Solved Installing obsolete OSs on modern real hardware, not virtual

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December 24, 2015 at 20:28:03
Specs: Peppermint 5, 1.5ghz cpu, 3.5gb ram, 1366x768 display
my system specs are this -
http://jaysarma987.xxxpart.com/file...
is there any old OS that would work on this machine?

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#1
December 24, 2015 at 21:10:32
The quick & simple answer is NO. If you wanna run an old OS, run it on old hardware.

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#2
December 24, 2015 at 22:27:22
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Geez, what is all that stuff? The motherboard or system model would have been sufficient.

It's always a matter of drivers. If drivers for the hardware exist in the OS version you want to install then yes. If not (and almost certainly not in your case) then no.


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#3
December 24, 2015 at 23:56:45
Totally agree with riider. Driver limitations prohibit most older versions of Windows. RAM and HDD limitations prohibit DOS. To a degree it's easier to run a newer OS on old hardware than vice-versa.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#4
December 25, 2015 at 02:04:05
:( :( :( :(

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#5
December 25, 2015 at 09:39:01
What's with the frownies? I don't know what it's like in your country, but in the US, most people are happy to get rid of their old computers. Many will just give them away or sell for next to nothing. Do you have anything like Craigslist or Freecycle?

You've said you're not very familiar with hardware, so why not try building a system out of old parts to gain some experience? Socket 7 systems were around for quite a few years so the parts should be plentiful. An Intel Pentium 233Mhz MMX (or AMD K6-2), 128MB RAM & an early generation Geforce card will easily run Win95/98/ME & play all the old DOS games you might have. I was into 1st person shooters so I played titles like DOOM, Heretic, Hexen, Quake, Unreal, Blood, Duke Nukem, Half-Life, etc on a system with similar specs.

http://www.amd-k6.com/platform-hard...

https://ancientelectronics.wordpres...

EDIT: I forgot Shadow Warrior in my game list.

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#6
December 25, 2015 at 15:22:33
"... but in the US, most people are happy to get rid of their old computers.

And I wind up with about half of them.

Seriously, most of the hardware here that's more than 5 years old winds up in landfills/recycling or is just given away. It's better to keep the hardware for the software that it's meant for instead of trying to shoehorn something into a newer (or significantly older) system than what the software was meant for.

I would think that there would be a plethora of stuff available for you jaysarma if you're really involved in IT as much as you suggest.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#7
December 25, 2015 at 16:01:58
"And I wind up with about half of them"

I think I end up with a large portion of the other 1/2, lol.


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#8
December 25, 2015 at 16:48:07
what's wrong with Virtual machine?

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#9
December 25, 2015 at 22:34:27
sluc, virtual machine is messy with 98SE. thats the reason.
hey guys, riider, t-r-a, dave, i have a old laptop for this! its Lenovo G410, LCD damaged, touchpad damaged, keyboard damaged, battery damaged, but the remaining piece is just, awesome. i tried it with external monitor, keyboard, mouse and it works great, except boot screen shows in my damaged lcd as a white screen (so no reinstalling old os, there might be ways that i dont know though). the lcd sometimes works when hit hard, but hardly for 10 secs. and hardware is costly here, so its just, unrepaired. if this could also be set to work, i ll be very much thankful.

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#10
December 25, 2015 at 23:05:09
Where I come from we call that junk. There must be thrift stores, goodwill, garage sales, etc. where you're at, although it's hard to find anything older than a P-4 anymore. Most of the really old stuff is long gone.

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#11
December 25, 2015 at 23:44:35
Win 98SE runs just fine on my VMware player.
And I can easily exchange files between Host and Guest.

A lot easier than using junk hardware...


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#12
December 26, 2015 at 01:54:26
yeah, thats the solution i need. running a working 98SE, fast, stable. i posted for help and everyone tried to help but no solution came out. :(

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#13
December 26, 2015 at 02:11:27
If I remember correctly, you insisted in a previous post "no suggestions to use VMWare". You would be wise to relax that constraint.

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#14
December 26, 2015 at 02:20:14
yeah i did ijack, but ultumately no solution came out, and i had to switch to qemu, but qemu aint working in my peppermint 5.

