Ever wonder what was in those POS machines?

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July 14, 2011 at 08:54:19
Specs: Win7, E7500 / 4GB
And no I don't mean POS as in Piece Of $#!7, I mean Position Of Sale. At the moment at work they are going through a lot of old stuff and throwing it out, in a pile of scrap metal and shelves I noticed one of the computers used at the checkouts so I grabbed it curious about its hardware.

Well here are the specs for your everyday POS machine: AMD K6-2 300 with 32MB of ram a floppy drive, a lot of odd ports for cash registers, bar code scanners and those little green displays and NO hard drive. I'll see if I can load windows on it for fun, but It seems to check the floppy drive and then go straight for a network boot. Since there is no network it just stops. There doesn't seem to be an option to enter the BIOS either. It has a key lock to stop you from opening the case though, but I'm sure the Flathead screwdriver / Hammer solution should work fine heheh. Its an IBM 4694, I'll do some tinkering and see whats what tomorrow.

Mattwizz3
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#1
July 14, 2011 at 12:26:26
All you're telling me is you've found the PC from an older POS setup. I haven't touched a POS in over 6 years now but the last one I did touch was pretty new and the POS device was connected to a PIV computer.

You have to remember too, you don't really need a lot of horsepower to run a POS device right. It's not like runnign an Oracle server or something.......lol.

To enter BIOS, press F2 during boot sequence (as per following link):

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docvi...

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#2
July 14, 2011 at 15:17:36
Not to nitpick but I think they are called Point of Sale.

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#3
July 14, 2011 at 17:31:17
Point of Sale is correct!

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#4
July 14, 2011 at 20:50:05
Ah yes, Point of Sale. Same difference ;)
Yeah I realise they dont need much power, considering the system our store is text based, pretty sure a 33MHz 486 could handle the job.

I'll see if I can put in a HDD, some more ram and put win 2K on it.

Mattwizz3
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#5
July 15, 2011 at 07:43:00
If it's a 486 I think I'd put Windows 98 on it. 2000 probably wouldn't even install and if it did, it wouldn't run worth mentioning.

In fact, I'd grab a copy of DOS or an older copy of Linux and put it on that.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#6
July 16, 2011 at 09:20:55
I think Windows 2000 would work on it. Based on this:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304297

The computer might just be able to run it.

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#7
July 16, 2011 at 22:25:39
Its not a 486, its got a 300MHz K6-2. I was saying the software they run is text based and a 486 could handle it. I'm putting in a HDD now and will see If I can get windows on it. Although I dont have any windows disks other than Vista and 7 so I might try a linux live CD for now.

(UPDATE) Well I installed a SATA raid card, a 320GB HDD and an extra 128MB of ram. I am able to get it to boot a old version of knoppix. It seems to work fine, just have to splice some sata power connectors to its single molex plug. Should be a bit of fun.
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#8
July 18, 2011 at 07:45:11
RMT2

There's a world of difference between installing an operating system on a computer, and having it be useable and useful.

While you might be able to shoehorn 2000 on a 486, it would run so terribly slow so as to make it unuseable. However, I don't think you could actually get 2000 on a 486. The link you posted shows the spec's for 2000 and it says quite plainly in there the minimum requirement is a Pentium 133 with 32 MB's of RAM (64 recommended).

There's a world of difference between a Pentium class CPU and a 486 of which I suspect you are unaware. I did once install 2000 on a Pentium 166 with 128 MB's of RAM and it was too slow to be worthwhile so I quickly killed it and put 98 back on that PC.

Windows 2000 (Server, Advanced server and Workstation) all ran like a dream on my PII machines back in the day. But again, there was a big difference between a Pentium CPU and a Pentium II class CPU.


mattwizz3

Its not a 486, its got a 300MHz K6-2

My bad, please excuse me. In your previous post you said:

Yeah I realise they dont need much power, considering the system our store is text based, pretty sure a 33MHz 486 could handle the job.

and for some odd reason I forgot you had said in your first post "AMD K6-2 300 with 32MB of ram" and thought you were using a 486........lol.

You just reminded me, the PC my wife was running when we first met was an AMD K6-2 300 MHz.......

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#9
July 18, 2011 at 07:54:03
I have to figure out the jumper settings on the motherboard.. I just put in a 550MHz K6-2 that I had but obviously it is still running at 300MHz without changing the multiplier settings. UGH, will be next to impossible finding settings for an obscure M/B like this..

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#10
July 18, 2011 at 10:17:59
matt

Post the model number of the motherboard.


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#11
July 18, 2011 at 20:49:08
Cant seem to see any distinctive model numbers on the m/b the specific model number of the system is: 4694-245

There are 2 part numbers on stickers on the board:
"ASM P/N: 42L0295"
"IBM FRU P/N: 42L0303"
The number directly below the main riser card on the M/B is 00-0505

There are date stamps that range from early 2000 to 2002.
Thanks for your help.

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#12
July 19, 2011 at 06:58:37
The 42L0303 number yields lots of hits. Look at the links below.

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/retail/pubs/hw/4694/bks3mst.pdf

http://www.cygnussupply.com/


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#13
July 19, 2011 at 08:37:50
Thanks OtheHill but there was no information there on jumper settings. I made an educated guess on which jumpers to change and through trial and error it is now running at 450MHz. Win 2K should hum along nicely, I recently replaced a HDD in my main rig so the IBM will get a nice fast 500GB SATA drive (I have a SATA controller for it) and its apparent maximum of 256MB of ram. Win 2k should run fast on that anyway. XP would even be bearable, but not interested in doing that.

This beast will get a 17" LCD too and live in my shed, which is completely solar powered, YAY. Can test out my new pure sine 1500W/3000W inverter.

Thanks for the help!

Mattwizz3
P35-DS3R
4GB DDR800
E7500


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#14
July 20, 2011 at 07:48:38
There's a formula for calculating the settings on a CPU. I'm not sure if it differs from one manufacturer to the other but if you used the formula, I feel confident you could get it to run at the correct speed.

Try googling: calculate CPU clock speed and do some reading/research.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#15
July 24, 2011 at 01:14:46
Windows Enbmled can run on POS not Win2k because Windows 2k uses more memorary than Windows Enbmbled.

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