Discuss: AMD vs Intel

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May 25, 2012 at 05:42:39
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Hi all,

This week's poll question is about news that AMD no longer wants to compete with Intel on CPU speed. Discuss here if you think this view makes sense, and, if you like, the poll results themselves.

Thanks!
Justin


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#1
May 25, 2012 at 10:08:01
Competition makes us all better ;-)

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#2
May 27, 2012 at 07:58:25
Improvements for just speed has reached the point of diminishing returns. Mainline cpu's are being replaced by arm and other designs for a fraction of the price.

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#3
May 27, 2012 at 14:21:04
AMD vs INTEL does not exist only in high end processors, it exist in mid-range and low end.

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#4
May 27, 2012 at 21:30:06
I voted no, but at the rate Intel's going, it would be extremely difficult for AMD to catch up. The new FX CPUs are actually slower per clock cycle than the Phenom II. Meanwhile Ivy Bridge boosts the i5/i7's IPC by around 8% and cuts power consumption by 20w. AMD woke a sleeping giant with the Athlon 64.

I'm in the process of putting together a new rig, and I ordered an Intel processor for it--the i7 3930K to be exact. (That's a 6-core, 12-thread LGA 2011 monster with a quad-channel DDR3 controller and 12MB of L3--Tim Allen grunt.)

It'll be the first Intel processor to go into my primary rig since the Pentium II.

Athlon 600-->Thunderbird 1333-->Barton 2800-->a few different S939 A64s-->
Opteron 185-->i7-3930K

I'd love to build another AMD system, but unfortunately, they don't have anything that comes remotely close to the single- and multi-threaded performance of the SB-E i7s. With the amount of video editing and encoding I do these days, 12 threads of overclocked i7 would really speed things up.

Now having said all of that, I don't believe that AMD needs to compete with Intel in terms of raw CPU performance anymore. Even cheap CPUs have enough power to run most of today's software. Most computer users just want something that can run Office, a web browser, and, of course, Diablo 3. AMD has the perfect solution for them: the A8 APU. The CPU side of the A8 is a quad core, so there's enough x86 performance to run most of today's applications with ease. But--woah--the integrated GPU is nearly as fast as a mid-range video card! Joe Six-Pack can walk into Walmart, buy a $500 laptop, and have enough GPU horsepower under the hood to run most games at the display's native resolution, and with decent visual quality to boot! You can't do that with the Core i5's IGP (although Ivy Bridge narrows the gap).

AMD stole laptop market share from Intel recently, and will continue to do so until Intel cooks up an APU equivalent--something that combines good-enough x86 performance with great graphics performance.

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#5
May 27, 2012 at 22:16:49
To be honest for the most part I have always thought the whole AMD/Intel argument has been a waste of time. For those doing serious things with their computer research will point you to what you need be it intel or amd. Just how many users are doing serious things though? What maybe 20%? The rest (just my opinion) are spending money to out do the Joneses. From my point of view most users want to play on facebook or whatever the newest game is and almost anything on the market now will do that. Where they get slowed down at is the bottleneck from their ISP or the fact that they buy into all the silly (stuff) they see on tv like "Finally fast pc" and the bloated (stuff) the geek squad likes to install. As an example: An owner brought me his fairly new computer last week telling me "They said it would play this game and that but it lags real bad". After booting it up and seeing it seemed to run fine I checked the task manager. 81 running processes. Still it played the game he left me just fine or at least as well as I can play it. I called him for a better discription. he said that he could play fine until he tried to play online. He has DSL lite. His computer has an SSD, 2x1.5tb drives and 12gbs of ram and all he is willing to pay for is dsl lite?

I explained it like this. Let's say you can sort 10,000 pieces of mail per hour but you can only send out about 10,000 pieces per day. If you want paid for an 8 hour day you're going to have to slow down a bit.

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#6
May 28, 2012 at 04:42:03
@jackbomb
Make sure to get a good third party cooler if u plan to OC your dream chip or expect to see 96c under-full-load.

@likely
U are right, i know few people with sandy brigde core i5 laptop and they use it for very light works.

EDIT
Sorry i thought core i7 3930K is a ivy bridge chip.

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#7
May 28, 2012 at 14:45:34
Thanks jackbomb for your incite on the Intel advantage on high intensity computing. I am a photographer (among other things) and use Adobe Lightroom to batch output RAW photos to various Jpg sizes as well as generating .mp4 video outputs.

