Customizing a computer worth it conspiracy theory

August 18, 2012 at 20:04:30
Specs: Windows XP Service pack 2
I wanted to know if it is a good idea to buy a customized computer. I talked to a service repair man today that upgrades computers and he said customers come in with computers that are customized from a business and part of the computer does not work and the customer does not know why that part is no longer working. He said many times it is hard to find drivers for those computers and if you need help from that business that built computers could be out of business. I asked him about Tiger Direct and he mentioned you can get all the parts but it takes a lot of time to build the computer. He also mentioned if you buy really expensive computer that in a few years it would not work anymore. I know this sounds like I am into conspiracy theories but I exactly believe many of the corporations like Microsoft already have developed really advanced technology and software that can be used far into the future but they only add a little bit of that technology to their operating systems and products at a time. That way people will constantly buy new software, computers and upgrade them. It is to make a profit. It does not seem to take that long for operating systems to come out in my opinion. I mean it did not take 20 to 30 years to create Windows 7. That is what I heard.

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#1
August 18, 2012 at 20:19:39
What exactly are you asking here? Whether to build your own PC? If you know how to and want a powerful machine, go ahead. Just it might dig into your wallet. It isn't hard to find the drivers, you just need to know the hardware model and do a Google search. If you build your own PC, it will not just stop working after a few years. If you buy crappy hardware, it might. If you choose the right parts, it could last for a decade or more. Assembling a PC would be a good Saturday project, it won't take much longer than that.

As far as your conspiracy theories, there isn't anything you can do about it. Microsoft can choose how they want to develop their Operating Systems. You could switch to Linux, just you'll have to get used to a new interface.

You've been helped by a 14 year old.


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#2
August 18, 2012 at 20:47:49
There's a lot of holes in your "conspiracy theory":

"...many times it is hard to find drivers for those computers and if you need help from that business that built computers could be out of business. I asked him about Tiger Direct and he mentioned you can get all the parts but it takes a lot of time to build the computer."

What does Tiger Direct have to do with other companies drivers or those companies being out of business? When machines are first sold, they generally come with drivers and it's the buyers' responsibility to keep them in a secure place.

"....if you buy really expensive computer that in a few years it would not work anymore.

Then why do I have somewhere around $½ Million+ dollars (original-price) worth of equipment still running? I've kept it clean, dry and maintained.

"...like Microsoft already have developed really advanced technology and software that can be used far into the future but they only add a little bit of that technology to their operating systems and products at a time."

So what? Microsoft (and for that matter Apple, Android, Linux, etc.) will develop and release what consumers want. If there's a demand for such "advanced-technology" then they (or some other software developer) will create it. Always follow the money-trail...

"That way people will constantly buy new software, computers and upgrade them. It is to make a profit."

It's called "Wintel" (though not as quite as potent as a few years ago). MS releases new OS's and they require more hardware "horsepower". Thus to run the new OS, you need new(er) hardware. One of the reasons PC-sales slumped so much over the past few years (other than the lousy economy) is that people were pretty happy with XP and it ran decently on circa-1999-or-better equipment. It wasn't until July 2011 that the install-base of Win7 tied and afterward exceeded XP:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/b...

"I mean it did not take 20 to 30 years to create Windows 7."

Actually, it did:

