VPN or 2ND ROUTER

Netgear / Dg834g
August 22, 2010 at 10:39:13
Specs: Macintosh AND WINDOWS XP AND VISTA
I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST OR EASIEST WAY TO CONFIGURE A SECOND SECURE NETWORK FOR MY HOME NETWORK WITH INTERNET ACCESS.....
I AM PRESENTLY USING NETGEAR DG834Gv3.... I already have a wireless network setup at home with 6 machines successfully controlled, ranging from Macbook pro, windows operated laptops and windows desktops and PS3. My problem is that my young children have now got Nintendo DS's, PSP's and now my young daughter has got a ipod touch..... Although my system is already running OK I now wish to set restrictions to certain computers and wifi enabled devices that can access internet through their computers and gaming consoles... My issues with all this is that they have got too much access to unlimited internet and I am simply sick and tired of telling them to get off their gaming consoles and confiscating them for periods of a week or two..... Although I hate the fact that almost everything the kids are interested in have a screen of some sort it is not the TV computers or the gaming consoles that I am so bothered about.... It is THE INTERNET that I have the issues with due to not being able to limit what access that they have to ALL CONTENT and TALKING TO COMPLETE STRANGERS through things like BEBO or FACEBOOK.........

Although I have found out one way of limiting their access through my present NETGEAR DG834G router, by doing so it also limits me and my wife , so therefore causing another headache......

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,,,,can anybody help me figure out the best and easiest cost effective solution to limiting my childrens internet settings to what they can see online, who they chat to and limit the amount of time their consoles or computers can be online on a daily basis without me having to go around the house giving out and moaning that they are still online or answering emails at times like 2 or 3 in the morning..... I simply just want to be able to sit down relax or go to bed without worrying where their consoles are or wether they are going to get back out of bed and back onto their computers after i have checked on them before i go to bed.......
So Please,,,, any good sound advise will be much appreciated.......


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#1
August 22, 2010 at 15:19:03
If you want to relax, it's better if you teach your children how to be street wise instead of trying to limit their access. They will surely find a way to beat your restrictions unless you want to buy a Sonicwall router for about a $1,000.00

All they have to do is boot with a live CD & all your group policies will be worthless.

How do you know when a politician is lying? His mouth is moving.


