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September 20, 2012 at 12:55:03
It never ceases to amaze me how people come up with all these conspiracy theories about how Obama is secretly going to take over the country etc. You give this man way too much credit. If all the CRAP you read about this stuff were true, he would have to be smarter than the CIA, the FBI and the entire system of checks and balances. Remember Watergate. They busted Nixon and the boys on a simple wiretap and burglary episode. How do people think that Obama could take over an entire country like the US. He has no power to pass anything without the approval of Congress and the Senate. That should be evident by what he hasn't been able to accomplish in the past few years. The movie "Obama 2016" is rubbish. You might as well believe in the tooth fairy. Mark Twain once said," I can count the number of free thinkers I've met on one hand and have fingers left over." Seems to me he was being generous.


#1
September 19, 2012 at 08:34:06
I can think of 47% of the population who won't be voting for him.

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#2
September 19, 2012 at 08:44:12
Me too! This is the best Republican Clown they've come up with so far! Lot's of laughs!!

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#3
September 19, 2012 at 09:19:21
So you're saying that this guy is Sarah Palin without breasts, LOL ! I wonder how many lumps he takes in his Tea. Perhaps 47.

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#4
September 19, 2012 at 09:59:59
Don't knock it. He's pumping millions of dollars into the economy and will get nothing in return.

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#5
September 19, 2012 at 10:25:02
I'm voting against Obama and for Romney. But I do work and am in the top 53%. You should try it.

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#6
September 19, 2012 at 10:27:24
Hey Roki,what do you do for a living?Hedge Funder?Cayman Islander?

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#7
September 19, 2012 at 10:29:40
Nope and no. But smart money is off shore these daze.

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#8
September 19, 2012 at 10:32:10
That's why this country is in the shape it's in! Because small minded,greedy people like you need to have it all.Can't spend it in the grave!

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#9
September 19, 2012 at 10:47:36
I don't agree. 27% of my after tax income goes to charitable organizations. Granted, that can equate to a to a lower tax burden the following year, but that is the way the game is played.

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#10
September 19, 2012 at 10:56:11
I'm not going to get into a political debate here. There are blogs all over for that. Roki, I've probably been working longer than you've been alive. Don't pass judgement on me too soon. I still think Romney/Ryan are jerks.

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#11
September 19, 2012 at 11:15:23
I'm afraid I'm in the 60+ club. I think it is assumed that I am a Romney fan. Not true. It just seems that he is the only viable alternative. As I said, I'm voting against the other option. Ok, I'm done.

Hand (Have a nice day)

PS. It can't be spent in the grave, but it can be spent from the grave.


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#12
September 19, 2012 at 11:20:13
Charitable organizations are still a taxx right off,correct?If this is what you mean by playing the game then you are correct,most people do.But it's the cash that's under the mattress we're talking about,you know,the unreported income?The kind Romney has hidden in Swiss bank accounts and off shore accounts in the Caymans?Why not show us what he has?Why? Because he's a cheat and a liar!He'll never be president!

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#13
September 19, 2012 at 17:57:58
He'll never be president!

Well, its 53% right now.... plus all these stats are only polls, not how the actual voter turnout is going to be.

You've been helped by a 14 year old.


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#14
September 19, 2012 at 20:17:28
It is a constant source of amusement to many of us not citizens of the "World's Greatest Democracy" that the best candidates you can come up with for high office seem to have a habit of opening their mouths only to change feet. You've had washed up actors, philanderers, cheats, liars and crooks. From an outsider's perspective at least the current incumbent exhibits statesmanlike qualities although the job appears to be eating him up from the inside. Best wishes to whoever becomes the next leader of the free world.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#15
September 19, 2012 at 20:17:30
Chefed

I am one of those out of my mind people that will be voting for Romney. Four more years of Socialism and we won't be able to turn back. We are at the tipping point now.

You must be one of those 47% that don't pay taxes and will support the liberal that will keep those checks coming.

Keep voting for the folks that are loading future debt on your kids and grand kids. 6 Trillion added in the last four years.

This is your second post here and you post a thread like this? How much federal income tax did you pay last year?


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#16
September 19, 2012 at 21:14:29
Exactly! It's not just the kooks anymore that are predicting an economic collapse if Obama gets re-elected and continues his idiotic policies. Printing money is not a solution to a bad economy. They've tried it twice already and apparently are going to do it again. What's that classic definition of insanity--doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results?

The 'Arab Spring' his administration supported turns out to be nothing more than an out-of-the-frying-pan-and-into-the-fire change for the mideast. Obama has thrown Israel under the bus virtually assuring an attack on them by Iran or a pre-emptive attack by Israel.

