Saving a webpage

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January 17, 2011 at 13:32:08
Specs: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, 2.362 GHz / 2047 MB
Sorry to be a bit technical on here but this one is very general.....

I'm wondering if I might be the only person in the world who ever saves webpages. I do this for the more technical ones that have a habit of vanishing in time. In one of the IE versions way back (in the days of W98SE), MS introduced the mht file. This meant you could save a webpage as a single file, which you could rename if necessary, complete with pictures etc. Great idea.

Here's the snag though. The above works fine for many wepages but has rarely ever worked for websites from MS. They freeze when used, unless saved as complete webpages (htm) with the customary file and folder. The other thing is that MS have the knack of creating wepages with massive subjects that require the full width of the screen. This means that to save complete webpages neatly you have to change the title in the miniscule box before saving, otherwise you have to dive into html coding afterewards in order to change all the subject references in the htm file. You then have to rename the _files folder accordingly.

So, I am I alone or has anyone else ever spotted this? After all, it has been happenining on all my machines for about 10 years.

While I'm on here, has anyone else noticed that "mouseovers" have always been unreliable? Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

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January 17, 2011 at 18:55:35
I can't say I save webpages for viewing much, normally if I'm saving a page it's to capture the data only.

With the rise of AJAX the web has taken on a new form - webpages are interactive and can load resources in the background without having to reload the window.

This gives a more 'interactive' and online feel to webpages, but they cannot work offline, because they require back-end communication with the server.

i.e., instead of the old days where you visit a site & every resource file is downloaded, nowadays many things are loaded as needed in the background using Javascript.

This breaks mirroring because there's no 'server' to handle the requests (spider rewriting links, and the same origin policy), and the spiders generally do not follow all possible javascript links, so the content is missing.

You might try Firefox too, it has a 'Save Webpage (Complete)' option, and generally FF does everything better than IE. Plus it's standard HTML and not mht.

About mouseovers in Javascript -

Read about 'bubbling' here -

And, it also generally occurs because the event fires immediately.

The short answer is:

Use a library. I like hoverIntent (jQuery plugin). The default config works for most needs.

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January 17, 2011 at 18:56:12
Oh, this post should probably be moved to the 'Web Development' category too.

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January 18, 2011 at 09:28:56
Thx for the info.

Yep I do use Firefox to save complete webpages as well. It's just the mht's that seem to fail every time on MS pages. It's odd because they are not usually particularly complex.

You are probably right about the placement of this post - maybe a mod will move it.

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January 19, 2011 at 02:35:13
FWIW --- I used to save them (technical sites and such), but now, unless there's something of significance (such as links or the aforementioned java script), I just print them to .pdf with PDFCreator. If it's an entire site I want to keep, I just bring out HTTrack.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."

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January 19, 2011 at 11:41:08
Back in the day, I used Black Widow....A hd can fill up really!

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January 19, 2011 at 12:42:37
I'll take a look at HTTrack. I used something similar on W98 but it was a bit shakey so I never bothered with it after I moved on.

We all live on a ball.

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January 22, 2011 at 02:22:10
Hi Derek - was surprised when you advised you generally saved only 'technical' webpages.

One can enter into many agreements/contracts online now, and it is essential any webpages involved, be saved when they contain pertinent details/conditions.

The reason I advise this, is that a webpage is so easy to change and people seem unaware of this.

Am aware of changes being used by big companies to 'modify' a sale after purchase, and the stored image is the only record the user has of what was originally purchased.

Sooner or later the legislators will catch up on his.

A similar problem is often the only way to contact an organisation is via their 'Contact Us' webpage. Following completion of this, one would expect an acknowledgement containing the the information entered by the user, otherwise one has no record. All too often this does not happen, although a reference might be supplied,which may be used for chasing a reply etc.

If lucky the eventual reply may contain the senders info, but often not. Then it can be difficult remembering what was originally sent.

Good Luck - Keep us posted.

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January 22, 2011 at 08:18:36
Yes I do sometimes save webpages when making purchases, although more often I use a screen capture program for that or keep things in special email folders.

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