Discuss: P2P Download Monitoring

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September 7, 2012 at 05:42:54
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Hi all,

This week's poll is about news that monitoring of P2P sites like The Pirate Bay has been going on for longer than originally thought. Discuss here if you think you've been monitored, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.


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September 8, 2012 at 02:09:40
You probably won't get many responses to this. Who's going to admit on a public forum that they've been downloading illegally?

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September 8, 2012 at 06:01:43
Personally, I haven't done this. I have always presumed that someone somewhere is watching what I do online. Seems like a safer although paranoid plan.

:: mike

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September 8, 2012 at 07:48:36
Not all torrents are illegal, although the majority are. P2P sites are supposed to mask you IP address, but they often times don't. There are ways to do this stuff if you want to do your homework.

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September 8, 2012 at 10:31:47
Yea, I am not a gamer but I understand game patches are offered P2P because everyone wants the patch at the same time. That is legal because the provider of the patch approves.

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September 8, 2012 at 10:55:56
I'll have you know that the 240 files I downloaded last month were all Linux distros! And they have the .mp3 extension so that I can trick my carputer into running Ubuntu!

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September 8, 2012 at 20:45:07
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September 8, 2012 at 21:35:24

You're a lot less paranoid than you think. The majority of businesses, especially the bigger ones do in fact log all traffic coming in to, and going out of their networks. This means every website an employee visits is recorded. That's not to say they have a team of people going through the logs, that would be counterproductive in that if you have several hundred employees, it would take almost the same number of people to view the employee logs. But, they are there (the logs) in case it ever becomes necessary to look into an employees behavior at work.

Also, all email is stored on one or more servers on the internet and if your company has it's own servers (heck, even if they 3'd partying that work off on someone else) all your work emails are also logged.

As far as monitoring illegal file sharing sites..........they're more than welcome to as far as I'm concerned, I don't frequent any so it's no skin off my behind. You only have to worry if you're breaking the law.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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September 9, 2012 at 05:10:13
Which way will you choose?
Paying 50 bucks for pirate copy of WIN 7 or download yourself from thepiratebay?
Paying 10 bucks for pirated movie DVD or download yourself from thepiratebay?

These are choices we have in most third world countries. Most people now can afford a cheap computer but can't afford copy of windows and office, we simply can't pay the big amount asked for by software firms.
20 - 50 bucks for legal copy of Windows and office(separate), do we have a deal or not? if not i will get it for free from thepiratebay.

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September 10, 2012 at 13:27:55
the above post says, -not going to get many responses as most won't admit to downloading illegally-, i really actually thought that everyone has used audio galaxy, kazaa, bearshare, and now the popular utorrent sites, etc, etc, etc,

back in early 2000, i would read people aol profiles, and yahoo profiles and they'd have listed their hobbies, a lot of people would mention their massive movie collections and music collections and i'd always wonder how in the world could they afford to own 1500 audio cd's and as many dvd's,

i think i first heard of p2p sharing when i was at a very young girls house in 1999, she was very young, about 16 and i was friends with her friends older brother and i was about 3+ years into pc repair, etc, and troubleshooting the win os issues at the time,

i noticed she had constant music playing and i said wow, you have a lot of music copied to your pc, did you get all that from the jukebox at your moms work and just return the cd's back or what,

and she said, they are mp3's, which at the time i only noticed what i used myself and knew that vid clips and sound clips were usually downloaded in mp3 format, etc,

and i said, wow, so you converted from cda to mp3?

and she said "no idiot, i downloaded them that way"

I said HOW and she said I used napster you twit,

that's the summer of 99, when i first found out about this massive p2p thing

i was on dialup at the time even though cable was avail. i thought it was all pure bunk, and the bursts were not that great to even bother with paying 50 a month for, 1.5-3.0mbps,

i watched her download a song in about 10 minutes on dialup, and she had over 20gigs of music, i was totally amazed at my ancient web knowledge,

i guess i was more into hardware/oem software issues and not into the WEB culture that much other than cserve and usenet type forum blogging,

i instantly realized how people had thousands of complete cd's and movies,

i immediately ripped out my 10 gig hard drive and put in a 40 gig that was about 80 bucks on sale, maxed out my ram double on my 344mhz 1997-monster machine and ordered cable internet,

I was amazed by the speeds and ability to consume massive amounts of yummy data, I was watching endless movies and documentaries, and downloading massive piles of music I had lost touch with over the years that were sold in exclusive stores from bands all over the world that only produced a demo and one followup if lucky,

I found all the rare things I loved, so much so that I had to cram in another hard drive, at the time a PC 80 gig drive was massive and a few people were rigging raid decks to quickly store massive amounts of data from p2p sites cropping up here and there,

