Pop-outs are running rampant now, everywhere!

Dell / OPTIPLEX GX280
November 3, 2010 at 07:26:10
Specs: win 7 pro, intel core duo/2GB
Hi, In the past few days the pop-up ads seem to be taking over everywhere. they are located on the top of the posts and to the sides. It is almost like a tic tac toe game trying to close them so that you can read or answer a post.

Just wondering if they can't be subdued somehow (left on because they need the advertisers) but maybe kill the pop-up effect which is really annoying. The same name brand ads are also on lots of other websites, so i just avoid those other sites. It just becomes too much of a hassle.

I'll try a different browser than IE8 and see if that makes a difference. I don't like using firefox on computing.net because the font is too small. If I enlarge the fonts, the things like 'my home' and 'log-in, log-out get really jumbled and non-readable. IE stays with readable fonts so that is the browser of my choice all the time.

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#1
November 3, 2010 at 07:35:35
Get google chrome :)

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#2
November 3, 2010 at 08:46:09
google chrome is the same as firefox...when I adjust the font larger I lose the 'my home' and log-in, log-out on the page. It is probably because computing.net has a fixed page design.

I haven't seen the ads though so far...I still say the ads should be fixed so they don't pop...you would still see them but it wouldn't be intrusive and an obstacle course on the site, at least not for signed in members.

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November 3, 2010 at 09:42:34

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#4
November 3, 2010 at 10:23:42
sorry, but I refuse to use zilla programs ;-)

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#5
November 3, 2010 at 13:11:33
Hey,

You mean expanding ads, not popups, right? Popups open in new windows. Expanding ads just expand from their ad slot.

Also, whenever I browse the site in IE, I hardly ever see the ads. In fact, of all the ones you sent me, the only one I could ever get to come up was the Regions bank one. How often do they come up for you?

Justin


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#6
November 3, 2010 at 13:25:04
They come up at random times, there is no set time. I screenshot them as they come.
Yes, they would be expandable ads as you say, expanding right overtop of a post.
I am on chrome right now, (not my choice of a browser) and they are not there at all.
Why does computing.net let them use expandable ads when they cause such a problem? I really don't get it. I had 3 of those ads already today on IE till I switched to the chrome browser, enlarged the tiny font and then lost the 'my home' and 'log--in/out' links on the top right of the page...same thing happens in firefox. IE8 works fine, except for those intrusive ads.

As you could see in the screenshots I sent you, it can happen in any forum, it's such a random thing, but irritating.

Doesn't anyone else get those intrusive monsters?

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#7
November 3, 2010 at 14:08:49
Hey,

It is the policy of both Computing.Net and BestofMedia to allow these ads provided the following rules:

1. They have to work... the close button on them must actually close them.
2. They have to be frequency capped... They can't show up over and over and over right after each other.
3. They have to be premium ads... We won't show an expanding ad for something like cambell's soup.

Provided they meat all these conditions, they are allowed. So, I can't get into a discussion as to why or why not.

However, it does sound like some of them showing up are not meeting those conditions. That's where I'm trying to get them fixed.

Justin


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#8
November 3, 2010 at 14:14:37
Your #2 happens sometimes 3 in a row...popping overtop of a post.

For now I'll continue to use Google chrome only for computing.net because for some reason, I don't see the ads on that browser, so I'll just put up with not seeing the links on the top right like I mentioned earlier.

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#9
November 3, 2010 at 20:05:38
Hey,

#2 doesn't mean you wouldn't see two or three in a row, it just means you won't see 10 in a row or something like that.

Justin


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#10
November 4, 2010 at 11:49:15
I am using IE 8 and I rarely gat more than one ad pop up,out, or expanded, every two hours or so.

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#11
November 5, 2010 at 07:07:30
Ok, I tried IE again today, as soon as I went to a forum and grabbed the sliding sidebar with my cursor to scroll down the page...while my cursor was on the sidebar a "huge" bestbuy ad jumped out over the page...I just let it sit there...after about 15 seconds it dissappeared and get this...it was nowhere on the page. Must have jumped into thin air I suppose.

