Blitware scams III

August 5, 2010 at 13:56:33
Specs: Linux i686, Intel Core Duo/1Gb
I am posting this from a Linux machine, for -- as you might have guessed -- my Windows machine is out of action after using a Blitscam (sorry, Blitware) product.
I feel sorry for myself, but more so for those who are totally dependent on a Windows machine. I run one or two legacy programs on the Win machine, but I essentially abandoned Windows for Linux years ago.
It has been clear since day one that Windows is a defective OS. This is the reason why the folks at Redmond have to constantly rewrite their OS and send out upgrade packages, which are effectively rewrites. The core is rotten and Microsoft should begin again entirely from scratch rather than performing patch-job upon patch-job. It is because of Windows' shortcomings that a whole support industry has grown up around it -- people like Blitware -- to plug the holes in it.
Thanks to Blitware, the people who have posted here will have to reinstall their OS from scratch. Why not take the opportunity to switch to Linux and kiss Windows and a great deal of useless hassle 'Goodbye' forever? Linux is free as are nearly all its applications and is maintained by generous individuals who give freely of their time and energy. Contrast this with mendacious Microsoft.
If you are committed to Word and Excel, not to worry. Open Office (a free office suite) will save your work in Microsoft's proprietary format.
I used to work as a PRO, the interface between angry customers and the company. I am not impressed with Simon Baker's sugar-coated 'concern.' However, if he will refund my money (phoebus@eircom.net) I will put in a good word for him.

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#1
August 5, 2010 at 14:15:55
So you are blaming Microsoft for a the damage done by a piece of software that has nothing to do with Microsoft. Brilliant!

I have never heard of Blitware and will not have to reinstall as your are certain I will have to. It's about three years that I reinstalled Windows XP and that was after a major hardware upgrade.

Bear this in mind, if there were as many computers thought the world running LInux as there are running Windows, you can be sure that spammers and virus writers will be targeting them and exploiting loop holes that exist in Linux

Stuart


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#2
August 5, 2010 at 14:20:54
If linux is to become more famous than windows, u will blame linux.

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#3
August 5, 2010 at 16:14:55
I'm gonna steal a post from some [H]ard|OCP thread I was reading yesterday:

"The Linux heads are getting more vocal about this, precisely because Windows has gotten so much more secure. You hear less and less about Windows exploits (the common exploits are user exploits these days). As such they have to increase the volume to try and convince people Linux is indeed more secure, since they sure aren't going to convince people it is more user friendly."

P.S. Open Office SUCKS.

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#4
August 5, 2010 at 17:04:50
I understand why Windows users are always a bit defensive when anybody mentions Linux. They have every reason to be. Yes, Linux too has security issues, but then not so many people take against Linux. Have you ever wondered why Windows is the target of so much malware?
The weakness of Windows lies at is core, not at its perimeter defenses. Have a try operating a heavy duty web server on Windows. If its knees don't buckle, chances are it is running Apache, Php, and MySQL out of the Open Source Software stable.
Admittedly Linux is more demanding than Windows, but if you are doing serious stuff, then you will be familiar with what goes on under the hood anyway. Without question, Linux falls down in the Media Department. But if you are interested in the media side of computing, then get the best, which of course is an Apple machine.
I say give Linux at try. Your can run it off a DVD, and you can probably get the DVD free with a computer magazine. If you don't like it, well and good. But a person should make up their own mind and ignore the unrewarding 'debate' between those who fly the flag for Windows and carry the torch for Linux. A lot of friction, but no enlightenment.

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#5
August 5, 2010 at 17:54:37
Have you ever wondered why Windows is the target of so much malware?

Simple! 80% of the worlds computers are running Windows. Makes sense to go for the biggest target. A 10% hit rate on Windows is still more than all the Linux installations in the world.

Oh yes, I have tried Linux. A Jackbomb's post says, Linux won't win any prizes for user friendliness and that is what the vast majority of computers users, as opposed to computer geeks, want and need.

It doesn't matter how good an operating system is, it is useless if you have to spend six months getting to grips with it. Don't forget the vast majority of computers users are administrators, accountants, lawyers and a multitude of other professions that just want results without having to spend time learning about the intricacies of what going on under the hood.

You wouldn't want to do a course on mechanical engineering just to learn to drive a motor car. Computers are no different.

Stuart


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#6
August 5, 2010 at 20:04:40
"Have you ever wondered why Windows is the target of so much malware?"

I agree with Stuart. Why go for 1% when you can have 92%?

"But if you are interested in the media side of computing, then get the best, which of course is an Apple machine."

Maybe 10 years ago. Today Macs and PCs use the same processors and graphics cards, so Apple can no longer claim a hardware advantage. Windows 7 is at least as stable as OS X, and Adobe enables hardware acceleration for their Windows software long before they do for OS X. Windows also takes the cake on the playback side; Apple's $3000 Mac Pro still can't play Blu-Ray movies without booting into Windows. Chop chop!

"I say give Linux at try."

