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January 15, 2021 at 11:40:03
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Hello all,

I'm writing with an important announcement about Computing.net. On February 1st, 2021, the site will no longer accept new messages, and attempts to post messages will redirect to this thread. It will effectively go into read-only mode. On March 1st, 2021, the site will go offline. I know this might be shocking and sad news after over 25 years, so I will explain.

Over 25 years ago, I started this site with the intention of learning about the Internet (it was still new at the time) and computers in general. It was just a hobby project. Over the coming years, it took off and grew in ways I could barely even imagine. The site grew so much so in fact, that by 2009, it was one of the largest sites of its kind on the Internet.

However, as time went buy, the concept of simple forums seemed to fall out of favor. Search engines like Google viewed them as lower quality, sending them less and less traffic. Instead, more hybrid type systems such as Stack Exchange came into favor. Computing.Net adapted slightly, but always tried to remain a forum-based system. Trying to change to a hybrid likely wouldn't have worked well either, given the history and style of the site.

Today is very different from 10 years ago. The site is about 2% of the size it was back then in terms of traffic. It is now in an untenable position whereby the model has fallen out of favor, but the needed hosting, maintenance, compliance, etc hasn't changed much. The only way to potentially "turn things around" would be by completely changing the entire site and how it operates. This may or may not work, but it really would go against the spirit of Computing.net over the past 25 years.

To all the many users who have used the site over the past 25 years: it has been a remarkable ride from the humble beginnings to now. I am truly awe-inspired that this thing has been going for a quarter of a century. Its honestly amazing. But now, I'd rather see the site go offline while it is still something to be proud of for all who used it than watch it disappear into oblivion through the process of atrophy.

I truly thank each and every person who used the site and made it great, and I can't wait to see what the (now not new) Internet becomes 25 years from now.

Thank you again,
Justin Weber


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January 16, 2021 at 07:30:35
Hello all,

I have been going over all the possible scenarios and situations in my head for about six months now. Something like simply transferring the site or hosting to someone else (or archiving the content in some other fashion forever) is something I considered. However, there are quite a few terms of service and compliance issues with that. I can't just take content people put on the site expecting it to be on a site like this, and change the way it works. This is especially true with a lot of the new laws related to personal internet usage being passed both in the United States and abroad. It would also be the same with just giving a "backup" of the content to another person like sluc to host or whatever. Of a lesser point is the fact that the site is not simply a series of HTML web pages, its a fairly complex web application. That is manageable though, the terms of service issues are what the real sticking point is.

To answer Jeff Root's question, I have not sold the domain no. However, leaving it in read-only indefinitely presents the exact same terms of service issues outlined above. Also, since its a web application and not just a series of static pages, its not really read-only per-se. It would still be a complicated system requiring close to the same hosting, maintenance, compliance that is untenable now. Its obviously a bit less, but not significantly so.

I do greatly apologize if I sound dismissive of the ideas presented, I definitely don't intend that. Its just these are things I did consider. I hope my answers to the points shows that. If anyone would to Private Message me for more detailed explanations, I can certainly provide them.

Thanks!
Justin



#1
January 15, 2021 at 12:16:11
Oh dear. That is sad.

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#2
January 15, 2021 at 16:03:25
Very disheartening. Wish there was some way to keep it running. While the traffic may have fallen, I'm sure a lot of folks consider it a valuable resource.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#3
January 15, 2021 at 16:06:48
You have done very well to keep it going for 25 years Justin.
All the best for the future.

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#4
January 15, 2021 at 16:52:42
Is there no way to keep it running; even if it meant a notional fee for a year's membership say?

I regard CN as the best forum I've come across. There was another which was reasonably close but it went heavily commercial and became expensive to join/access too. And another sadly I've lost all references to it; it had one or two regular from here on it as well - and it "was" like CN free to join/use.


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#5
January 15, 2021 at 17:16:15
Hello,

Charging a fee is an interesting idea, but its also something I have a bit of experience with for some projects we did a while back. In almost all cases, the overhead of managing something like that far outweighs any proceeds you would receive. Ironically anyway, the same reasons that the site has issues now (drop in traffic) would make a fee not work either.

People just generally don't expect sites like this to cost money, and I tend to agree with them. I think the business model of advertising supported informational sites is sound, its just the dynamics of the types of sites that get the most traffic has shifted over the years.