Russia sees a weakened US and strengthens its ties with Iran, giving them submarines. China sees a weakened US and threatens Japan.

And while all this is going on Obama is on TV getting his a** kissed by Letterman.

I was one of those who wasn't sure of Romney at first but it's becoming more and more apparent he's exactly the right person both for the economy and our place in the world. If you can't see that then maybe you should turn off MSNBC and take a look at what's going on in the real world


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#17
September 20, 2012 at 01:05:17
@Richard59 - I don't know where you live, but here in the UK we have had our share too, from the mendacious to the bumbling to the present incompetent. The problem is that the sort of people that want to go into politics are not the sort of people that you should trust to run a country.

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#18
September 20, 2012 at 02:37:51
The problem is that the sort of people that want to go into politics are not the sort of people that you should trust to run a country.
You are 100% correct and this is why i don't vote.

You know the real meaning of peace only if you have been through the war.


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#19
September 20, 2012 at 03:11:00
Whether to vote or not is a tricky issue. Whilst I want "none of the above", one of them is going to get in. So I have to minimize my losses. It's a lose-lose game, unfortunately.

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#20
September 20, 2012 at 05:51:07
Where I'm from, in recent memory we've had a drop bear, a man that speaks Chinese better than residents of Chinatown, and at present an incompetent woman who best serves as a ginger topped beacon of fashion faux pas instead of a shining light of democracy.

And our other option? a speedo-wearing wingnut whose favourite word is, "No."

And we have to vote for one of them. We get fined if we don't.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#21
September 20, 2012 at 09:26:14
It doesn't matter which way you vote anyway, the electoral college elects the president, not the people.

Personally, I don't think Obama has shown his true colors yet. These 1st 4 yrs laid the ground work for what is to come. In several of his speeches, he's stated that his "individual salvation depends on our collective salvation". That sounds all warm & fuzzy, doesn't it? And many people leave it at that. But you have to realize that all his speeches are carefully thought out & specifically worded. And the statement about "collective salvation" is taken directly from the teachings of Millennialism & Liberation Theology (which is based on Marxism). Some say that by stating this, he is declaring himself to be the new Messiah & his ultimate goal is to bring on the Apocalypse & usher in the Golden Age of Peace (or Chaos), depending on which theory you subscribe to. Sound crazy? Maybe.

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012...

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/forensic...

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...


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#22
September 20, 2012 at 09:56:24
http://2016themovie.com/

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#23
September 20, 2012 at 10:53:07
Richard59 & ijack

The thing is, whether the most powerful person in their country, or the least, they're still human beings and human beings make mistakes, do stupid things and err.

The problem is that the sort of people that want to go into politics are not the sort of people that you should trust to run a country.

I'd love to take a census and see how many of them are:
a) Lawyers
b) independantly wealthy
or
c) independantly wealthy lawyers.

My favorite Sci Fi author in one of his books has a political discussion take place between two characters and I remember laughing when one tells the other, "Politicians shouldn't get paid to be politicians, they should have to pay to be politicians"

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#24
September 20, 2012 at 12:55:03
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It never ceases to amaze me how people come up with all these conspiracy theories about how Obama is secretly going to take over the country etc. You give this man way too much credit. If all the CRAP you read about this stuff were true, he would have to be smarter than the CIA, the FBI and the entire system of checks and balances. Remember Watergate. They busted Nixon and the boys on a simple wiretap and burglary episode. How do people think that Obama could take over an entire country like the US. He has no power to pass anything without the approval of Congress and the Senate. That should be evident by what he hasn't been able to accomplish in the past few years. The movie "Obama 2016" is rubbish. You might as well believe in the tooth fairy. Mark Twain once said," I can count the number of free thinkers I've met on one hand and have fingers left over." Seems to me he was being generous.

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#25
September 20, 2012 at 15:00:16
Obama doesn't have to "take over the country", he's already in charge of the country. He's also in charge of the CIA, DHS, DoD, FBI, FEMA, NSA, & whatever other scary agency acronym you want to throw in there. He's been bypassing "checks & balances" by issuing Executive Orders, just as numerous presidents have done before him.

And he has used the terms "individual salvation" & "collective salvation" many times. It is NOT by chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5IK...

http://christiansagainstleftisthere...

Remember, "a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil"


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#26
September 20, 2012 at 18:10:58
2016 the movie,lies,propaganda,lies,propaganda,lies,propaganda.

Not on your life!


