What are your views on murderers and justice?

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October 21, 2012 at 10:53:13
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My views on justice for murderers
1- I feel that if someone is caught red-handed while killing another human being they should be executed immediately....no court...no insanity pleas, etc...trouble is...they pay people to analyse why this happened and how it could have been prevented (this can be done if the killer is dead or alive)....I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth...
2- on the other hand...if a person kills another and there are no witnesses to be found (they only speculate he/she is the killer) then it should go through the justice system....a long gruelling process using major tax dollars.

The Canadian justice system is a joke....no death penalty...and the killers are released after a certain length of time behind bars.
A good example was the case of the oriental person who cold bloodedly executed a yound man on a Greyhound bus,
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story...
beheaded him and ate some parts while police and on-lookers watched. He even taunted the police by going to the front of the bus (which was evacuated) and holding up the head and dropping it on the ground. Just a real sick puppy this killer was. At that point the police should have terminated his life right there.
Instead he was taken to court on insanity pleas, etc and possible extradition to his home country. That person will probably walk the streets in 10 years...is that right?

Just recently a Canadian female crossing guard was shot and seriously injured
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/1...
by an American tatoo artist from Washington who then took his own life....that was a blessing for the shot guard who will be haunted for the rest of her life by the incident.

The killer in the Batman Movie showing in Colorado
http://news.yahoo.com/mass-shooting...
That killer should have been shot and killed on the spot....look at the anguish he is now causing all the victims...I really think at times that justice is for the criminals....he does not deserve to live IMO

There are many cases like this and usually the killers walk away free people after so many years...that is NOT right in my way of thinking.

In the USA they have death penalties in some of the states, but it takes many years before they execute a murderer.

What are your views on killers? I know that some other countries take much more action against murderers and most Canadians and Americans class them as barbaric...but hey...they get the job done

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#1
October 21, 2012 at 12:44:12
I think that if we pretend to be civilized then we go through a proper trial procedure rather than indulging in summary execution.

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#2
October 21, 2012 at 13:44:30
Ok, so if the killer is caught red-handed committing the murder....he should be allowed many years to live and cause more grief for the deceased family's members that it is more civilized and he/she may be released after so many years? I tend to disagree with that...sorry.

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#3
October 21, 2012 at 13:51:28
If you cannot see the ways that what you propose are open to abuse then there is little I can say to change your mind.

Coming from the UK, I will only say to you "Jean Charles de Menezes".


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#4
October 21, 2012 at 13:52:07
"Yeah, I shot him. That guy killed him. And her. And that guy over there. And this camera. With my gun. Luckily I got it back from him."

Are you from Wisconsin, or something?

EDIT: Beaten by 40 seconds.

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#5
October 21, 2012 at 14:57:28
In most parts of the world the normal sequence is:

Arrrest > Charge > Trial > Verdict > Sentence > Execution of Sentence.

Of-course, the reverse order might have something going for it too.

Some ideas here perhaps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDB...

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#6
October 21, 2012 at 15:55:17
"Ok, so if the killer is caught red-handed committing the murder....he should be allowed many years to live and cause more grief for the deceased family's members that it is more civilized and he/she may be released after so many years? I tend to disagree with that..."

Agree (to disagree with that). Justice for heinous crimes (as mentioned) should be quick and equivalent to the crime committed. And after dating someone who was forcibly raped, you don't even want to bring up what I think the punishment for rape should be. Just FYI---it involves this:
http://www.northerntool.com/images/...

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#7
October 21, 2012 at 17:31:24
sorry, not too much in to Monty Python...

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#8
October 21, 2012 at 18:11:58
Not everyones cup of coffee I guess...


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#9
October 21, 2012 at 18:20:04
yeah....no problem...I'm sure many others do though ;-)

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#10
October 21, 2012 at 18:22:19
And after dating someone who was forcibly raped,
I understand perfectly...rape is terrible and the rapists should be punished to the full extent of the law!

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#11
October 21, 2012 at 18:24:28
Are you from Wisconsin, or something?
Nope, but I have some friends from there...

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#12
October 21, 2012 at 23:52:58
I'm still a little unclear as to who you think should have executed the police officers who murdered Jean Charles de Menezes. Where does the killing stop?

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October 22, 2012 at 05:23:15

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#14
October 22, 2012 at 08:29:42
He's a Brazilian who was murdered in London by police who believed he was a terrorist. So, by your logic, someone should also have executed the police on the spot, shouldn't they?

The point is that instantaneous decisions as to whether someone is a murderer or a terrorist are sometimes wrong. That why we have courts where the truth is determined logically, not in the heat of the moment.


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#15
October 22, 2012 at 15:25:49
Police and terrorists are a totally different ball game in my eyes, the police were obviously given orders on that situation....not really cold blooded murder in my eyes as I know nothing about that situation...if there was a tussle...etc...I guess I am thinking more on the lines of civilian murderers....like the ones I mentioned in my OP...sorry

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#16
October 22, 2012 at 15:43:19
There was a time when 1st degree murder was dealt with quickly and harshly; this link describes what happened to the attempted assassin of president-elect Franklin Roosevelt back in 1933:

http://history1900s.about.com/od/19...

He was executed within 2 weeks of being charged with murder.

Are we better off today than back in 1933?


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#17
October 22, 2012 at 16:12:54
I like it nails! That was quick justice and it should be that way today!
JUSTICE was served!

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#18
October 23, 2012 at 10:23:33
Off with their Floppies! :-)

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#19
October 30, 2012 at 19:30:14
I guess I am thinking more on the lines of civilian murderers....like the ones I mentioned in my OP...sorry

and how do you tell the difference in a few seconds. In the case of Charles de Mendez the police officer were in civilian clothes, as is often the case.

How do you tell on the spur of the moment that the "murderer" wasn't actually defending himself or even that he was someone administering your version of summary justice. Who administers this summary justice of yours; anyone who thinks he knows how to use a gun?

What kind of decision are you likey to make in a few minutes with limited information that a jury can take many hours do decide with all the available information.

You argument has so many holes in it it would take all day and half the night the detail them. We would soon end up back in the days of the Widl West when the guy with the quickest draw lives. As ijack says, summary justice sounds nice, but the opportunity for abuse is so huge that it is just not worth contemplating.

I am quite proud of the fact that I live in a country that abolished capital punishment many many years ago,

Stuart


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#20
October 30, 2012 at 20:11:07
I don't even know who that is?

Just for info, Jean Charles de Menezes was shot and killed by the police (with no tussle). He just happened to come from the wrong direction at the wrong time and the cops thought he was a suspected terrorist. If I recall correctly the police apologised to the relatives but I doubt that made them feel a whole heap better. As always, Google works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...

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#21
October 30, 2012 at 20:26:16
Derek....'johnny come lately' THAT was explained in response #14.....

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#22
October 31, 2012 at 08:47:47
OK, point taken, but you now have the full story, link and all.


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#23
November 1, 2012 at 00:45:57
The whole story and, perhaps, some understanding of why instant justice is not a good thing. Some mistakes can be apologized for; some are irreversible.

In this case not only did the police make an irreversible mistake by holding down an innocent man in a crowded subway train and pumping six (I think - it may have been less, it may have been more, the outcome was the same) bullets into his head in front of horrified passengers they then tried to cover up their mistake by falsifying evidence.


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