Discuss: Increasing Internet Speeds

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July 26, 2013 at 05:42:39
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Hi all,

This week's poll question is about news that Verizon FiOS is going to be releasing a 500Mbps speed tier to compete with Google Fiber. Discuss here if you think this much connection speed is necessary, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.

Thanks!
Justin


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#1
July 26, 2013 at 06:05:13
At this point, I suspect the drive for increased bandwidth will come from increasingly higher definition video. As cable companies are the ones who primarily provide Internet access, and the majority of their revenues come from the traditional broadcasting methods, you'll continue to see the bandwidth demand outstrip supply.

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#2
July 26, 2013 at 07:23:12
As with income, Internet speeds are never enough.

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#3
July 26, 2013 at 07:51:55
Most folks don't even understand what bandwidth is. They hear they can have more and they want it whether they will use it all, or need it, or not.

But then, need rarely has anything to do with what people want.


As cable companies are the ones who primarily provide Internet access

I'd have to disagree with that statement. I suspect it's pretty evenly distributed between telephone companies (ADSL) and cable in the urban areas with wireless providers taking most of the market share where those two aren't available (ie: out in the country).

Where I live is a good example of smaller, non-city, environments. I live in a small town (pop: 2500) and get my TV (satellite) and internet through my phone company. Cable is not even available here. There are two different wireless providers in the area as well and the majority of their business is the farms and acreages around town with a very small percentage of the in-town stuff (they really can't compete with the ADSL).

Keep in mind in a the smaller communities there is phone infrastructure already in place so adding the ADSL is easy whereas most smaller communities do not have cable infrastructure and they (the cable companies) usually can't be bothered running their infrastructure out to the small towns because that's expensive and they won't realize a good enough return on their money to make doing so worthwhile.

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#4
July 26, 2013 at 10:21:59
http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2013...

I think this article is a good example of the hype behind this whole "more speed" craze the companies are trying to push. Once again, the marketing machine will try to convince you that you "need" this to keep up with the current technology. It's all a crock. You don't need it now and won't need it in the future.


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#5
July 28, 2013 at 20:41:29
I don't know. Have cable and when I click, shirt happens...

Do I need more than that???

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#6
July 29, 2013 at 19:13:28
Curt R: I'd have to disagree with that statement.
Well, with the statistics you've linked, I have no choice but to reevaluate my views. OH WAIT, YOU DIDN'T. That's okay, because I did: http://www.statowl.com/network_isp_...

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#7
July 29, 2013 at 20:11:44
Well, unless you're streaming full 1080p or running a server farm in your garage, that's just insane. Just like a chain, the Web is only as fast as it's slowest link. Even if you DO have a 500Mbps instantaneous connection, it's doubtful that Verizon's servers could handle all that if people signed up en masse. But they anticipated that. With their 4G networks already stressed, they decided for their super FiOS that the price should be almost $300 a month. No sane person with an income below $200,000 would pay that, unless they REALLY needed it. Not to mention any computer older than about 3 or 4 years ago probably wouldn't be able to keep up with that kind of network.
Oh, and one thing this would be good for is maybe a point-to-point connection to a remote computer for file retrieving, etc. But only if the the computer had the same connection.
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#8
July 30, 2013 at 05:37:14
I think as 'Cloud' services take up more steam faster connections will be necessary. As for needing it for Hi def / 4k video I think even if everyone has 500Mbit connections we HAVE to start to utilize GPU/CPU power to decode video so we can compress it further and keep it looking nice. As it is (no matter what they claim) ISP's are throttling back youtube and other video services to save bandwidth. I've also started noticing that many new videos on YouTube 1080p is so badly compressed that there is no difference viewing 720p.

We will definitely NEED a minimum of 25Mbit in the next 2 years, NEED 100 after that. At the moment its if you have less than 12Mbit than you are in struggle town.
The net will be damn inefficient if we NEED Gigabit before the next 5 years and I don't see major infrastructure that could be capable of delivering that. I'm working for a company that is currently rolling out a fibre network providing 100Mbit service (Gigabit is offered) and its absolutely mind boggling how complex it gets. I don't see anybody building a service that will be capable of supplying genuine Gigabit service on a National scale.

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#9
July 30, 2013 at 08:00:13
My, aren't we mature Razor Are you going to stick your tongue out and blow a razberry at me too while you're at it?

I had a look at your pie chart and while that may reflect usage in one or two US cities, I highly doubt it's an accurate representation of the whole US's usage. Or, world usage for that matter.

Keeping in mind that if one carefully chooses the pool from which to draw their data you can prove anything using statistics. For instance, if you picked one or two US cities where cable is used more than ADSL, why, you could print a pretty pie chart exactly like the one you linked. However, if you used the province I live in here in Western Canada and it's immediate neighbor to the east, you'd find that ADSL would be in wider usage.

So do I care about your pie chart and consider it real proof of anything? No

Is it just me, or do you childishly attack everyone who disagrees with you? This isn't the first time you've attacked me and I'm noticing a pattern. So rather than have you go all "little girl" on me in the future, I will refrain from commenting on anything you say, even when you're wrong. I only ask that you do me the same courtesy.

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How charged with punishments the scroll,
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#10
July 30, 2013 at 09:54:33
Curt R: My, aren't we mature Razor Are you going to stick your tongue out and blow a razberry at me too while you're at it?
:P PBHTTTTT

Curt R: Keeping in mind that if one carefully chooses the pool from which to draw their data you can prove anything using statistics.
You're assuming I spent more than a minute doing a Google search; I didn't. It's also supposedly the entirety of the United States, so I'm not sure where you're getting two cities form.

Curt R: Is it just me, or do you childishly attack everyone who disagrees with you?
Well, our perceptions were different. My reaction was to start gathering facts to see whose views were more accurate. Your reaction was to call me immature, imply I'm vindictive, and call me a "little girl." If that's how you want me to respond to you, sure. I guess. Your reaction is far less work than mine.

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