MS-DOS 1.0: 1982
Windows 7: 2009

27 years.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#3
August 18, 2012 at 21:26:18
Rubbish.
About 12 years ago I purchased a Gateway Computer (not the first from them) and it was a Pentium 4 machine and came with Windows XP. This was by no means the most advanced machine available, but it was just a bit below the newest of the technology at the time. Over the years I upgraded a few components to keep it working at its best. After about 9 years it became too slow for newer programs, including newer browsers and began having some small problems in reliability. It was about at the end of its run. I could have spent more money in it and kept it maybe another year, but it would not have been a good experience and definitely not worth the money it would have cost to upgrade and repair it again. If I had purchased the most up to date technology at the time for say another $500. to $800., it might have fast enough to keep, but considering the additional cost, I think I did pretty well with what I choose at the time.
The next machine I decided to build myself (my first complete build), again I selected a compromise between the top of the line (most expensive) components and the price and I believe that I found a reasonable compromise. That machine is a Core 2 Duo machine with Windows 7 and is serving still as our general family computer now. That computer is more than up to the tasks that we use it for and I expect it to be suitable for a few more years at least. I also built another Core 2 Duo machine shortly after that for myself that is a bit faster, with a better MB and graphics card That I also have for a couple of years and it is still going strong. I overclock my machines relatively mildly to get a bit more out of them but make sure that they can run 24/7 when needed so they need to run relatively cool and completely stable. While I would love to build a really hot machine based on an Ivy Bridge CPU with an SSD and other advanced components, I really must admit that I cannot justify the cost since the machine I am currently using is quite fast enough for my needs.
You can never completely future proof yourself because technology keeps advancing. This does not mean that it is a conspiracy, but that the ability to pack more on the CPU die by being able to shrink all components on that die takes time and money to be able to do this. Once the processor can do more things faster, then the operating system and the programs can use this additional power and do more things. Once these things can be done, everyone wants them so the computer you were happy with a few years ago suddenly is too slow for what you want it to do now. Right now, if you do not need to do more that the internet, emails, documents, video, and a bit of light gaming, you can use a good 3 year older computer (if you keep it clean) and be very happy with it. If you want to run the latest game titles or need programs like Photoshop, Autocad, Video editing software, or any number of programs that greatly benefit from very fast multicore processors, massive amounts of memory, fast capable video cards, large fast hard drives, and other recent advancements, then you are going to need something much more recent in design to be happy and productive.
Right now, most of us cannot see any need for faster, though 'it would be very nice to have', while others can and will want or need the fastest they can get.
Windows 7 could not exist on machines that were possible even in the 1990's let alone in the 1980's. In the 1970's you programmed a main frame computer with stacks of punch cards fed in through a a punch card reader that was a large as a man's tall dresser. A hard drive back then was about 2 feet in diameter and its capacity was measured in MegaBytes, not GigaBytes and especially not TerraBytes. A small computer's main console like the IBM 1130 was about the size of an average dining room table and a University, primary government office, large corporate headquarters would devote anything from a large room to an entire floor of an office building to their Computer hardware. An average desktop computer today is 10 times as powerful and 20 times as fast.
My first Windows 95 machine came with a 10GB hard drive and that was large at the time. Windows XP needed more hard drive space than that. My first Windows XP machine came with a 40GB hard drive and Windows 7 would nearly fill that. In those days, if you could have purchased a hard drive that was larger, it would have cost hundreds of dollars more money and you never would have been able to fill it at the time. Those who today install Windows 7 on older machines with single core processors generally find the machines are too slow. Windows 7 actually came out just about the time when the hardware advancements were at the point where they could support it.
No, it could not have come out 20 or 30 years ago.
Think, A small notebook computer today is more powerful than what NASA took to the moon on Apollo missions.

Learn a bit more, then build your own computer.
My last 3 builds took less than an hour (each) assembly and a bit more than that for installing Windows, programs and getting network and personal settings just right. (weeks planning and getting everything ready ahead of time certainly helps though).

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#4
August 18, 2012 at 21:29:22
There's a lot of holes in your "conspiracy theory":

Like so many conspiracy theories, based and presumption, assumption and lack of understanding of the problem

If by chance MS had produced an Operating system like Windows XP in the 1980s it would have been a total waste of time because the hardware to run it did not exist.

No DVDs, slow Cds, Hard disk with a max capacity of a few hundred Megabytes, CPU measured in Mgz, horrendously expensive memory and no Internet.

Software has always been ahead of hardware ever since Windows 3 was released. It has always been that way. So unless you know of a conspiracy by hardware manufactures to deliberately slow down the technological advances, your theory is flawed.

" He also mentioned if you buy really expensive computer that in a few years it would not work anymore. .

Why ever not. A few months ago I dumped three perfectly good computers, none of which were capable of running anything better than Windows 98 and even then it was a struggle. It was the advance in hardware design driven by the advances in software tha made them redundant but they still worked.

Stuart


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#5
August 19, 2012 at 19:57:03
I understand you do not agree with my conspiracy. It is just an opinion and I think that the people in power would never tell use there is far more advanced technology. It has always been throughout time the people with the most money have had the best than the rest. Of course they would not give the masses the best. They would give us less advanced technology because we are not the elite and they would convince us the technology is not existent all the while using it for themselves but of course not in the public eye. I mean just because it did not come on the market or they did not tell us or we did not see them develop it does not mean it does not exist. There are films out there that explain about advanced technology. The elite actually put movies out about the future where the technology is advanced. I know I cannot convince anyone because many conspiracy theories are told by the media is loony and tell the masses they are. I found out by watching alternative media about advanced technology already built. Actually if you do not believe me you can read some of the elites books such as the Technocratic Era. This is from an elite about what they intend to do with technology. Why would an insider lie but than again why would he write a book. Anyway I am not endorsing the book but it would be interesting to read

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#6
August 20, 2012 at 14:45:35
Not so much a conspiricy, more a fact of life.

New technologies are very expensive at the outset because production is low. The onslaught of miniaturization is still continuing. About 25 years ago computers like we have today would have filled a room, cost a fortune and were therefore outside the sphere of the domestic market. As already implied, the software writers have to wait for the hardware to be available in order to push forward.

Sure, MS want to sell operating systems so they are not in the business of encouraging us to hang on to old computers. I might not happen to like it at times but about everyone in business does the self same thing.

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#7
August 20, 2012 at 15:22:10
Don tyou think it is a bit strange that it is only conspiracy theorists that ever heard of the books and internet sites that support their theories. Most ordinary people have never heard of them.

Another reason why you conspiracy falls apart Celine is that you only have to took at the Internet. The Internet is the most powerful tool the masses have ever had that their disposal bar none.

It was developed by ordinary people with an interest in technology. The elites as you call them had no hand in it. It wasn't until the late 90s that Governments and corporations started to take an interest in the Internet but by then it was too late, it had grown to big for any one group to control. A lot tof the technology today has been driven by the Internet and improving it. Where does your theory fir into that?