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#27
September 20, 2012 at 19:52:22
@Chefed: Have you actually watched the full movie?

You've been helped by a 14 year old.


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#28
September 21, 2012 at 07:44:45
"Not on your life!"

Forty-three years ago I put my life on the line for this country. A second opportunity would be even more of an honor.


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#29
September 21, 2012 at 08:51:47
RMT2, you must be 14! I have more experience in my 57 years in this country than you will ever have.I have served her without hesitation,pay my taxes IN FULL and have been part of a very large family that migrated to this great country of ours grommets the Nazis in Europe.Yes I have seen the propaganda movie Obama 2016 and it's not a far cry from what I have seen before!If called upon I would serve her again and again without question.How about you ??

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#30
September 21, 2012 at 09:48:35
Chefed

I don't care about any movie. You say you served this country. Was that in the military? If so, why would you support Obama when he wants to drastically shrink our military to use the money for social programs.

BTW, I am 68, served 14 months in Vietnam and pay lots of taxes.

I do the grocery shopping. I see too many people that are well dressed and drive nice new cars that are using bridge cards to pay their bill. This country has turned into a welfare state.

Obama is leading this country down the socialistic road the most of Europe has already traveled and found it lacking. Socialism doesn't work.

As riider stated above. Voting is usually the lesser of two evils. Romney may not be perfect but we have already seen where Obama wants to take us.


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#31
September 21, 2012 at 16:35:38
RMT2, you must be 14! I have more experience in my 57 years in this country than you will ever have.

Hey, don't insult me because of my age!

You've been helped by a 14 year old.


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#32
September 21, 2012 at 16:50:09
OtheHill,if the name fits,and it does,use it.Do you know exactly how much Romney paid in taxes?I'll bet the answer is NO! As for a shrinking military,I don't think we have to worry about that,we have plenty of firepower to handle any situation should it present itself,just ask Bin Laden or Sadam Hussein,oh yeah,sorry you can't,they're dead!This country's freedom is for all,not just the privileged people.You of all people should know that.As for my military service,yes I have also served,long enough to know what I served for.Let go of the anger man,it gets you nothing!

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#33
September 21, 2012 at 21:27:17
So I guess if you knew how much he paid in taxes you'd knock off your silly tirade? Well cheer up. The news out today is that he's going to release his tax returns. After all, it's SO important.

Oh I'm sure you remember that Obama's Treasury secretary Geithner admitted to cheating on his taxes. But Obama still wanted him. Does that bother you?

And the miliitary? Yeah it's OK at the moment. But I'm sure you recall Obama's open mike boo boo where he asked Russian president Medvedev to pass a message along to incoming president Putin that when it came to the issue of weapons Obama needed some 'space' and 'flexibility' from Putin until after the November election.

Gee I wonder what that means? It sounds like Obama plans on doing some slashing of the military after the election that he doesn't dare do before the election. Or what do you think it means?

Some people are so dumb uh, mal-educated that explaining things like this to them is like trying to teach algebra to someone who still doesn't understand that two plus two equals four. Where do you start with someone like that?


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#34
September 22, 2012 at 08:42:04
Chefed, just what does that name represent anyway?

You are the one expressing anger. You are a troll here.

Romney paid almost 2 million in federal income taxes last year. Also donated 30% of his income to charity. I happen to think that is a pretty good record. Obama only paid a fraction of that amount.

As far as my handle here goes, I wear it proudly.

Are you ashamed of how, where and how long you served in the military? Were you honorably discharged?



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#35
September 22, 2012 at 14:51:17
I find it hard to believe that Chefed is a 57 year old vet. Anyone can make any claim here without verification. His spelling, his writing, his rants all point to a kid pretending to be older in hopes his views will be taken more seriously.

And his views are certainly inconsistent with someone whose family fled the Nazi's. Those people know where a regime like Obama's is headed.


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#36
September 23, 2012 at 10:40:13
"His spelling, his writing, his rants all point to a kid pretending to be older in hopes his views will be taken more seriously."

Ibelieveyouareonehundredpercentcorrect!


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#37
September 24, 2012 at 09:19:33
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/2...