With the exception of 98SE, Windows has worked extremely well for me. Why would I waste time with an OS that I know won't meet my needs?
If Win7 actually had me concerned about security, I'd give Linux a shot. Fortunately, Vista and Win7 have both been damn secure operating systems.

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#7
August 5, 2010 at 21:54:10
Linux & Apple both suck as far as I'm concerned. Stick with the cadillac for ride and comfort instead of an old volkswagon that rides like a lumber wagon.
Notice that more people with Apple PC's are having problems with viruses and don't get too much help in forums...why? Because the majority of people use windows and could care bulletproof...LOL...guess again

Windows will outlive all those minorities...why? Because it is more affordable and easier to maintain.

Open office also sucks...nowhere as good as M$ Office...who are you trying to kid?
Dream on!!!

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#8
August 6, 2010 at 02:30:31
Eh, I feel dumber after reading this thread

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#9
August 6, 2010 at 08:23:27
"But if you are interested in the media side of computing, then get the best, which of course is an Apple machine."

Maybe 10 years ago. Today Macs and PCs use the same processors and graphics cards, so Apple can no longer claim a hardware advantage

Actually, ten years ago, the Amiga computers kicked everybody's butt in the graphics department........including Apple. But you are bang on the money with regard to the fact that Apple is no longer proprietary in any way, shape or form. Even their OS is now based on BSD (UNIX) so it's not proprietary either.

I use not only windows and Linux but I also use UNIX as well. As a computer geek by trade I find it pays to be familiar with all the above. I use each for different things. My UNIX box at home is a firewall/router. I use the Linux boxes as servers. My main desktop computer at home runs XP Pro. Why, because I also like to game. While good in a work environment, both Linux and UNIX suck if you're a gamer because nobody writes games for them (kind of like how the virus writers don't bother because there's just not enough of them out there to make it worth their while).

Gamers make up a very large portion of the more avid computer users (as versus the "average" user who surfs a bit and does email) and none of them run Linux as their desktop for the aforementioned reason. Now if you could get all the game manufacturers to make it so their games would run on Linux, you might....and I stress "might".......convince some gamers to swap over to Linux. But let's face it, you'll never get the EA Sports to write Linux versions. It would take a lot of time and resources and drive up the end cost of the product. So, like the buttheads who write viruses and malware, they target the majority of the market share......ie: Windows (and gaming consoles).

As has been pointed out, average users, and by average I'm referring to the majority of people who have no formal training on computers, can't be bothered with OS's like Linux or UNIX because even with the gui's, they're still a lot harder to work with and have a larger (longer) learning curve.

The average user wants to point and click........and that's why Linux has such a small market share in the home environment........and always will.

Don't get me wrong, I like Linux and UNIX, but the honest-to-gooodness truth is, they're terse, unforgiving and are not made for the faint of heart or the "average" user.

I'm sorry sunmaid but you'll never get the present (or previous) versions of Linux onto the computers of any "average" users and you know why, even if you don't want to admit it.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#10
August 6, 2010 at 09:01:43
Aaaa... I'm not quite sure if this guy's being real, or is posting spam.

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#11
August 6, 2010 at 11:29:39
There was real short sentence in computer mag or online that I read that sums it all up. It essentially said hackers target users, not OSes.

Most users are unsecured, not their OSes.

Educate users and 90% of the problem goes away.

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
- Douglas Adams


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#12
August 6, 2010 at 13:30:45
The upcoming patch Tuesday will yield a record number of patches(34)for Microsoft. Some of them will be for M$ office. Since I run Office 2007 inside Linux I guess I won't get them. Darn.

http://www.infopackets.com/news/bus...

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#13
August 6, 2010 at 15:23:17
I have several different versions of linux that I keep swapping about in a dual boot system here in an attempt to learn a bit about it. Every now and then someone calls and asks me to look at their system and they are running one version or another so I can at least navigate a bit but as far as personal use I see no use for linux at all. Is it more secure? I have seen linux machines with viruses. Why should I have to reboot or even move to another machine because I want to play a game or do some video editing? At the moment though in all honesty the vast majority of the calls I get are from people that tried to make the move from XP any 32 bit to Win 7 64 bit and got lost along the way. The linux calls I get are " Can you get rid of this and put windows back on?". I guess linux is fine if you just want to sit at your computer and tinker and not really accomplish anything.

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#14
August 6, 2010 at 18:10:48
It would seem that Windows is most popular with people who don't know how to use computers. It must be a generational thing. Growing up, I was taught self-reliance. If I was given a tool to use, I was expected to know how to use it, and that always entailed a bit of investigation as to what lay under the hood. At the risk of sounding like the old geezer that I am, I will say that in ancient times, Freedom lay in the opposite direction from Dependency. Point 'n Click and User Friendly are forms of de-skilling, leaving the people who are seduced dependent on others (expensive 'experts' and Indian call centers) to sustain them when the umbilical cord is cut.

We are headed into 'unusually uncertain' times and it might pay to take more than a passing interest in the accident prone machinery which furnishes and sustains our way of life.