Just to give you an example. I live in the UK. I have spent a large part of the evening chatting to a lady in Michigan. It cost me no more than my monthly Internet subscription.

Twenty years ago such a thing would have been impossible as it would have been horrendously expensive. If the elites where in charge do you thing they would have let such a thing come about and allow ordinary people the communications facilities that were only available to Governments not so long ago.

Each Microsoft were slow of the mark, trying to set up their own global network until they realised that the Internet was even too big for them to handle on there own. If the elites were controlling technology as you theorise, then the Internet would have been killed of years ago.

The elite actually put movies out about the future where the technology is advanced.

Yes, they call them science fiction moves put out by the elites of Hollywood.

Stuart


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#8
August 20, 2012 at 19:38:52
@Celine:

why would he write a book

That's an easy question to answer - to make money from the "true believers" such as yourself.


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#9
August 21, 2012 at 07:25:25
why would he write a book

That's an easy question ot answer - to make money from the "true believers" such as yourself.

Amen.

Most people need something to believe in. Most believe in God in some form or another. Others believe in aliens in area 51, and some will tell you man never walked on the moon. If I'm not mistaken, there are several books out about that topic. I know there are many books on the area 51 topic.

Personally, I don't understand it but for the most part, conspiracy theorists are harmless so I ignore them and their off-the-wall theories.

I suspect the guys that write those books are just looking for easy money. And, they get it. They just won't get any from me.

You are allowed to believe whatever it is you want to believe. From what I can see here, you have one opinion and more than 5 people have responded with the opposite opinion. In the case of a vote, you lose. But since like most other conspiracy theorists your belief cannot be shaken, you'll ignore the fact that the vast majority of people will disagree with you and you'll choose to go on believing in your conspiracy theory. Because we live in North America, you're free to believe what you want, as I am.

I don't mind you opening this topic up for debate either but I can promise you you'll never change my mind as I've worked with computers for far too long to give credence for your theories.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#10
August 21, 2012 at 12:14:31
Try this conspiracy theory on for size: 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out

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#11
August 21, 2012 at 14:24:02
Am I to understand that if I produce and sell products with the idea of repeat business I am committing a conspiracy?

Likely


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#12
August 21, 2012 at 15:38:39
I have heard about the 9/11 conspiracy but then again many architects and scientists have asked for another investigation into 9/11 and have said that the buildings did not fall because of airplanes. Also airplanes have hit building before and they did not fall down and don't you think it is mysterious that the biggest military like the pentagon missed 9/11. It even mentioned that they worked for the FBI and no there are credible sources to proof that. Also money went missing before 9/11. The Bin Landens were allowed to fly and nobody else was. I thought the military used the internet first. As for only conspiracy theoriest believing those books most of the masses believe the media and I cannot compete with some of the 24/7 propaganda but thankfully some of the masses are waking up thanks to respectable people who keep informing the masses. Bilderberg and the Federal Reserve is now more exposed than ever. I am thankful a few have woken up and realized the news media cannot be trusted. I do watch Alex Jones and I like Aaron Russo's Film from Freedom to Facism about the income tax and other things.Edward Bernays the maker of some of the biggest propaganda wrote a book called Propaganda. Also the Dumbing Down of America talks about how the educational system has dumbed down America. As for the films yes they are science fiction but it you look at them closely you can see this happening in Real. Take for example Total Recall where there are body scanners everywhere. We have them in airports. The film 1984. Today London and Houston have cameras everwhere. GPS in phones and in our cars? Minority Report has targeted advertising. I have experienced this already because after I looked at a website I went into Culvers where they have a tv and what I looked at on the Internet there happens to be a commercial about it. Now we have the RFID chip in all new products and when you go into a store there are readers that pick that up and know exactly that you bought that shirt at that place, at that time and with that much money. Also in the near future they want to get rid of the same pricing for everyone. That means if lets say a person buys something often the price is longer for that person but a person that only bought it once or a few times it is more expensive. Also they want to put television screens which are in a few stores already and when you walk past it picks up the information from the RFID chip in your clothes, that are in your bags and tells you you can buy that product. Spy Chips is an amazing book about all that. NSA keeps all are records of our e-mails text messages and 9/11 still happened. Google keeps all of our information. Also I recently talked to a man who works from PC Chips and he told me in 3 to 5 years there will be no more software for new computers and data centers will protect your data from viruses etc. That means all your e-mails, things you write on Microsoft will be protected by someone else for a rental fee. You can no longer put a installation disk for virus protection on your computer. I know wonderful it takes so much time to install and all that software and updates to buy. Why not just have a data center protect all your stuff. It saves time.I am being sarcastic of course. I know you have all heard of cloud computing. That is what it is but what about privacy, freedom and security. What if you forgot to pay that rental fee? What if you want to print out that information would you had to pay a fee? What if you want to save the file you couldn't because they protect it ? What if each time you want to save it you would have to pay or ask their permission? You would probably have to pay a fee because afterall they are protecting it from viruses. Don't believe me call PC Chips and talk to them. Read articles about it. Ladies and Gentlemen have we gotten so lazy we cannot intsall software protection ourselves and update it to protect ourselves? Have we gotten so lazy that we are willing to pay a rental fee to have someone else protect our data and we cannot push save and write a file name or click on our virus protection software? What if there is an earthquake or natural disaster? Yes the information could be stored elsewhere but how do you know? What if there was a system failure in the data centers and all the information was gone? Now at least I can save it on a cd, dvd ect and yes eventually the cd dvd will not work but at least I had a say about what I protect and I can also save it on muliple devices. I know live with it that is the way technology is going that is true but is it also not the people demand those things for convenience all the whille forgetting that someone else now has a say about how to protect their data and how many times they can save the data? That is what he told me. He also told me I could not afford to protect the data and assumed I was not very technical and only technical people could set-up their products. First of all he never met me so how would he know if I could not afford it and how would he know if I was not able to do it? Okay maybe you would agree but with time and practice I could and just because I am not techical does not mean I could not afford it. After all there are rich people out there who are not technical. Anyway I am rambing and off the topic. Do we really need those apps on the computer? Is the phone not good enough? Do you really want someone to protect your data? Are we so we so secure? A case in Minnesota was about a girl named Drew kidnapped in broad daylight and yes there were cameras. What about the girl in Aruba? I am sure she had a phone but did that protect her from being killed? What about the film Gattaca only the best survive and the weak are preyed about on? People need to look beyond the Science Fiction and the special effects and look at the messages. It clearly speaks of eugenics which have been practiced by the Nazis and also the mentally ill were sterilized in I think the 50s in the US.

