A Rip Off

July 3, 2010 at 18:28:02
Specs: Windows XP, Q6600/4.00 GB PC8500
Some people told me that Windows XP is a rip off from Windows 2000, which is also a rip off from Windows NT. What do they mean? I don't see how the interface are alike, they are different operating systems and look very different. How are they ripped off?

Also just to get a bit off track, I wanted to write a song, but use the same melody as another song, so I did that and people told me that I stole/ripped off the other song, which was not my intention since I wanted my song to be based off the original.

Does anyone have any comments about this 'rip off' definition?


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July 3, 2010 at 19:05:50
Stop listening to "some people" and do your own research.

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July 4, 2010 at 00:00:27
Rip off is often a seriously misused "term"... ; meant to be somewhat abusive?

Often meant to mean that a given item is or product has been plaguriesd (or "copied" or based in part or whole) from or on an original...; i.e. ripped off...?

And then some will mean it's something over-rated, over-priced etc?

Re' NT: Each generation of the NT family (which started with with NT3x) developed or evolved from the former. NT4 developed from 3x and the W2K from that and so on... Some might say that each was a "rip off" of the previous... Others willl say each was "a development" of (or based on) the previous...

Since M$ owned the original NT3x one can scarecly suggest they ripped off themeselves; or the end users either - as each generation has been a growth from/based on the previous?

In terms of music... if you compose a tune, a piece of music - it's yours (providing you copyright it). If you base another one on it - no issue... But if you base a tune or a song on a tune writ by another... then you are likely guility of plagurising - and in effect riping off the copyright holder of the original... And that doth happen sometimes by accident; and sometime deliberately...

There are situations where one can reach an agreement with the original writer/composer of a piece of music and be allowed (legally) to incorporate and use it in a piece of your own work... But if you don't get that agreement first.. then you are likely to be accused of rip-off (plagurising..).

Certain musical theaters items are often very similar to classical works; but not being a direct copy... they escape the plagurising charge/attack; but still get accussed of being a rip-off of another classical or similar piece...

Best path - either contact the original writer...; or write your own tune - but don't make it too close/similar to anothers...?

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July 5, 2010 at 21:19:04
Agree with both Skip & trvlr. "XP evolved from Win2K which evolved from WinNT4" would be a more accurate nomer...

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July 7, 2010 at 05:09:23
Agree with both Skip & trvlr. "XP evolved from Win2K which evolved from WinNT4" would be a more accurate nomer...


Saying "ripped" off to me implies the person saying it is either:
a) a clueless idiot talking about things of which they know nothing


b) they just don't like microsoft for whatever reason and couched it in negative terms because of their dislike.

No matter, "evolved" is the correct term.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***

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July 7, 2010 at 07:42:42
It's not a "rip off", it's just different versions of "NT". Like NT 3.51, than NT 4.0, than MS stopped using the version number scheme and started using odd things like, "windows 2000", "XP", "Vista", and "Windows 7"(win 7 was SUPPOSED to be made from MinWin, but M$ being the special people they are just re-did vista for the most part")

I think 2000 was 5.0, XP was 5.1, Vista was 6.0, etc. someone can correct me on the version numbers if I'm off, too tired to look it up.

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July 7, 2010 at 20:23:57
"I tried real hard to make this song not sound like some other song I've written before.

If I did it's because it's my style and style is based on limitations.

I tried real hard not to make this song sound like some other song some other singer-songwriter might have written before.

And if I did, that's 'cause it's music, and music is based on repetition."

"Trying to Do Something to Get Your Attention"
John Hartford, 1976

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July 7, 2010 at 21:33:24
Seem to recall once being told that the limited number of notes in the musical scale could mean that, inevitably, there could/would (will...?) be some repetition of sequences; some duplication of compositions, themes etc.. that have gone before...

The classic one that comes to mind is "My Sweet Lord" (George Harrision) and "He's So Fine" (by - can't recall...); I think Harrison (although claiming the apparent similarity - or whatever - was unintentional etc...) lost out in a court case?

And there have been or two others more recently too I seem to recall...

Years ago (in the early 60's) a friend (who worked at BBC in radio) wrote some pop tunes; demo'd them to a band (who were regulars on BBC radio). Next thing we heard was "his" music being played by them - but with one note difference... They had taken "his" music, altered it slightly and claimed it for their own... And there nowt he could do about it... The unwritten rule (at least then apparentnly) being you had to "give away" a few tunes first and then you were accepted; and thus able to publish and claim as your own...

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July 31, 2010 at 02:50:37
Hey guys thanks for the responses and sorry for the long reply. Yes I am a singer/songwriter myself but I did copy a tune by ear and I didn't know that what I have done was plagarism, since I thought that many people made covers, I thought that I could be unique by basing my version from the old version, but hopefully I can get permission from the original artist. I am always original in my work, but I just felt that I wanted to do something unique, but never knew that i committed plagairism.

This is my demo song (I am singing, I wrote the lyrics and produced the song all by myself):


The song I copied is Wow I can get sexual too by Say Anything.

My plan was once I start working on an album, I am going to add this song on there, but also give credit to the original artist, that is Say Anything. Can I do that or am I not allowed to sell it?

Anyways, sorry for talking about my music here, but I am also a computer technican as well. I understand that Windows XP is based on older versions of Windows on the NT side, and its all written by microsoft. So, if I make my own operating system and base it off an MS kernel, then that would be like what I did with the song I recently made.

Thanks for your answers!


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