Discuss: Increasing Numbers Robo-calls

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April 11, 2019 at 05:16:08
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Hi all,

This week's poll question is about news that telephone companies are coming under pressure to do more to stop robo-calls. Discuss here if you think these companies could eliminate the unwanted calls, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.


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April 11, 2019 at 15:14:19
At risk of cynicism... I doubt the phone companies will ever do what’s required. I sometimes wonder if there are behind the scenes deals going on between some of the phone companies and the robo pests...

Phone companies would rather promote and sell call blocking units, software etc. Likewise I don’t t they would be happy at not selling or, leasing etc. the blocks of numbers these robo merchants purport to use., Even if robo merchants created their own blocks of numbers, emulating genuine series, the phone companies will not willingly block them in large sequences/series...

For the phone companies to take serious and genuine steps to stop these pests would bite into their own profits...

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April 11, 2019 at 15:51:31
Yeah, they are all crooks. The phone companies are the good crooks and the robo-callers are the bad crooks.

Always pop back and let us know the outcome - thanks

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April 11, 2019 at 18:20:52
In a deregulated environment, that's what you get. Everybody cheered deregulation, now eat the consequences!

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April 11, 2019 at 23:30:02
Speaking on behalf of Robo... you’re going to put a lot of us robots out of work if you block our calls at source. Don’t be surprised if we hit back in some other manner... We can easily call, a strike by all fellow robots and bring yew ‘umans down...

We is the fewrcher...

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April 12, 2019 at 04:12:53
> This week's poll question is about news that telephone companies
> are coming under pressure to do more to stop robo-calls.

It is unbelievable to me that they didn't burst under the pressure
years ago. I'm on the "do not call" list, so the only legitimate such
calls I get are from charities and -- potentially -- surveys, though
I've never got a survey call at my current phone number. So all the
calls I do get are actual, criminal scams. The phone company knows
they are being made and can stop them, so they are complicit in the
crimes. The number of these calls is so great that if justice were
served, they would have to return every penny they have collected
from their customers over the last ten or twenty years. Obviously
putting them out of business. But they would be in prison anyway.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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April 12, 2019 at 05:45:28
In the UK there is the Telephone Preference Service... Allegedly once you register a given number (land line or cell/mobile...) it's supposed to be on a list which all marketeers and so on have to check first. If the number is there then no call it...

It's a complete waste of time; although the TPS will say they have successfully prosecuted all manner of outfits who ignore the listings.. And the the phone companies ring their hand and say there's nothing we can do if the scam/pest call is from outside the UK, whilst presenting a fake UK number...

As previous, the phone companies have vested interests here; and I suspect a few of them are likely behind the third-pary add on blocking services and similar devices now on sale.

I doubt the CEOs etc. get many(if any) such calls...

The same applies to junk mail too; and that is even more widely ignored... Even though some senders have been again (allegedly) prosecuted for bombarding pholks when asked not send whatever. Charities etc. are now legally obliged not to send repeated "requests..." for further fundings and the like. This due to several tres elderly pholks being driven to suicide on a few occasions; or else the edge of bankruptcy at the very least...

Perhaps we ought to all emulate Jack Reacher and drop off the scene entirely. No phone listed (he uses burner phones); no mail address as such, apart from a mailbox to receive his pension info (which goes into his bank directly anyway), and family mall (which is pretty sparse...). Apart from that he's well off the radar...

I can see the day when pholks on the moon and/or Mars get junk/robo calls an (e)dmail...

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April 12, 2019 at 11:15:03
The "do not call" list is the same as your TPS, though I haven't
heard of a limit on charity calls. I get very few charity calls, and
the few I do get aren't a real problem. I gave my phone number
to the Minnesota Orchestra, since I bought tickets for some
concert series, so they occasionally annoy me trying to sell me
more, and once or twice I actually did. But that isn't the kind of
call that is the problem.

In general, legitimate businesses and organizations are not a
problem, because they respect the "do not call" list, or because
the calls they do make are not fraudulent.

The problem is the criminals who shake down consumers by
extortion, or who commit fraud against Medicare by getting the
consumer to order a "back brace" they don't need, at no cost
to the consumer, and get Medicare to pay for. I can imagine
the "back braces" are made in China at a cost of $4 each,
and the scammers charge Medicare $400 for them.

The phone companies know this is being done, they know the
phone numbers are being disguised to enable these scams,
they know how the scammers do it, they know how to stop the
scammers from doing doing it, and -- as far as I can tell -- they
haven't done one single thing about it after years of this abuse.
They are complicit in the crimes. The extent of the crimes and
the extent of the phone companies' complicity is so great that
they are by now responsible for many billions of dollars cost
to consumers. And it seems to be getting worse over time.

Because they know how their phone systems are being abused,
because they have the power to stop that abuse, because they
have allowed it to go on for so long, and because they profit from
it, companies such as CenturyLink are as much criminals as the
scammers they enable.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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April 17, 2019 at 14:05:42
Jeff, maybe where you live the legitimate businesses respect the DO NOT CALL list. I live in Michigan and have all my number on the list. I get 4 or 5 calls daily. Both land line and cell phone. I have taken the time to actually lodge complaints with the Feds by providing all they ask for regarding these calls. I never hear anything back.

I am also annoyed with all the unsolicited emails I get.

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