Solved Microsoft to offer Windows 8.1 for free for all?

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March 1, 2014 at 06:23:33
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"if this report is any indication, Microsoft may try something pretty drastic in order to boost Windows 8 and 8.1′s popularity; making it entirely free."

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/02...


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#1
March 1, 2014 at 08:22:04
That really doesn't seem to be Microsoft's style. If I didn't know better I would say its approaching the beginning of April. :)

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#2
March 1, 2014 at 09:36:29
Have to agree with the article's author:

"...will they want to give up on those operating systems (WinXP/7) even if Windows 8.1 was made completely free of charge? I have my doubts."

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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March 1, 2014 at 22:57:47
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Windows 8 is like Obamacare. No one wants it and it's inferior to what its replacing but they're going to force it on us anyway.

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March 2, 2014 at 02:56:40
Without going into the win 8.1 article...to compare win8.1 with Obamacare - I suggest it's inappropriate to compare the two; and incorrect to claim that no-one wants Obamacare.. Ask the hundreds of thousands across USA who have no health insurance, cannot afford it - the premiums are restrictive in every sense; or if having had it found it invariably runs out, or the insurance companies cut it short/cancel it when it looks like it may cost them (the insurers) serious money. Which is not to forget those who having sold their homes, and anything else of value to cover medical bills, are left still needing care (they cannot afford or receive); and many now homeless or on minimal welfare... Many lost (or may/will lose) their jobs and thus healthcare - particularly as a consequence of mis-management of the financial industry (banks, home-loan companies); all of which were deregulated by the Republican government (and which policy was adopted here later by a certain politician...). And surprise - we have the whole financial mess we are still labouring under... Both sides of the pond… That same party opposes anything that may be of "public benefit" (shades of communism is the usual battle cry); and both that party and the insurance companies conduct a skillful and venous campaign of misinformation in their opposition to the efforts (many efforts) to establish a reasonable and viable public health care system - for "all".

Remember the thousands who turned up at the "free" clinics operated in the spirit of "pro bono" in California stadiums a few years back; and which clinics doubtless still are in heavy use.

I have retired military friends in Nevada who know their health insurance (part of their military package) runs out shortly... That when it does unless there is a public health service, they will have to sell everything they own to continue to afford "private and minimal" healthcare. His wife has serious health problems which can leave her in acute pain, and almost completely imobile for lengthy periods. She is retired airforce nurse with a very high rank; he a former hush-hush IT/ electronics type and also ex-airforce - again with a senior rank... Other close friends (husband and wife) had to sell many of their possessions to cover his medical costs, when he became too ill to work. The insurance company tried to cut back his coverage… (They had private insurance via his employer and struggled to afford it when had to retire due to ill health.) He died of prostate cancer... She is again facing battles with the company as they are cutting her coverage too..; she may end up on welfare if she fails to win her battles... Both were well educated professionals. She was, until a few years ago, a senior teacher in mixed communty school in Los Angeles; but had to retire on health grounds due to tick born Lyme disease (and that's not something you want to catch...)

Sadly the present propaganda in the USA is against Obamcare is spearheaded by the likes of Fox news, and other right wing media moguls. Almost all major media - tv not the least - is in the hands of the extreme right... The insurance companies lobby hard too and with Fox etc. seriously misrepresent how .."public healthcare" works in the UK and Canada. I have lived in both countries, worked (in academia) alongside the health system in Canada; observed the misinfo from Fox et al in the early 2000s…; have many other friends in USA who are both aware of the deliberate misinformation peddled by companies and their supporters - and the true nature of the rip off health system promoted by, and run for benefit of, the insurers.

There is one (staunchly right wing…) community in southern Utah who decry anything that suggests public/social/welfare etc… Yet they freely admit that they could not sustain their "large family" community and lifestyle where it not for the benefits they receive from the government in the form of social security, welfare handouts… They live where they live - with little or no actual employment to support them… They were part of a BBC documentary a few years back; were/are just one of several interviewed in the same vein...

Incidentally, whilst I wasn't impressed with win 8.0, from what I have observed and read of 8.1 it would appear to be much improved; and quite few people like it, prefer it - even want it... But it doesn't warrant or justify comparison with Obamacare... The latter is genuine effort to provide healthcare for all - regardless of circumstances; but venomously opposed by the insurers and their chums on the right as they see it as threat to their profits... In the UK the same forces seek to gain sway - not the least under the present (and even the previous) government... The former (win 8) is simply another attempt to to dominate the market, force end users to upgrade systems that don't need to be...; to increase profits...