Those 'expanded' premium pop-ups could at least be fixed. It's ok to advertise, but couldn't it be less intrusive? I know computing.net survives on paid advertisers, but hey, they also make money from the free helpers that donate their expertese to help other people. Why should the helpers have to work through an obstacle course?

I didn't do anything to make it pop out. Just had my cursor on the sliding sidebar.
Ok, I'm back to a messed up page with google browser for now ...ho hum...at least they aren't rampant on there...but I would prefer IE ;-)

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#12
November 5, 2010 at 12:39:48
Hey,

Are you sure, when moving your mouse to the sidebar, you didn't mouse over the ad?

Justin


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#13
November 5, 2010 at 13:24:09
Nope, it happened after I clicked on the bar and started scrolling. I actually stayed on IE untill the it happened 3 times today and then I just went back to chrome YUCK...not my choice.

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#14
November 5, 2010 at 15:53:16
There are ways to get shot of all adds using nothing more than the tools Windows & IE provide. I doubt Justin would wish me to elaborate but way back I just picked off the stragglers one by one. Suffice to say that I haven't seen any on here for years and as an added bonus I now rarely see them on other websites either.

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#15
November 6, 2010 at 07:41:21
I'm pretty stubborn and have some spare time today so I figured I would try IE again today. Lo and behold, I discovered this:

If you sit on a page that has an expandable ad for more than 15 seconds (not moving the mouse), it automatically expands over the post. This of course is only when an expandable ad is lurking on the sidelines of a certain thread.

I even had a Best Buy Ad come up 2 at a time on a post...no mouse action activated it. I took a screenshot of it and sent it to Justin.

What I figured out was that those pesky ads are probably on a timer of some sort. This time, when I left them open and didn't move anything...they stayed up over the post. They didn't disappear like the previous ones.

At this moment, I am only seeing them with Sprint and Best Buy lately. I'm sure more will jump on the band wagon soon, as they are really intrusive to a website. The other offender was Regions bank. They are not as bountiful anymore as before, at least not on computing.net.

I have been on other websites and they are twice as bad as on computing.net, expanding all over the pages. Kind of makes me wonder why website owners don't take more pride in their websites and put limits on those intrusive ads.

The reason some people don't see these ads is because they usually stay in one forum. Others that answer posts in multiple forums will experince the many expandables. They are not on every post, they are place at random.

Pretty soon the websites could use a title like 'try to get through the maze in 10 minutes and help someone in need'
or even
'see if you can beat the clock and post an answer before an ad expands over your post'

LOL...maybe some gamers would jump in for the action...
There, I feel better now ;-)

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#16
November 6, 2010 at 09:43:22
Seems I made a Freudian slip in my #14 - I typed stranglers instead of stragglers.
I've altered it but from what you are saying "stranglers" might have been more appropriate LOL.

Btw, I get about on various forums (XP more than others) but never see any adds.


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#17
November 6, 2010 at 16:28:08
Hey,

I reported the Best Buy ad, and the ad people are going to try to get rid of it.

Honestly XpUser4Real, if they are causing you that much problems, I think your best temporary solution would be to PM Derek and talk with him. I feel bad you keep having the problems, but my reporting of them doesn't seem to be correcting it very quickly. I'm doing everything I possibly can, but it just seems like its not enough. That is on me and us, but, with our current situation, I don't want to keep promising you results and then fail to deliver. Part of the issue is that, when I use IE, I don't see this anywhere near as badly as you seem to. I'm not sure why that is, but, unfortunately, its going to slow down the effort at fixing it.

Justin


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#18
November 6, 2010 at 18:35:43
Thanks Justin, I'll just keep on using an alternate browser for now (definitely not my choice) and let others discover those....like I said earlier, I had some spare time today so I wanted to see what the expandables were up to.

Are the computing.net pages fixed (non-moveable) because when I enlarge the fonts on Google Chrome and Firefox I lose the 'my home' and 'log in/out' links...they get squashed and cannot be seen....just wondering
Thanks for the replies...I won't be sending you any more expandable screenshots.
Maybe others will run into those problems, we'll see.

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#19
November 6, 2010 at 18:42:07
Re #18.

