I also have a tendency to ignore this grammar that many want to call text speak. An occasional lol or something to that effect I can live with but things like W8 4 me are not worth my time.

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#13
May 9, 2012 at 01:04:21
Ewen
I am not suggesting cursing, all i want is less rules in Lounge forum so we can talk whatever we want or feel. And these are the same people who allows more freedom at Tom's(forums, news, reviews) and less freedom here without any good explanation.

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#14
May 9, 2012 at 01:57:41
How does a ban on swearing stop you talking about whatever you want to or feel? It may limit the manner of your conversation to a more civilized tone but I can't think why it affects the content. And that applies to The Lounge just as much as to the technical content.

If you want to swear at people, or think it clever to type obscenities, there are plenty of forums that will let you do so. It's nice to find at least one technical forum that encourages the use of good manners. For goodness sake, don't change it. It's kinda nice to have a forum that you wouldn't mind your kids participating in.


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#15
May 9, 2012 at 11:37:17
ijack
Have i ever been rude to you?

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#16
May 9, 2012 at 13:55:59
Strange question.

No, you have never been rude to me. But if you started swearing, or using obscenities, during an online conversation with me I would probably change that answer. I don't see the need for profane language in this forum.


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#17
May 9, 2012 at 15:48:45
Hey all,

Before people start arguing about it... I think the general consensus agrees with me. We aren't going to allow it. Even if the general consensus didn't agree with me, I still doubt I'd allow it. There's just too many potential downsides with very little benefit.

Justin


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#18
May 9, 2012 at 20:29:08
Actually Kuwese ("less freedom here without any good explanation.") Justin has provided a good explanation.

Regards.


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#19
May 10, 2012 at 03:59:56
Kuwese,

I am shocked that a young Tanzanian mission lad such as yourself should even be aware of the existence of profane language.

Ten Hail Marys from you please.

Am now off to the church on my knees to pray for your forgiveness!

Regards - Mike :-)


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#20
May 10, 2012 at 06:34:42
Mike
We are still living in a mad world.
Where i live it is hard to protect a child from hearing bad words(cursing in loudspeaker).

I started cursing when i was 13-14 years old but i don't curse when i am angry or upset, i only curse when something BIG or CRAZY happen.

I know this pastor who use the word ASS infront of his people and he can make them repeat, i have seen him doing live on TV.

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#21
May 10, 2012 at 07:44:09
Actually, the word ass has a couple meanings that don't pertain to a human beings behind.

As per dictionary.com:

ass

ass1    /æs/ Show Spelled[as] Show IPA
noun
1. a long-eared, slow, patient, sure-footed domesticated mammal, Equus asinus, related to the horse, used chiefly as a beast of burden.
2. any wild species of the genus Equus, as the onager.
3. a stupid, foolish, or stubborn person.

If I'm not mistaken, there are more than just a couple references to "ass" in the Bible. Most, if not all, would refer to #1

Personally, I don't consider "ass" a swear word.....even if someone says I'm a 'horses ass'. But add the word hole to the end of it and it does indeed become one.

I bet your Pastor doesn't add 'hole' to it ever..........lol

It puts me in mind of the word "bitch" which also is not really a swear word. Or at least didn't begin life as one. As everybody knows, a bitch is a female dog in heat. If I call someone a bitch, I'm not actually swearing although it goes without saying I am being insulting.

Yet, calling someone the son of the aformentioned female dog, is a swear. Go figure.

All I know is, in prime time TV here in Canada you can use both words (ass/bitch) freely on TV these days and you couldn't when I was a kid.

This just goes to show how the morals have changed in time. I just watched a show last night about the midieval days and seeing a womans ankle was a big "no no" in the eyes of the church and thats why they (the church) disapproved of the waltz when it was first created. The twirling caused womens dresses to rise up enough to show ankle or *gasp* some calf. OMG, the infamy!

This of course was before the days where the church was separated from government. I'm so grateful I don't live in those days where the church ruled all facets of life and anything even remotely fun was a sin.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#22
May 10, 2012 at 09:28:36
Hi Curt
He is not my pastor(i got no pastor).
The word Ass in Swahili means Human being behind and u can't say it loud. We consider ass as a curse word.

This pastor knows it is a curse word and when he convince people to say it loud, he also says we are not in heaven so say it.

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#23
May 10, 2012 at 12:03:18
That's interesting. I wonder if the word "ass" in English came to also mean a person's behind thanks to Swahili?

I'm not sure it says anywhere in the Bible that swearing is a sin. I know taking the Lord's name in vain is most certainly a sin....but saying "ass", I don't think is a sin........even if you're using it to reference someones behind.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#24
May 10, 2012 at 17:14:44
The English word for behind or buttocks is "arse". It is considered to be a swear word in some quarters such as in "I kicked his arse" but as Curt R suggests when you ad "hole" to the end of it it adopts a whole new meaning and becomes swearing. The word "ass" is in fact a reference to a mule or asinine creature and it is also the American way of pronouncing arse.

