Who can I ask?

June 29, 2019 at 10:40:06
Specs: several
I'm having a terrible time trying to answer this question
which has nothing at all to do with computers or the like.

Who can I ask? Where can I go?

I'm editing a book that my neighbor wrote, about the year
he spent teaching in France and touring Europe in 1956-1957.
Part of my job is to make a map of his travels. He tells me
that his return trip on the M.S. Johan van Oldenbarnevelt from
Rotterdam to New York City took a route east of Great Britain
and north of Scotland before heading west to America. I find
that surprising and hard to believe. A great circle path from
Rotterdam to NYC passes through the middle of England, Ireland,
Newfoundland, and Nova Scotia. Going north of Great Britain
appears to be a couple of hundred miles longer than a route
through the English Channel. Unless currents or traffic in
the Channel were really terrible, I would think it would make
more sense to use the Channel.

The ship was scheduled to depart Rotterdam at 4 PM, August 22,
1957, and arrive in NYC on September 4, spending 13 days at sea.
My friend sent a postcard from New York dated September 3, so
the ship may have arrived in NYC ahead of schedule. He doesn't
remember the ship stopping anywhere, but can't rule that out.

Is a route north of Scotland likely? If so, would it have gone
north or south of the Orkney Islands?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#1
June 29, 2019 at 12:47:06
You should probably talk to someone with maritime interests,
that being said here are a few to site to begin your voyage:

New-York Historical Society:
https://www.nyhistory.org/

Should be able to confirm the date the ship arrived in New York and may
have additional details from historical newspapers or logs.
.
American Merchant Marine Museum:
http://www.artcom.com/Museums/nv/af...

May be able to advise on what would have been the most likely route a passenger ship in 1957 would have used.

https://ssmaritime.com/jvoch1a.htm

This last one is a short history with pictures of the MS Johan van Oldenbarnevelt.
You may be able to contact the author who may have more info.

Also doing a Google search on the full ships name you will get several hits, everything from a YouTube video to a page of postcards of the ship.

MIKE

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#2
June 29, 2019 at 13:10:18
Here is the Wiki page for the ship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMS_...

Note the name change. Was sold to the Greeks in the 1960's

Here are some another maritime museums that may offer additional details

Maritime Museum Rotterdam
https://www.maritiemmuseum.nl/en

The National Maritime Museum in Amsterdam
https://www.hetscheepvaartmuseum.com/

MIKE

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#3
June 29, 2019 at 14:06:41
Ship time table from 1954

http://www.timetableimages.com/mari...

This shows the Johan van Oldenbarnevelt going to Quebec, but note the routes
of the other ships, if they were going to New York they all stopped in Halifax.

Someone at this site may have mor info.

MIKE

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#4
June 29, 2019 at 14:47:48
Thanks, Mike!

> a short history

Not all that short. I found that site a day or two ago and spent several
hours reading. The chronology of the ship is 11 pages long. There is
a page for the time period 1946-1959, but the last event it actually
mentions in that period was in 1952, and it didn't give me any clues
about the route it might have taken to NYC. Up to that time it sailed
principally to Indonesia.

However, now I see that there is also a story about a trip the ship took
to Halifax in early 1957, written by someone who came across when he
was 12 years old. That could be informative....

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#5
June 29, 2019 at 14:49:49
Wow! Lots more info in the time it took me to post. Thanks!

-- Jeff, still in Minneapolis


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#6
July 1, 2019 at 06:34:32
found some pretty good pictures:
https://www.passagierslijsten1945-1...

should be easy for me to find the journey as all the websites are in dutch, which ofcourse i am.
toh no luck so far on finding ajourney from rotterdam to new york in 1956-57...

bonus video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0k...

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#7
July 1, 2019 at 07:06:17
and a load of information on the site named after the company who owned the MS Johan van Oldenbarnevelt

N.V. (Naamloos Vennootschap) stoomvaartmaatschappijn nederland

merged with 3 other dutch companies to form Nedlloyd, which was in 2005 taken over by Maersk (still going strong today)

but i digress :D

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#8
July 4, 2019 at 01:18:35
I sent emails to the two maritime museums in the Netherlands,
but no reply yet. I sent an email to the New-York Historical Society,
and a research person there replied very promptly with some very
relevant material, but no actual answer. She said she would keep
looking. I tried to post a comment to the owner of ssmaritime.com,
using the form on the site, but each time I hit the "Send" button it
reported that the process failed and said to try again later. The
Captcha test seems to accept me as a human. I've tried clicking
the Send button both before and after doing the Captcha, with the
same result either way. That person has a second website about
himself which obviously uses the same software and is built the
same way. Same result there. Any ideas how I might reach him?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#9
July 4, 2019 at 08:16:01
Here's an email address I grabbed off the bottom of the Index page:

rg@ssmaritime.com

Also there is a note at the top of the page:

Mobiles, Firefox & some other Search Engines may not "be" suitable
Please use Internet Explorer or Google Chrome for this page to load perfectly!

and the main page does not load properly for me, using Waterfox 56.2.11 (Firefox compiled specifically for 64 bit machines), so try the suggestion of Explorer or Chrome.

and one last idea is to turn off all blocking web add-ons like Addbock+, etc

MIKE

http://www.skeptic.com/


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