Thanks!
Justin


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#6
January 15, 2021 at 21:15:46
Can I host the site? just to keep it alive for those old schools?? ;-)


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#7
January 16, 2021 at 03:33:22
This is so sad :-( This is my main site to go if I have Excel questions. This site helped me so much in my career.

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#8
January 16, 2021 at 04:05:48
I have posted here for about as long as I've used any forum
over the years, because in many ways, this is one of the best
run forums I've ever participated in. Lots of good content,
minimal (or zero!) squabbling over decorum or rules.

If sluc is capable of hosting the site, that seems like a
reasonable idea. I was co-sysop (system operator) of a BBS
(bulletin board system) in the 1980s-1990s, and have an idea
how difficult it is. I couldn't take it on. I hope that sluc
or someone else can.

In any case, I wonder how big an archive of the entire website
would be. Maybe one that includes the private messages, and
one that omits them, which could be public. It could even be
published electronically and get its own ISBN (international
standard book number).

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#9
January 16, 2021 at 05:45:10
Is there is a way to preserve access to the many and invariably well thought out, and "very" helpful posts/solutions?

Likewise there are several "regulars" here with whom I would like to retain contact. Each of them is a specialist in their own areas - and have been invaluable on occasions to those lesser well udukayted 'n informed


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#10
January 16, 2021 at 07:13:10
Is there any reason the site can't remain here as read-only
indefinitely? Did you already sell the domain name?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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January 16, 2021 at 07:30:35
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Hello all,

I have been going over all the possible scenarios and situations in my head for about six months now. Something like simply transferring the site or hosting to someone else (or archiving the content in some other fashion forever) is something I considered. However, there are quite a few terms of service and compliance issues with that. I can't just take content people put on the site expecting it to be on a site like this, and change the way it works. This is especially true with a lot of the new laws related to personal internet usage being passed both in the United States and abroad. It would also be the same with just giving a "backup" of the content to another person like sluc to host or whatever. Of a lesser point is the fact that the site is not simply a series of HTML web pages, its a fairly complex web application. That is manageable though, the terms of service issues are what the real sticking point is.

To answer Jeff Root's question, I have not sold the domain no. However, leaving it in read-only indefinitely presents the exact same terms of service issues outlined above. Also, since its a web application and not just a series of static pages, its not really read-only per-se. It would still be a complicated system requiring close to the same hosting, maintenance, compliance that is untenable now. Its obviously a bit less, but not significantly so.

I do greatly apologize if I sound dismissive of the ideas presented, I definitely don't intend that. Its just these are things I did consider. I hope my answers to the points shows that. If anyone would to Private Message me for more detailed explanations, I can certainly provide them.

Thanks!
Justin


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#12
January 16, 2021 at 07:45:36
No blame or criticism attached to you Justin. Times change and sadly some things get lost in the passage thereof. But this site will be sorely missed.

Incidentally a lot of the earlier posts - pre a pruning you carried out some years back - is actually on an archive site. I may have that link somewhere. That archive does have the information in each archived thread in toto. Perhaps the same will happen with the post pruning info anon?


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#13
January 16, 2021 at 09:50:29
Remember when the site looked liked this? http://archive.vn/uBtr8

I started using this site in the late 90's. My original registered name was jam - a jumbling of my initials. I posted so much that I ranked #1. Derek has since bumped me out of the #1 spot. I went thru a bad stretch in my life & my anger filtered into my posts causing me to be banned. I pleaded with Justin for another chance & thankfully he was merciful. I came back under a different name for a while - mickliq - which was a username I managed for my friend's liquor store. I then changed again, this time to my current name - riider - which is for my love of riding on 2 wheels, be it bicycles or motorcycles.

I have sincerely enjoyed the time I've spent here. It's been an almost obsessive pastime for me for many years. I've learned a lot & hopefully I've given back more than I've learned. I'd like to thank Justin & all the regular contributors out there for putting up with me. For the most part, we've all been civil but I realize my frustration showed at times. It took me a while to learn to just drop out of a thread rather than continuing & returning to "jam-mode". 😁

There's a few users that I've PM'd with regularly or at least semi-regularly that I'd like to thank in particular - in no special order - OtheHill, jboy, SkipCox, grasshopper, kuwese

kuwese's passing hit me particularly hard. He was young & left this world far too early. We PM'd each other quite often & I enjoyed discussing computers, movies, the differences between life in Africa vs life in the US, girl problems, etc. He couldn't fathom how I could tolerate life in the NE snowbelt & didn't understand why anyone would want to live here, lol. When his PM's & posts abruptly stopped, I knew something was up. 😢 RIP young man.