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#13
August 21, 2012 at 15:41:36
I am sorry I forgot to edit my post. So please do not say you misspelled words and forgot words. I posted to quickly. Bin Ladens I meant to write.

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#14
August 21, 2012 at 15:54:44
Just to say, for the future, if you want to change your post later there is an edit option at the bottom of what was posted (active for 5 days only).

Now, how about JFK's death, princess Diana's death, Elvis is still alive, UFO's......etc.

These Beatles ones are fun too:
http://invanddis.proboards.com/inde...

http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/cel...

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#15
August 21, 2012 at 16:25:25
I thought the military used the internet first.

The military devised the packet switching system that the Internet is based on in an attempt to combat the electronic effects of a nuclear attack. This was in the 1960s.

Because if the inherent lack of security in a packet switching system idea was abandoned and it was handed over the academic community who had no need for security as their objective was to get as much information out into the public domain as quickly as possible.

Real time encryption didn't exist then because the hardware wasn't fast enough to support it. It was the academic community the developed the internet until it went public in 1994.

And a few paragraph breaks would make your text a lot easier to read as well

Stuart


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#16
August 21, 2012 at 16:30:05
Hello,

Thank you all for writing and being polite. Sometimes people will be so mean if you discuss conspiracy theories and they never research any of them and just call people names. If we want to be a society of the free we need to be respectful. I did not like that George Soros called Rand Paul and Alex Jones right wing terrorists. When did it become terrorism to hold our leaders responsible? Were the writers of the Constitution right wing terrorist? They even mention if we the people do not like our government we can have a new one. I know that is not the exact words. Anyway I am sorry with most if about customizing computers not conspiracy theories but also if we want to be a free society we should have the choice to build our own computers and not be dependant on corporations to build as technology. I would like to know if anyone has any good articles, can recommend books please also tell me where I can find the articles and books, films, etc on building your own computers. I could look myself but I have no idea which articles, films books etc are accurate. Can you buy Apple hardware and build your own Apple Computer? I do not mean buy them from Apple but buy them from a stores that sells motherboards and other parts to make up you put into a computer? Or can you only build pc computers? What about other brands are their computers you cannot build yourselves? I do not mean large super computers but just a personal computer?


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#17
August 21, 2012 at 16:33:34
Okay I forget about paragraphs breaks. I apologize. Thank you for reminding me. It is good to remember as I am going back to school and need to write a lot for the applications.


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#18
August 21, 2012 at 16:34:30
These Beatles ones are fun too:
http://invanddis.proboards.com/inde...

http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/cel...

Considering I am British and live within spitting distance of where the Beetles originated,, I find it rather strange that is the very first indication I have had that such theories even existed.

Must be something in the trans atlantic air.

Stuart


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#19
August 21, 2012 at 16:39:56
I am looking also at companies that customize computers. Is there a good company I looked at many and it is hard to tell which ones are good

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#20
August 21, 2012 at 16:46:45
If you are going to build your own computer fine, but you get the parts and do it "your way" to meet your own requirements, from what is available at a reasonable price for that very purpose. I'd go for a tower any day - easier for starters.

I'm pretty certain that if you try to reproduce someone else's design (such as Apple) from spare parts, including the software, you will find its no cheaper than buying one in a shop. That's assuming you can get hold of "all" the parts. The legalities would need watching too.

Large companies buy in bulk with world-wide contracts. You can't, and retail spares have a signifcant markup.

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#21
August 21, 2012 at 17:09:54
StuartS

Re#18.
Nope - I'm from the UK too (darkest Kent tho).
Could be South East England air I guess.

Franky I don't believe a word of any of them.

