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April 22, 2011 at 06:02:28
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Hi all,

This week's poll question is about news that the Pope has said that people cannot attempt to use technology to become more like God. Discuss here if you think this is actually a problem, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.

Thanks!
Justin


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#1
April 22, 2011 at 06:31:28
Why would that question even arise? No one would ever think that in the first place. Is it time for a new Pope?

How do you know when a politician is lying? His mouth is moving.


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#2
April 22, 2011 at 10:10:52
Is he saying I cannot imprint my brains algorithms onto a cpu thereby making myself imortal at least until my psu dies? Or is he saying doctors should not use computers to map and diagnose the human body to improve the life span beyond the few frail years we have been given? Or is he saying he thinks the budget cuts should start with NASA??

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#3
April 22, 2011 at 12:39:27
The question is predicated on a false premise that people might actually want to be more like something that probably doesn't exist and is little more that a figment of an over fertile imagination.

Sort that question out first then we can start talking about technology.

Stuart


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#4
April 22, 2011 at 14:40:51
Well let's for the sake of argument say that he does exist. Somewhere in the bible it says he made us in his image. Just looking around my own neighborhood I see a lot of images I really do not want to be anything like. Can technology help me keep that from happening and will this then make the pope happy?

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#5
April 22, 2011 at 17:44:24
There are too many people that think they are god or personal messengers of god. They should be eliminated first.

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#6
April 22, 2011 at 21:11:45
I get to keep wearing my tinfoil hat though right????

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#7
April 23, 2011 at 06:03:06
StuartS

There is no debate.

God is real to the people who have faith and believe. Just because you don't doesn't make Him real.

I could as easily say, "Prove conclusively God does not exist"

You can't.

Sorry bud.........this arguement has raged as long as man has had religion. The best thing one can say is, you choose to believe what you wish to believe and I'll do the same and ne'er shall the twain meet.

As to the question itself......

I didn't know anybody was using technology to "become more Godlike". I use it to make my life easier and to entertain myself.

Methinks the "Vicar of Christ on Earth" doth protest too much. Sounds to me like he doesn't like the competition. You are all aware of the pope's status within the RC church right? He's God's right hand man on earth and has a red phone that connects directly to the big guy Himself. I suspect he worries we won't need him if we become more Godlike ourselves.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#8
April 23, 2011 at 07:38:20
Curt,

It is true I cannot prove conclusively that God does not exists based on the irrefutable logic that you cannot prove a negative. Therefore, the onus is on those that say he does to prove the positive.

It would be nice if ne'er the twain shall meet were applied in all circumstances, but when people try to dictate government policy and legislate for morality based on their religious beliefs, then the twain has met. It happens all to often. but thankfully, not as often as it used to.

This is what is worrying the Pope, His power base is dwindling and he can see it happening and there is not a lot he can do about it. It is a process that started when Gutenberg invented the printing press. The process has continued ever since and IT is just another step in that direction.

Stuart


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#9
April 23, 2011 at 11:29:20
Mwahahaha.... Having a conflict between technology and religion is ok but... Of course, some people think they have one, so I guess they just have never used a computer before. ;)

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#10
April 23, 2011 at 15:22:57
The way I always remember it is this:

"By faith, I believe that God does exist."

"By faith, you believe that God does not exist."

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#11
April 23, 2011 at 15:44:03
"By faith, you believe that God does not exist."

That's fine. So as far as I am concerned that puts God on the same footing as goblins, fairies and werewolfs.

You don't need to faith to believe a negative, you need evidence to believe otherwise.

Stuart


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#12
April 25, 2011 at 06:23:08
It would be nice if ne'er the twain shall meet were applied in all circumstances, but when people try to dictate government policy and legislate for morality based on their religious beliefs, then the twain has met. It happens all to often. but thankfully, not as often as it used to.

That's a pet peeve of mine.....religions messing in politics...........or just religious people who figure because they thing something is wrong or immoral they have a right to make every behave, and think, as they do.

I believe we should all be allowed to do what we want as long as it does not harm or injure anybody else.

This is what is worrying the Pope, His power base is dwindling and he can see it happening and there is not a lot he can do about it. It is a process that started when Gutenberg invented the printing press. The process has continued ever since and IT is just another step in that direction.

