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Discuss: Windows 10 vs 8

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October 3, 2014 at 05:56:13
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Hi all,

This week's poll question is about news that the next version of Windows will be called Windows 10. Discuss here if you think Windows 10 will correct Microsoft's mistakes with Windows 8, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.


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October 3, 2014 at 07:27:37
It is early to say if Microsoft is taking the right road, i.e. protect the well known PC environment for desktops and laptops aimed to people that use computers to perform daily work while extending it to the new world of mobile devices as tablets and smartphones.

After all Windows 10 (or eventually Win X to anticipate iOS X...) remembers the steps to include mouse support to the early DOS command line interface; now the efforts are oriented to support touch screens via the tiles of MUI.

At the moment Windows 10 seems to include natively the facilities offered by third party tools, e.g. Start8, to feel more comfortable traditional computer users.

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October 3, 2014 at 07:37:30
"if you think Window's 10 will correct Microsoft's mistakes with Windows 8"

Objection, your honour - counsel is leading the witness!

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October 3, 2014 at 07:54:52
So, more interesting question. How'd they get the name Win10?

Win1.0 - Win3.11: Traditional software major/minor version.
WinNT3.1 - WinNT4.0: Traditional software major/minor version, starting at 3.1 because of Win3.1.
Win9x. Win2000 - Win2012: Year of release.
WinME: Millennium Edition, because of the year 2000.
WinXP: "It's the Windows eXPerience." Okay, fine.
Vista: There were 2 popular code names for this version, both of them were vistas. I think. Been a while.
Win7: "Vista's internal version number is 6.0. Therefore, the next version will logically be 7!" Microsoft: "Okay, fine." (Win7's internal version number is 6.1)
Win8, 8.1: Emulating traditional software major/minor version.
Win10: ???

Initially the talk was of Win8.2, which would be Win8, but with ModernMix and Start8 built in. Then MS said they wanted to distance themselves from the Win8 brand; that there was too much bad press to rescue the name. So people started calling it Win9. I'm not sure why they jumped to 10, other than to spite the press talking about Win9. I'm not sure that's the real reason, but it'd be hilarious if it were.

Rumors still say Win10 will be a free upgrade from 8.1, much like the original 8.2 talk. That makes the jump to 10 even stranger. Rumors also say 10 will be the last major version released. From now on, it'll be smaller, free updates akin to the 8.1 (and 10) update.

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October 3, 2014 at 13:50:59

Probably to distance themselves from 8 by adding 1 and going to double figures.

However if you try hard it is possible to see Win 8.1 as an upgrade from Win 8. Not sure if MS still support plain Win 8 with updates but until industry shouted foul they tried to give you only a month before they finished. It was about put in the same boat as XP after no time at all.

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October 3, 2014 at 15:02:34
Win2012 has a collective roll-up of updates every month. You either apply the whole thing or you don't.

Win2012 R2 is same as above, but each roll-up requires everything that came 120 days before.

I know why Microsoft wants to do this. MS has to support every (semi-)legal patch combination possible for whatever SP level you're at. That's a lot of testing for even the simplest update.

It was considerably less complicated back in the day when the policy started. Service pack updates were released months apart. NT4 had 6 service packs over 4 years. 2000 had 4 over 3 years.

Then WinXP SP2 changed how the general populace thought about the service packs. For some reason Microsoft had a real hard time telling people service packs are just all the updates that came before. Suddenly, MS found itself releasing patches every month, and having to support every combination of those patches going back 4 years.

Vista and Win7 was designed for the frequent service pack model as well. That's why you could only clean up the WinSxS directory after a service pack update. In practice, MS released a WinSxS cleanup utility for Win7.

With Win8, MS decided frequent service packs weren't going to happen, so why do them at all? So how do you control patch complexity? By forcing every patch, no exceptions. After all, that's how Apple does it, and Microsoft was in the middle of its Apple envy. It does greatly simplify testing. Who cares if the update breaks your application? It was probably a bad application to begin with.

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October 8, 2014 at 08:38:37
Oh, hey. Plausible explanation for no Win9. Too many programs were doing version checks in the worst way possible. These programs were looking at the version string. If they ran across "Windows 9" they assumed Win9x.

I'm not sure how they got the version string. WMI gives you a string, but I believe all of the native version functions return a number.

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October 8, 2014 at 10:12:23
Many websites quote this about the number skip:
"But Microsoft went instead with Windows 10 because they wanted to signify that the coming Windows release would be the last "major" Windows update".

Here is one:

Having said that I've yet to find those words being said by MS themselves, although maybe it is out there somewhere.

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October 9, 2014 at 15:51:31
Yeah, I did see a youtube video by Tek Syndicate about how legacy programs were confusing the version numbers.

I do think that it was a smart decision on Microsoft's part to move on from the Win8 name.

Last Monday, I brought my Win10 disc to school and installed it on a junk machine in Computer Tech. Everyone was really impressed (none of them had heard of it apparently) and almost every single one of them said it was so much better than Win8, way easier to use, better performance/stability etc. after using it for a while.

The odd thing is, I really don't find it that much different.

Sure, they have made a few UI tweaks, such as Continuum, the start menu, 4 way snapping, multiple desktops, etc. but other than that I personally feel that the experience is almost exactly the same.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Microsoft, I fully understand that this is a very early beta and that many changes will happen along the way.

My point is that I am truly astounded about how bad the PR Win8 has. My good friends, who are all quite knowledgeable about various technology, somehow decided that they absolutely hate Win8 with little to no experience with it, yet love Win10. I can't imagine how the general public feels!

I just hope Microsoft doesn't get too afraid to innovate after all of this, I really liked the direction they were going.

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October 9, 2014 at 16:43:41
Yeah Win 8.1 is fine - basically had a bad name because of a lack of the Win 7 style start menu - arguably sad. What gripes me is that those who MS encouraged to go to Win 8 will presumably now be neatly dumped the way Vista folk were, but this time purely for marketing reasons.

I should hope Win 10 would be an improvement though, otherwise there's no point in producing it.

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October 10, 2014 at 09:46:45
"Too many programs were doing version checks in the worst way possible. These programs were looking at the version string. If they ran across "Windows 9" they assumed Win9x."

Didn't think about that. Well, besides the fact that almost all the programs I have that have compatibility for Win9x won't run on W8/8.1 anyway. I usually have to run it in a virtual environment.

At the same time bringing the start menu back will probably make all those people who thought upgrading to WinXP was a big jump happy.

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October 10, 2014 at 10:22:35
Re #10

I've not had much trouble running 32 bit programs on my 64 bit Win 8.1 but a virtual environment of some sort is clearly needed for 16 bit stuff, although many of these should run on 32 bit Win8/8.1.

Mostly I've been able to find alternatives or get up to fiddles to run the rest without a full virtual environment. For example all the old MS games are running just fine, such as Hearts, Spider Solitaire, Chess Titans etc). I can even run Donkey Kong etc in DOS box as well as GWBasic. That takes me back in history quite well enough and includes most of what I used to run on XP.

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December 31, 2014 at 06:07:33
I think Windows 10 will be much better, cause 8 version have some troubles in finctions, like Vista was.

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December 31, 2014 at 06:45:22
I don't think Windows 8's situation can be compared to Vista.

Vista was bloated and didn't run well until hardware development caught up with it.

Windows 8 (well 8.1 at least) is a good system but with an interface that PC many users disliked.

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December 31, 2014 at 07:05:57
Rumours has it Windows 10 will be the last commercial version.
MS plans to make windows open source afterwards.

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