My current machine is a Athlon 64 x2 6400+ running at 3.2GHz on Windows XP home. I have to open the side panel and direct a 12 inch fan inside to keep the CPU under 60C when doing such batches.

I am in the market for a Windows 7 Pro 64 bit (with XP mode just in case). I have always been a AMD fan. (Perhaps I just like the underdog as well as the competition) As a degreed electronics technician I have read over the years the competition between Intel and AMD. I have felt AMD has thought out their processor designs better than Intel, in the past at least.

With that said, if you say the Intel i7 is the way to go for intense batch processing, then I may be sold. Can you (or anyone) expand on the ideal machine for me? I often build my own computers. What is a good motherboard, etc. Or if I buy a complete machine, who should I be paying attention to. I have heard in the past that Dell tries to keep prices down by using less than the best parts, such as capacitors. Is this still true? (or ever true?) I am also hoping the machine does not get TOO hot, but that is less of a concern.

Also, does anyone know if Adobe software takes any advantage of the GPU to speed anything up? On that note, I do not do gaming.

I know I may be asking questions outside of this main topic. For that I apologize. The issue between Intel and AMD for my use IS a significant current decision I need to make.

Thanks in advance. JimBarba


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#8
May 28, 2012 at 16:09:37
I have to open the side panel and direct a 12 inch fan inside to keep the CPU under 60C when doing such batches
U should able to get good underload temp without 12 inch fan assistance.
Athlon 64 x2 6400+
Maximum operating temperature 55°C - 63°C
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AM...

I have heard in the past that Dell tries to keep prices down by using less than the best parts, such as capacitors. Is this still true? (or ever true?)
Not only DELL but all OEM and guess what? INTEL joined the gang(ivy bridge chips).

Also, does anyone know if Adobe software takes any advantage of the GPU to speed anything up? On that note, I do not do gaming.
Yes Adobe takes advantage of video card.

Get core i7 If u have deep pockets and core i5 or AMD if u have limited budget.
U can get core i7 performance from core i5 chip if overclocked.

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#9
May 29, 2012 at 13:09:43
Thanks kuwese for your feedback! I do need to keep as low as possible on the exponential speed/cost curve. So you feel an AMD phenom quad or six core etc. would compete with an i5 for such intense batch processes? Also who makes competitive MB's that generally are slam dunks to build such a machine? I will consider a liquid cooled CPU cooler next. Any ideas on good quiet liquid coolers? (anyone) I hate noisy computers.

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#10
May 29, 2012 at 14:53:13
No AMD processor can compete with INTEL core i5(sandy or ivy bridge). Core i5 2500k is still a good choice.
There are many good boards manufactures like ASUS, Biostar, ECS etc but personal i prefer Gigabyte.
There are good low RPM coolers if u don't like noise computer.

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#11
June 6, 2012 at 20:23:46
jimbarba

"My current machine is a Athlon 64 x2 6400+ running at 3.2GHz on Windows XP home. I have to open the side panel and direct a 12 inch fan inside to keep the CPU under 60C when doing such batches."

I have a system that has a Athlon 64 x2 6000+, and a friend has a system I built for him that has a Athlon 64 x2 6400+.
Both were bought in an AMD boxed set with a heat piped heat sink and fan combo.
They're both 125 watt cpus. (The 3000+ was also available in a lower wattage version).
Neither of the systems have anything overclocked.

Those CPUs have NEVER gotten hotter than about 50 C no matter what.

Are you using a third party heat sink fan combo ?
If yes, it sounds like it's inadequate

Are you sure the cpu fan is blowing TOWARDS the heat sink ?
The entire fan blade should be visible when it's mounted on the top of the heat sink.

Are you SURE the heat sink is sitting flat on the CPU and that there is an un-damaged thermal pad, or thermal grease, or thermal compound there ?
......

What's the "idle" temp of your CPU after the computer has been on a while, when you don't use the large external fan ?

I've been lightly using my computer for hours - I checked the CPU temp just now - it's 30 C. The temp in the room it's in is about 25 C.

I have have a modest video card installed - Radeon HD 5450 - , the case has one 80 mm fan, and the side cover is removed.


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#12
January 9, 2013 at 17:34:31
interesting. I have a win7 64 bit machine utilising an AMD 8150 processor and like you the only way I can keep the machine upright during big exports in Lightroom is to direct a large room fan into the processor. Drives me crazy! Considering junking the motherboard & processor and using a Intel.

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#13
January 10, 2013 at 18:05:07
Easy question.

A Duron 1300 simply kicks hell out of a P4-1.4.

No contest.

End of argument...

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