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#15
December 26, 2015 at 06:41:21
"hardware is costly here"

That's because you're messing with fairly recent hardware. The Lenovo G410 you mentioned is only a couple of years old. If you want to run an old OS, use old hardware. And stay away from laptops, concentrate on old desktops. I highly doubt a 1999 "vintage" computer would be costly, even in your country.

I'm curious, do you ever click on any of the links we post for you? It sure doesn't seem so.


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#16
December 26, 2015 at 19:02:30
"...i have a old laptop for this! its Lenovo G410..."

Too new for DOS/Win3.x/9x (as riider states).

For old O/S's (not ran virtually) follow this guideline:

DOS/Win3.x : CPU: 386sx16 to 5x86-133. Maximum RAM: 32MB. Maximum HDD: Partitions 2.1GB-Total 8.4GB (Machines before late 486 class have BIOS limits on HDD support).

Win95: CPU : 486DX66 to Pentium 166. Maximum RAM : 64MB (workarounds needed for more---up to 256MB). Maximum HDD : 32GB

Win98se: CPU : Pentium 200 to PII-450. Maximum RAM : 256MB (workarounds needed for more---up to 512MB-possibly 1.5GB). Maximum HDD: 128GB (with workaround)

If you can't stick to these limits, you'll need to run them virtually.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."

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#17
December 26, 2015 at 19:30:25
thank you t-r-a, for the specifications :)
and riider, yeah i do click on each and every link thats given to me. but the two links you posted along with the name of the games, the hardware thing, that i didnt understood. socket 7, chipsets, and aladin or wtevr lol sounds funny at times, but regarding the hardware thing, i m really sorry sir.
looks like its time to play with desktops (i ve had two laptops and a notebook in my life - no desktops, maybe thats why i dont know anything about hardware). now theres a furthur more complicacy -
I stay in Dibrugarh, Assam. its a small state in the northeast of india. technologically too backward to even imagine. my classmates and neighbours and even my dad call me "computer jerk". and people are too backward here, so maybe its hard to find old hardware in here.
the ebay thing, someone has to sell these old hardwares on ebay india, but nobody does. there are rarely other third party sites though, that i feel hard to trust.
i wanna do computing but my place doesnt suit me :(
any idea where can i get pieces of old hardware, and what should i collect?

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#18
December 26, 2015 at 22:03:14
You shouldn't have a problem with 98 on P-3 machines. I installed 98 on numerous P-3 machines. You may be able to use it on very early P-4s also. But again, check for driver support on the motherboard or system support page.

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#19
December 26, 2015 at 22:24:16
"...may be able to use it on very early P-4s also. But again, check for driver support on the motherboard or system support page."

Which is precisely why I kept those limitations where they are. Newer "iron" also came with newer peripherals that weren't supported by older O/S's. Beyond 500MHz/256MB of RAM I would consider "Win2K/XP territory"

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."

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#20
December 26, 2015 at 22:40:26
"...any idea where can i get pieces of ld hardware, and what should i collect?" [sic]"

Assuming you meant "old hardware", the "where" part is little we could do anything about. I always believed that India was relatively high on the technology scale for countries in the middle/far-east (allowing systems to be upgraded frequently); perhaps my view is too skewed.

As far as the "what should I collect" I'd have to interject a degree of caution...having once had dreams of rebuilding systems (collected from scrap sales for a company I used to work for). I had a desire to turn these over for profit in the late 90's and early 2000's, but the technology advanced far too quickly for me to do so---thus I couldn't justify selling a rebuilt 486/Pentium system for the price of a new (at the time) Pentium II or III system. Thus I wound up with hundreds of systems I couldn't get rid of. They're just now beginning to pick up again (parted out now for other people keeping vintage systems running). So my word of caution is this: stick with one or two systems {of the era I indicated above} or you could be found digging yourself out from under a mountain of "junk" just as I have. Just my unsolicited 2ยข worth...

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."