Gamers had better stick to Windows, I agree. And the symbolically challenged had better stick to Power Point and pie charts for their understanding of data. Yes, different strokes for different folks. Horses for courses.

Until Blitware's 'Driver Fetch' totalled my Windows machine, I ran a trio of OS's: SuSE Linux, Leopard and XP. XP made it possible to access some very old file formats. Leopard allows me to run some excellent photo cataloging and manipulation software. So each machine and OS has its uses. I thought Windows users might appreciate being alerted to the dangers of Blitware's wares. And I idly thought that they might like to distance themselves from an inherently unsound OS and from a host of people, who, like Blitware's con artists, prey on Windows users.


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#15
August 6, 2010 at 23:10:56
I was brought up knowing how to use the proper tools myself. I just see no reason to use an open end wrench when I when I have an air ratchet and socket set in my tool box.

Also when the crash comes and the power grid goes down using linux will not help anyone in the dark.

Be a little proactive, do some research and software such as what you speek of will not be an issue. It did not kill your machine you did when you loaded it without knowing what it does or can do. Will you be using blitware on your linux boxes? Why not?


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#16
August 6, 2010 at 23:16:16
Now that I have actually taken a moment to find out what this blitware is I can understand why you had problems. I bet you clicked on some ad that claimed it would make your computer faster or some other silly thing like that. I am not all that experienced with computers but even I know better than that.

Why don't you try out finally fast pc or whatever that junk site is? I think there used to be a site called freefix.com that claimed it could fix all you woes give them a shot.


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#17
August 7, 2010 at 01:38:49
Sunmaid

You claim to be a mature experienced professional with knowledge in all aspects of computers. But everything you do and say indicates a callow youth on a wall pissing expedition.

You very first post put you in that category. No one with any experience of computers and the Internet posts their Email address on an open forum, it is just inviting spammers,

Your insistence on blaming Microsoft for your own carelessness is something that can only come from inexperience.

Your dismissal of people who use computers as a tool as a means to and end and not and end in itself indicates someone that has never had a deadline to meet.

When it comes to producing reports, spreadsheets, graphs and other routine stuff I'll stick with Windows. A lot quicker than writing it out by hand and giving it to a typist to typist as was the case before 1982.

Stuart


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#18
August 7, 2010 at 07:56:22
Here's a nice quote directed to sunmaid:
QUOTE:
"It's hard to soar like an Eagle when you are flying with Turkeys"


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#19
August 8, 2010 at 09:27:46
I think I just got called a turkey? And I can't even fly.

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#20
August 8, 2010 at 09:33:58
start with lots of push-ups, get those arms srtong! LOL read response 18, unless you are sunmaid?

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#21
August 8, 2010 at 14:08:14
The fact that this post is headed "Blitware Scams III" makes me feel that the poster should have already been aware of this product or checked it out before installing.

I raised it on this forum and others have since.

Long Range Golfer


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#22
August 8, 2010 at 17:17:52
Yes, it is hard to soar like an Eagle when you are tied to a lead balloon, namely XP.

As a Linux user, I didn't expect land mines. I needed drivers for Windows and 'Driver Fetch' looked like the answer. I shall do 'due diligence' in future. I should mention in passing that a search on 'Blitware,' unless craftily worded, lands you right on the Blitware's own site.

It's not the volume of paper you produce which matters, but the timeliness and value of the intelligence you are providing. Maybe it is a one-page, handwritten memo that is wanted in order to meet your deadlines, and a few trees would be spared.

There is nothing wrong with air tools, and to use them properly, you have to possess even more skill than is the case when using hand tools. Just be careful not to get too far away from an electric socket.

I would happily be a callow youth pissing on walls again.

I have 'issues' with the Windows OS that go back years and years. It is not just the single Blitware episode which has made me a Windows skeptic.

I will check out finally fast pc and freefix. Thanks for the tip.


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#23
August 8, 2010 at 18:16:07
I needed drivers for Windows and 'Driver Fetch' looked like the answer

I have a better answer. Load Google. Type in the manufactures name of driver you are looking for followed by the word driver. By a miracle of the Internet you will end up on the manufactures web site. Enter the model number of the device you have and there you are. It works every time for me.

'Blitware,' unless craftily worded, lands you right on the Blitware's own site

That's Google for you. Type in a vendors name and it takes you right to its web site . What else would you expect?

Stuart


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#24
August 9, 2010 at 08:59:12
I'll give you this much sunmaid, you don't give up easily....

As a Linux user, I didn't expect land mines. I needed drivers for Windows and 'Driver Fetch' looked like the answer. I shall do 'due diligence' in future. I should mention in passing that a search on 'Blitware,' unless craftily worded, lands you right on the Blitware's own site.

Most people who know their way around computers as you claim to (based on your comments about Linux being better than Windows) go to the source for drivers.

When I need a driver for an ATI video card, I go to ATI's website. When I need one for an NVIDIA card, I (you got it) go to NVIDIA's website.

I suspect the reason the rest of us haven't been bit by the Bitware scam is because we go to the OEM's website for our drivers and don't bother with other driver download utilities. To be honest, doing so would never cross my mind.