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#38
September 24, 2012 at 13:24:16
In all honesty I have only read a little more than half the replies on this thread and I have to say for the most part I have lost respect for many here.
I am afraid I don’t have near the political prowess some here believe they do so I have to base my decision on what and how I have been affected directly. What I see is a president with what may be lofty goals for his country that he cannot possibly attain.
Maybe I am wrong but doesn’t the president need those in congress and the senate to help in order to bring about a major change? Now these a**holes have not only not done their job but have gone on record on television and stated they intended only to stop the president from doing his. Many of you seem ready to keep them and toss our president for trying.
I know things have not turned glorious in the few years he has been in but it took that butcher before him eight years to bring us as low as we are now. For those that want to spout that it was Clinton that set the legislation that allowed the banks to give out the bad loans that they did I have just one thing to say. Grow up! If you make between $50,000 and $75,000 a year what on earth made your ignorant backside think you should buy a $350,000 home and two new $40,000 - $50,000 luxury cars? I can throw rocks up in the air too but I don’t like lumps on my head.
Starting with Regan: During Regan’s’ presidency I advanced in my job very slowly and my taxes went up to keep up with it. Things for me personally did not get worse but they did not really get better.
During Bush Sr.’s presidency I gladly got out of the service because to be honest I was asked to continually risk my life for pennies. There was no way I could see to ever buy a home while in. Working construction later I could make a living but not much of one and I always feared getting laid off and did several times.
During Clinton’s presidency I was able to grow. I was able to advance in my career both in responsibility and financially. I made a good name for myself. I bought two homes. Unlike many I saw no need to look for a home that cost nearly ten times my yearly salary. I have no sympathy for those that did. I sold both my homes for a clear profit and moved a thousand miles from home to get married. After a short adjustment period again I was personally growing and then
During Bush Jr.’s presidency almost immediately I saw a drop in construction. Layoffs came back into the picture by the second year. I landed a unionized job with what seemed good money but right away everything was frozen except taxes. We cut and ran back to Florida because I knew the cost of living was much better here. I went back to construction making less than half what my union job payed but we were living much better. I advanced through layoffs of others until the last year of Bush Jr. when I was let go because the company went under.
During Obama’s presidency my job did not come running back. I did not expect it to. I have gone through several part time jobs and was able to go back to school for a good while. This I was able to use to do some work from home. I am not getting rich but my bills are paid. I see a light at the end of the tunnel. I fear though after reading some of the responses here that light is the Romney/Ryan express about to run me down for the last time.

Likely


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#39
September 24, 2012 at 14:11:53
likely

What does your personal experience while past presidents were in office have to do with the current president?

Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

I can't speak for others here,but my issues with Obama are as follows. First and foremost, Obama is a Socialist and wishes to turn the USA into a Socialistic society. He firmly believes in taking from the haves and giving to the have nots.

In his efforts to give to the have nots, he has increased the national debt by some 6 trillion dollars. My adult children and their future children will need to repay that money. Every man, woman, and child is this counrty now owes $51,000.

Seeing as 47% of adults pay no income tax, and many of those also receive assistance form the federal government. I don't mean SSecurity either. So us taxpayers are left to pony up about $100,000 each to pay of the debt.

Omaba has artificially held down interest rates and inflation. We are all going backward financially. This can't continue. If Romney wins and doesn't start us down the right path then I say we get rid of him too.

Clinton balanced the budget during most of his tenure ONLY because he was forced into it by Newt Gingrich. That was the main reason why the economy grew during those years.

I agree with you about banks extending credit to those that couldn't afford it. To be fair, both parties were complicit in not overseeing the banks.

The same thing is still going on. You can buy FDIC insured CDs that are based on the futures market. That is crazy.

Honestly, I don't care which party is in control as long as they balance the budget.


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#40
September 25, 2012 at 09:00:16
I'll start with your $51,000 claim. I don't have the drive to chase statistics and dig through the lies to get all these figures so I won't. Instead I'll agree that you did and this number is accurit. How much was it before Obama took office? Tell me it was less than $40,000 and I have lost all faith in your math. Am I better off now? Yes. By leaps and bounds? Not nearly. Not even enough that I would say I am happy about it.

My problem with Romney is this is a man that has made, well we don't have any idea how much money because he is avoiding paying taxes on it, from destroying companies destroying jobs.

I am one of those that has been on government assistance and off again. According to you and mitt I don't matter. I am a freeloader. Both of ya can kiss my freeloading backside. I have spent far too many years busting my hump to tolerate that load of bs. I do firmly agree these programs are taken advantage of. I was angry as heck to have to use them myself because of this.

Maybe I should rethink my position on that given the statements made by you and your savior that myself and anyone else that has needed help thanks to what bush did to us are worthless and have no intention of working to support ourselves.