To Justin & all the others out there that I didn't mention - it's been a blast. I wish you all well & long life.

Thanks!

riider aka mickliq aka jam

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#14
January 16, 2021 at 09:51:54
As a contributor, I am sad to see the site going away for one very selfish reason:

By answering questions, almost 100% in the Excel related arena, I have expanded my Excel and Excel VBA knowledge tremendously. My current work environment is not as Excel-intensive as some of my previous jobs, so my only avenue for growth was to research answers for others. If any of the people that I have helped over the years think that I simply "know" the answers to the questions that I have helped with, they are mistaken. So many of the questions that I have answered required research, testing and even reaching out to real experts for help.

Sadly, my opportunity for further growth through this site will be gone in a couple of weeks.

I'm an old usenet kind of guy. In fact, I still participate in a couple of usenet newgroups, mostly related to my other hobbies, woodworking and home repair related matters. In those newsgroups, I help when I can by answering questions, but I grow by asking questions and tossing ideas around. In this forum, I grew by answering questions, specifically by having to figure how to get Excel to meet the requirements of others. Sure, I can probably find another forum that will fulfill that personal need, but the simplicity and "small town feel" of this forum is what drew me in.

Justin: It's been a pleasure being a member of this forum and a member of your team of moderators. I wish you the best in all of your future endeavors.

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#15
January 16, 2021 at 11:37:58
Justin,

It's been a wonderful experience and I will miss the site.
It's been a real pleasure and I wish you the best.

MIKE

http://www.skeptic.com/


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#16
January 16, 2021 at 12:12:12
This is the archive site I found way back when...

https://web.archive.org/web/2000061...

You can slide the calendar back to the first day or whenever; and view everything on any day you choose.

I thought I was there as lms97 but it seems it was LM-S...; maybe I was there as both at different times (changed my tag).

I hope the present CN gets into that same archive; as there is treasure trove of info there already; and wha't here (at CN itself) today is even more so...

Just checked the link I've posted and it does - when you use computng.net in the search box of course - show "everything" from day one to early January 2021. If you click on the January 4 or 5th 2021 it will tell you the page is still active online..; so it looks like it is continuously updated archive and so on... It is of course read-only

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#17
January 20, 2021 at 11:05:04
What will happen to the domain name computing.net?
When does it need to be renewed? Will it be renewed? Will
it be sold instead? What will happen when someone tries to
go to computing.net six months or a year from now?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#18
January 20, 2021 at 12:55:01
It's been a darned good ride Justin. Thanks for being such a darned good driver too.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks

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#19
January 20, 2021 at 14:52:30
Its all been said above so I will just say it is sad. riider, you will always be #1 in my opinion.

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#20
January 20, 2021 at 15:54:23
Re #19

Yeah, amen to the bit about riider too

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#21
January 20, 2021 at 16:23:03
Dear Justin,

I have used Computing.net for several years; the quality of the moderators is unsurpassed. I would be more than willing to pay a subscription fee to continue this valuable service for those who do not possess the skills of your great moderators.

Thank you,
Brian W


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#22
January 20, 2021 at 18:12:48
Sad. Not a good thing.

Back in the heyday, in the most popular OS forum at the time (windows 95/98) we could easily get a page of new questions a day. That's around 100 in one forum in one day. As newer OS's came along it didn't seem those forums could keep up that rate. I wondered then how long computing.net could last.

Is CN still associated with Tom's Hardware? Will they still be around?


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#23
January 21, 2021 at 00:03:11
There are several here, moderators included who more than earned my respect over the many years I’ve been using CN; I been “here” since the late 90s under first one and then another tag.

Quite how I got to #9 in rankings is beyond me, as I’ve never chased those in any forum etc.; and know there are many here with know how which surpasses my modest knowledge.

I shall miss that invaluable resource...


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#24
January 21, 2021 at 02:46:06
"...how I got to #9 in rankings is beyond me...."

Yep, same here. How I made it to 27 is pretty surprising, given that my forte was DOS, Win3.x/9.x. I only have a couple machines with those on them now, and rely on a tablet, phone, and Win7 notebook for most daily stuff.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#25
January 21, 2021 at 04:28:51
Maybe the top guns were on furlough, or taking a break some in the warm 'n sunny...

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#26
January 23, 2021 at 13:29:45
Wow!

I am sorry to hear this Justin.