I have 'issues' with the Windows OS that go back years and years. It is not just the single Blitware episode which has made me a Windows skeptic.

Obviously and that's kind of the point everyone else here is making. You're an "anti Windows" person....for whatever reason. I could care less why you don't like it, but your anti Windows stance is obvious to all of us. Just because you had problems with Windows back when, doesn't make it a bad OS.

There's a lot about Microsoft I don't like. But on the whole, I'm happy with Windows XP. I have no problems with it and I still be using it for quite some time. Vista was as big a joke as ME was, for basically all the same reasons, but Windows 7, from my limited experience with it, tells me it is as good as most of us had hoped it would be.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#25
August 9, 2010 at 11:16:42
I have nothing against Linux, in fact I quite like it.

Just the same, blaming Windows for Blitware and Driver Fetch (etc) seems a tad weird. Sure, Blitware do plenty of redirects but that's called computer awareness. It's nothing new, so if it's a late lesson then it's one well learned. Welcome to the club.

Long Range Golfer


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#26
August 9, 2010 at 22:31:04
I can fully understand not liking microsoft or windows as there are alternatives that don't charge an arm and a leg. To say that something downlaoded from the web with completely no reseach what so ever screwed up your system and that is why windows sucks is just..... just ... well I will be the first to say that I am as uneducated as they come but I didn't just turn this thing on yesterday. I have never been a linux user and never really will be. I am trying to learn about it but I am not running around saying it sucks. Especially saying that it sucks because I don't know how to use it. That's like saying my chevy is to blame because I got drunk and hit a phone pole. Yeah that makes sence.

Have you tried driver detective I hear it sucks too!

Just a clue: A great number of those types of services exist on the web. Most of them want a membership and maybe even some money to tell you the user what drivers you need. If you don't already know what drivers you need you should not be performing operations that require you to install drivers. Maybe in the interest of saving the equipment you should step away from the keyboard.


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#27
August 12, 2010 at 09:40:29
Believe me, I looked everywhere for the drivers I needed before going to Blitware as a last resort. In order to get those (2) drivers, I had to go through the 'Driver Scan' rigmarole which unsurprisingly produced the news that I needed 15 or more drivers. What the hell, I said. I'll chance it and at least get the 2 I need.
Well, I got the 13 I didn't need, but not the 2 I did need, and this after paying a hefty fee.
Toxic software can do damage, but nothing like Blitware's Driver Fetch which totalled my Windows machine.
So, yes, I was at fault for not doing due diligence. At the same time you can understand why I got peeved, when after years of dealing with Window's eccentricities, I got really whacked.

In my initial post I was not out to take on the whole Windows world. I limited my advice (to switch to Linux) to those like myself whose Windows machines had been rendered inoperable. Why not install Linux, I said, instead of loading up with Windows again?


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#28
August 13, 2010 at 07:37:35
Believe me, I looked everywhere for the drivers I needed before going to Blitware as a last resort. In order to get those (2) drivers,

Ok, tell me what you needed drivers for. I wager one of us can find them fairly quick. In order to search properly I'll need to know what the two hardware devices are and I'll need to know Make/Model and OEM.

In my initial post I was not out to take on the whole Windows world. I limited my advice (to switch to Linux) to those like myself whose Windows machines had been rendered inoperable.

This is true but you didn't think it through very much did you. For the average computer user, like my 76 year old father, Linux is not a good option because even though you can install it and have it come up to a GUI, it's still not anywhere near as "point and click" as Windows or even Mac.

The only real good advice would have been to buy a Mac. But you're not a "Mac" person so you didn't recommned Mac's, instead, you recommended Linux.

Those of us who are familiar with, and fluent in the Linux world know that it is still not a good OS for those less in the know about computers and require the easy-to-use point and click OS.

Period, end of story.

Your "advice" was based on YOU screwing up your computer and the anger you felt at Bitware and Windows. I understand your anger at the Bitware people, but I don't get the anger at Windows. Windows didn't make you go to Bitware. Windows didn't screw up your PC, yet you blame Windows too because according to you, it's inferior to Linux because more people attack Windows with viruses and spyware.

Why not install Linux, I said, instead of loading up with Windows again?

As I've already said, "Because for the average user, it's not a valid option because Linux is still not as user friendly as Mac or Windows"

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#29
August 13, 2010 at 09:20:30
this post is going in circles

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#30
August 15, 2010 at 16:18:58
This has got to be my last shot, because, as one poster notes: We are going in circles.

First off, I am 74, and I would say to any 76 year old dad, that Linux is a cinch for the average user who just does a bit of surfing and email. To set up email and browsing is no more difficult than in Windows, and from there on it is just point and click. If dad's interests range a little further, there is 'apt-get install' which for my money is actually easier than a Windows' software install.

I am looking for drivers for a Samsung MPF-750 and an HP Laserjet 4200 and would welcome directions to websites where these can be found.