I bought cases of cd's and began ripping and storing massive amounts of data on discs, i downloaded and uploaded 24/7, from napster and audio galaxy, napster was rumored to be in trouble so everyone was in a hurry and panic'd,

audio galaxy gave you complete albums and discog's to download,

i actually burnt myself out in about 3 years,

i had a room fulla hard drives and cds boxed and stacked all over on shelves,

i felt stuffed, couldn't stand to download and burn another thing,

then there were the obscure p2p morpheous type clients and i began on my software quest,

i ended up not even liking music anymore, my tastes in video and music greatly changed, i ended up setting most if not all of my massive collection of stuff out for the garbage man, and it was greedily grabbed and toted off,

I now only can stand to listen to a few different genre's of music, and very obscure rarely heard cultural//tribal music,

my taste in video is mainly sci fi and informational documentaries as i can't stand anything else,

i would say the greatest thing about p2p now is when some hard to find driver is needed or you need something to mod into a workable driver//etool to do your job, or whatever you'd call it,

being constantly wired to the cloud give me netflix which i have that collection then at hand for a low low monthly fee, and i have endless free radio stations on a constantly cloudy day here, and wherever i roam,

so for me, p2p is almost dead, other than when i need something not found for free//shareware open source and it just has to be oem to get something to communicate,

in time, i feel and believe that there will be all encompassing software able to solve complex troubleshooting issues and mod its own packages for us, and we will pay a low low fee for that cloud app, that will have an endless index of services offered, and music and tv, etc, etc, will always be avail in the same fashion and it will be a hard time for certain aspects and genres currently struggling as i type this,,,,

sorry this is so long and so hacked up, but i'm just thinking out loud as i type,

thanks for the time,,,,,

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September 10, 2012 at 14:04:17

I'm tempted to email you all the capital letters you seem to have dropped on the floor.

Not that I'm a grammar cop or anything but, compare your post to the others. Doesn't yours look odd? Isn't it a wee bit harder to read?

It certainly doesn't look professional.

Now if you could just find a piece of software to correct your lousy grammar.............

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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September 11, 2012 at 07:40:40
Curt R

I would agree. logs are almost never reviewed unless there is a crisis.

:: mike

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September 11, 2012 at 13:10:19
Curt R, usually I include a "please forgive all grammatical//spelling errors encountered".

I am a writer so usually an editor reviews my writing/submissions.

I also happen to hold a position of authority; any clues that might be given according to my "usual" style of syntax cannot be compromised due to my admitting I'm an avid pirate.

Sorry if was hard for you to read, according to the responses I've gotten thus far though no one else is concerned with the things as you are, which is my spelling and grammar.

SO to all the CURTS: please forgive any spelling//grammatical errors you might encounter whilst reading my posts, thank you!!!

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September 11, 2012 at 13:28:15
Why not just use the spell checker. I didn't read your thread for the same reasons.

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September 11, 2012 at 18:45:35
I have a friend who downloads files regularly from the torrents, mostly music & movies. This friend doesn't resell the music or movies, they are strictly for personal use. Anyhow, this friend was recently contacted by his ISP & informed that they had been notified by a copyright owner about a possible copyright violation involving the friend's account / IP address. The ISP made it very clear that not only is copyright enfringement a crime, it is a violation of the ISP's acceptable use policy. There were no threats of terminating service, but the friend was "urged to stop". This friend is aware of the so-called "6 strike policy", this being the 1st strike. I'm sure this friend will continue using the torrents but will be much more cautious in the future.

Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan

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September 12, 2012 at 07:31:25

That was an extremely entertaining response etoolz65

I am a writer so usually an editor reviews my writing/submissions.

That's a reason to not write properly? As excuses go, that's a rather lame one. I guess it's a good thing you don't pay someone else to wipe your butt for you or you'd smell pretty bad on their days off!

I've met a few writers and the one thing they all had in common was an excellent command of the language and for the most part, impeccable spelling, grammar and punctuation. So if I find it hard to believe you're an actual "writer" you'll have to forgive me.

I also happen to hold a position of authority; any clues that might be given according to my "usual" style of syntax cannot be compromised due to my admitting I'm an avid pirate.

Most excellent! In a position of authority AND a writer AND an admitted thief. I guess in your shoes, I'd be worried about someone recognizing me too because you'd definitely lose respect. Well, not from me, I have no respect for thieves at all....ever.

Sorry if was hard for you to read, according to the responses I've gotten thus far though no one else is concerned with the things as you are, which is my spelling and grammar.

I may have been the only person who originally commented but I would suspect that may have something to do with nobody else feeling the need to repeat what I said. I'm guessing that even though you are a writer in a self proclaimed "position of authority" you must not ever read much of anything or you'd have realized without my having to say so, that what you wrote is harder to read than something written properly. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand that over the years and with practice, our brain reads the written word much easier when that word is written according to all the grammatical rules we've gotten used to.

theres nothing more irritating than trying to read unpunctuated uncapitalized writing as our brains look for certain cues when reading which is why you can completely change the order of the letters of words in a piece of writing but as long as the first and last letter in each word is in the correct position our brain can still read the text as if the letters in each word were in proper order i know i read in blocks not word by word so when you remove proper punctuation and captialization i have to slow my reading down to a word by word basis which is irritating and hard on the eyes

I'm sure reading that last paragraph was no problem for you since you write like that all the time and have an editor to put all those annoying capital letters for you but I wager the majority of educated people would find it tedious and in a lot of cases, wouldn't bother.