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#22
August 21, 2012 at 18:03:52
Apple computer use proprietary hardware, The only people that makes motherboards for Apple computer are Apple. If anyone other than Apple were to make an Apple compatible hardware they would run into patents and copyright problems.

No such problems with the PC because the PC was an open design right from the start and there are many, many companies making PC motherboards.

You are free to make your own computer but you are defendant on corporations to do the design, development and manufacture of the chips that go into them. Unless you are prepared to invest the billions of dollars necessary to do that yourself.

Stuart


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#23
August 21, 2012 at 18:14:44
As for conspiricy theories in general, I think most are down to people being unable to accept a simple explanation when they are hit by a tragic or unacceptable event. They need a lot more "meat on the bone" to match the seriousness of what has happened and the effect it has had on them.

For instance, JFK's death was far too much for many to bear, so they couldn't possibly believe it was the work of some deranged dropout who could use a gun.

The same appllies to 9/11. It was too hard to accept that a handful of foreigners unleashed such a blow to America and its loved ones using relatively simple tactics.

Princess Diana was too well loved by much of the British public for her demise to be put down to a semi-drunk driver burning rubber in a confined tunnel and hitting a wall.

With pop star deaths the same applies - the fans have to find some better explanation for the loss of their idols.

One that doesn't fit the above is that "Paul McCartney died years ago and we now have a spitting image instead". Most likely he doesn't look quite right for them due to age, helped along by past drug taking and so forth.

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#24
August 21, 2012 at 20:08:10
Okay I do think that the government is not always that open.

As for 9/11 many credible people have asked questions such why were there news reports that send the buildings came down before they did.

Yes there are actual videos. Also the fact the building had asbestos in it and it would take a lot of money to clean it up.

Also how come other building have been hit with airplanes and they do not fall down.

I know that sometimes there are just simple explanations to things but I want to ask you why does the government not answer the questions?

If these things are not true I ask that the government disprove them with sound advice instead of avoiding the questions.

Why did the building look like they were imploded?

airplanes hit

Why was there a document written that the building could not come down when hit by airplanes? Yes there is a document

Why do credible people in the FBI and CIA not believe in the story and why do some in the military not believe.

First of all the pentagon received warnings from other countries why did the pentagon ignore them?

Why were the Bin Laden family allowed to fly home but nobody else could fly home.

Why did Bush get questioned with Dick Cheney together when they asked him to be questioned Bush to be questioned separately?

Why does not the government answer the questions if they believe in there own story and why do they attack Charlie Sheen about his life when he asked 9/11?


Why did they say that people called from the airplanes with cellphones when credible documents say you can't use those cellphones to call?

How about that the government shipped and destroyed some of the buildings? What about building 7 that was not hit but came down. Yet the governement ignores that question

What about the fact one of the so called hijackers could not even fly a plane?

What about the fact that most of the evidence was destroyed but they still found the passport?

How about this one where did the missing money go from the pentagon and when Cynthia McKinney asked the question she was fired?

What about the fact the credible sources say the hijackers worked for the FBI?

Okay I know show the evidence? I can but since there are so many articles it will take time. I would be glad to send the links just give me time?

Here is a good film Loose Change that as a lot of evidence and also Architects for the Truth is a wonderful website infowars has all the information about 9/11 even if you do not trust Alex Jones or like him that does not mean the sources are unrealiable you can just go to search write 9/11 and he has all the articles. www.infowars.com prisonplant.com

Also the Rutherford Institute is good ignore the bias of them they are conservative but have a good article about John Lennon and Nixon. If it is still on the website.

Fabled Enemies

Truth about the Income Tax Aaron Russo Freedom to Facism

about Police State watch the film Police State 123 and I think 4 Alex Jones

Big Brother it is a book

Bilderberg Group Daniel Estulin

Committee of 300 The Conspirator's Hierachy Dr. John Coleman former member of British Intelligence

RFID- Spy Chips Katherine Albrecht

Federal Reserve The Creature of Jekyll Island Edward G Griffin many articles on Freedom Internation organization he founded

American education system Dumbing Down of America

Dead Wrong about the murder of JKF Martin Luther King

by the way is it ironic that JFK did wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve system and after that time he was shot.

about John Lennon US vs John Lennon not sure if murder discussed

Fluoride Fluoride Deception

MK Ultra Mind control Vigilant Citizen

Anyway I am surprised I got off the subject. This is about customizing computers.

How about this if you want to talk about this further.I can make blog on wordpress and you can write comments I know they track your information. Then it is easier to focus. I guess you can't escape them



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#25
August 22, 2012 at 05:12:45
I think you are right there Derek, people do have a propensity to not believe the reality when confronted with some traumatic event and rather believer there has been some big mistake, or a conspiracy.

However once the shock subsides, most rational people come to terms with the reality - but then there are those that want to see a conspiracy around every corner.

What the conspiracy theorists fail to appreciates is that for these theories to have any validity so many people would have to in on it that it would be impossible to keep a secret, somebody would have stepped up and blown the whistle.

For the 9/11 theories the air traffic controller must have been part of it, the military down to the middle ranks must have been part of it, the owner or the twin towers themselves must have been part of it. The list is endless of people that must have had prior knolwedge if any of the conspiracy theories are to stand up to scrutiny.