Again, I want to make the point that my criticism of Windows was not based on one unfortunate episode alone, but on a long history of fighting a balky Windows in order to get it to work. I stand by my statement that Windows (even Windows 7) is not the best choice when choosing an OS.

Just out of interest I checked reviews of the Windows 7 kernel. I thought I would see how real geeks (I am not one of them) reviewed the Windows 7 kernel. Here is a running commentary; measured and objective, it seems to me.

Inside MinWin: the Windows 7 Kernel Slims Down
Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Nov 2009 00:00 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
"Back in 2003, Microsoft assembled a team of engineers to rethink the lowest levels of Windows, so that the OS could be more easily slimmed down and secured to run in servers and embedded applications. That project, called 'MinWin', has now started to bear fruit."

Confession?
by xiaokj on Thu 19th Nov 2009 02:47 UTC

Member since:
2005-06-30

Its too bad that it was not a MS employee who wrote this, but nonetheless, isn't this a blatant confession that Windows sucks for all these years?

And when in eternity are we going to have UTC real time clocks?

As said before, if MinWin is supposed to only have stuff that modern OSes need, why is it so freaking huge? Surely if the rest of the computing landscape does not need so much code just to handle memory, MinWin should not need it too.

Apparently, MinWin is "minimalist" Windows in the sense that a aircraft carrier is a "minimalist" spaceship. Not a very good thought for us truck drivers in Linux land (openBSD would be a tank, cars would represent possibly QNX and those abandoned tryouts or things like freeDOS would be bicycles / motocycles)
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RE: Confession?
by PlatformAgnostic on Thu 19th Nov 2009 06:32 UTC in reply to "Confession?"
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2006-01-02

What makes you think it's a significant challenge to have the RTC in UTC time? It's possible to configure your system that way already under Windows, but it seems hardly a major technical flaw in MinWin, full Windows, or anything else.
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RE: Confession?
by tomcat on Thu 19th Nov 2009 10:05 UTC in reply to "Confession?"
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2006-01-06

Its too bad that it was not a MS employee who wrote this, but nonetheless, isn't this a blatant confession that Windows sucks for all these years? And when in eternity are we going to have UTC real time clocks? As said before, if MinWin is supposed to only have stuff that modern OSes need, why is it so freaking huge?


Is it really asking too much for people to have a basic understanding of OS kernel design before posting such random garbage? Seriously...

Edited 2009-11-19 10:06 UTC
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RE[2]: Confession?
by xiaokj on Thu 19th Nov 2009 15:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Confession?"
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2005-06-30

Is it really asking too much for people to have a basic understanding of OS kernel design before posting such random garbage? Seriously...


As a reply to both tomcat and PlatformAgnostic above,

RTC in UTC is not a resolved matter in Windows. In Vista and newer, setting the registry key to set RTC to UTC will only cause Windows to not update RTC. It used to be the case, pre-win2k, that WinNT could run on ARM. In those days, setting RTC to UTC actually works and the registry key was obeyed (and Windows Time would update RTC). Post-win2k, however, the monstrosity that is Windows actually tramples on the registry setting no matter what you did. And in Vista, all they could do was not update RTC.

I mean, what rubbish is this? Granted, in server situations you do not regularly dual-boot, but if you had a situation where you have 2 server images that are designed to be run alternatively (one image running and serving pages, the other being checked for integrity and maintained) on the same machine, having DST problems is a huge pain. However, if RTC is not updated, then 1) scripts that require timestamps from clients may receive "future timestamps" error (UTC moves forward 1 second every so often) or 2) in the case of a bank, transaction timestamps can go haywire if some clients update and some don't.

Now, tomcat, can you elaborate on what was "a basic understanding of OS kernel design" I am missing here? Admittedly I am bringing up random stuff, but I didn't even say that this is a kernel design fault. This was and is an implementation fault (registry keys not observed), not a design fault. All I could imply was that the kernel design was so huge as to be capable of hiding bugs (in this case a lousy assumption) like this, and it in itself is bad (although not catastrophic).

Secondly, it is true that MinWin is pretty damn huge for what it essentially does (no graphics subsystem, no unrequired rubbish, just plain basic hardware code and memory, IPC, security and little else. Heck, due to it being "hybrid modular-monolithic", there are some other stuff that are not in there too. So why is it about a order of magnitude (in 10s, not 2s) bigger than, say WinCE6 kernel? (CE6 kernel ~350kiB) Is this acceptable given that it is supposed to do so little?

Notice that I am not saying that MinWin is bad. I shall refine it -- I mean to have said that MinWin represents a decidedly good slimming down of Windows. But, it does seem to have a lot more to go. I would have said that Mac OS X 10.1 was a good idea, but it _was_ slow, bloated and so on such that every iteration of OS X could speed it up.

So tomcat, please elaborate on why you think my comment lacked an understanding of basic kernel design.
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Comment by Beket_
by Beket_ on Thu 19th Nov 2009 06:03 UTC

Member since:
2009-07-10

It's tragicomic how Microsoft goes or tends to go slim and f\oss world becomes more and more bloated.