If you prefer not to get up to trickery in IE you might wish to consider this freebie
add-on:
http://simple-adblock.com/

I cannot vouch for it in any way as I don't have need for it. However, it would appear to do the same sort of thing that Adblock Plus does for Firefox.

As it is very general and widely available I trust I'm not treading an anyones toes by publishing the link.

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#20
November 6, 2010 at 18:52:42
That was a good suggestion, but when I tried to install it, it said "the system administrator has set policies to prevent this installation"...obviously it doesn't work for windows 7 as I do not have the opetion to run it in administrator mode or campatibility mode.
It was a good idea though, I would much rather use IE than the lower end alternatives
;-)

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#21
November 6, 2010 at 18:56:04
Pity, thx for feeback tho.

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#22
November 6, 2010 at 18:57:49
I did another check with compatibility and it said to try a certain setting, I did, and I got the same warning as above, damn! I was really hoping!

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#23
November 6, 2010 at 18:58:07
I think I don't get them too much because I created a file several years ago to add to my host file with a lot of them in it. Back then I was having a heck of a time with about.com. Not sure that's it though because I still see the ads on the side and top of the pages they just don't jump out and attack me.

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#24
November 6, 2010 at 19:00:39
Re #23

Yep Hosts or Restricted sites. The hard bit is finding out exactly what to put in them.

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#25
November 6, 2010 at 19:00:52
yeah likely....on my old XP I had also installed some of that stuff, but windows 7 is a different creature to say the least! Although it is much better and faster than XP.

EDIT: We used to have some real pesky ads years ago, I forget exactly what they were, but at least we could opt out from them invading us too much...the name will come to me soon, I'm sure

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#26
November 6, 2010 at 19:07:16
Aha, sorry, didn't realise you were using Win7.

I too generally prefer IE - would you believe IE8 (with tweaks) works nicely for me on XP?
It's also doing OK on my Vista and Win7 (no tweaks).

Firefox takes too long to boot to my liking, although I find it handy as a means to temporarily switch to a new tak when I'm in the middle of a long Google search in IE.

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#27
November 6, 2010 at 19:22:07
Derek you are lucky IE8 works with you...i found it too full of security junk that it took forever on XP so I revert most of my clients back to IE7. FF is not my choice either, even on Windows 7, sometimes you have to wait a few minutes for it to install updates before it opens...not my cup of tea! I have never had IE not open saying it had to install updates, I really don't know why so many people swear about firefox and they are anti IE...I just don't get it LOL.

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#28
November 6, 2010 at 19:35:17
Maybe MS didn't test IE8 with enough software mixes - glad to hear I am "getting away with it" LOL.

Yeah, I do get those updates to FF in Vista & Win7 about once a month. Never see them on XP, so maybe I turned them off somewhere - just collect them manually from time to time. What annoys me more is that after updates you have to back out of FF and then go in again to get rid of their stupid "Isn't FF wonderful" screen.

Off to bed (early hours here in UK).

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#29
November 7, 2010 at 01:50:22
I broke into my registry and killed a bunch of things in IE8 so I don't get bugged with that security stuff and I got rid of that damned search window too.

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#30
November 7, 2010 at 07:02:48
aha...I think the old menace was called Kyocera and it made links appear in a post so if you ran your cursor accidently over the post it would pop-up...real annoying but it did have an option so you could opt out...these new expandable ads have no mercy,they just create a hindurance while posting. Eventually they will figure a way to invade all the lesser browsers, it seems they always start with the most popular one IE.

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#31
November 7, 2010 at 08:23:01
Re #30

Ah, I think you mean kontera. I have 11 others on my list but maybe the odd one is for other websites. I daresay kontera is on my ole W98 (which still works online but is now an ornament).

Btw, I had a peek at both Hosts and Restricted Sites (IE) on my Win7 and found them both there in the same places as XP. As a test I temporarily changed Hosts to Hosts.txt to read it (it didn't complain). They really ought to still function.

I had a thought about that FF "silly webpage" after updates. I daresay I could get shot of it faster by clicking my link to my homepage (Google).

