Discuss: Soldiers and Facebook

March 5, 2010 at 06:58:26
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Hi all,

This week's poll question is about the news that a soldier posted secret attack plans on Facebook. Discuss here if you think soldiers should be banned from the service while in the field, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.

Thanks!
Justin


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#1
March 5, 2010 at 07:29:37
I don't know about the US military but in the UK if a soldier posted future plans on the Internet he would likely be facing charges under the Official secrets Act.

I don't think it is up to Face book to ban serving soldiers, but the military should ban soldiers from using such in services. To be honest I think any self respecting soldier would ban himself when in the field just on the off chance they might say something damaging. The only communication a soldier needs in the field is with his friends and family and Email is more than adequate for that. If he wants more immediate communications then there are plenty of Instant Messaging services available but not Facebook.

Stuart


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#2
March 5, 2010 at 10:29:02
Funny you mentioned Soldiers & Facebook. While this may not be related to the discussion here I thought of sharing with you something about the Soldiers & Social Networking.

HERE is the Department of Defense (DoD) memorandum that spelled out the guideline for social networking for the soldiers. Keep in mind one important exception: To guard security, the policy allows commanders to temporarily cut off access if necessary to safeguard a mission or reserve bandwidth for official use.

I guess the next DoD memorandum we will soon be reading is the Secretary of Defense directive to all branch of the military to abandon the 17-year-old "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

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#3
March 5, 2010 at 11:19:01
I'm sure if this happened with the US Military, the very least punishment would be a Courts Martial.

Oh, and No. I don't think our Soldiers, Seamen, Airmen, Coasties, or Marines should be banned from Social Networking sites.

LIR


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March 5, 2010 at 18:10:02

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#5
March 5, 2010 at 19:51:55
I don't think they should be banned but if he is posting (leaking) information, ignorance is no excuse, that is an act of treason and should be dealt with swiftly.

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#6
March 6, 2010 at 04:55:35
As long as he doesn't leak it to Geraldo Rivera, we should be OK.

That idiot would put it on Fox News.

One of the most obvious facts about grownups to a child is that they have forgotten what it is like to be a child.

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#7
March 6, 2010 at 06:11:32
I have to agree....I think the soldiers should be allowed.

My stepson is deploying out to Afghanistan in October. While we're more likely to communicate via email, it would be nice for him to be able to view family/friends pictures and such on FB (for example) while he's away.


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#8
March 6, 2010 at 10:39:51
Curt, only the Soldiers should be allowed? :)

LIR


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#9
March 6, 2010 at 15:09:10
@ seawatch1 yeah Rivera probibly would but then he would set out to spend a year or so digging up the desert to try and find Binladins vault or bookie or something equally stupid.

Likely


I want to go like my grandfather did. Peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming at the top of my lungs like the passengers in his car.

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#10
March 6, 2010 at 17:15:03
Banning facebook now would be like banning letter writing in 1960 or talking over the fence in 1910. Might be a better idea to educate instead. And punishment? It must fit the crime; 10 days in the stockade/brig is inappropriate. Prison or a shooting squad is.

There is absolutely no excuse when a brave young soldier is lost because of this sort of thing.

Unfortunately however, many of our top Generals and Admirals are not combat experienced so don't be surprised if some of 'em jump on social networking instead of working weapons and good body armor as a fix.

Teaching responsibility, honor, duty is the fix here.

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#11
March 6, 2010 at 19:43:01
"Unfortunately however, many of our top Generals and Admirals are not combat experienced so don't be surprised if some of 'em jump on social networking instead of working weapons and good body armor as a fix." I totally disagree with that statement. The highest ranked military in this country get that way partly BECAUSE of their war/conflict/combat experience; not despite it.

LIR


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#12
March 6, 2010 at 23:42:24
Don't get me wrong Jennifer; I have great respect for our military and what they accomplish. But the real accomplishments are mostly due to the fighting men on the ground. They're the ones who sleep in the sand and rocks, the ones who eat MRE's, the ones who swelter, freeze and do without showers for a month. And they still do their job.

I wasn't talking about them.

I'm talking about most of the top brass who have not fought and commanded in actual combat. Example; in Vietnam 60,000 soldiers did the fighting and a half million fed and otherwise cared for them. Now those 60,000 combat soldiers had a pretty experienced officer corp left over from WWII and Korea to command at the regimental and division levels. But, time passes and the good Colonels and Generals of the 60's and early '70's are all gone.

In the '90's, the military had to nearly start from scratch. The top brass was worried about where their next star was coming from and not worried about taking care of their men. I think we civilians call them politicians. You don't have to take my word for it; talk to some of the actual combat vets from the Gulf, Balkans, Haiti, or Somalia.

We're finally getting some good commanders from the '90's with the horsepower to make a difference now. It's taken 15 years to get these men in that position.

Anyway, back to the Facebook thing. That sort of conduct very seldom comes from a combat soldier or an officer. Betcha a dollar, it'll almost always come from a rear echelon serviceman who's trying to impress someone back home. That's always happened ("loose lips sink ships") and removing or restricting access to social networking ain't gonna change it.

In the link jam posted, the IDF chose to call off the raid; that was the right move and I'd sure like to think the US would do the same. Only I wonder sometimes after Navy SEALS and Marines hit the beach in Somalia to find it defended by CNN and the rest of the world' press...and lights...and cameras...and satellite dishes.

The top brass that thought that one up are the kind I was referring to in my last reply.


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#13
March 7, 2010 at 20:57:27
I wonder how different this world would be if some horny young Japanese pilot had posted the plans for the attack on Pearl Harbour on "My Space" days before that attack happened? I am betting the first person killed by the Imperial Navy would have been that pilot. What this person did could have cost many lives. For what? To impress a girl? Or was he trying to pass on info to the enemy? We will never be honestly told regardless. Either way it was an act of treason and is still punishable by death. If it wasn't treason then this person has proven such a lack of common sense that he should be put down before he can reproduce. I was a total nobody in the service, never took part in any war or anything that most would consider a serious event and even I new you don't blab to everybody what you are doing. Heck I knew there were some things you still didn't talk about later and I was a high school drop out.

Something tells me though this kid will be shuffled off to some duty station that nobody else would want to go and the hole thing forgotten about.

Likely


I want to go like my grandfather did. Peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming at the top of my lungs like the passengers in his car.

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")


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#14
March 8, 2010 at 07:26:40
Curt, only the Soldiers should be allowed? :)

Correction:

I should have said, "everybody serving overseas" :)


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