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#2
August 22, 2010 at 19:27:52
FAIR STATEMENT TO SOME DEGREE,,, BUT WHEN THE REALITY OF GROGGY HEADED KIDS NOT HAVING ENERGY TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNINGS AND THEN SCHOOLWORK STARTS TO SUFFER, IT THEN BECOMES QUITE A PAIN IN THE YOU KNOW WOT!!! TEACHING CHILDREN TO BE STREETWISE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE ... KIDS BEING KIDS WILL ALWAYS TRY TO PUSH THEIR LIMITS AND GET AWAY WITH MORE THAN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO, THIS BECOMES A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE WHEN THERE IS SO MANY SITES ONLINE FULL OF ADULT AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER SITES THAT HAVE PHOTOS SIMPLY JUST NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUNG CHILDREN,,,PERIOD... THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION ON PARENTING M8...IF I EVER FIND MYSELF NOT BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH MY KIDS ON PARENTING ISSUES APART FROM COMPUTERS , I WILL BE SURE TO CONSIDER YOUR ADVICE..... ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH I DO TOTALLY AGREE WITH PART OF WHAT YOU SAID WITH REGARDS TO " KIDS WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY",,, YOU ARE DEFINITELY BANG ON M8,,, KIDS TODAY ARE VERY CLEVER WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN ISSUES.... I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH REGARDS TO CHILDREN GETTING SMARTER, BUT THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT.... CHILDREN SHOULD REMAIN CHILDREN WITH THE INNOCENCE OF INNOCENT CHILDREN,,THEY SHOULD BELIEVE IN THE TOOTH FAIRY AND SANTA CLAUS, AND BELIEVE IN MAGIC, THIS IS WHAT MAKES PARENTING ENJOYABLE TO SOME DEGREE ... AS PARENTS WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO FACE THE REALITY OF CHILDREN STARTING TO GET TO GRIPS WITH REALITY AND THEN BEFORE LONG THE MAGIC IS GONE.... I HAVE 2 TEENAGE KIDS AND 2 UNDER 10 YEARS OLD,,, THE PROBLEM IS SO OFTEN THAT THE OLDER KIDS ARE NOT ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH AND TEND TO LEAVE THE COMPUTERS UNATTENDED WHILST STILL LOGGED ON...THIS IS WHERE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS.... ESPECIALLY WHEN SO MANY PAGES ONLINE HAVE SO MUCH UNSUITABLE CONTENT "MOST DEFINITELY NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUNG KIDS". OR EVEN FOR MY OLDER KIDS EITHER..... SO THERE YOU HAVE IT,,,, IT IS NOT JUST THE CONTENT WITHIN PAGES , IT IS ALSO WHEN I FIND THAT THEY CANNOT LEAVE THE COMPUTER WITHOUT BEING TOLD TO AND THEN THEIR EDUCATION SUFFERS BECAUSE THEY ARE STAYING AWAKE WAY TOO LATE ... ON TOO MANY OCCASIONS I HAVE FOUND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN STILL AWAKE UNTILL PERHAPS A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP... I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT YOUNG CHILDREN FULLY NEED A PROPER FULL NIGHT OF SLEEP ,,,,EVERY NIGHT...... A TIRED BRAIN STRUGGLES TO LEARN AND/OR EVEN STAY AWAKE IN CLASS.... I KNOW THAT I AM NOT ALONE AS A PARENT WHEN IT COMES TO WANTING THE BEST FOR OUR KIDS.... AND I HAVE TO SAY M8, IF IT HAS TO BE THAT THE ONLY WAY TO RESTRICT ( APART FROM REMOVING ALL ELECTRONIC ITEMS FROM THEM, WHICH I DO NOT WISH TO DO, DUE TO THE FACT THAT I REALLY AM HAPPY FOR THEM TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT I CAN AFFORD TO GIVE THEM), IF IT HAS TO BE THAT I HAVE TO SPEND $1000 ON THE SONICWALL ROUTER THEN THAT IS A REASONABLE PRICE TO PAY IF IT WORKS IN PREVENTING THE KIDS FROM CHATTING TO JUST ABOUT ANYBODY INTO THE EARLY HOURS... EVEN THOUGH THE GAMES THEMSELVES COULD JUST AS EASILY KEEP THEM AWAKE ALL NIGHT LONG EVEN WITHOUT INTERNET ACCESS, WELL THAT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE COMPLETELY.. KIDS BEING KIDS IS EASY TO DEAL WITH , ...GOD KNOWS WE WERE ALL KIDS ONCE, BUT IN TODAYS AGE THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT MORE DISTRACTIONS AND THE INTERNET ADDED MAKES IT A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD ,,, IF I KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE KIDS HAD NO INTERNET ACCESS AT TIMES WHEN THEY SHOULD BE SLEEPING OR AT TIMES OUTSIDE OF THEIR DAILY INTERNET ALLOWANCE,,, THEN THAT IS ME AND MILLIONS MORE LIKE ME BEING ABLE TO FEEL THAT AT LEAST THE CHILDREN ARE THAT MUCH MORE LIKELY TO PLAY WITH OTHER TOYS AND EACH OTHER DURING THE DAY AND ALSO HOPEFULLY GET MORE SLEEP AT NIGHT......... EITHER WAY M8,,, IF MY KIDS EVER DO GET AROUND RESTRICTIONS THERE IS ALWAYS THE SIMPLE SOLUTION THAT WILL ALWAYS WORK SUCH AS REMOVING THE PROBLEM ITEMS COMPLETELY,,, THAT IS THE EASY ANSWER IF THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO DO, BUT I HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING THAT,,, AS MUCH AS YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THE CHILDREN WILL ALWAYS TRY AND BEAT ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT PARENTS CREATE , THEY ARE STILL CHILDREN AND HAVE MORE LIMITATIONS ON THEM THAN I HAVE AS A PARENT,, ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT ACCESS TO MONEY AND WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR MONEY CREATES LIMITATIONS ON ITS OWN... SO THEREFORE, I DO NOT BUY THAT POINT THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY ,,,, THEY MAY TRY ALRIGHT,,, BUT I DO NOT ACCEPT THAT MY KIDS WILL BE ALWAYS ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO DEFEAT ME , AND DO NOT ACCEPT THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE LIKE YOUR GOOD SELF CHOOSES TO STATE THAT TEACHING THEM TO BE STREET WISE WILL ELIMINATE MY CONCERNS.... MAINLY DUE TO A VERY SIMPLE FACT THAT STREET WISE PEOPLE BECOME THAT WAY DUE TO A FAIRLY LONG PROCESS AND MANY OTHER FACTORS OVER A CONSIDERABLY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.... IN ANY CASE I WOULD RATHER TEACH MY KIDS TO APPRECIATE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO GET A GOOD EDUCATION AND WHEN OLD ENOUGH TEACH THEM TO CONCENTRATE ON THEIR CAREERS AND SET GOALS FOR THEMSELVES,,, AS THE WORD STREETWISE CAN BE USED IN MANY CONTEXTS, BUT AS MUCH AS I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD BE STREETWISE, THEY SHOULD ALSO LIVE HAPPY LIVES.... I JUST LIKE BILLIONS OF OTHERS HAVE GROWN UP WITHOUT THE NEEDFOR INTERNET ACCESS, SO IF PREVENTING THE CHILDREN FROM BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE INTERNET AT CERTAIN TIMES PREVENTS ME FROM HAVING TO GET CROSS WITH THEM WHEN THEY OVERSTEP THEIR BOUNDARIES, THEN I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE LESS CHANCE THAT THEY WILL GET UPSET DUE TO ME GETTING CROSS WITH THEM..... PREVENTION IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN CURE...HEY THANKS ANYWAY M8 :-) SORRY FOR DRONING ON IN REPLY TO YOUR RESPONSE,,, BUT I WILL CHECK OUT SONICWALL ROUTER ANYWAY..... IF ANYBODY ELSE CAN SUGGEST A CHEAPER MORE AFFORDABLE OR FREE ALTERNATIVE TO THE SUGGESTION OF SONICWALL , I WILL BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER IT AND MAKE SOME ENQUIRIES TO ANY SUGGESTIONS,,, ONCE AGAIN SORRY FOR THE LONGWINDED RESPONSE , BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO, DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES

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#3
August 23, 2010 at 05:50:56
IF ANYBODY ELSE CAN SUGGEST A CHEAPER MORE AFFORDABLE OR FREE ALTERNATIVE TO THE SUGGESTION OF SONICWALL , I WILL BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER IT AND MAKE SOME ENQUIRIES TO ANY SUGGESTIONS,,, ONCE AGAIN SORRY FOR THE LONGWINDED RESPONSE , BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO, DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES

First of all, typing in all capitals is considered "yelling" on the internet. Other than 'netiquette' it's also bloody hard to read. So hit your caps lock and try typing like you know how.

Mister, all I can say is, you are supposed to the the adult/parent Isn't it about time you started acting like one?

Who's in charge in your house, you, or your children? If your kids rule the roost I suggest you give up right now and just keep giving them everything they want until they've sucked all the money, and life, out of you.

If however, you're actually a parent, then keep in mind, since you provide it all, you have every right to take anything away you want.

All you're responsible for with kids is food, shelter, clothing, an education (I mean aside from hopefully teaching them morals, ethics etc). There's no rule that says you have to provide them with electronics and/or internet access.

If it were me, I'd kill the wireless LAN permanently. I'd put one computer in the living room or TV room where what they do on the internet is easily monitored, and I'd give them each one hour a day on the internet.

The rule in my house was, you get 1 hour of electronics per day, after the homework and chores are completed. My son managed to make it to age 17 when he left home living with those rules and the computer in the TV room where I could, and regularly did, monitor his activities. On some weekends, if he was good, I gave him extra time on the electronics of his choice.

This forced my son to read, to take an interest in playing outside, to make friends and go play with them. About 2 years after he moved out he thanked me for being "so tough" on him about electronics.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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#4
August 23, 2010 at 06:48:22
Curt's right. The caps lock has to go. Even your children know that.

The problem is your approach is adversarial. You have to blend with the situation, not attack it.

Take the entire family & enroll in a Kung Fu school. That way, everyone will learn balance. After all, that's really what you want.

How do you know when a politician is lying? His mouth is moving.


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#5
August 23, 2010 at 14:09:14
I controlled everything thru my router. I blocked xxx sites and a few others. Scared the begerbers out of them to get the routers Site Blocked message which I followed up with since it would send me an email at work everytime it happened.

I had backup configs that I could instantly restore that would block their access during certain hours. They never got internet between 10pm and 3pm. They were either to be asleep or at school during these times.

Got bad grades? Too bad no internet for a month. Seemed to work since they got b averages


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#6
August 23, 2010 at 17:00:52
Thank God, I didn't have a family.

How do you know when a politician is lying? His mouth is moving.


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