Odd you should mention this........lol...........I just saw CBS Sunday Morning (my wife always watches this show) and they had a bit on technology and religion and mentioned how even the invention of the press was accepted hesitantly by the RC church....because now the average Joe could read (and interpret) the Bible himself and not need some ordained priest to interpret it for him.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#13
April 25, 2011 at 07:46:28
I believe we should all be allowed to do what we want as long as it does not harm or injure anybody else.

That is the only philosophy worth thinking about.

Stuart


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#14
April 25, 2011 at 18:48:49
As far as believe and faith I believe politics is nothing if not corrupt. One corrupt politician corrupts the entire system. One saint involved in politics is living on misguided faith. Faith that he or she can change things.

I believe that organized religion is the first attempt at organized crime. Any and all religions have persacuted and or murdered those that did not wish to be members of their religion or that simply had different beliefs.

I have faith that in the United States there are no larger gangs than organized religion and the political government. Both have robbed this country for their own personal gain.

None of this by the way has anything what so ever to do with my beliefs in god. God has never founded a religion men do that and everything that comes with them.

Sorry just my 2 cents. Yes I am one of those that will easily lose control when it come to religion and poitics.

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#15
April 26, 2011 at 09:47:48
wizard-fred:

They should be eliminated first.

Who died and left you the right to eliminate anybody's constitutional rights?


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#16
April 26, 2011 at 10:14:23
Uhhhhhh I am thinking that would be Jesus Christ. He did die for our sins right? Or so the bible tells us.

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#17
April 26, 2011 at 12:23:28
Who died and left you the right to eliminate anybody's constitutional rights?

I am not as familiar with the American Constitution as some people around these parts but I am pretty sure that there is nothing in it that says that people have the right to think they are God or personal messages of God. Quite opposite in fact. That bit about all men are created equal pretty much precludes anyone trying to be God.

Stuart


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#18
April 26, 2011 at 13:24:06
Hmmmmmm.. So if I follow the constitution I cannot then aspire to better myself? To become more than what I am? I do agree though that there is nothing in the constitution about becoming god, godlike, a message or messanger of god. However it does not specifically say that I cannot either. In fact I don't even think it states this in the bible. I do seem to remember something about not following a false god but that's not the same thing as becoming god.

On a side note has anyone else noticed that a politician only has use for the bible or chooses to speak on morals or religion when he or she is begging for your vote? I liken it to one mob family saying it will get along with another if you pay them protection money.

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#19
April 26, 2011 at 14:14:05
Stuart.


First, that bit about all men being created equal is in the Declaration of Independence, and I think you are quoting it out of context at that. The actual quote is:


all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights

In this republic those rights are protected. People have the right to be stupid and deluded - so, yes, the constitution does protect the "right" to think you are God's personal messenger. You can marginalize, ignore, and disagree with anybody you deem a fruitcake. It's your right. But taken to an extreme, you (that is a collective you) cannot silence (or worse) anybody because you don't agree with them.

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I personally think that God spoke to mankind thru the resurrection of Christ and that the biblical canon is closed. But feel free to disagree wtih me. :)



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#20
April 27, 2011 at 01:03:11
Uh........ok but what about my tinfoil hat? Can I still wear it or is that going to get the pope all p'o'ed too?

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#21
April 27, 2011 at 06:50:14
"...people cannot attempt to use technology to become more like God." This IS a conservative Roman Catholic, after all. As one who suffered congenitally from Roman Catholicism (until I was miraculously cured at the age of thirteen through the power of thought) I know the rubric well. The technology that the Pope is passionate about here, is reproductive technology: everything from condoms, to contraceptives, to amniocentesis. Closed case, no room for argument.
Meanwhile, the technology of genetically modified food (a technology which is pitched as enabling another generation of unchecked, therefore pious, reproduction) continues to fluster the Church. It seems to fit the rubric like a glove, in a culture whose compromise dogma on evolution is, "God guides natural selection". On the other hand ;^) , wealthy and politically dominant American lay Catholics, the conservative Church's reigning champions, love anything that will increase their wealth and power, so...what's poor "guter Soldat Ratzinger" to do?

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