Having said all that I hope I have satisfied kuwese's desire for bad language!


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#25
May 11, 2012 at 03:26:48
I think you are all using this thread to sneak in bad words, and should have your mouths washed out with soap!

None of you will be going to heaven. :-)

Have a nice weekend.

Regards - Mike


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#26
May 12, 2012 at 22:42:00
Hey now Mike, I did not once bitch about anyones ass or threaten to kick someone in their arse. Nor did I attempt to ride an ass to any hole.


Thankfully I guess I also have not been stoned off my ass in many years.
Likely


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#27
May 13, 2012 at 02:50:44
Off with your head, Likely!

Regards - Mike


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#28
May 15, 2012 at 05:41:17
What's Wrong With Swearing?

Swearing Imposes a Personal Penalty

It gives a bad impression
It makes you unpleasant to be with
It endangers your relationships
It's a tool for whiners and complainers
It reduces respect people have for you
It shows you don't have control
It's a sign of a bad attitude
It discloses a lack of character
It's immature
It reflects ignorance
It sets a bad example

Swearing is Bad for Society

It contributes to the decline of civility
It represents the dumbing down of America
It offends more people than you think
It makes others uncomfortable
It is disrespectful of others
It turns discussions into arguments
It can be a sign of hostility
It can lead to violence

Swearing corrupts the English language
It's abrasive, lazy language
It doesn't communicate clearly
It neglects more meaningful words
It lacks imagination
It has lost its effectiveness

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#29
May 15, 2012 at 23:53:16
I wish I'd posted that! I've copied it for our notice board. Thanks LinuxOS2

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#30
May 16, 2012 at 01:43:39
I think I resemble most of what LinuxOS2 posted. I don't think I have ever felt any lower. My god am I the cause of the breakdown of society?

Ahhh who gives a (blank).

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#31
May 16, 2012 at 02:15:33
I agree with likely, those words were inveted or created for a reason.

Ewen, LinuxOS2
Have u seen soldiers in action especially when they are under-fire?

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#32
May 17, 2012 at 23:24:02
i think:
It reflects ignorance.
It has lost its effectiveness

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#33
May 21, 2012 at 22:53:47
Kuwese you are speaking of different circumstances entirely and they are hardly relevant to this discussion.

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#34
May 22, 2012 at 08:06:27
This thing is still going?

Right off the bat, I'm going to have to take exception to LinuxOS2's post, so let's do that. The whole "Personal Penalty" bit is just LinuxOS2's personal opinion of those who use profanity, and if profanity lowers his personal opinion of someone, then that's fine. My personal opinion can be lowered by someone taking such offense to a word.

It represents the dumbing down of America
Censorship and bigotry represent the narrowing of ideas and the dumbing down of a population. Globally, assuming everyone who visits an international website is American represents "dumb America."

It offends more people than you think
It offends you. Stop trying to speak for me.

It makes others uncomfortable
It makes you uncomfortable. Stop trying to speak for me.

It is disrespectful of others
Only if it's directed at others.

It turns discussions into arguments
A conflict in ideas and an unwillingness to expand beyond conflicting prejudices cause arguments.

It can be a sign of hostility
It can lead to violence

Anger and hostility lead to violence. Profanity is a non-violent expressions of that anger.

Swearing corrupts the English language
Languages are growing, dynamic beasts, and are the product of our environments and our minds. They can be corrupted no more than the culture that embraces that language. Besides, textese will "corrupt" our language far worse.

It's abrasive, lazy language
Perhaps that's the point.

It doesn't communicate clearly
It communicates anger and frustration clearly.

It neglects more meaningful words
What? You're honestly arguing an expanded vocabulary precludes proper diction? While I don't deny some might use these words incorrectly, to suggest these words are never the correct choice is just as incorrect.

It lacks imagination
Have you ever listened to the comedian George Carlin? The man was extremely creative and he swore like a sailor.

It has lost its effectiveness
Not if we're judging by your post.


So on to the topic at hand. Why don't we curse?
Because cursing is rude, and we're all classy mother--

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#35
May 22, 2012 at 23:19:41
Razor you usually produce a good argument but unhappily this one is a bit like the people who say of a TV programme "if you don't like it don't watch it". You are really denying someone their point of view and they are entitled to voice it.


It offends more people than you think
It offends you. Stop trying to speak for me.
He is not speaking for you but rather for the folk who do find bad language offensive.

It makes others uncomfortable
It makes you uncomfortable. Stop trying to speak for me.
Once again he is not speaking for you but rather for the folk who do find bad language offensive.

It is disrespectful of others
Only if it's directed at others.
Any group of people constitute "others" and even if the language is directed at one person only there are those in the group who may be offended and they are entitled to be. How they handle the situation is up to them.