Anyhow, thanks for the good laugh. You put a smile on my face and helped me start the day off with an excellent frame of mind!

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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September 13, 2012 at 11:01:49
Wow, seems you missed the entire subject content of this entire computing.net article and have began to make me and my issues, the main context of you rants and raves.

So you've known a lot of writers, that let you see their "writing" in progress, and you saw their "unfinished works" and they were just amazing at the grammar huh?

You like blundered into to their whatever, and just started rummaging through their journals, noteits, etc, etc, and because you are such an excellent judge in content, etc, etc, literary excellence you clapped your hands and snapped your head back and pursing your lips said, "mmmmmmmmmmmm bravo my good chap, gooooood works, even if I do say so myself,,,!!""""

Curtypies, you keep up the homefront here on the very front lines of snertsville, cuz we out here in the real world sure are happy when we come in here, it's soooooo safe,,,,

bye now curtypies,


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September 13, 2012 at 18:09:07
I would have thought that the whole point of posting in the lounge forum is to publish your thoughts and opinions for others to share whether or not they agree with your point of view. If your presentation loses the reader's interest in the first paragraph ( for whatever reason) then your efforts to contribute to the discussion are wasted.

I'm not a writer but an avid reader and can say without a doubt that unless something captures my attention in the first few paragraphs I'll probably discard it in favor of something more interesting. The criticism leveled at etoolz65's post was simply an observation of this aspect of human behavior.

In the context of this forum, once you press the "Submit Follow Up" button you are publishing your work. You are not letting someone "see their "writing" in progress"

"any clues that might be given according to my "usual" style of syntax cannot be compromised due to my admitting I'm an avid pirate." sounds like a manufactured excuse. Or perhaps you do have such a unique and distinct mastery of the English language that by simply using a few capital letters and punctuation marks you would risk being identified by either one of your legion of reading fans, or the people over whom you hold your vaulted position of authority. Perhaps you could get one of your editors to vet your musings before pressing the "Submit" button.

But, I digress from the topic of this particular thread.
I operate on the assumption that everything I do or say on the internet can eventually be traced back to me, should some agency in authority become determined enough to make the effort.

Does the "six strikes" policy apply to places other than USA? I live in Australia and there have been instances of US publishers ( Recording companies etc) taking action against Aussie downloaders. They have even sought extradition of people to face prosecution in the US for actions taken in Aus. I don't recall whether those actions were taken to conclusion.

On the grand scale however, law enforcement authorities worldwide have to concentrate their resources on tracking down pedophiles, money launderers, terrorists and financial scammers. They will mostly leave it to industries and service providers to develop strategies and processes to limit/reduce digital piracy, but that doesn't mean it is ignored.
And one would be naive indeed to think that there isn't any overlapping in the fields of the first mentioned criminals, and digital pirates. Don't some of the former rely on the latter as a means of spreading their influence?

It comes down to somehow achieving a balance between individual freedoms in the use of the internet as a resource versus the necessary level of protection of society ( including it's less "internet savvy" members) from those who for whatever reason of personal perversion or ideological fervor or just plain greed wish to use that resource for intrinsically "evil" purposes.

Is it acceptable for P2P sites to monitor and log what happens? If it results in the removal from free society of any of the aforementioned evil criminal element, and as a by-product results in a reduction in the levels of digital piracy ( even if only through fear of exposure) then that isn't altogether a bad thing. Or maybe it's the other way around. P2P monitoring is being undertaken as a direct effort to discourage/reduce digital piracy and as a by-product, a few of the truly evil criminals of the world are detected and prosecuted. Again is that such a bad thing?

I don't claim the wisdom of Solomon but try to live by the maxim of accepting responsibility for my actions. I personally have little to fear if "Big Brother" happens to be looking over my shoulder.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)

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September 14, 2012 at 04:45:47
Using proper grammar and punctuation creates a more professional atmosphere.

I usually will not even respond to posts that lack proper spelling, punctuation, or that use text speak.

Richard59 is correct in his assessment that you are publishing when you hit the send button.

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September 14, 2012 at 12:56:37


Mr, "I'm a famous writer so I have to post in here like I'm an illiterate horses ass so nobody recognizes me", that's the best you could come up with..............."curtypie"

You are so lame!

You're a real double threat aren't you! You're an idiot, and a thief.

Here, let me fix your nickname for you.....imatool......there, that's better...and more apt.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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September 14, 2012 at 14:16:44
I know it's an aside but I didn't have much trouble reading without the caps. At least it was broken up.

What is really hard to read is one great big long sentence with no breaks. Then there those who decide it is cute to write all words with an initial capital.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks

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