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#21
December 27, 2015 at 00:26:02
yeah i did meant "old hardware", it was a typing error and i corrected it.
and your view is right, technology gets upgraded to soon, but also gets rejected soon, and there is no disposal management on these things too. no matter what internet says, bad phones and pieces of hardware are thrown along with food wastes! they dont just sell it, people lacks in this art of conservation.
delhi, mumbai, bangalore, and much of the more bigger cities are developed enough, they are technologically cool.
but i am saying about assam. my province. its bulls--- (in respect to computers). big mess.

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#22
December 27, 2015 at 07:48:47
"socket 7, chipsets, and aladin or wtevr lol sounds funny at times"

Every motherboard has a socket that the CPU fits into. Socket 7 was used for Intel Pentium 1, AMD K5/K6 & K6/2, & IBM/Cyrix CPUs. The motherboard also has a set of chips (aka chipset) that manages the data traffic between the CPU, memory, hard drive, graphics, peripherals, etc. In the socket 7 days, the most common chipsets were made by ALi, Intel, SiS, & VIA. Here's a chipset guide from the late 90s:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/72

Whenever there's a major change in CPU technology, there's a new socket & new chipset to go along with it, & many times there's also a change in memory type. What you should do is decide on a generation that you think you can find parts for & then do some research to find out which components work best together.

Here's some links covering early graphics cards:

http://www.maximumpc.com/from-voodo...

http://www.tomshardware.com/picture...

BTW, I thought you said you were into old DOS games? You never heard of the games I listed? Those are some of the hottest 1st person shooter titles from the late 90s. Most can be found for free these days & there are even clones made for Linux or you can run a DOS emulator.


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#23
December 27, 2015 at 07:57:02
Given what Wikipedia says about Dibrugarh, I would think that there should be several schools/hospitals/industries in the area (meaning that they would have a good deal of obsolete systems to dispose of). I live where the local town's population is less than 1000, and I get offered old stuff quite frequently (which I am now, fortunately, able to turn-down). The key is to make contacts with people who have the knowledge of where older systems are being disposed of. Local ordinances here prohibit the "dumping" of (what we call in the US) e-waste, so the best option for most (besides recycling) is to find someone who's willing to take stuff. But as I mentioned before, be cautious of getting in far too deep...you could wind up being more than just the "computer jerk" your friends and father claim.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#24
December 27, 2015 at 09:02:07
schools? lots. but schools are not like friendly enough. teachers have a ego because of their high degree. (except some though, those are my fav and they know im into assembling old parts now).

hospitals? monitors and stuffs like ecg and rest, are they capable of running windows? i never heard assembling a PC set from a hospital! LOL. im young though, u guys are exprrienced, maybe its possible. gotta find.

industries? wikipedia says, industries?? theres no industries in dibrugarh town. i think u read about "dibrugarh district" (yeah both varies, dibrugarh town is a part of dibrugarh district). the nearest place that has industries stuff is bokul, lahoal and others, which is 15km away from dibrugarh town. not possible.

school idea was good, but if i tell them "i need old hardware...." theyre gonna shout "security, throw this fatso out of here" LOL.

hospital thing, might work. my sister's friend's cousin is a nurse in AMC (assam medical college), she might help out.

and industry is a bad, bad idea.
thanks a lot t-r-a for the follow up :) that means a lot.


riider, these are the games i own -
duke nukem 1, duke nukem 2, duke nukem 3, doom, quake, wacky wheels, dangerous dave (96kb! lol), suppalex, tmnt, estar, deadly race, omf, street fighter, and nfs1. not all are 1st person shooters that i play, though ny favourite among all that i mentioned is duke nukem 3d, except for the fact that it has adult content. i put a random password and turned parental guide on forever. LOL.

and thanks for the links. now i see, socket 7 were the places where CPUs were fitted, and a compatible CPU for the socket 7 for 98SE would be great, right? and the chipsets that i need to collect?

never mind, topic s getting diverted. i ll later post a new question regarding this assembling hardware thing.


allow me to say, you guys were great and you guys are great and you guys will forever be great. thank you all for your follow ups :) appreciate a lot. never thought i would end up in a place with nice and helpful people like u :) :) bye

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