Discuss: iPad Censorship

June 11, 2010 at 06:14:17
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Hi all,

This week's poll question is about groups continuing to work to get around Apple's iPad censorship policies. Discuss here what you think Apple should continue to censor the iPad, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.

Thanks!
Justin


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#1
June 11, 2010 at 11:40:25
What do they censor? And how?

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#2
June 11, 2010 at 14:12:31
seawatch1: What do they censor?
Off the top of my head, they censor anything that could be considered pornographic, they censor anything that could compete with one of their products, and they censor any program which might go against what they expect the iPhone/iPad be used for. More recently, any program made with Adobe's iPhone tools. All and all, it's something of a crapshoot.

seawatch1: And how?
In order for you application to function, it must be purchased though Apple's App Store. If Apple decides not to sell your application, you're SOL. And if Apple decides to remove your app from their store, I believe you're retroactively SOL.

That said, I see nothing wrong with this model; Nintendo used it with the NES and SNES, and the generation that owned those systems are now buying iPhones/iPads.


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#3
June 11, 2010 at 15:01:23
I see. Interesting.

Thank you.

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#4
June 11, 2010 at 15:32:04
Apple shouldn't censor the iPad, expecially after claiming how "open" they are. I hope this comes back to bite Steve Jobs' bony ass. I know it won't, as Apple always gets away with crap like this.

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#5
June 11, 2010 at 19:00:25
seawatch1 - Just in case you didn't know, Apple censorship is only tiny fraction of China internet censorship.

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#6
June 11, 2010 at 19:06:47
But most of us don't live in China...or Cupertino.

"...and the generation that owned those systems are now buying iPhones/iPads."

Slow learners?

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#7
June 12, 2010 at 10:02:35
" Slow learners?" Maybe. What's an iPhone?

Didn't those that bought them or the service for them read their eula? If they did then they have no voice to cry with. If they did not then hey they live and they learn the hard way. Just my opinion.


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#8
June 12, 2010 at 12:30:25
The censorship is on the developers' side, not the end user's side; the End User License Agreement has nothing to do with it.

While we're on the subject, Apple censors Google; Google not pleased.


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#9
June 12, 2010 at 13:46:47
re: Apple shouldn't censor the iPad

Why not?


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#10
June 12, 2010 at 23:03:47
If Apple censor the what they sell and still manage to sell it in
massive numbers then good for them & tough on those who get
sucked into buying their over-priced brand, it just shows how
good a marketing company they are.

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#11
June 14, 2010 at 11:37:11
Why does Apple censor everything? Because it's an American company.

lol.

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#12
June 14, 2010 at 12:42:17
It's not in the eula for the phone or the service that they can and will do this? If it is not and your upset about your purchase take it back and demand a refund. Simple enough. Whining that apple won't allow you to veiw porn on their products won't get you anything but making payments and not getting the service you wanted. I am sure someone has a phone you can watch porn on. Buy that one.

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#13
June 14, 2010 at 12:48:48
Also, it's not that you can't watch your XXX material on the ipad, you just have to do it through Safari, Opera, Mercury, or other browser. Apple only censors the App store.

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#14
June 15, 2010 at 09:05:21
Ok then what is the issue?

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#15
June 15, 2010 at 10:35:52
The issue is, as a developer, you have a certain amount of time, money, and resources in developing your application.

You, as a developer, have no guarantee your application will be accepted, and no clear guidelines on what would, or would not be accepted. If your application is rejected, you have no way to recuperate your losses.

I compared Apple's app censorship to game censorship on the NES and SNES, but that was a bit disingenuous. Nintendo gave the NES/SNES developers a set of rules with the developer kits; if you followed these rules, you were theoretically guaranteed the ability to sell your product. (There were other issues in play, but those factors are outside the scope of this discussion.)

Like Apple, Nintendo implemented its censorship to control the image of its market.

Like Nintendo's third party developers, Apple's third party developers see a lucrative market, and they are willing to abide by Apple's rules to get it.

We just want the rules written down.


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#16
June 16, 2010 at 08:59:17
Well if your not getting a clear copy of the rules why are you taking the chance of loosing the time and money invested in developing these apps. I understand this can be lucrative and all but in my opinion that makes it an investment and like all other investments you have a certain amount of risk. If you are willing to take the risk and loose that is not apples fault it's yours. I wouldn't do it myself but that's just me. Nasa has announced that there will be only so many more shuttle missions how many are bending over trying to come up with improvements to the current shuttle knowing that they may not get paid.


I don't know. I am not a developer and really don't know what that intails so I am not making an informed statement, but it seems to me as a developer you would be almost intentionally shooting yourself in the foot if you set out to do anything without clear guidlines. Might as well try to come up with a new game for the Atari 2600. Makes almost as much sence to me.


P.S. It seems that censorship is not the issue but the lack of guidelines? A developer wouldn't care what was being censored as long as he or she knew ahead of time right?


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#17
June 16, 2010 at 10:05:14
harrddrocker: A developer wouldn't care what was being censored as long as he or she knew ahead of time right?
Pretty much. Most of the anger stems from the community's fear and uncertainty of their apps being rejected. Remove the uncertainty, and the fear fades.

I'm not sure why Apple is so vague about their guidelines; presumably so they can change their mind at a later date, but who knows?


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#18
June 16, 2010 at 17:21:22
Maybe they are only interested in inhouse apps.? Sounds like they are keeping their cards close to their vest. I am sure there is a concrete reason. I wouldn't think that a company this big would take such a step without some sort of plan. Have they delayed outside developers in the past? Forgive me these are things I have never really kept up with and am just not educated in. Would they actually gain by keeping the apps. in house?

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#19
June 16, 2010 at 17:31:28
After re reading your response #17 Razor it seems thay are afraid the iPad will become a childish novalty item much like just about any cell phone has become. Granted many of these types of items are used by professionals for ligit reasons many still see them as gadgets and most apps seem to go that way. It sounds like Apple is trying to make a stand with the iPad and say "Take me seriously."

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#20
June 16, 2010 at 19:57:17
Maybe they are only interested in inhouse apps.?
Apple doesn't have a huge software development department, and they seem busy with their current offerings. (There were rumors Apple had to pull developers from the OS X group to work on the iOS, for example.)

Looking at the App store, Apple has only released 10 apps for the iPhone and iPad combined. Of these, 5 of them are offered for free.

It sounds like Apple is trying to make a stand with the iPad and say "Take me seriously."
Possibly; it's also no secret Apple has a vision for the iPad and they believe tight control over their third party market will allow them to achieve their vision.

Nintendo's censorship came about because of the great video game crash of '83. Nintendo felt they had to keep a tight control over the market to regain the consumer's confidence in video games. Compare that to Apple, who moved smart phones from a niche corporate market, populated by small business applications running over a poorly designed OS, to something mainstream. Further, Apple manged to move the stagnated mobile phone R&D industry. Those are not easy shifts to make.


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#21
June 17, 2010 at 15:41:24
If they are trying to make some big step it seems poorly timed with the economy right now. I have never been "that guy" the one who had all the latest toys. My cell had always been just that a phone so I am definetly not in anyones demographic but with the downturn in the economy I got rid of my cell plan and went to a prepaid still have the same phone and will as long as I can make and recieve calls. I also am not a miser or penny pincher so I am betting that if I have tightend my belt many others have as well or already filed bankruptcy.

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