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#5
March 2, 2014 at 06:26:54
Very well written article trvir. You hit it right on the head with healthcare and Win 8. I don't use either. I'm on Medicare (65) and I would have no use for Win 8. I'm more than happy with XP/ Win7 and I have a Mac laptop with Mavericks. If anyone thinks Medicare is cheap, you're sadly mistaken. It costs me over $300 a month just in premiums without meds. Try to stay healthy and save lot's of money for retirement. You're gonna need it.

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#6
March 2, 2014 at 15:38:06
I've set up Windows 8.1 my way and am very happy with it, no hankering after the old start menu or even booting direct to the desktop. I can see why some folk could have issues but all I needed to know about was files, folders, shortcuts, and mouse clicks - not exactly new. From some forum posts it seems that sort of thing is now seen as "advanced".

I tend to only "play" on the new hated start page (metro), or use at as a take off point to my favourite places. The desktop is only one left mouse click away if I need it immediately - hardly rocket science yet they belly ached about it on the original Windows 8. With 8.1 you can boot directly to it if one mouse click is too difficult.

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#7
March 2, 2014 at 22:22:02
I thought my obamacare/windows 8 comparison was apt. I didn't think I'd have to explain the obvious failings of obamacare. (Warning: Right wing propaganda ahead. Be careful, you might learn something.)

The problem with obamacare is not that it seeks to cover the uninsured but that it destroys the coverage of those who already have insurance and are happy with it. We all now know Obama's lie, "If you like your health plan you can keep it". Why do they want to kick people off private insurance and onto government coverage? Because when they control your healthcare they have near absolute control over you. It's like putting a nose ring on a bull. You tug on that nose ring and that 2,000 pound bull will do exactly what you want.

And what does obamacare really fix? Many people, probably most, who have been forced on it report they can't get the same coverage or the same coverage at the same price or the same coverage at the same price with the same deductable. Democrat senate leader Harry Reid has said those people are just lying about it:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Dec...

Kids with special medical needs are losing their coverage:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/02/12...

Many doctors plan on quitting because of it:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/r...

And after it's all said and done 30 million people still won't be covered:

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/june/...

The fact is uninsured people don't need obamacare to get medical care. You go to a hospital and they will take care of you. They will almost always work out a payment plan based on your income. If you go to a county or university hospital they can discount your bill and work out a ridiculously low payment plan. I know. I had an ex-wife who got over $100,000 of care. It was discounted to around $10,000 with monthly payments of $100. For the most part it's outpatient perscription costs that are causing financial problems and I don't know if obamacare even addresses that issue.

Up until now it's just been private plans that are affected. The next phase is to force employer provided plans--which is how most people are covered--onto obamacare. Ask yourself, if obamacare is so great why is he (illegally) putting off it's full implementation until after the 2016 elections? The answer is obvious isn't it?

It would have been so easy and non-controversal for Obama to enact legislation to just cover the uninsured but that's not the democrat agenda. They want control over you. Actual health care is secondary to that.

Grasshopper, why is your medicare so high? Last year mine was $127 a month and that included part D. You do know that Obama is pulling 700 billion out of medicare over the next decade to partially pay for obamacare:

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...

What's that going to do to your copay and even the willingness of doctors (the ones that are left) to work with medicare patients?

Trvlr, the deregulation you blame for the housing crisis had nothing to do with it. It started with Carter and later Clinton forcing lending institutions to give loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them back:

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2011/10...

The lenders' ethics in the crisis can be debated but it was democrats Carter and Clinton who started the mess.

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#8
March 3, 2014 at 07:41:45
@DAVEINCAPS, I don't see how you get coverage for $127 a month, when the government takes 104.90 out of your SS check before you even get it. My supplemental plan from United Healthcare for plan F is $130 a month and my part D through the same company is $41.00 and doesn't include meds. I worked all my life and now, when I retire, they still can't give me healthcare at a reasonable price. I'm not an Obama fan, but I'm even less of a fan of the right. There's so much misinformation in the media including the 700 billion dollar myth, that I don't even want to hear about it anymore. Believe what you want if it helps you sleep, but in reality it's not the ring in the bulls nose you should worry about. It's the stuff that comes out of the other end of the bull that's the problem, lol !!!

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#9
March 3, 2014 at 10:44:22
OK, back on topic...here's an update:

http://arstechnica.com/information-...


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#10
March 3, 2014 at 10:54:28
I don't have a supplemental plan. That's probably the difference. The 1099 form from social security shows $1,258.80 for part B and $265.20 for part D for 2013.