I first arrived at computing.net in 1998 with a Windows 98 issue shortly after it was released. I found computing.net thanks to a search engine (probably 'dogpile', google wasn't invented yet) and got help with my issue. I looked around and saw I could help and did so. I've been hanging around and helping ever since.

It's been a slice for sure Justin...........thanks for everything.

Thanks to all the rest of you who've made Computer.Net what is, a great place to get some quick help from knowledgable people!

:)

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#27
January 23, 2021 at 14:18:33
Dogpile... now that does bring back early memories....

I’d forgotten all about it, but it’s still going strong.

Currently I favour DuckDuckGo in place of google; will investigate using dogpile again too.


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#28
January 23, 2021 at 14:46:12
"...will investigate using dogpile again too."

Stick to DuckDuckGo. Dogpile has trackers from Facebook and Google.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#29
January 23, 2021 at 14:49:54
Since we've touched on nostalgia, anyone remember these helpers?:

Doofus (from Australia)
Terry Kaduck (from Pennsylvania)
Gerrard (from Paris)
jabuck
aaflac44

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks

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#30
January 23, 2021 at 14:56:07
@T-R-A...

tak for the hedzup re’ doggie trackers...


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#31
January 23, 2021 at 21:55:43
Derek, do you remember Mesich? I think he was the one who would retire for the night and drink a particular brand of beer. (I can't remember what it was.) We used to kid him about it. He had a windows help website and put some of our comments from here on it.

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#32
January 24, 2021 at 07:13:45
DAVEINCAPS
Yes, indeed. Mesich was one of the live wires around these parts. Long time ago.

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#33
January 24, 2021 at 09:48:39
I do indeed remember Mesich. I wonder what happened to him (or her)?

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#34
January 24, 2021 at 11:20:36
As a final chuckle, I ran into this post from long ago:

https://www.computing.net/answers/w...

Not only did the OP get the wind taken out of his sails, but I wonder what happened to a lot of the posters from that time...

I had just started a new job at a place I really hated (not the case now) and noticed how sardonic my responses were....

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."

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#35
January 27, 2021 at 11:26:58
I use a site for my astronomy and telescope interests which is called Cloudy Nights Forum. I could be wrong but I got the impression that they MIGHT be interested in having an additional sub forum for computers. After all, they have gardening and I forget what the other one is. You might want to check that site out (very friendly). If this might be helpful you could contact CBwerner who is an administrator on CN and see what he says.

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#36
January 27, 2021 at 13:03:10
I have seen references to Cloudy Nights over the years,
but never tried to go there. I seem to be able to handle
only two fora at a time. A couple of years ago I went to
Reddit to fact check something in a book I was editing,
and I got stuck in a subreddit called HelpMeFind. People
want help finding so many interesting things! It's just
fabulous! And so time-wasting! And they link to so many
photos and videos of kittens and puppies! KITTENS AND
PUPPIES!!!

So I'm finally undeniably addicted to the Internet after
about 35 years of online messaging. Minnesota Space
Frontier Society BBS, FIDONET, GEnie, USENET, Bad
Astronomy/Universe Today/CosmoQuest. I think I've
forgotten a couple.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis


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#37
January 28, 2021 at 11:42:05
Hello fellow CN members. I'm so sorry to hear that the site is closing. I was very active on the site until about 5 years ago when my wife died. I still check in from time to time, but haven't been real active. I would like to take the time to give my Special thanks to everyone one here over the years. The knowledge I acquired from you guys and gals has been immensurable. I enjoyed every minute of my time spent here. I met a lot of very cool and knowledgeable people here over the years. I would like to thank you Justin for all your time and effort and dedication, and for creating this site. A special thanks to Riider for mentioning me in his post. I too was very close to Kuwese until he was tragically killed in an automobile accident. A brilliant mind gone too soon. OtheHill has also been a wealth of knowledge. Actually, you all have been, and too many to mention. I thank you ALL and wish you the best of luck in the future. I will miss you ALL.

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#38
January 28, 2021 at 12:39:00
Hey grasshopper LTNS. Sorry to hear your news. :(
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Some names from the past for sure.

I remember Mesich and Doofus...........don't remember the others. Clicked on the old thread link posted by T-R-A and actually LOL'd

User "jefro" Now THAT name brings up some memories. He was a world class idiot. At least, in the networking forum. I had it out with him on numerous occasions and finally after discussing it with Justin, told him to stay the heck out of the networking forum completely under threat of banishment.

