Solved Suggestion about Editing Posts

Gigabyte / Ga-z77p-d3
July 28, 2013 at 04:06:46
Specs: Windows 8, i7-3770 3.9 GHz / 8153 MB
I wonder if it would be a good idea if, as on other forums that I use, there was some indication when a post is edited? Otherwise I foresee a potential for abuse of the facility.

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July 28, 2013 at 18:16:45
ijack,

I see what you mean... well I don't think users should be editing their posts in a way that accuses other users of lying, regardless of how the system itself works. That is unfortunate, and I understand your problem. I didn't realize you were concerned about the system being used in a deceptive way, just for informational purposes.

I believe that is more of a rules violation issue than anything else. I don't think people should be arguing about who is and isn't a liar on the forum regardless of the circumstances. This site is about helping people, not throwing around accusations. If it happens again, please let me know.

EDIT: Just to make things easier, I have added a simple edit tracking feature. It doesn't show the date, but it should put to rest any issues that may occur in the future.

Thanks!
Justin

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#1
July 28, 2013 at 06:05:48
Most of this time I have noticed the user indicates a modification. Though I see the point.

:: mike


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#2
July 28, 2013 at 06:35:35
Indeed, that is the sensible way to proceed. And if the edit is minor, such as a spelling error, there is no real need to indicate an error. But a possible, hypothetical, case would be:

Poster A: it is a fact that pigs eat snails.
Poster B: you are mistaken, pigs do not eat snails.

At this point Poster A edits his OP to read "pigs have curly tails". Confusing enough already, but then

Poster A: i didn't say anything about snails.

Poster A has now manipulated the system to make B look silly, and a liar to boot. And there is no evidence of the change. Were that to happen in practice I would probably review whether I wanted to continue contributing to the forum.

A simple "Edited by Poster A at 11:34" stops this hypothetical possibility becoming fact.


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#3
July 28, 2013 at 08:15:09
Downside is that many responses could become littered with automated edit notifications.

I can't say I've really had any issues with the present arrangements, so to make a change for the sake of the odd abuser seems dubious to me.

As the original poster says, it is only "potential for abuse".

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#4
July 28, 2013 at 08:41:59
ijack, posters can only modify their own posts and responses so I don't follow how a second person can manipulate the thread.

Moderators, of course, can make changes in a post, up to, and including removal.

If you see something that you feel is not right, you can always report it to a moderator or to the webmasters.


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#5
July 28, 2013 at 08:53:49
OtheHill
From #2 "At this point Poster A edits his OP", so it wasn't the second person doing the modification in the example given.

Whatever, I wonder if we should concern ourselves too much with the hypothetical - unless it becomes widespread. I often decide to change the odd word (for clarity) in my responses, shortly after posting, and think such an automated system could be a pain.

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#6
July 28, 2013 at 09:07:27
ijack,

I tend to agree with the sentiment here, unless it becomes a widespread issue, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

There are two reasons:

1. First postings in the thread can only be edited for one hour after they are created. This is to prevent someone from getting a solution in a response, and deleting the whole original posting with the words, "solution found, thanks" or something to that affect.

2. Since you can set your own timezone, with the way the system works, it won't be able to show the edit time. It would be able to show it in Pacific or some standard time, but that would conflict with all the other times you see on the pages. So, we could say, "edited by xxx" but not include a time. That would help with a potential issue, but not as much as including the time.

Could the system be changed to include edit times in the backend, so they could be handled appropriately? Sure. However, until the issue becomes a bigger problem, that is a lot of work for something theoretical.

Justin


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#7
July 28, 2013 at 12:38:09
It is a problem to me that an edit has been made in a way that, essentially, accuses me of lying. I appreciate that this is not a problem to others. Enough said.

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#8
July 28, 2013 at 14:14:25
ijack

Yes, I think I know the post you mean and I agree it was a bit unfortunate.


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July 28, 2013 at 18:16:45
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ijack,

I see what you mean... well I don't think users should be editing their posts in a way that accuses other users of lying, regardless of how the system itself works. That is unfortunate, and I understand your problem. I didn't realize you were concerned about the system being used in a deceptive way, just for informational purposes.

I believe that is more of a rules violation issue than anything else. I don't think people should be arguing about who is and isn't a liar on the forum regardless of the circumstances. This site is about helping people, not throwing around accusations. If it happens again, please let me know.

EDIT: Just to make things easier, I have added a simple edit tracking feature. It doesn't show the date, but it should put to rest any issues that may occur in the future.

Thanks!
Justin

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#10
July 29, 2013 at 12:20:03
To ijack, I never considered the malicious end of things, I see your point. I am just so used to the integrity of the people that post on this site. Thanks for mentioning the other side. It is never good when someone is rude like that.

:: mike


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#11
August 2, 2013 at 14:01:01
There already seem be a lot of edits appearing in posts, which is what I was afraid of. All too often when I go back shortly afterwards I can see a way of making my responses clearer. I assume #9 is an example of this, on this thread.

Someone else is now explaining every edit (presumably to ensure it is clear they are not "up to something"). I've taken to doing the same but I'm not so sure whether it could confuse posters who don't really need to know that. In the past whenever I have made a substantial edit I have declared it, as have many other helpers.

It's early days yet but so far I wonder if this new edit feature is really worthwhile because it is very rare that edits are abused. In fact I only know of one instance, which was the thread ijack mentioned.

I'll try not to edit this one LOL.

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#12
August 4, 2013 at 01:00:06
I would say that what you are now seeing is just how many posts are edited without (previously) your knowledge. A single line added to the end of a post to indicate that is not (IMO) distracting.

As for explaining edits if they make a substantial change to the meaning of a post - isn't that just good netiquette?


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#13
August 4, 2013 at 09:43:11
I imagine many edits are made quite soon after posting, despite the preview facility. I've always declared substantial edits but now I find myself hesitating to go back to make minor changes for neatness. Maybe in my effort to ensure my responses are as clear as possible I edit them more than most. I don't want this to be seen that I am up to something sinister, which I'm not.

EDIT: Added this:
I don't find the new edit notation "distracting" but it does mean that I feel obliged to explain every fiddling little typo. Maybe I should change the way I work and not worry so much about exactness - that way I would not find this new feature a nuisance.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks

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#14
August 5, 2013 at 14:37:05
Just to say that I have managed to work out a way to live with this feature, without having to bore the poster with unnecessary explanations about minor edits, yet still work (more or less) the same way as I always did.

As I seemed to be the only one who wasn't keen on this change then I guess I had to be the one to find a neat way to live with it. After all, as I can cope with Win8 on a PC then this edit thing had to be easy LOL.

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