I know the 700 billion is debatable but I don't think there was any question Obama would put it toward obamacare. The question is whether the cuts were going to be made anyway. I don't think that would have happened. But moving them from one health plan to another makes it easier to do.

I know most poiliticans are useless but with liberals it seems like their solution to every problem just causes more problems. Whether it's obamacare or the housing crisis or Obama and his cronies printing money allegedly to get us out of the recession--which hasn't worked and will have a huge inflationary affect when (or if) the economy gets going again and that money is put into use--they never stop finding ways to mess things up.

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#11
March 3, 2014 at 12:22:22
Do remember that Republicans (Regan Administration) deregulated the entire financial industry; which "had" been regulated since before WW2 - by Roosevelt - following the debacles caused by the conduct of the big money boys (banks, investment firms and the like).

Sadly the consequence of that deregulation (liberation I seem to recall some called it) was in effect a rerun of that pre WW2 (unregulated) behaviour in the years following Regan. And even more sadly other governments (UK under Thatcher for one) copied it - all with predictable results and which are now plain to see.

One only has to drive around say Nevada (Las Vegas and suburbs for example) today to observe the consequences, the rackets/scams that operated - and to some extent still do.

And if one wanted to go back to the 60s.. there are similar tales of scams and dodgy Savings and Loans deals (with regard to home purchases); some of which were very skillfully operated in Chicago and New York City - by the big banks who support you know which political class and creed…

Sadly many US citizens are not very aware of their pre and post war history…; but fortunately there are some who are aware - and aspire to make it better than it was - for everyone…

Incidentally I have met a few Right wingers who are quite liberal and not all in tune with the current right wing party; at times almost embarrassed by it. Some even acknowledge the need for a decent universal healthcare system too. One that is not there for the benefit of the insurers and their chums in the pharmaceutical industries… - but rather the man/woman/child in the street. Several in Vegas; a few in Wyoming, one or two in Utah and Colorado… One lives in hope...

Which having said… We all have our own views and perspectives; and at least can agree to differ - without (one hopes) the thought police knocking on the door at 2.00am and taking one for a nice long rest somewhere?

So (taking a timely cue from "riider") perhaps we can call truce here and get back to the main business of the day/evening - depending on which time-zone one is in…

I still have an XP-Pro Laptop - runs fine… My Macs have both an OSX system installed and one has XP in Parallels and the other win-7 dual boot. The XP in Parallels and will remain so - and likely that Mac will get win-7 as well. The other one will simply remain as now Mac/win-7.

I can see no benefits in going to win-8/8.1. I know of no-one who has any desire to go there either…In fact the sales on pre-installed win-7 laptops has shown that people still want/prefer win-7 and many will pay a premium for them too; they're often more expensive than an win-8 laptop. This presumes of course one can still find them "out there (Skully)". I did my own research in this regard quite some months back, and again fairly recently; so I'm reasonably current there.

M$ and Apple are the business of making money; so it's in their respective interests to force end-users to upgrade in due time… Both do it by withdrawing support for earlier (and often perfectly sound by that time) operating systems; or restricting backwards compatibility (the Apple method). Which is not to say that some OS developments are not worth having; that they don't offer some gains worth having.. But if one considers Vista… - hmm. Similarly win-8 with regard to win-7 - same story I suggest…

I suggest that the main thrust of M$ with win-8 was to win over the younger set with their touch screens… Personally I can't stand them. Having had to use some of that technology in in broadcast environs - I can say it has caused - and still does cause - more problems at times than it's worth…

M$'s possible freebie is an attempt to curry favour with a seriously disgruntled end-user base. Both commercial/professional and domestic - not including the teenagers (they'll generally buy whatever is touted as the latest "must have whatever…, from whomever...").

Likely it will be so restricted in what it can do - unless one is prepared to upgrade it - it will be no more than a demo OS…; much like the version sold on many netbooks at knockdown prices...

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#12
March 3, 2014 at 13:40:44
I am 70 and I guess I am a right winger. The problem with ObamaCare is that at the end of the day there may well be LESS people insured than before.

The bean counters have already figured out it is cheaper to either have part time employees or pay the $2000 fine for NOT providing health care. The expectation is the employees will then go to the government for a plan. Do the math. Average cost per employee & family is about $15,000 per year. This trend is already happening.

Obamacare is going to be a huge drain on the federal government. The young healthy people that are needed to make it work are NOT signing up. They didn't have health care before unless it was a benefit from their employer. They aren't buying it now.

Besides, where have you ever seen any program run by the government work as predicted?