It turns discussions into arguments
A conflict in ideas and an unwillingness to expand beyond conflicting prejudices cause arguments.
I'll agree with you on this point but if bad language is involved it can only exacerbate the argument.

It can be a sign of hostility
It can lead to violence
Anger and hostility lead to violence. Profanity is a non-violent expressions of that anger.
You try telling a drunk in the pub to eff off and then gauge his reaction!

Swearing corrupts the English language
Languages are growing, dynamic beasts, and are the product of our environments and our minds. They can be corrupted no more than the culture that embraces that language. Besides, textese will "corrupt" our language far worse.
Granted... profanity has been in the English language for centuries and I have no doubt that the language will evolve, but swearing does not improve it any.

It's abrasive, lazy language
Perhaps that's the point.
I think you lose on this point!

It doesn't communicate clearly
It communicates anger and frustration clearly.
This doesn't quite gel with your previous statement "Profanity is a non-violent expressions of that anger.

It has lost its effectiveness
Not if we're judging by your post.
The post was excellent... now punctuate it the same post with screeds of bad language and the see how many people read it and judge it by the now included bad language. I for one would not progress beyond the first line. You should bear in mind that there is a time and place for bad language and if a comedian chooses to use it then it is being used in a context which people expect and they will join in and laugh or they will disregard the programme altogether and that is their choice. There is no room for bad language on this forum.


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#36
May 23, 2012 at 14:59:11
You are really denying someone their point of view and they are entitled to voice it.
If it was just him expressing his viewpoint I wouldn't mind. You'll notice I didn't touch his "Personal Penalty" section because it was about his personal opinions. I only step in when he starts talking about how, "[s]wearing is [b]ad for [s]ociety," and escalates to, "[s]wearing corrupts the English language." He's overreaching, "I don't like swearing, therefore it's bad for everyone the very concept of language itself." The problem I have with this isn't that he finds swearing distasteful, nor that swearing isn't allowed, but that he states his opinions as facts and argues his position so poorly it actually does it a disservice.

He is not speaking for you but rather for the folk who do find bad language offensive.
Notice how I don't argue the validity of his point, merely his supposed reach. Just to reiterate, one cannot speak for "the good of society" and expect to get away scot-free. Especially not when the opponent is a member of the very society he's attempting to voice. If LinuxOS2 had bolstered this point with anything resembling a fact, I probably would have let it slide.

Any group of people constitute "others" and even if the language is directed at one person only there are those in the group who may be offended and they are entitled to be. How they handle the situation is up to them.
Disrespect and offense are two separate concepts. Ignoring you would be disrespectful; telling you dead baby jokes would be offensive. (I picked these examples because they're mutually exclusive. I'm crafty.)

I'll agree with you on this point but if bad language is involved it can only exacerbate the argument.
Then you're treating the symptom, and not the cause. Banning a few words isn't going to deescalate the situation, nor is it going to ban the negative emotions.

You try telling a drunk in the pub to eff off and then gauge his reaction!
Oh, there are many things I could do to express my anger in that situation. Most of them don't require words at all. (Pretty much all of them come with jail time, and these days a hospital visit.)

Granted... profanity has been in the English language for centuries and I have no doubt that the language will evolve, but swearing does not improve it any.
Okay. My argument is that it doesn't "corrupt" the language.

I think you lose on this point!
Without profanity, how does one come across as angry and abrasive? (This is an honest question.)

This doesn't quite gel with your previous statement "Profanity is a non-violent expressions of that anger.
Anger and violence are two separate concepts. I am upset with you, so I hurl a slew of insults at you and imply incestuous relations between you, your mother, a goat, and 87 honey bees all named Tom. No one is touched, and excluding my (and ideally your) feelings, nothing is harmed. That is anger without violence.
I notice you got a real nice new plasma TV, so I hit you over the head and take it. That is violence without anger. And a sign of psychopathy.

punctuate it the same post with screeds of bad language and the see how many people read it and judge it by the now included bad language.
But why would I do that? How would randomly sprinkling random profanity be any different than using txtese? Or forgoing capitalization and punctuation? Or any other abuse of language I rally against? (I do not rally against sentence fragments.)

There is no room for bad language on this forum.
I never said there was?

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#37
May 23, 2012 at 21:21:51
Wow! You pose a very credible argument and I think we could sink into a morass of whys and wherefores and it is doubtful that either of us will achieve anything which satisfies us completely. I'll concede that to reply here would achieve nothing and were we seeing each other over a table the argument might conceivably resolve it self with one or both of us resorting to bad language and possibly blows to illustrate our point of view.

Regards (and I enjoyed our effing argument)(tongue in cheek)


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#38
May 31, 2012 at 00:35:53
I would say "Wow what a bitch." but I am not allowed to cuss here.

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