Stuart


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#26
August 22, 2012 at 08:07:17
celine1

I am looking also at companies that customize computers. Is there a good company I looked at many and it is hard to tell which ones are good

If you live in, or near Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) I can recommend an excellent company. I've been doing business with them for 7 years or so. If you live in, or near, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (Canada) I can recommend an excellent computer company there that I did regular business with for the better part of a decade prior to moving here to Alberta.

Stuart

Apple computer use proprietary hardware

I don't think so anymore. It seems to me they're using the same hardware now that everybody else does. I could be wrong but I seem to recall reading something a while back stating they were going to be using the same hardware as everybody else now. And, their recent OS's are BSD (Unix) based so they're not really proprietary anymore like they used to be back in the 90's.


celine1

Also how come other building have been hit with airplanes and they do not fall down.

Were these other building you speak of built at, or around the same time as the twin towers using the same basic design and materials and been hit by not one, but two jumbo jets laden with fuel at the same time?

Unless you're comparing almost exact conditions, it's impossible to give an accurate comparison. But, what was said about intense fire heat causing major support beams to weaken, and ultimately fail, to support the thousands of tons of weight above them which is why the two towers came down makes sense to me. I'm not an engineer, but I can do basic math pretty darn well. And hitting a big building with a 4 seater, single engine prop plane is not the same as two jumbo jets. Those are not even in the same order of magnitude.

and don't you think it is mysterious that the biggest military like the pentagon missed 9/11

Ok, maybe I missed something on 9/11 (I saw the second plane hitting the tower live on TV) but my understanding is a plane actually did crash into the Pentagon. Are you implying that a jumbo jet crashing into the Pentagon was faked. I do recall seeing views of the damage. It looked pretty real to me.

Why was there a document written that the building could not come down when hit by airplanes?

For the same exact reason the builders/owners of the Titanic said it was unsinkable. Because people are humans and humans make mistakes and Murphy laughs at us all and loves to prove us wrong when we make grand sweeping statements like that.


In the end, when it comes to conspiracy theories, I have to agree with Derek and Stuart. I think it's because it's easier than accepting a hard and painful truth. Also, the majority of humans tend to have a need to find someone at fault, someone to blame when things go wrong. That is amplified in conspiracy theorists so unlike the rest of us who eventually accept the loss and move on and continue living life, conspiracy theorists are unable to because they don't (won't/can't) accept what happened.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#27
August 22, 2012 at 08:58:59
Re#24
Just because many people are not too inclined to believe in conspiracy theories doesn't mean that the same people believe everything governments tell them. That would be a rather sweeping, if not absurd, assumption.

Re #26
Yes indeed a plane did hit the Pentagon. As always, the conspiricy thereories then started:
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentago...
The Pentagon is a very important place and an icon, so obviously there had to be some much more clever explanation ;)

If I had to persuaded to believe in any of these theories then at least I can see a possible tactical reason for this one about flight 93:
http://www.flight93crash.com/flight...

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#28
August 22, 2012 at 12:10:12
Yes indeed a plane did hit the Pentagon. As always, the conspiricy thereories then started:
<a href="http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm</>" target="_blank">http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentago...

OMG! That's hilarious!

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#29
August 22, 2012 at 12:13:17
I have my own conspiracy theory. It has to do with your movies and books. The folks that write, author or take part in these at all regardless of how respectable or credible they may be do not have access to everything. Even if they did many times it would make for a fairly boring story. Those don’t tend to make the best seller list. They then take artistic license and embellish or liven up the action to grab the reader or get the movie goers attention. As long as they have a few facts they are then deemed credible. They can then use the lie “Based on the truth”.

It is rather doubtful that many if any of these authors had any thoughts of getting the truth out there. If you follow their stories of government cover ups then how were you ever able to read the book or see the movie? Why are they still alive?

You know that Tommy owns a brown car. I make the statement that “Tommy was killed today when his brown car was blown up by the Taliban”. My statement is credible because you know Tommy has a brown car. If I had only stated that he owns a brown car would you care? Would you be on the edge of your seat waiting for my next statement?

On the evening of 9/11 for about an hour there was an article on AOL complete with pictures that said one of the planes hit Camp David. I have not seen mention of it since. At least eleven people that I know personally read the article. Two copied and printed the pictures. I never saw anything saying the article was false it just disappeared. Is this a conspiracy? Was the president and or vice president killed there? Was it all covered up? My bet is AOL was fed a bogus story and in their embarrassment hurried to take it down not thinking of saying anything about it.

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#30
August 22, 2012 at 12:25:21
Re#29

The Camp David thing is around in Google and relates to flight 93 again. Here's one:
http://911woodybox.blogspot.co.uk/2...

There would have been a massive amount of confusion on that day, so that could be a significant factor.

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#31
August 22, 2012 at 12:45:42
Thanks Derek! Most everything I had seen on it was all based in conspiacy or that it was just a hoax in general. I was only about 30 miles from where flight 93 crashed and most news reports we were getting on television were about that and ofcourse the towers. The pentagon was not even mentioned all that much.