I got so tired of deleting his stupid responses I had to do something. The threat of permanent banishment seemed to work the trick as after that he stayed out of the networking forum.

Now, he may have known something about something in another forum, but he knew nothing about networking and not once did I see him say anything correct unless he was parroting an earlier response of mine.

I had to look and it looks like he last commented on something back in 2012. Which is likely around the time I had him expelled from "Networking". Thanks for the memories, and the laugh! :)

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#39
January 29, 2021 at 10:17:40
I was going through some old bookmarks, and it turns out I did so just in time to say farewell to the site. It's sad to see it go, but that's the way the site was trending for years. I mostly used this site to work on my scripting skills, got to know VBScript better than I would have otherwise, and drifted away when those topics stopped being interesting to me.

To everyone who remembers me and cares, it's been fun.

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way


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#40
January 29, 2021 at 11:40:42
There is the Alumni list which T-R-A has compiled for those wishing/willing to keep in touch, and help as when needed.

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#41
January 31, 2021 at 00:43:25
So long, and thanks for all the fish answers.

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#42
January 31, 2021 at 07:34:43
Justin, thanks for the memories.

I have been coming here to while away the time and hopefully contribute something. I learned more than I taught. I feel like I know many of you although we have never met. I have PMed a few over the years. When I first came here I took the handle OtheHill because I felt old at 57. 20 years later I am old, turning 77 next month. I am not going to mention individuals I feel I know, because I would miss many.

Anyway, today is the very last day to post here so I am saying goodby to many cyber friends.


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#43
January 31, 2021 at 08:10:43
Again - many thanks Justin for what has been an excellent site; and likewise many thanks to all those who contributed to it - and on more than one occasion helped me out too!

I think we all owe you a genuine coffee and cookie at least; or tea 'n cake... Actually a "H.." of a lot more...

If you have (can retain) our contact details and ever start another forum - perhaps let us know?

Meanwhile, wish you and yours safe and well (and permanently clear of the COVID and other pests).

Cheers,

trvlr


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#44
January 31, 2021 at 09:38:54
I did not get an answer to how big an archive of the
entire website would be. It appears that essentially
everything here is about to be permanently lost,
when that could be pretty easily avoided.

I'm certainly willing to pay a few hundred dollars for
a copy of all the posts, in order to preserve them.
I know they are worth far more than that, and I have
no interest in making money off of them.

I just finished editing a 176-page book for a friend
which consists mainly of letters and postcards he
wrote and mailed to his mother while he was in the
US Air Force during the Korean War. His mother
saved all of those letters and postcards. If she had
not, he would not have been able to write the book.
His letters are not all tremendously interesting, but
taken together, they tell a great deal about his life.

We have something even bigger here, telling the
lives of many people around the world, and it looks
like it is going to be discarded. This is much, much
more than just sad. In this time when we are losing
so much else due to the pandemic, we don't need to
just throw away something we have.

I worked for over a year on my friend's book, for no
compensation but the reward of producing a finished
book that anyone decades or centuries in the future
should be able to read. I am not wealthy. But I'm
certainly not poor, either. If necessary, I could pay
a couple of thousand dollars to preserve what has
been written here. I am dying inside at the thought
that most of it is going to be lost forever.

At least I want to know that someone has made the
effort to preserve it, even if I can't access it.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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#45
January 31, 2021 at 09:56:16
Jeff’s idea has merit. So often what appears to be no-longer valuable or relevant to later times, is found to be anything but; is realised to have value. Hence archives of books and photos, films are created and persist.

I’d be willing to chip in a few pebbles, cowrie shells or other suitable currency support to help preserve what has been amassed since those early days when Justin started CN...


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#46
January 31, 2021 at 10:40:12
will miss this site :(

this site is going out. i can't believe it. i have so much momories of this site since college. everything just, gonna vanish in march 2021. can't... sad :(

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#47
January 31, 2021 at 14:44:11
Just to say (if it's not too late) cheerio to Justin, and all the helpers and posters I've interacted with over the years. It's been a long time and at one time I practically lived on here. I'm from the UK and I even developed a USA body clock, although it's some time since I saw the sun rise on here.

Not sure what exciting thing to do next. So much to chose from. Let's see, the paper clips are a bit dusty so I'll clean those up for a start. Then I could clap my hands at the pigeons and so forth.

Good luck for the future everyone and hope this darned covid soon goes away ..... bye.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks


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