If I get time I will try that "Simple Adblock" on my Win7. No doubt I will run into the same issues. I'll keep you posted if and when I get around to checking it out on mine.

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#32
November 7, 2010 at 08:27:36
Yes, I think it was kontera, what pain that was! I guess my thinker tries to do cross-scanning or word association...LOL

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#33
November 7, 2010 at 09:44:51
I was about to try that Ad-Blocker on Win7, so just in case I happened to be lucky I thought I'd go to some known websites which, in particular, had those annoying mouse-over popup adds. That way I could do a before and after.

I had a stack of wesites in a folder in favorites which I used to test my blocking. Rather stupidly I now remember I had a tidy-up and dumped the lot as they had been fixed. Isn't it amazing how when you try to find websites with popups you darned well can't.

Can XpUser4Real (or anyone for that matter) give any links to websites that have definitely got those annoyances? This website was on good behaviour when I tried.

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#34
November 7, 2010 at 09:56:22
It can't be done because the ads are placed randomly on computing.net.
When you sign into photobucket, you get hit by tons of the expandables. I know because I use photobucket for retaining pics for my craigslist ads.

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#35
November 7, 2010 at 10:10:02
Pity I lost my list because I had websites where the mouseover popups were always there in exactly the same place unless you had somehow fixed them. They included all the most well known ones you ran into when browsing.

I've found a popup test websites but so far the inbuilt IE stopper has got them all. I'm not signed into photbucket but if I ever decide to I'll see what that does.

I'll ask my wife to look out for some - apparantly they don't annoy her at all so maybe it's blokes thing.

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#36
November 7, 2010 at 10:18:11
Just had a thought. When I applied my own advert fixers I was on IE7 (or earlier) and they were certainly necessary. When I moved to IE8 I retained these fixes but perhaps IE8's inbuilt stopper now does the trick, rendering my own trickery unnecessary.

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#37
November 7, 2010 at 10:55:05
wow, Now I signed back in to photobucket and they are not there....I guess they are random on most sites, but they are the same ads though...same name brands

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#38
November 7, 2010 at 11:23:56
OK thx for info.

My real test would be to go back to IE7 and unfix my fixes. As I'm getting on OK with IE8 I don't want to do that. However I have temporarily unfixed my fixes (retaining IE8) which, given time, should prove whether IE8 popup stopper is rendering my fixes unnecessary.

I'll post back in a week or two.


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#39
November 7, 2010 at 14:15:22
Found this popup checker:
http://www.popuptest.com/

I was fine on all the "Common" ones.

On the "Less Common" ones I failed under these headings:
Floating popup
Drop down popup
Floating banner
Sticky popup

My own fiddles made no difference to the results but of-course these were aimed at particular well know advertisers. It seems that many are now redundant and looked after globally by IE8, which includes some of the most annoying ones. My fixes still remove some side adverts (including Flash) but they were never too annoying.

I shall keep monitoring as planned but would be interested in knowing how IE7 gets on with the above tests.

EDIT:
Firefox got them all except:
Drop down popup
Sticky popup

It also trapped those side adverts (with or without Flash), without needing my own fixes.


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#40
November 8, 2010 at 07:34:09
Justin, here is a suggestion. Maybe let your advertising engineering people know that if the expandable pop-up is on the top width of the forum (horizontal) that it is impossible for helpers to go up and select a different forum from the list above it...the mouse crossing will activate it making it expand all over the forum. Having them maybe designated to the side at least lets people change forums without that problem.
Just a suggestion....just trying to help. I change forums steadily, whereas others may just stay in one forum.
Thanks

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#41
November 8, 2010 at 07:58:26
Just to add for info:
If its the one on the top of this very page, on IE8 it's there but I can still access the forums and it doesn't expand at all. Maybe it's an IE7 (or earlier) thing. With my fixes it aint there.

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#42
November 8, 2010 at 10:22:42
look for these being on the top of the page horizontal
1- best buy
2- sprint
3- regions bank
4- yellow pages
I use IE8 on my windows 7

Many times there is NO banner ad there...it is all random placements.