I went online and saw the story about Camp David and then it was gone. Like I said I figured at the time someone gave them a bogus story or it was just bad reporting so they dumped it. I never really dug much to see if there was anything on it. Never heard any mention of it on the news so I let it go.

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#32
August 24, 2012 at 11:03:19
I like this one.

http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/.

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#33
August 25, 2012 at 03:30:31
As for the movie references on the various technologies mooted it has always been a question of whether it is life imitating art or vice-verse.

Throughout the last century( and to a lesser extent in this one) creative writers have sought to envision the kinds of things that might be done if/when technology allowed. Orwell's 1984 is a classic example. It took a couple of decades longer to come about but there are surveillance cameras pervading all industrialized cities. Link those up to to facial recognition software and where does that lead you. Traffic cams now read license plates to check your speed from point to point and to spot unlicensed drivers and expired rego. "They" can track you. but do "They" really exist? So. When Orwell published his work in 1949 was he really one of the "Elite" insiders using knowledge of advanced technologies ( High resolution digital cameras and facial recognition software running on high speed computers etc") or was he simply a highly imaginative writer with a talent to envision a future and the skill to put it into a story. I subscribe to the theory (sans-conspiracy) that in all great storytelling there has to be a small kernel of credibility or the reader cannot make the necessary connection to engage in the author's fantasy creation.
That modern science takes on some of those creative ideas and develops them into functional technology is not surprising. Does this mean I discount all "Conspiracy" theories ? No. Even a paranoid can have a real enemy, and no generalization is always true. Not even this one.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#34
August 25, 2012 at 07:39:57
Re #33

Nicely put.

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#35
August 25, 2012 at 10:22:28
When Orwell published his work in 1949 was he really one of the "Elite" insiders

What ever you can say about George Orwell, a member the the technological elite is certainly not one of them. Imaginative thinking is not the preservers of the "Elite", in fact it is the technically aware that are more likely to get it wrong.

When the Manchester Mk 1 computer was first fired up in 1949, Alan Turing, by no means a technological slouch. remarked that two or three of these machines should cover the countries needs for the foreseeable future. The foreseeable future lasted about six months.

Stuart


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#36
August 25, 2012 at 12:29:01
Isn't that six months about the standard life span of most computers? Isn't it about six months before we see / say that the very best top of the line machine we have built is now outdated or obsolete?

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#37
August 25, 2012 at 12:54:47
hello likestory,

Thank you for all your comments. I actually spoke to a computer repair person who also upgrades computers and he mentioned that many businesses change their computers every three years.

I am not so sure how that works with personal computers for home use. I also spoke with Norton Anti-virus and I know you do not have to mention it does slow computers down.

It is the only one I can afford because I get the service free from Centurylink.

He mentioned that for say my old computer of 9 years it could run a long time but
the problem is that it cannot handle new software programs.

He also mentioned I could put Windows 8 on my computer but it will only work if I have no other programs on the computer. It is the same for Windows 7 on my computer.

I do not understand why they have to make such bloated software.

Is our technology not advanced enough to deal with that or do they do that so people need to buy newer computers with more memory or buy more memory.

I know we talked about many topics and some did not even relate to customizing computers. It is funny how that works?

What does everyone think of cloud computing?

It does provide convinence but is it so good for freedom and privacy?

As I mentioned before as many of you already know I talked to PC Chips and they mentioned that in 3 to 5 years there would be no more software to buy and in order to have your computer protected from viruses or to save files a data center will charge you a monthly fee.

That being said I know he mentioned it is because technology is advancing which is true but is it not more true that people are also demanding cloud computing because of convenience without thinking about freedom.

In order for a society to be free we need to protect as much as we can and not depend on others to protect us. Drones in the skies do not make the U.S. a free nation and gestapo tactics in airports either.

It is ironic that once again we had a shooting near a very public building. If there is so much security how come this happened. There are drones that could have caught the man on camera and the cops could have stopped him and I am sure there was security and cameras. Also do not forget that every new product has an RFID chip and those readers at the building could have identified as that gun.

Also I find it strange in the temple shooting that the camera were turned off and there are reports given to the FBI there were more shooters.

Also is it not strange that the trailer to Batman had the same incident than happened during this shooting.

This is the same that happened before 9/11 they did the same war exercises as what happened during 9/11 and they had a war exercise in London where there was a bomb on the I think subway.

Anyway some people just shrug it off as conspiracy but it just seems all a little suspious.


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#38
August 25, 2012 at 13:15:18
"It is the only one I can afford because I get the service free from Centurylink"
You can get an AV for free from Microsoft (Microsoft Security Essentials). Also you can get AV free versions from Avast, AVG and others. I have found these alternatives quite adequate. Mostly the ones you pay for give you extra support, which those with a knowledge of computers rarely find necessary.

"in London where there was a bomb on the I think subway"
Yep. In the UK we generally call our nearest thing roughly comparable to your subway "The Underground", much of which is at deep level. In fact there were three bombs within minutes of each other at three quite separate locations on the system, presumably so that more confusion and havoc would ensue. There was also a bus blown up at about the same time but this might have been due to one of the bombers not making it to the intended place on the underground railway. Good old Google:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July...