I welcome any improvements of Windows. Because it boosts competition and also because I occasionally am required to interface with them.

And, yes, I'm writing this from my linux powered netbook.
~% uname -a
Linux archlinux 2.6.31-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 23 11:12:58 CEST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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RE: Comment by Beket_
by Yamin on Thu 19th Nov 2009 18:58 UTC in reply to "Comment by Beket_"
Member since:
2006-01-10

Thanks for clearing that up. I would never have believed you actually ran linux on OCT 23

I am running from the top secret Google Android OS.

~% uname -a
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RE[2]: Comment by Beket_
by Beket_ on Thu 19th Nov 2009 23:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Beket_"
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Actually that is the date the kernel was built, not current system time upon uname(1) invocation

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RE[3]: Comment by Beket_
by Yamin on Fri 20th Nov 2009 18:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Beket_"
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Touché
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#31
August 15, 2010 at 16:56:03

And when in eternity are we going to have UTC real time clocks?

We already have. They are called Atomic Clocks and every Internet user has access to them, if they know how.

Whoever wrote that crap regarding UTC doesn't understand what UTC is. Probably the same misunderstanding that Microsoft have regarding GMT when they come up with a meaningless criteria called GMT daylight saving time. But that's a trivial thing, hardly worth getting hot under the collar about is it.

That 1 second you mention is pre-planned and always occurs with six months notice. If you don't know how to implement it and take it into consideration if you should ever need it then then that's your problem.

I live in the GMT zone, which strangely enough, is the same as UTC give or take a fraction of a second and it has never given me a problem.

It's the difference between geophysical time and atomic time and as most of the world runs on geophysical time it works fine.

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#32
August 15, 2010 at 16:58:19
OMG

That's reminded me to say to myself daily:
"It's only a computer".....

EDIT:
Ooops the post I was referring to has now vanished.


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#33
August 16, 2010 at 08:14:00
I am looking for drivers for a Samsung MPF-750 and an HP Laserjet 4200 and would welcome directions to websites where these can be found.

Ok, forgive me but I had to laugh when I saw the above. The HP LaserJet 4200 is and extremely common driver. I did a quick google search of "download HP Laserjet 4200 driver" and clicked on the first link and found the following http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/ProductList.jsp?locale=en_US&taskId=135&prodTypeId=18972&prodSeriesId=84028 on HP's site so they're "official HP drivers"


As for the Samsung drivers, they don't appear anywhere I can find on Samsung's website (oh, and it's MFP-750 not MPF....) so if it were me, I'd use the drivers off the disk that's sure to have come with the device. If that didn't work, I'd contact their support and get them to help me find and download the drivers. If the printer is new and didn't come with drivers on CD in the box, I'd take it back and get my $$$ back and buy a different printer from a company who puts the driver's in with the device.

I don't believe you're 74, sorry but I smell the stuff that drops out of the south end of a north bound bull.

there is 'apt-get install' which for my money is actually easier than a Windows' software install.

You seem to forget, I'm a computer geek by trade and am not only familiar with Linux, but also with UNIX. apt-get is not easier than a windows install.

All the windows software I've installed you simply click on the .exe file and that's all you have to do other than click "next" a couple times and "finish" when it's done. This is not the case with any installer I've tried on Linux/UNIX and I have used "apt-get"

Again, I want to make the point that my criticism of Windows was not based on one unfortunate episode alone, but on a long history of fighting a balky Windows in order to get it to work. I stand by my statement that Windows (even Windows 7) is not the best choice when choosing an OS.

Again, we all have our opinions and are allowed to have them. But this is simply your opinion based on problems you've encountered with windows. The majority of people are of the other opinion.......which is to say, they believe Windows is easier to use than Linux........and I'm talking solely about the group who are reasonably skilled in computing and have tried both OS's.

As for the quoted stuff you posted, it means nothing. I could just as easily go visit an "anti-Linux" forum and web sites and come back with just as much BS, or more, as you posted in your last response only it would be about how crappy Linux is.

The numbers say it all dear........Windows owns the lion's share of the market place.........period, full stop. You can post your opinion and other peoples opinion's about Windows until the cows come home and it won't change the facts and reality (ie: the facts) are, Windows is easier to use and therefore more people (especially those less computer literate) prefer it.

I'm done discussing this with you too. You the kind of person who will stand on their little soap box and keep shouting the same thing over and over at the top of their lungs in the belief that if they say it loud enough, and often enough, it has to be true. Even if they're shown to be dead wrong.

Your recommendation sucks from the "average user" point of view as the "average user" is not equipped to deal with Linux because Linux is inherently harder to work with, less forgiving and less user friendly.

This too is a fact. Learn to live with it.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#34
August 16, 2010 at 08:38:51
... sorry but I smell the stuff that drops out of the south end of a north bound bull.

LMAO! Never heard it put that way before. Certainly beats bovine waste matter.

Stuart


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#35
August 16, 2010 at 09:19:03
Curt R

Please tell me that I don't sound like I'm 74 this September either LOL. I love it when folk call me a young man.