I have to admit that I have no clue about your concept of a socialistic society. You seem to be trying to make us believe that the idea is that anyone that has worked their way to riches must pay for the rest of us to lay about and watch tv. I don’t see that happening but maybe my tv is in the way. I do see someone saying that it isn’t right that those below the poverty level should pay the taxes for those above. I agree with that. Why is $40,000,000 in investment income taxed at 14%, which Romney wants to lower by the way, and $31,000 in working income taxed at 27%, that will have to be raised to accommodate the breaks given to the rich?

I’d be willing to bet that you’re one of those that claimed Obama was running this country into the ground two days after he moved into the white house.

Likely


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#41
September 25, 2012 at 09:23:50
According to Mitt, he is not seeking your vote because he figures you probably won't vote for him and he needs to concentrate on the voters he can get.

The $51,000 is accurate.

Look at the two links below to see where we are now and where we were when Obama took office.

Romney paid taxes at the rates set by congress. He paid almost 2 million in 2011 alone. Sounds like you begrudge him being well off.

You do understand that since Romney was a governor is money is all in blind trusts that he, BY LAW, does not control.

Likely, you sound very bitter. I don't know what caused that attitude but it isn't my fault.

I have been self employed for 38 years. Whatever money I have I worked for. I am a licensed builder that did more than half the construction on all projects. I worked 80 hours a week for 30 years. I paid tons of taxes on money earned by the sweat off my back. I am sorry if you think I should feel sorry for you. I did without for years to avoid having a mortgage. That meant no deductions. I bought when I had the cash.

Yes, I resent the folks that play the system.

http://www.justfacts.com/nationalde...

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ha...


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#42
September 25, 2012 at 10:15:47
I have no want or need for your sympathy. I don't believe that anything is your fault. I do feel that you are of the opinion that I am less of a man than you and that I have no intention of paying my own way simply because I needed help for a time. I have no use for the opinions of an arrogant elitist snob. I did not run into financial issues because I over extended myself on credit. I know the choosing of a career in construction was my idea so I bare the brunt of the blame for what happened to me when my job disappeared because our president at the time was more focused on waging war than taking care of his country.

I do not begrudge him for doing well. I begrudge him for exploiting the tax system and asking myself and others to pay his share. And I begrudge you for lumping me in to those that lay on their backs sucking up handouts while I struggled to do anything just to avoid assistance.

It doesn’t bother you that while you paid “tons of taxes” people like Romney that made a good deal more, did no physical labor, paid a much lower percentage than you, and hid money away in other countries to avoid paying at all? You’re alright with the idea that he not only wants to continue this but lower the percentage he has to pay? You’re alright with the fact that the difference will have to be made up from those that do bleed and sweat to care for their families?

Bitter? Not yet. After Romney takes office and proves that all the headway I have made the past few years will just be snatched up to cover his bar tab then I’ll be bitter. Right now I am just pointing out what I see without reading the propaganda or listening to the lies.

Likely


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#43
September 25, 2012 at 12:10:58
OtheHill wrote: "Whatever money I have I worked for"

Really? Not according to Obama:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help"
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."


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#44
September 25, 2012 at 13:22:36
Likely

Sure sounds to me like you begrudge Romney having millions in investments that are taxed at 15% capital gains tax, just like you or I are taxed on long term capital gains. This is legal and intended by congress to encourage investment.

"I do feel that you are of the opinion that I am less of a man than you and that I have no intention of paying my own way simply because I needed help for a time. I have no use for the opinions of an arrogant elitist snob."

Show me where in this thread I demeaned you in any way. Perhaps you are feeling guilty?

What headway have you made? Are you working at a good paying job?

No, it doesn't bother me that Romney paid a lower percentage than I did. He still paid one hell of a lot more than my wife and I did.

"just pointing out what I see without reading the propaganda or listening to the lies."

Instead of making vague statements like the above, why not provide links to back up your claims, like I have.

If you have children then you should be worried about their future if the deficit spending isn't brought under control.


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#45
September 25, 2012 at 14:40:35
@Likely:

I don't feel that you are less of a man for taking government assistance. (had to do that unemployment insurance thing myself) But I do feel sorry for you for being seemingly uninformed about certain issues- Bain Capital for one.

Bain's mission is to buy companies, run them, and make money. Their success rate is phenomenal at well over 90%. They have had a hand in the success of Staples, Brookstone, Dominoes Pizza, Steel Dynamics, Sports Authority etc.

I just don't get demeaning somebody for being successful.


@Chefed

These "off shore accounts" and "unreported income" comments are just stupid! If a US based company makes money overseas they are taxed. If they bring it back to the US, it will be taxed again. What CEO in their right mind wants their profits taxed twice? Change the tax laws, I say and let businesses bring overseas profits back to this country.


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