The London Underground was always considered to be a prime target by anyone with a grievance. "Evacuation" exercises were therefore openly discussed and evaluated well before the actual event. Dealing with explosions in jam packed railway carriages in "very deep tunnels" is particularly difficult, so I would have been angry if our government did not make some sort of preparation for this likelihood. It is interesting that you knew something about the exercises yet very little about the actual bombings or the type of railway network that was attacked. Maybe this is how conspiracy theories start - select only the sketchy facts that fit and away you go.

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#39
August 25, 2012 at 15:48:57
As I mentioned before as many of you already know I talked to PC Chips and they mentioned that in 3 to 5 years there would be no more software to buy and in order to have your computer protected from viruses or to save files a data center will charge you a monthly fee.

I would take that with a huge pinch of salt. Just becasue someone predicts it will happen doesn't necessarily mean tit will.

I can remember reading in the 1970 of someone predicting the demise of the motor car. They were saying that in 30 years time there would be no need for them as everyone would be travelling around in super-fast mass transit railway systems. Got that one wrong!

Stuart


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#40
August 27, 2012 at 23:10:02
http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2...

Please say no to cloud computing. If you care about our freedoms in the U.S. and do not care about convenience and do not believe the corporations spin how wonderful and convenient it will be than I can tell you to support the no to cloud computing. Not so sure if we can put petition on this website.


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#41
August 28, 2012 at 08:05:10
celine1

I do not understand why they have to make such bloated software.

Is our technology not advanced enough to deal with that or do they do that so people need to buy newer computers with more memory or buy more memory.

You're putting the cart before the horse dear. You cannot design software for hardware that doesn't exist. It's hardware first, then software. The reason Windows 7 and 8 won't run on your 9 year old computer is that it has a single core CPU. Some years back they developed multiple core CPU's. The first was two cores, then four and so on. Once dual core CPU's became available, then, and only then, could programmers take advantage of them and start writing software for them.

What does everyone think of cloud computing?

I think it's moot and useless for me...............but I'm a computer geek by trade and I don't need to store my precious data on someone elses systems. I have my own backups and a NAS at home and I also have available remote sites I can use to store data should I feel the need. Cloud computing offers nothing to me I havne't had available for years.

I don't trust other people to take proper care of my data, make it available when I want/need it and, I don't trust them to stay out of it and mind their own business.

For people not as much in the know as I am, I can see it might be of some value to them but I'll never use it.

As for antivirus software, there will always be free AV software available for download (I use Avast and used to use AVG) so you need'nt be worried about being forced to pay for it.

In order for a society to be free we need to protect as much as we can and not depend on others to protect us. Drones in the skies do not make the U.S. a free nation and gestapo tactics in airports either

Would you prefer there was no airport security at all like back before terrorists starting bombing planes? I wager not. It's the price we pay for having terrorists in our world who would force others to do what they want them to do by means of violence. I for one will tolerate the security as it provides me with a measure of safety. If it weren't for security in airports nobody, including you I wager, would ever fly again.

It is ironic that once again we had a shooting near a very public building. If there is so much security how come this happened.

Really!?!? You need that explained to you? I don't think so really. I think you're trying to make a point but going about it the wrong way.

History has proved that one man or woman who is determined can do amazing things............like walk in somewhere there's 'reasonable security' and pull out a gun and start shooting people. Just like a determined terrorist can almost burn his balls off while wearing a bomb in his pants and trying to explode it in an airplane.

No matter how much security you put in place, someone determined enough can figure a way around it. If they're willing to give up their life in the effort, then it becomes extremely hard to stop them.

Cameras and drones cannot see a concealed weapon anymore than human eyes can. As for RFID chips, trust me dear, they don't put those in guns...........LOL............I realize you're paranoid and subscribe to conspiracy theories but really............RFID chips in EVERYTHING.............get a grip! I own many guns and not a one of them is "chipped" and I've bought three brand spanking new ones in the last 5 years. Two in the last two. If you knew how guns were made, you'd realize what an unrealistic suggestion that is. And this is true for many, many products out there in the market place.

Anyway some people just shrug it off as conspiracy but it just seems all a little suspious.

Only to paranoid people does it seem suspicious.

StuartS

I would take that with a huge pinch of salt. Just becasue someone predicts it will happen doesn't necessarily mean tit will.

Think back a few short years. In the 90's the doomsayers were predicting the end of the world on the year 2000. In January of 2000 these same doomsayers said, "Oops, a slight mathematical error in our calculations, it's actually going to end in 2001" When it didn't they reused the same lame excuse and predicted it would end in the year 2007. So here we are in 2012 and now the doomsayers are saying it's going to end this December because the "Mayan calendar ends there"

Duh!

While in Mexico last spring I saw a T-Shirt that showed two Mayans working on their calendar. The first one says, "I think I'll stop there, let someone else pick it up in a couple centuries" and the second one says, "That's going to freak somebody out around 2012"

Come January of 2013 I'm going to be laughing while the paranoid doomsayers are revising their predictions yet again..........................


It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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