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#36
August 19, 2010 at 12:38:24
Thanks for the links to drivers. I bought the two machines second hand; no driver discs supplied.

>I live in the GMT zone, which strangely enough, is the same >as UTC give or take a fraction of a second and it has never >given me a problem.

Clearly it has given the poster a problem. Please explain why, in a dual boot situation, Window's handling of UTC is NOT a problem. The poster acknowledges that Window's handling of UTC is not a 'catastrophe.' Yet he has this to say: "All I could imply was that the kernel design was so huge as to be capable of hiding bugs (in this case a lousy assumption) like this, and it in itself is bad (although not catastrophic)"

I know my own mind, and even know my own age which is 74. I do not claim to be an expert, only that I have been around computers a long time; long enough to have become well acquainted with both Windows and Linux. Yes, Linux was difficult when one had to operate from the command line. But those days are long gone, and Linux is pretty much Point and Click all the way now. Linux is a cinch and I am confident that any man only two years older than myself is certain to find Linux quite user-friendly even compared to Windows. We may be long in the tooth, but we are not brain dead.

Age brings a certain tolerance and calm. I do not feel the need to be shrill and abusive, as apparently you do. There are various methods or styles of argument that one can adopt. Juveniles appear to favor the Straw Man. Rather than answering directly to your real opponent, one sets up an opponent of one's own making and then pillories him. Take it from me, I am not the man your describe, shouting from a soap box. I believe I am replying to your assertions strongly, perhaps, but not loudly.

You attribute Windows dominance to its user friendliness when it is abundantly clear than Windows dominates by virtue of Microsoft's monopoly of the PC market. CPM was a superior OS to the first MSDOS. Lucky for Bill Gates that IBM chose MSDOS. Or was it luck? The windows motif first made its appearance on Apple machines, and Microsoft's first implementation was a disaster. Windows dominates because it has 'embraced' the ideas of competitors and 'extended' its reach by treacherously snuffing out rivals.

It is not as though buyers have a choice when virtually all PCs are delivered with Windows pre-installed. Purchasing managers will always choose the safe course and buy Windows machines. Did you ever try and order a PC from Dell or Compaq with Linux installed?

In the server market, people do have a choice, and overwhelmingly choose Apache, Php and Mysql, all out of the Unix/Linux stable. Choice exists here only because Microsoft was not, on account of 'copy-left', able to 'embrace' this server software.

When you suggest that 'apt-get install' is difficult, I have to wonder.


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#37
August 19, 2010 at 12:57:30
"Age brings a certain tolerance and calm"

Strangely, your original post did not come across that way to me.

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#38
August 19, 2010 at 13:42:43
Please explain why, in a dual boot situation, Window's handling of UTC is NOT a problem

That is impossible. It is proving a negative no one as yet found a way of doing. It is up to you to explain why it is a problem - in your own words without reference to a third parties ranting.

Take it from me, I am not the man your describe, shouting from a soap box.

Go back to your original post and tell me that wasn't a rant from a soap box. BTW, I'm the wrong side of 60 as well.

Lucky for Bill Gates that IBM chose MSDOS. Or was it luck?

Wasn't luck, just being in the right place at the right time. The story goes the IBM were planing to put CPM onto the first PC but could not contact the CEO of DR to strike a deal, he was away playing golf apparently, so IBM approached Microsoft.

Bear in mind this was in 1983 when most people dismissed desktop computer as little more than expensive toys. Bill Gates had the foresight to see the potential and exploited it before everyone else was out of the starting gates.

I first came across Microsoft in 1979 when I bought a Tandy 1000 that came with Microsoft BASIC. Microsoft at that time where little more than a two man band.

You have to ask yourself, why did a small company like Microsoft manage to survive and prosper while established software companies of that era disappeared into oblivion. How did Microsoft come to dominate the PC market? It didn't just happen by chance.

If you look at all the self made millionaires through history and you will find one thing in common, they all saw a potential that others were slow to recognise and then exploited it. Consequently when the PC market really took of in the early 1990s, Microsoft were well ahead of the game.

Microsoft did make one mistake in the early 1990s when they tried to set up their own international network in competition to the Internet and called it The Microsoft Network, later shortened to just MSN.

They soon realised to folly of that and embraced to the Internet to such an extent that quite few people are under the impression that the Internet was invented by Microsoft.

Stuart


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#39
August 19, 2010 at 14:50:00
Ok I think we get it. You prefer linux. Why bother with windows at all then. With the experience that you have you should be able to get anything to work with it or find an appropriate alternative. We understand that you have had issues with windows in the past. Heck anyone that has owned a computer that runs windows for more than a month or two has. Your original assertion however was that windows was sub par because of blittware. Blittware is not a windows program. It is one of those magic fix programs that the internet is full of. Its advertisers make outlandish claims in the hopes of getting a subscription from the user. Now I am sure that there was some testing done somewhere with this program that showed that in certain circumstances it delivered as stated but most of the world knows these are a waste of both time and money. Generally they do not really harm your system but load tracking cookies and other trojan type things in an effort to sell the user more junk. I've know of these things since 1998 and I am not all that well traveled when it comes to computers. This is where I start to feel like my back is being pushed against the wall. From what you say you are far more experienced than I am but you did not know of these bogus programs out there. Then you as you put it boldly stated that this is why windows is not as good as linux. I am failing to understand how you can make that claim as I am sure that had you tried to do the same thing with a linux system you would have gotten the same result. You just would have seen your error messages worded differently. Then you go on to say that I am juvenile or yelling to pick a fight. I have made no bold unsubstantiated claims though.