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#13
March 3, 2014 at 14:11:38
So that's where the "OtheHill" comes from…

Guess I'm well over it then - and coming round again for another climb up from the valley at the bottom… - being well past 70…

ummm… sips hot milk 'n nibbles a choccie chip cookie….


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#14
March 3, 2014 at 18:16:53
When thou speaketh of Regan REAGAN thou shalt do so with the utmost respect.

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#15
March 3, 2014 at 18:45:32
Err...Does #14 apply to Sarah Palin too?

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#16
March 3, 2014 at 19:19:38
Well, not yet. She hasn't accomplished what the REAGAN did. But she has good instincts and if she can rise above Tina Fey's hilarious but unfair caricature of her and get back into politics I'm sure she'd do a good job.

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#17
March 3, 2014 at 19:30:21
Watching the YouTube interviews I think Michael Palin was funnier, in his Monty Python days.

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#18
March 3, 2014 at 19:48:08
I never really 'got' Monty Python. They were always speaking some weird language--kinda like English but then again not like it. lol

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#19
March 4, 2014 at 09:00:47
Yeah, I think Python was British humour (often satirical) and definitely not for everyone - some Brits didn't rate them either. Possibly you have to be slightly mad to rate them.

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#20
March 4, 2014 at 19:48:18
It's been awhile since I watched any ot those shows but it always seemed like there were some inside jokes in the background and they weren't going to let us in on them, or maybe we were supposed to be in on them already. I did enjoy Cleese and Idle individually in some of their other movies and their occasional guesting on TV shows.

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#21
March 4, 2014 at 20:08:24
There's always the chance that mutual shows have jokes that are require you to be on the other side of the pond to really see what's funny. Often wondered what the USA thought of "Faulty Towers" and "Dad's Army" (if they ever showed up over there). Both were quaintly British and exaggerated a culture that was pretty darned historic even over here. Most of the Dad's Army cast were in their dotage when it was made.

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#22
March 4, 2014 at 21:30:11
I haven't heard of those shows but I'm happy with my over-the-air reception so I don't get much variety. There's probably satellite channels that show more British shows. British shows on over-the-air are usually on PBS. Seems like there was a 'Miss Marple' and 'MI6' and BBC news and a few others. I used to like to watch a comedy about medical students. I don't remember what the name was. I think it was in black and white so it probably was originally filmed in the '60's.

Oh, I just did some googling. I pretty sure it was 'Doctor in the House'.

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#23
March 5, 2014 at 12:08:46
Most of those oldies are on YouTube - not too convinced you would like the ones I mentioned (could hit the different comedy culture syndrome).

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#24
March 5, 2014 at 12:49:06
Cleese became well known in corporate circles and training companies for his very clever (and often "very" funny) training videos.

I first saw three of them in Toronto in the late 70's at a conference I was working on. Word got about (at very well attended N. Am. union conference) that they were to be played. No-one was late back from lunch - and that was the norm the entire conference… They brought the house down - and also made the points intended very clearly and successfully.

His Video Arts company set the standard for all others subsequently!

http://www.videoarts.com/services/t...

This is a link to an olde version of one his videos; and includes a link/reference to more current). And on the right of this "olde" link is a whole slew of his videos…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYn...

http://garydavidstratton.com/2012/1...


--- and this was too much to resist… (Sorry Dave…):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bles...

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#25
March 5, 2014 at 13:19:07
I attended some of the Cleese management films in my working days. The best one I reckon was called "Meetings Bloody Meetings". They eventually pulled them because they emphasised the negative. Not so sure the real reason was that they were too darned funny.

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Oops, just seen that one of your links goes to MBM. Pity the full version of the old one isn't around, that short preview is too chopped up to follow.
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#26
March 5, 2014 at 14:55:01
I think there is a link to the later version there as well.

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#27
March 5, 2014 at 15:22:33
You have to sign in I think - something I generally avoid.

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#28
March 5, 2014 at 15:30:21
Ah...didn't actually go there. And like you I generally avoid "sign in here" sites too.

There some websites too that require (insist) one use a Facebook account to gain access etc... I avoid Facebook and similar like the plague...


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#29
March 5, 2014 at 17:10:59
Moving back on topic - I found this:
http://www.techradar.com/news/softw...

Kinda hints at something a bit like the old start menu.

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#30
March 6, 2014 at 18:39:50
I have no idea what planet you come from but you are sadly out of touch with reality. Just like all the Democratic liberals it is easy to give away what other people work for. Medicare is not cheap unless you have some free welfare funds from your hero, Obama.

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#31
March 6, 2014 at 18:54:31
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Might have made more sense if you had said what response number that was directed to.