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#43
November 8, 2010 at 19:03:55
Well, on XP I saw quite a few top banners and side ones. Didn't see those mentioned but maybe it was just a matter of time or perhaps because I'm in the UK. I've put my 11 fix entries back and there are now none anywhere - much better.

I'll have a longer bash on Win7 to see how I get on (no fixes). I'll pop back eventually.

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#44
November 9, 2010 at 09:08:47
I couldn't sleep last night so I got up around 5:30am central US time and decided to use IE8 in computing.net.
I was on for 1 1/2 hrs and not one Expandable popup...it was awersome! It is now 11am and I got on hoping for the same and POW! a new one popped right ( dissappeared before I could catch the name of it) over top of my post...so I presume that these "DEMONS" are scheduled to run during the North American Peak times.

Too bad there is not an option for users to have them subdued while answering posts...like I said earlier...it is more targetted to IE browsers because they are the majority that users use.

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#45
November 9, 2010 at 15:15:38
Yeah, it might well make some difference where you are.

Anyhow, I just installed that Simple Ad-Block on my Win7. Appart from the usual nonsenses (right clicking the IE bar to get the download and OK'ing the usual security screens) it installed without a hitch. Wasn't sure whether to opt for tracking filter but decided to tick the box. That and other options can be changed later.

Well it worked like a dream. I've none of my fixes on Win7 but it did all that they do and probably a whole heap more. I'm really sold on it - lovely and quiet and all that space to see what matters.

I don't know why it didn't work for you - I saw nothing about "system administrator policies" on mine. Might be worth another try sometime.

EDIT:
You still need IE8 popup blocker on as well to get the same 'test' results as my XP fiddles - good combination tho with no effort.

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#46
November 11, 2010 at 10:49:34
Xp

I am running FF3.6.12 in Windows 7 ultimate 32 bit. I have not such issues like you mentioned when using FF.

I couldn't find the font settings so I used FF help and looked. I currently have the fonts set to 16 point. My other stuff is not too big. I suggest you try tweaking FF. I do have an add blocker set in FF.


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#47
November 11, 2010 at 12:28:48
Yes, I would add that I have set mine so that when you switch between IE and FF you can hardly tell the difference - font looks exactly the same size.

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#48
November 11, 2010 at 15:39:37
I honestly do not know what I have done. I am using IE 8 and unless I click on an ad I do not get a popup or whatever. I do see the ads. I do not use any blockers. The one in IE 8 is turned off.

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#49
November 11, 2010 at 15:43:24
"I currently have the fonts set to 16 point."

I put mine to that setting and the fonts are still tiny in FF...I have to have them on at least 18....go figure. I have a 17" wide Dell LCD, it may make a difference with monitor size too...you may have just a 17" LCD and it would use a totally different font size.
FF sux at the best of times ;-)

My browser of choice is IE...never have to wait for it to open to load updates, or as a matter of fact reboot it after adding an addon. Many more advantages than disadvantages
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#50
November 11, 2010 at 16:25:03
There is one minor glich I have found with "all IE versions". I do quite a bit of webpage saving. Whether I use single file or complete webpage, sometimes the page then hangs for an annoying length of time then gives up. Almost always I can then go to FF and save the page without hitch (complete webpage is its only option). I doubt this is a Windows issue because I have had it on both W98 and XP. I don't know if it applies to Vista or Win7 because I haven't saved many pages on those.

I find it very handy to have more than one browser, although I mostly use IE because it starts quicker.

Btw. Simple Adblock still fine on XP, Vista, Win7 - will let you know if I find any issues.

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#51
November 11, 2010 at 21:06:18
Sure the screen size matters. I am running a 22" Samsung LCD at 1680 x 1050.

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#52
November 19, 2010 at 05:29:40
Because I use IE most times I've learned to sidestep all the annoying expandables...a new one that is really annoying is the green GE ad (looks like the ad is cut off and if you accidently pass your cursor over) that expands with sound...what will they think of next to annoy people? It's bad enough having it on an active website, never mind jumping out with sound. Yellow pages is another expandable to avoid.

Using IE you are restricted to keep your cursor strictly on the area that you are working on, thank goodness there are links everywhere on the page that can be accessed to avoid the expandable TRASH

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