Sir I applaud you for your use of linux everywhere else in life you seem to fall awfully short. I keep coming back to both the statement that you have many years of experience and your original statement "It is because of Windows' shortcomings that a whole support industry has grown up around it -- people like Blitware -- to plug the holes in it." Here you BOLDLY show a lack of knowledge and experience. Blitware is not there to support windows or anything else for that matter. It is there to get money out of the pockets of those with NO knowledge of what they are messing with. I expect to see issues like this come from a fourteen year old that got his hands on daddies computer for the weekend and jammed it full of porn. Then ran to something like blitware to fix the issues that caused because that's what it advertised on the same sites the porn came from.

The fact that you think linux is better for whatever reason is not what has myself or anyone pounding our own chest nor is the fact that you have to yell it from every rafter you can climb to. It's the serious conflict in statements. Windows did not install these programs someone that has "years of experience" did. Also I doubt you machine is broken. It is probably just choking on all the crap you have loaded into it.


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#40
August 19, 2010 at 16:16:38
Yawn- Zzzzzzzzzzz

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#41
August 28, 2010 at 16:31:39
You are correct when you say that it is impossible to prove a negative. That is why I asked you how you can say that UTC in a dual boot situation is NOT a problem.

We have a different idea about what a rant is. As I see it, it is not the tone, which may be vigorous, but simply rubbishing something without any substantial back up. I do not consider that my posts have been rants simply because I have grounded my complaints about Windows in specific detail.

It is true that I am prejudiced against Windows, but it is not without reason. I have laid out the reasons. Clearly a lot of people are quite happy with Windows. What I argue with is the claim that the popularity of Windows is due to its superior user-friendliness and the like, when clearly it is the dominant OS because it is preloaded on virtually every PC that is sold. The fact that Microsoft owns a monopoly of the market means that Windows has never been really tested against competing OSs.

Call it irrational prejudice if you will, but I am persuaded that Bill Gates is not some shining example of business success, but instead a cunning opportunist who has subverted the operations of a normal free market. He ensured early on that Windows, whatever its quality, would be rammed down the throats of PC buyers, like it or not. Now he has done the same in China.

If you have been reading the news lately, you will know that in a rush to compromise all that is sacred, he has cut a deal with the murderous and repressive Chinese leadership whereby Windows will be preloaded on every PC sold henceforth in China. Profits before principle. That's our boy, Bill.

They love Bill over there because like Bill, the Chinese leadership practices Bill's policy of 'embrace and extend.' This is the policy that guides the boa constrictor. The Chinese are buying up the resources of Africa and South America, intent on shutting everybody else out. Ironically, they are doing it with their American dollar reserves. Thank you Walmart. Thank you American consumer.

Since Microsoft is a publicly traded company, it is conceivable that the Chinese may elect to buy Microsoft itself. They have more than enough dollars to do so. They have recently shown a preference for hard assets rather than U.S. debt paper. A purchase of Microsoft by the Chinese would be an interesting turnabout, maybe interesting enough to wake up Yawn-zzz.


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#42
August 28, 2010 at 16:42:17
How much are tomatoes your way?

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#43
August 28, 2010 at 17:25:25
If you will read my original post, you will see that I limit my recommendation to switch to Linux to those whose computers have been wiped by Blitware. If these folk have to start again from scratch, I argued: Why not try Linux? (and incidentally avoid the scams which cluster around Windows.) I also took a few gratuitous swipes at Windows, which I now regret. At the same time I did not blame Windows for trashing my Windows machine. Obviously Blitware was to blame.

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#44
August 28, 2010 at 18:51:17
That's nice then.

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#45
August 29, 2010 at 01:38:57
That is why I asked you how you can say that UTC in a dual boot situation is NOT a problem.

I have no need to prove my own knowledge and experience, it is a statement that can either stand or be proven wrong, It cannot be proven right. If I make a statement that something is NOT you have two choices. Either to accept it or prove the contrary.

It happens all the time in a Court of Law when the accused pleads NOT guilty. The prosecution can then accept the plea or attempt to prove the contrary. The accused does no have to prove his innocence as in most cases, it is impossible.

Stuart


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#46
August 29, 2010 at 13:56:31
Zzzzzzz...SNORE SNORE

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#47
August 29, 2010 at 14:01:22
If it bores you don't read it. No ones twisting your arm.

Stuart


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#48
August 29, 2010 at 14:16:47
sorry, this has just been beat to death already;-)

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