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Since you've written in, I happen to be from the UK where we have a national health service. I've been lucky, very healthy all my life and hardly a day off work (now retired). That means that over a lifetime of work I've paid in a fortune and got nothing out of it. However, I don't regret my well earned money going to those who have been saddled with illness. I'm much happier to have been me than them.

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#32
March 6, 2014 at 23:22:01
Since obamacare is such a big story he may have found his way here with a google search.

I know that much of Europe has national health care and sometimes obamacare is compared both positively and negatively to health care there. But I don't think it was instituted in Europe with sinister intent. But I'm sure that's why they're doing it here. Democrats have wanted national health care here since FDR even though it wasn't necessary. Problems were worked out by the free market and yes, government regulations. But obamacare is not about health care; it's about control.


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#33
March 7, 2014 at 04:18:18
The poor folks in America have never been without health care. They have just used the Emergency room as their primary care physician. I don't see that changing.

If congress really wanted to control health care costs they would look at tort reform.

Watch daytime TV and see how many lawyers advertise there. They tell folks to call them so they can "get them their money". The ads hawk cases bragging about how much money that Tom, Dick or Harry law firm got them.

That needs to change.


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#34
March 12, 2014 at 13:20:39
As this post has now gone off topic, something lacking surprised me today. Google's home page is often mentioning anniversaries (even for odd ball numbers of years) yet they haven't picked up on the invention of the world wide web, exactly 25 years ago today. I would have thought this would have been of particular interest to Google.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...

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#35
March 12, 2014 at 19:34:02
Yeah, even Al Gore overlooked the anniversary of his invention.

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#36
March 13, 2014 at 13:16:59
That's probably because it's not Aug. 23, 2016.

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#37
March 13, 2014 at 18:00:38
That's odd, THIS article says the date is Oct. 29, 1969.

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#38
March 13, 2014 at 18:52:26
I think #37 is "Internet" and #34 is "World Wide Web". There's a subtle difference, www hypertext and all that.

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#39
March 14, 2014 at 19:32:56
It is surprising how many people confuse the WWW with the Internet as if the were one and the same thing. It is difficult to put a date on the start of the Internet as it evolved over a period of time from the 1960s onwards. It was the invention of the WWW that made public access to the Internet possible. Prior to that is was a closed system, accessible mainly to academics and scientists and you had to be bit geeky to get anything out of it..

I did manage to hack myself into Lancaster Universities computer in the late 1980s. Not for any nefarious reasons, I just wanted to download a copy of Kermit which I knew they had.

While we on the history trail it is interesting to note the the British National Health Service was conceived during WWII under a coalition Government led by a Conservative Sir Winston Churchill. It was implemented in 1948 under a Labour Government led by Clement Atlee

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#40
March 15, 2014 at 03:13:03
There was a time when the "well off/privileged" felt a somewhat natural responsibility or duty to those less well off/privileged. With apologies to the late Sir Harold Macmillan for not quoting him accurately (verbatim) he is on record as saying that, those who are more fortunate in life have a duty (of care) to help those less so (or words to that effect).

He has been described as the last of the caring Conservatives... And was Member of Parliament for Stockton on Tees, a very working class area at the time... He was much respected there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold...

Sir Winston Churchill was another of similar mind... Also it's said that he promoted the "tea break" as part of the working day...

Churchill also was one of the very few politicians who left office no richer than when he entered. Unlike most (certainly over the years since Churchill) he did not profit financially from his terms in office; left it some say the poorer for it. Cannot be said for the likes of many of his successors (both major parties)...

Compare the above figures to those have succeeded them in politics since the mid-late 60s "both" sides of the pond...

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#41
March 16, 2014 at 21:01:44
The ability of politicans to 'feather their nests' both during and after their terms in office has made a joke of the concept of public service.

Private sector philanthropy has always been encouraged by tax breaks but the hackneyed mantra, "the rich aren't paying their fair share" has reduced much of that but even so, conservatives tend to give more than liberals:

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists...

That difference is especially noticable in the tax returns of recent presidential candidates:

http://harndenblog.dailymail.co.uk/...


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#42
March 19, 2014 at 08:18:31
Wow..... Just read all of the last 40 posts... and there's quite some interesting stuff in there!
but maybe comparing Win8.1 to Obamacare pushed it off track...

At any rate, making it free 'might' increase usage of it, but there'll still be most people who could care less and stay with Win7. Free software isn't always better. It's also possible that it could turn into a Linux-y example, but that's even more far-fetched for Microsoft than them deciding to start manufacturing cars.

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